A DIY Cowboy Belt for 16 Inchers

[@dennisochocki1675]

For those new to this channel, you must understand that there are Metric Units, English Units, & Szymanski Units. In Szymanski units, 6 feet is a curator, and 50 grains of weight is "pretty chunky."

[@jonzenrael]

I have no real interest in WW2 ships, but i've been watching our 6 foot curator here for months now - years even! He's just one of those types that you can listen to for hours. He enjoys what he does, and you can hear that in his voice. I rate him 5 out of 5 Szymanski's - which is a unit of measure of curator quality.

[@werewolfsaves2179]

I do enjoy Ryan's measurement system.

[@spvillano]

Well, a 5.56 mm NATO standard bullet weighs in at 55 grains. An M1911A1's .45 ACP NATO round was 230 grains of bullet mass. Morphine administered in our older wars came in standard syrette loaded with a quarter grain of morphine. A vial of morphine came in a standard shit ton.

[@beefchicken]

Option 17: the official belts were annoying to use or uncomfortable, so people made their own.

[@mpetersen6]

The gunslinger in the gun pit developed a decided list once he reholstered the 16"-50 rifle.

[@keithmoore5306]

the belts that 155mm guns have are leather it may be the leather ones didn't hold up good around saltwater!

[@travisruble6873]

We made them out of 3" cotton webbing tape (ducktape) in the army. There is an issued one, but they would rip, and supply would never order new ones.

[@hoilst265]

The British Army joke is that Stores don't issue anything because "We're called 'Stores' not 'Issues', innit?"

[@poowg2657]

The belt looks like it was made from fire hose. Had no idea about any of this. Excellent video, thanks much!

[@robertbamford8266]

Fascinating. Sailors innovate when the opportunity arises. “The sail locker” and the “sailmaker” (and the carpentry shop). On a battleship. Stories in their own right.

[@bizjetfixr8352]

Same here. I'd like to hear the stories from those guys. I would assume that the carpenters shop would be part of damage control. What kind and how much shoring was carried on board? Assuming they also worked on the ships boats. And what kind of "special" projects did they work on? Do any of the BBs have an "oral history" program going? If not, there should be.

[@bizjetfixr8352]

It would also be interesting to hear from the repair guys who fixed the wood flight decks on aircraft carriers. Especially bomb damage repairs. I've seen photos of repairs in progress, but nothing showing completed repairs. Wood shoring under the deck? Scab patches to cover the hole in the flight deck? Or did they replace individual timbers? Next question.......they had to have a manual for this. Any source for the manual online?

[@robertbamford8266]

@@bizjetfixr8352 You’re right about ship’s boats. As an OCUI2 one of the instructors was a Warrant Officer Carpenter. His collar insignia (working blues) was a try square. Looked very much like the single chevron of a PO3. The WO was very sensitive about proper saluting and there was one last minute salute when I realized who was approaching. Just managed to save myself.

[@SealofPerfection]

Neat thing at roughly 6:10 Broadside is fired. It shakes the anchor chains. Impressive.

[@robertlian2009]

Never saw a belt like that in my time on board (1981-1984). Great idea though.

[@recoilrob324]

Reminds me of the Mills Belt holding 45-70's which are dimensionally close to the primer you have with thick rim. For sure it would be easier to have a belt on you than having to go to a box for every shot. Ammo belts are very cool!

[@russellflemister393]

that's what i thought i reload 45-70 it looks just like one of the cases but i'm sure the primer here has a much thicker case

[@geometro9512]

@@russellflemister393might not. He said it’s an army creation and the 45-70 was an army round. I bet it’s just a blank 45-70 case.

[@thurin84]

i shouldve read this comment before i posted lol.

[@snappers_antique_firearms]

I was about to write the same thing. Looks very much like a 45-70 belt for a trapdoor Springfield

[@rippertrain]

I was thinking who shoots competition and only has a 16 inch waist?

[@scrapperstacker8629]

Maybe you should organize a veteran sailors only tour through the “found artifacts “ area and get a first hand opinion of them.

