A Dual 2011-3 Server for your Homelab?? - HP DL80 Gen9 Review

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Wanting to expand your homelab, but the thought of another aging Westmere or Sandy Bridge server got you worried? Welcome to the modern era of servers, courtesy of the HP DL80 Gen9... a Dual 2011-3 socket system, featuring DDR4 and PCIe 3.0. But should you add it to your server rack?
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[@1leggeddog]

"Honey, come to bed!" "Not now, Jeff has a new server!"

[@SenZubEanS]

God... it's like you are here in my study!!

[@rahulprasad2318]

Cringe

[@RaidOwl]

Every Craft Computing video has me closer and closer to installing an actual server rack.

[@TheRobMozza]

Or better still.. a lack rack 😂🙄

[@triggertits]

Just do it!!! 🤣

[@tanmaypanadi1414]

I don't have money to build a PC and I am looking forwards to the day I have server rack humming in my home

[@OneComputerGuyWorking]

Jeff: "If you're from the non Imperial sections of this planet." My mind: "Which means pretty much everywhere else in the world"

[@Romnipotent]

Myanmar and America then?

[@J-1410]

@@Romnipotent not even then. Imperial is about extinct. US on the other hand, is not.

[@user-xl5kd6il6c]

I did the exact same as the OP

[@Heterochromy]

Perfect time for a homelab video! Builing my very first rack and filling it up with components. Thanks Jeff!

[@bernarddeprez133]

Thanks Jeff for this video! I had been looking at this server for a while now and recently bumped into this video. I took the jump and now have it up and running with TrueNAS Scale. Now, for posterity in case anybody ends up on this video (seeing that the internet content on this DL80 is limited) then here's what I did... I didn't want to use 2 disk slots for the TrueNAS boot system and had read that this server cannot boot from NVMEs - what I did is purchased the following: - 2 x M.2 SATA SSDs - 2 x M.2 PCIe adapters I then connected the M.2 PCIe adapters with an SATA cable to the 2 SATA slots that are on the motherboard and used them to install the TrueNAS mirrored boot-pool onto.

[@TheRogueBro]

I've always heard that HP's are very finicky servers. Can't wait to watch this one!

[@CraftComputing]

G5-Gen8 can be a little fiddly. Gen9, HPE caught their stride again.

[@andrewnoonan4044]

@@CraftComputing The Pita with HP being of course they deny you access to firmware updates unless you have a machine on support with them. Oracle being even worse with Sun firmware.

[@Mikesco3]

That was exactly the deal breaker for me. I try to never use HP servers for that reason, Dell let's you download whatever you need for as long as you want and I really think they're better servers all around

[@judman13]

@@andrewnoonan4044 Thats not strictly true. You don't get the big service packs but if you dig through their support website you can piecemeal the updates.

[@andrewnoonan4044]

@@judman13 Believe me, I have been through that process. Lol. It really depends on the update. If it is a critical fix they do generally let you access. Bios updates are the most restricted and they don't always give you access to the latest of those without support. Which is a pain as generally the upgrades that allow greater memory support than the specs tell you are in the later updates. But yeah card firmware updates you can generally find a way to get. I keep a Server 2012 install specifically to do firmware upgrades on HP cards.

[@desertmike680]

I use to be a Data Center Engineer for HP. I loved working on those DL servers. Mostly the DL360 and 380's. So much easier to work on and configure versus Dell.

[@KayJay01]

These servers are great. G9 and onwards also has that dumb RMRR fix in a BIOS update so they can be used for QEMU/KVM virtualization with PCIe passthrough, unlike the G8 and previous (there is a fix for the older cards but it's **very** tedious)

[@hotrod54chevy]

While I get that the RTX Voice was needed to make this thing tolerable for a video, I'm sure a lot of your newer viewers are probably scrubbing through the video listening for a sample of what it sounds like while running. Unless of course they don't know what an actually server sounds like to sit next to. I myself have been trying to decide on something that's house friendly. Maybe that's something you could add to your homelab series, how loud the budget options are against each other. I'm sure the original 3 you made would be the quietest given that they're consumer grade fans/PSU, but I very well could be wrong. Still, I appreciate you loading up your rack to showcase this stuff for us enthusiasts 😬 Thanks!

[@TwistedMe13]

5:15 Not a problem. Torx head screws are fairly common and are less likely to cam-out/strip than phillips.

[@wouldntyaliktono]

It's fun when he drifts from his "I'm doing a TV weather forecast" voice into his "I'm having something appraised at the Antiques Roadshow" voice during that mezzanine tangent.

[@BradMottram]

Installing the Latest iLO4 Firmware will give you the option to use the HTML5 Console instead of .NET or Java.

[@robaitken4592]

Opening a new server box with a D'k tahg, Glory to you, and your House

[@CraftComputing]

Plus I killed a spider. Victory was had on this day.

[@robwisdom4521]

Heat up an exacto knife and you can cut the back of the pci-e slot and then put a graphics card in with minimal performance loss and still have the use of the upper pci-e slot (by putting the graphics card in the lower slot). Also, you could use a pci-e bifurcation cable to 2 x16 pci-e with the x16 pci-e riser you ordered. Lastly, you could get 2 more additional pci-e risers for the other 2 expansion slots that are available.