[@ryder6070]

This is a good idea, I would donate to make this happen. A win win situation

[@mpetersen6]

Judging by the sectioned drawing from the Army manual I'm thinking the primers were machined from solid brass rod vs the drawn brass cases used for rifle and pistol ammunition. Plus it looks like the primer case is made from two pieces. Yes, the front sleeve (metal seal) screws into the primary case via a tapered thread (1/8th or 1/4 NPT?). A third piece carrys the actual primer and ignition wire with the firing plunger carried in the bottom of the main case. I sure hope the man stationed in the gun pit got out of the way when the gun fired and the breech/barrel assembly recoiled into the space.

[@steelrain4362]

That primer looks like the primers we used on the m777 Howitzer.

[@motomuto3313]

They are. My dad was artillery in the 70's and 80's. We had a chess set made from spent primers.

[@sambrown6426]

@@motomuto3313 Do you have a picture of that that I can see?

[@gobblox38]

Same for the M109A6.

[@keithmoore5306]

that primer probably hasn't changed much since it was adopted and most likely goes back to at least the korean war or farther!!

[@1648Christopher]

16 Inch Gun Training Film 1MightyMot has a video on youtube about "16 Inch Gun Training Film" that shows this belt being worn on active duty.

[@alexandrefilion4480]

Yes! Near the end of the video!

[@robertgrubb4021]

7.23

[@kevinh6622]

That would be "1MightyMo"

[@matthewerwin4677]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoDQgISpZd-cibcsi=Aov5CqEksxSxtPy7&t=435

[@PBGetson]

Yes, the gun belt is visible on that video from 7.20 - 7.23, showing the man in the lower left wearing it. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZoDQgISpZd-cibc

[@AlexDMC]

Ryan you are doing an incredible job

[@waynemayo1661]

These "Look what we found!" videos are great. Doubtless there are many more such items scattered about waiting to be discovered.

[@werewolfsaves2179]

To the crew at Battleship New jersey. Thank you so much for making this channel. I have learned so much and have to admit i have fallen in love with Battleship New Jersey.

[@JustSomeCanuck]

"Except for the Des Moines guys. You guys are just weird." Des Moines guys: "Ever heard of this thing called rate of fire?"

[@vbscript2]

I love the title of this video. It just makes me imagine some guy with a 2,700 pound, 16-inch diameter armor-piercing shell attached to his belt. :) Seeing the actual belt, I can imagine someone seeing it and asking if it's for .30 ammo and then hearing the response, "No, it's for 16.00."

[@bluerebel01]

What an interesting fact about the 16/50 Mark 7. Thanks for sharing Ryan.

[@partizanforces3064]

I actually got to handle one of these. When on the USS North Carolina they had found it in the bilge or something of that nature. They said it was as if it had been dropped from the gun turret down into the void.

[@tammywehner3269]

we had two pouches that were for the primerman. new and used. used were a lined/double pouch for the heat dissipation needed. new was just an (old -style )m-60 (linked) pouch.

[@loosegoose41]

@6:11 when the guns fire and those anchor chains start shaking - wow.

[@jeffyoung6967]

In the 80,s they came in a 10 round box for 8 inch army howitzer. The ones in my collection interesting enough were made in Germany by RWS.

[@jeffyoung6967]

And are aluminum cased

[@kingwilson2478]

You should do a collab with World of Warships to help fundraise for the drydocking! I’d love to have a New Jersey premium, or maybe a Ryan Szimanski curator captain too?

[@roquri]

An actual New Jersey, not some weeb ARP Camo.

[@TSempired]

Absolutely need Ryan Szimanski as a captain!

[@christianvalentin5344]

@@TSempiredI was thinking the same thing! If WG ever offered the New Jersey as an actual ship, they HAVE to have Ryan as Captain.

[@TSempired]

@@christianvalentin5344 > offered the New Jersey as an actual ship "in it's museum configuration" 😄😄😄😄

[@gobblox38]

From what i can find online, this specific primer is a MK-15. You can find details of the Mod 1 version in TM 9-1904 dated 1944. I don't think it is based on any particular rifle cartridge. In the army, we used a M82 primer for our 155mm guns for the M109A6. It seems to be very similar to the MK-15 minus the electric ignition option. We would have to hook up a lanyard to fire the gun. A few people more brave than me would just finger pop the firing mechanism. Granted, that's only for low charges. You'd probably lose your hand if you tried that with max charge.

[@tammywehner3269]

mk-15 or mk-14!??? combination lock primer??

[@hoilst265]

Yeah, I found a cutaway of it, and it's quite a bit more complex than a rifle cartridge case - the sleeve that's blown out into petals on the front of that case is actually screwed into the case via internal thread that are about halfway back. That cap on the back isn't the actual percussion cap with the priming compound - it's a plunger that transfers the hammer strike to internal cap that's behind the thread. The electric fuse wire (nichrome?) is between the cap and the thread. So really, it's like a cartridge *within* a cartridge.

[@crazyguy32100]

I imagine being the guy on the lanyard when firing manually would be quite the experience. Pull the cord and watch a breech the size of a minivan come flying 4' towards you.

[@stradplayer90]

If I was the primer man I would have kept it when I left. I have a lot of airborne gear from my time in the army.

[@keithmoore5306]

some probably were took home! not exactly a serialized item like a rifle!!

[@seanseoltoir]

A lot of things kind of "followed us home" after our time was up...

[@steelwheelsminnesota]

Interesting video Ryan, though I feel compelled to point out a fact about the cartridge cases. The .30 cal cartridge fires around 55 grains of smokeless rifle powder generating roughly 52kpsi. The naval gun generates roughly 36kpsi, quite a bit less. However, they achieve similar velocities of 2700fps, but the rifle does so from a 22" barrel. The rifle cartridge can be thinner because it spends less time in the firing sequence and therefor absorbs less heat. Also, blackpowder is an explosive where as smokeless powder is not so the primer case my experience momentary pressures much higher than the average working pressure.

[@wyattroncin941]

Black powder definitely is not explosive. Smokeless absolutely is. This design of primer is from at least 1899, before metallurgy and material properties (especially under high pressure) were terribly well understood. It wasn't uncommon at all for brass cartridges to separate at the breach, allowing gas to blow out the back. That's unpleasant to experience with a rifle shooting a few grains of powder. That would be catastrophic to occur with a 12", 14" or 16" gun, with a few hundred pounds of powder behind it. That's why it's so thick, because the difference in priority between keeping weight down on a small arm vs keeping safety high on a bag gun.

[@keithmoore5306]

55 grains? 308 precision rounds run 21 grains! that's probably a modified 30-40 krag casing!

[@steelwheelsminnesota]

@wyattroncin941 you are completely upside down. Black powder is most certainly an explosive. Smokeless is a deflagrant, which is why it is capable of velocities over 4000 fps while blackpowder struggles to break 2000. Why? Because smokeless burns it can maintain a pressure curve over time, where black powder generates an immediate pressure peak. Also, the .30 cal cartridge was first adopted in 1903 for the 1903 Springfield rifle. The rifle and cartridge were very near clones of the Mauser rifle and cartridge that were adopted in Germany circa 1898. Both cartridges operated at the same pressures then as they do now. The metallurgy was understood well enough.

[@steelwheelsminnesota]

@keithmoore5306 are you talking about .308 Winchester rounds? I'm talking about .30-06 which was the .30 cal cartridge of the WWII Era. Even if you are talking .308 Winchester your numbers are off. That cartridge typically runs 40-45 grains depending on powder and bullet weight.

[@keithmoore5306]

@@steelwheelsminnesotayeah i'm talking 308 and i'm using a marine corps precision rifle team load i picked up and have been running for a while a 147 over 21 grains of IMR (i'm blanking on the powder number right now!) but 7.62x51mm vs 7.62x63mm volume wise they're shouldn't be that much difference (maybe 11 to 12 grains between 308 and 30-06!) unless the IMR has more horsepower because it chrony's close to winchester factory 308!

[@lencac7952]

That is a 30.06 casing you are wondering about. Depending on the type of powder the 30.06 requires approx. 53 to 58 grains of powder , FYI.

[@salty-9]

I like his 75 grain bubba load idea tho 😂

[@lencac7952]

@@salty-9 That would prove to be a little "salty"

[@keithmoore5306]

i don;lt see how they get 53 let alone 58 grains in a 30-06 a 308 precision load only takes 21 grains!!

[@cjc_0167]

Depending on bullet weight my Garand likes 41-44 grains.

[@lencac7952]

@@keithmoore5306 Hi Keith: Well 53 to 58 gr. is standard fare for the 30.06 as is approx. 39 to 44 gr. for 308. You can verify that by looking into any reloading manual. I reload and shoot 308 and 30.06 regularly. And have done so for many years.

[@CAPNMAC82]

Similar belts are all over eBay, with various descriptions--like "flare belt" or "line-throwing cartridge belt" or the like.

[@jusportel]

I know the Royal Navy issued similar bandoliers for their primers.

[@jeffreyyoung4104]

Hey Ryan! You are spot on when you say the primer was used to hold back a very high pressure. The primer shell diagram shows a very stout base and 'primer' pocket, with a very long firing plunger in place of the primer, which is way inside the base of the primer shell. And I suspect the firing plunger carries the electric current to the primer mixture surrounding the wire element. Not your typical rifle or shotgun shell.

[@chesthairascot3743]

From this point forward, said artifact shall be known as THE BADASSOLEER, and shall only be represented in text using uppercase letters.

[@Xander_Zimmermann]

Looks like another example of Grunts and Crafts.

[@andreperrault5393]

The creativity of the ships crew. If the primer man was the sail-maker, no problem. If not, primer man owed the sail maker. The other services equivalent was the parachute shop

[@ninus17]

Another thing that suggests that it’s is hand made is that the stitches are crooked and the loops for the cartridges don’t all have the same distance from the middle to the edges along the entire length. If it was factory made the stitches would have been straighter and the loops would most likely be centered down the middle of the belt the entire way

[@bizjetfixr8352]

Like you said.. really cool artifact. So that's how they did it. All of the videos never show the guy swapping out the primer, or where it went.. If they were made on the ship,, as appears likely, were they made to fit the guy installing the primers? If so, did they get to keep them? To me, it's would be too cool of a souvenir not to keep. I'm betting there are some more of them around. Would also be interesting to know if there was a "Navy Issue" primer belt, and how it differed from the custom fabricated ones. Ditto the spent primers. You need to do a thorough search for more of them, and sell then for big $$ in the gift shop. Finally....... did all of the USNs 12-14-16 inch guns use the same primers?

[@ThatGeezer]

If I was a gun-primer guy, I'd have two of them, worn as bandoliers, Pancho Villa-style...

[@edwardscott3262]

I wonder if he has calipers on the ship and could measure the primer cartridge for the viewers who are interested in comparing it to 45-70 Government cases.

[@Jiberwocky]

The specs might be out there, most ordinance components are. I'd check the cartridge collectors forum!

[@high633]

I'd be willing to bet its either similar in nature to 45-70 or 30-40. Given the shown size comparison I'm more on the boat of 30-40.

[@teeroux]

30-40 for sure

[@keithmoore5306]

it looks more like the 30-40 krag than a 45-70!

[@johnlowe37]

Ordnance Pamphlet 1164 Volume 1 Dated 28 May 1947 gives a body diameter of .492" for the Mk 15 Mod 1 primer. Larger than the base diameter for a .30-40 (.457") or a .30-06 (.473') but smaller than the base diameter of a .45-70 (.505"). But agreed, it'd be nice to have some measurements. There's got to be a set of calipers on the ship somewhere.

[@richardmillhousenixon]

As @bascomnextion5639 pointed out, the reason it doesn't have a proper buckle is because of the concern over metal to metal contact, especially in the gun pit. So there may have been a similar standard issue item, but it's been repaired or otherwise rebuilt over time, and they just built them with the lace "buckle" in the first place

[@Mopartoolman]

The primer looks like it is based on the .45-70 case, not a .30 cal. case.

[@DABrock-author]

That’s exactly what I was thinking.

[@Mopartoolman]

I don’t think the case started life as an actual .45-70 case, especially after seeing the cross-section, but the external dimensions look very similar.

[@keithmoore5306]

no it's modified 30-40 krag casing going by the comparison with the 30-06!

[@Mopartoolman]

I have to respectfully disagree. I measured the computer screen with digital calipers, and after doing some conversion calculations, the primer is exactly the size of a .45-70 case. The .30-40 Krag has a rim of .545, and a base of .457, which is clearly smaller than the .30-06's .473 base dia., but the .45-70 rim is .608, with a base of .505, which is larger than the .473 of the .30-06 case, and is clearly evident in the video, even without measuring. I have rifles in all three chamberings, and after comparing and handling them, there is no doubt in my mind that it is a .45-70 size case. The US military has a long history with the .45 Government round, and I believe they used it because it was big enough to hold the mechanical and electronic priming systems, while also being large enough to hold the necessary powder charge.@@keithmoore5306

[@PhantomP63]

@@MopartoolmanIt certainly seems based on 45-70. The Bulletpicker website has a good diagram and basic dimensions of the Mk15 primer. There’s some of these primers next to a 30-06 and one of these belts on display aboard Alabama.

[@bustergutz231]

I believe that when the ship was being decommissioned , they just vanished into air

[@anthonyalfeo1899]

I would have liked to have seen the rest of that picture standing on end to your right. Front part of the ship was rendered very nicely.

[@stoddern]

I think the belt would be better than an ammo can though I suspect it would be even more efficient if worn like a bandolier cross the chest . Also if I was the primer guy in the pit I'd use the ammo can for spent primers rather than having them under foot and having to hunt them down after the fact.

[@jerrywhite9208]

If you watch "In Harms Way" (available on KZbin), at about the 2 hour 34.56 mark there is a scene of a gun crew using this type of belt.

[@keithmoore5306]

the ones for 155mm are leather and with a normal buckle like a normal cowboy gun belt that might be made of canvas because the leather ones didn't hold up in a saltwater environment! that's probably a modified 30-40 krag casing!

[@benerval7]

Army artillery uses the M82 primer. The gun crews are also issued a "primer belt" that hang up in the gun. they are in no way comfortable or practical to wear. They ARE very durable though.

[@dannyhonn973]

Thank you, Ryan, for admitting you dont know, you dont have all the answers. Ive met people who dont know, and blow smoke up your 6 to make you think they do know. Soooo Rewarding to show them up. How often has a non-battleship sailor, or even someone who wasnt in the services, given you the correct answer?

[@TheSteelArmadillo]

I’m getting the feeling that this was actually used for the line throwing guns and somebody figured out that it will hold the primers.

[@Murgoh]

Looks the world like a 45-70 cartridge though obviously it's a completely different construction as shown by the cutout picture. Maybe historically some earlier guns used actual 45-70 blanks for primers and they kept the old dimensions even though the internal design was upgraded for electric firing and to withstand the grater pressure? An interesting fact: the most important job of a cartridge case is not to keep the parts of the cartridge together but to seal the chamber when firing. The metallic case does this by expanding under the pressure and then springing back for easy extraction when the pressure drops as the bullet exits the muzzle. Breech loading guns were experimented before the advent of metallic cases but they suffered from sealing problems and because of that never became popular until the case was invented. Large guns like the 16 inchers that don't have cartridge cases use an obturator that does the same thing, expands under pressure to seal the chamber, but they require more maintenance than guns using cartridges as the sealing surfaces need to be kept very clean to maintain gas seal.

[@snoman003]

Looks very much like a modified 45-70 or 45-90 rimmed black powder rifle cartridge case. Would be interesting to get the outside diameter of the primer case to see how close it is.

[@keithmoore5306]

going by the 30-06 it was compared to i'd say a modified 30-40 krag casing!

[@sampsonramm6630]

Could well be, only way to know is for Ryan to actually grab a micrometer and measure the OD and length of the case.

[@leftyo9589]

i would speculate that a boatswains mate made that belt. if it were an issue item, it probably would have had a hasp like a pistol belt vs string through loops.

[@bascomnextion5639]

They were probably very worried about metal to metal contact of any sort so decide not to have any metal buckle

[@richardmillhousenixon]

​@@bascomnextion5639You brought up a valid point, didn't think about it until right now

[@toddwebb7521]

With the case being rimmed and that length I'm pretty sure it's a .45-70 case, which .45-70 blanks is what the line thrower guns for running a line from one ship to another use.

[@SMOBY44]

That looks like it's made from a fire hose jacket. Would have made a great Wog beater! It also appears to be adjustable to fit both a 3rd class and a 1st class🤣

[@richardfulton9398]

But not the baby

[@SMOBY44]

@@richardfulton9398 Would need a few more feet for that.

[@johnsutcliffe3209]

When I read the caption I thought man thats a big cowboy.

[@NomadShadow1]

I feel like it would be relatively easy to snag the rim of one of those primers on a corner of something and have the primer pop out of the belt when you don’t want to given the proclivity of things on the ship to have sharp corners, I would think that a small sack for your primers would work better but then I’ve never operated an artillery piece so 🤷‍♂️

[@mikejenkins7942]

I have seen this type of belt in a book about New jersey.

[@bizjetfixr8352]

Practically, this belt makes a lot more sense than a box. For starters, would they not have a "box holder" mounted somewhere? Otherwise, you run the risk of the box being dropped into the gun pit. To say nothing of the bad stuff that could happen, if you had a loaded gun with an open breech, waiting for the guy to grab one off the floor. As far as the fabricated belt......it looks like a prime candidate for a swap between the guy in the shop, and the guy in the turret crew. Another person to interview.....the guys who primed these guns (assuming that there was one guy for each gun?). I'll bet it was "exciting" to be directly below the gun when fired.

[@LenKusov]

I think that primer cartridge is actually a repurposed .45-70 Gov't cartridge, not a weird .30-06 variant, because of the big rim on it and the fact that the before-the-neck diameter of a .30-06 round is .45 approximately. Looks about right for that, and the .45-70 is already a black powder cartridge that's in service about the time bag guns start coming into service, so it makes sense to keep the cartridge around - you can use newer primers in older guns without issue. Makes the most sense, instead of having to invent a special case just for the special primer rounds.

[@jeffreythomas3904]

Rigger made, I believe the navy called them parachute or sail riggers.

[@erickleven1712]

Rifle case looked like a .30-06. I load close to 60 grains smokeless into those. Most loads are between 50 and 60gr. Other comments about the primer looking like a .45-70 case smell right. The primer would definitely need thicker walls than what a .45-70 has, plus the thick star-embossed top plate. I bet that 60gr of black in there was a good compressed load.

[@andycrips]

Can you compare that primer to a .45-70 case? That would be very interesting if they were the same dimensions.

[@keithmoore5306]

it's most likely a modified 30-40 krag casing seeing it compared to the 30-06 empty!

[@HongyaMa]

Wheres Pancho? "We don't need no stinking badges" Fashion Week on the New Jersey with Ryan S . . .

[@mpetersen6]

It is possible to extract dimensional data from pdfs provided you know what a known dimension is. Use the measuring tool to extract that dimension on the drawing and if it differs from the true dimension of the actual object divide one by the other for thw scaling factor.

[@osamaismymama7907]

How hot did the guns get to the touch with high round count engagements/training? Was there ever a concern about cook offs when extended firing? Meaning bags or the primer going off on their own because of the gun being hot? I’d imagine probably not because of the long period between shots and how much material you have you have to soak up and disperse the heat. As well as the purging system to take some of that heat away between shots.

[@jeffTheG44]

Well the guns with a good crew could get the guns hot enough to slightly droop under combat circumstances in the south Pacific so but the steam system that evacuates the bores before reloading probably does do a good job of keeping it cool.

[@cocopuffs5561]

that was a long list of things to do when manning the gun. assuming NJ was just steaming in war time conditions and was ambushed by a hostile ship, how long would it take them from the alert being sounded to the guns being able to fire their first rounds?

[@robertkelley3437]

I asked the same question a couple of years ago. Never got a decent answer.

[@alexh3974]

Well I saw I think the time to Battle stations alarm to Battle stations postions was meant to be under 5 minutes to get everyone to Battle stations. It's a big ship, and Theirs always gonna be some crew manning key stations. So they ship still can make a limited response even prior to full battlestations.

[@blackbuttecruizr]

Super cool.

[@MrJeep75]

Does look home made

[@jth877]

That's more like a 45-70. A standard M2 150gr 30-06 has 47 grains of powder.

[@GunRagDave]

More like a .30-30

[@keithmoore5306]

no a 30-40 krag casing the karg was a rimmed round they just lopped it off at the start of the neck and crimped it off there!

[@keithmoore5306]

@@GunRagDave30-40krag!

[@Backdaft94]

Would be handy to have a primer belt. Although that does appear to have been homemade.

[@ZacharyBurgard]

My grandfather used a 30.30 cartridge belt when he was in the army in the late 70s early 80s I am guessing it was something he picked up form a surplus store

[@Justthatguy420]

Wow 6:11 you can see percussion of guns making heavy anchor chains bounce. Wild

[@RuralTowner]

Concussion* would be the correct term but understood what you meant. Definitely alot of power coming out the barrels. Wasn't an unknown side-effect especially of earlier battleships for some damage to be self-inflicted just from the back-blast.

[@Justthatguy420]

Yeah its a blast lol!@@RuralTowner

[@ColKorn1965]

The people on BB55 has a strip of primers for the 16" gunms

[@pauldietrich6790]

Details.....seems like a colab candidate with Ian from "Forgotten Weapons "

[@dannyhonn973]

Thank you. I now see Clint and have the theme to 'A Few $ More' going through my head😁. Ok. What if theyre defective? Can you substitute?

[@shockwave6213]

I can't imagine why they wouldn't just leave an ammo can full of boxes of them down in the gun pit taped or glued to the floor. After all, the ammo cans are already sealed with rubber gaskets so moisture shouldn't be an issue in service. And if something has gotten into the gun pit that can cause a can of them to catch fire, something catastrophic has happened.

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

It's something of a bother to bend down and pick up a single prmer from the floor for every shot. Even if they used an open box like that, it'd make sense for the primer chap to load up a bunch of primers at once from the box into the belt or some kind of bag at waist height and then use that supply to prime the gun without having to change position.

[@shockwave6213]

@@LafayetteCCurtis I mean for general storage when nobody is in the gun pit. Instead of keeping them all in a separate room, just keep a can of them plus the belt down in the gun pit at all times.

[@LafayetteCCurtis]

@@shockwave6213 I'd say that one is for administrative reasons. The primers would get pretty difficult to count and keep track of once they're in the gun pit. Keeping them in a separate magazine would make it easier for the guns' logisticians to make note of how many boxes have been sent over into the gun pit, check how many unused boxes are left, inspect the boxes for missing/stolen primers, request replacements or remedial actions, etc. since they wouldn't have to run afoul of the pit crew while they're doing that. As for the boxes brought to the gun pit, the storeroom would probably simply treat them as having been used up and expect nothing to come back except for the empty boxes themselves.

[@pacificparts]

Hi Ryan, an idea I had for a future video. Can you show us the inner workings of the laundry facilities onboard?

[@seanseoltoir]

On an aircraft carrier, it would be, "Here's where you put the clothes in the washer and here's where we add the JP5"... Even if you don't work on the flight deck, your clothes end up having a bit of JP5 "flavor" to them...

[@timengineman2nd714]

That looks like a .45-70 Cartridge Casing!

[@hoilst265]

Wait, Ryan: what happened to your traditional over-over-long belt you always used to wear?!

[@Angrymuscles]

What are the most interesting things you've seen or heard found on the other three Iowas? Even to the point of wishing you had them in your collection. Don't be proud or shy Ryan, we love all four of our Iowa class battleship children equally.

[@garywayne6083]

The donut bakery room the Missouri has :D

[@johncorder2912]

The primer looks like it may have been developed from the .45-70 cartridge.

[@specialk314]

Feels like 40k to have a dude who's single job is putting a primer in the gun

[@sparkplug1018]

If I had the option, I'd have probably made something like an over the shoulder bandolier.

[@Serilleous]

I kinda doubt that the thickness of the primer shell is a safety issue. (please correct me if I'm wrong, these numbers are from google) A ww2 16 inch gun operates at 37k psi. IIRC there are some modern ones in testing that operate at 55k psi. The operating chamber pressure for an M1 carbine (that fires the round shown in this video, I think) is 40k psi. That matters because the pressure acts on surface area, so the forces on the two cases should be roughly the same, psi wise. Does the duration under pressure effect this? It may also just be to make them more rugged, made better contact, heats up less from the detonation charge from resistance, or was just low hanging fruit to make the case a little heavier. Are there other factors at work on the physics of this, or am I misunderstanding something?

[@seanseoltoir]

He's a Yankee and lives up in the leftist part of the country, so he doesn't know anything about firearms. If he had been a Texan, he would be saying, "This is a single kernel of powder for the 16-in gun. Today, we're going to grind it up and see how many .50BMG rounds we can load for a bit of plinking in our backyard"...

[@Z09SS]

It's very nearly a .45-70 case externally.

[@eekedout]

Would be interesting if any of the spent cases were inspected for signs of overpressure? I.E. case stretching which could lead to head separation or a bulging primer cup?

[@rippertrain]

I watch a lot of cowboy shooting videos. Here i was thinking what competive shooter only has a 16 inch waste?

[@seanseoltoir]

You are quite wrong about the pressures involved causing the primer being heavier. Both the 7.62x51 and 30-06 cartridges are subjected to more pressure than the primer / barrel would be on the 16" guns of the Iowa class battleships. If you had ever reloading any ammo, you would have realized that since the pressures for those cartridges are pretty basic knowledge. I was pretty sure that the 16" gun was a bit less, but I had to look it up, just to be sure before calling you out on your mistake. From what I've read, the primers would get automatically ejected, but there was a provision to manually eject it if it was stuck.

[@rickswanberg4995]

Perhaps others were squirreled away in some "secret" spot like so many other treasures were.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

is that 75 per turret or 75 per gunhouse because that's a lot of shells

[@jeffjr84]

Those guns. I got a feeling they might fire in anger again.. unless world events change. We always fall back on the old girl.

[@jacobdill4499]

That primer kinda looks like a .45-70 government case.

[@johnmorris4753]

The rim looks similar to a British .303 caliber cartridge case.

[@brentraulston7224]

I see that Iowa....moved her turret. So...can you do this?

[@nicjansen230]

It looks cool, but for what practical reason would they have chosen this over a rack or something in the gun pit? I would have made hooks on the walls in the gun pits to hold the ammo boxes with primers. Roughly judging the size, there could be 75 primers in one ammo box. In case more are needed, I think there is no time difference between taking a belt off and putting a new one on, or taking an ammo box from a hook and placing a new one back on the hook. However, picking primers from an ammo box and putting them in a belt takes time which you could have spent doing something more useful There 2 reasons why I wouldn't have made a hook: either if primers could be supplied in these belts or if i wasn't allowed to weld a tiny hook on the wall

[@rascalferret]

Spending time to fill the belt and then put away the unused primers is redundant if a ready access point for primers is already in place. It seems unnecessary and a snag potential. Maybe he put the spent ones in there rather than sweeping up. Also eliminates brass rolling underfoot...

[@gregwmanning]

What happens to the powder bags when the guns are fired?

[@davidschick6951]

Burned up

[@dalesql2969]

That's one of the reasons for the compressed air blast when the breech is first opened. It not only blows the toxic fumes of the burned propellant out, it blows any possible smoldering scraps of powder bag out the barrel. in old time muzzle loaders the same thing is done with the wet swab, it extinguishes any burning embers left from the previous charge. @@davidschick6951

[@deanwitherow9789]

a water cooler design ?

[@callhoonrepublican]

That is so cool

[@6763100]

If I am remembering correctly in the book " Battle line us navy 1919-1939" there is a photo of a omaha class cruiser 6" gun crew were a person is wearing a primer belt

[@nonna_sof5889]

8:06 Would you go over that list in more detail at some time, if you haven't already?