[@Jonny_O]

If my memory serves me correctly, that love of Torx screws is a legacy of the Compaq era.

[@CraftComputing]

You are correct 😄

[@Starfireaw11]

I think you mean DEC 🤣

[@thundergod97]

This serves as a good intro to HP servers. I'm picking up a DL380p Gen8 tomorrow (2x e5-2697v2, with the rails :D). It will be the first server going into my rack.

[@TheBobbytables]

That spider now resides in Sto-vo-kor!

[@davidgulbransen6801]

As others have said, if you update your iLO 4 firmware, you’ll get the HTML5 virtual console option with it.

[@sniff122plays]

i can confirm this , i know this is like a year old though lmao

[@ewenchan1239]

Thank you for covering the detail about how the backplane is actually technically three separate backplanes, each controlling four drives a piece, which does screw with how you might want to deploy a server like this, IF you intend on putting a GPU in there.

[@metroplex18]

I managed to pickup an HP ML350 Gen9 tower server for $100 bucks off of goodwills auction site. It WAS a pickup-only auction, but I managed to get a 3rd party shipper to ship it to me. Came with 128GB DDR4 ECC memory, dual e5-2620v3 CPUs(I've since upgraded to dual e5-2650v3 CPUs. The server CAN take V4 CPUs which I eventually plan on putting in, but due to the current power constraints of my home, I'm kind of limited on what I can do to this thing. Currently running unraid with a couple VMs, but I plan on migrating my plex server over to it very soon! :D This is the nicest piece of enterprise equipment I've owned & I'm super excited for its potential (I have it sitting in my bedroom with the fans at their lowest settings & I can sleep comfortably & work from home with no issues)

[@namtr0]

Been watching these on ebay So happy you did a video

[@benhenderson7999]

HP makes a RAID expander card that is designed to carry more Drives. If your server had been configured for 2.5" it would have had 16 max slots

[@Defiant031636]

Would like to see more AMD Epyc content

[@CraftComputing]

7742 Make you happy? Because that's coming up shortly.

[@PWingert1966]

@@CraftComputing The mid-range Epyc can replace every server you have and then some. We just replaced 45 Gen 8 380's with one maxed out Epyc and it just Purrs. But the data center and the racks are so empty. We have another 90 units to replace as soon as Bambi and Thumper arrive (Yeah, we name all our servers after Disney animals). We are thinking of converting the data center to a Ballroom and offering ballroom dancing classes! 😋

[@ajhieb]

The T-10 Torx screws are a remnant from Compaq if I'm not mistaken. All this talk of mezzanines and balconies... Does that make the SAS bays, foyer bays? :D

[@206gerbert9]

New server day? You know i’m stopping everything to watch right now.

[@andrewnoonan4044]

But no 3TB drives. ;-)

[@andrewnoonan4044]

Because of Jeff's experiences I specifically ordered 4TB drives for my boxes. ;-)

[@averystech8218]

less gooo

[@tjkent88]

New server day for you is a great day for all.

[@LePedant]

I bought a DL80p G8 with X2 2620v2, 32gb ram, x2 PSU for $150 after shipping. It's the best $150 I've spent in a while, I've had hours of fun tinkering around. Highly recommend checking out ebay for an older server if you have been thinking about it, it's cheaper than you think.

[@TheRobMozza]

I love getting new boxes in the mail Jeff, it's just a shame mine contain servers like the ML330 G7! Informative as usual Jeff, something for me to aspire to!

[@zeroforkgiven]

The thing I am not liking about HPE is that they are putting their firmware updates behind a support contract. The hardware is pretty solid, but I find it easier to update my Dells at home.

[@strawbemily3182]

yeah i have that issue too. its a pain in the ass trying to find firmware updates. if someone finds an easy way to get them id love to know

[@handsomestrangr]

I just got into a dl380p with dual e5-2660 v2 cpu's that idles about 100 watts. Has 128gb of ram and I added a 10gb sfp+ card. Only mistake I felt I made was to get a SFF chassis vs LFF so i only have 2.5" drive support instead of 3.5" which is what I had already. So I bought a couple of cheap ssd's to throw in it. With the low power and the drives I chose it is actually very quiet and I am pleased with my purchase.

[@RobertMizen]

I really like the form factor of the server. Pretty shallow, and I find that for most people I converse with in small apartments or houses the shallow server chassis are the only option until you get some larger space. My lab is right next to my desk, and also same room where we sleep so quiet operation is like paramount, unless I want to get divorced lol.

[@CraftComputing]

This one definitely isn't quiet by default, but I hear there is a modified firmware for the iLO that allows for lower fan speeds.

[@RobertMizen]

@@CraftComputing Yeah that seems like a good option. Worth it. I noticed, in the video you used RTX on the mic, due to noise. Didn’t you make a video on that before?

[@eDoc2020]

@@CraftComputing Was that with the original config? The 43% fan reading suggests it is boosting the fan due to one of your unrecognized non-HP cards. With no cards I would expect closer to 20% if all the temperature sensors are reading cool.

[@StarFox1988]

I approve the use of the D'k tahg - Qapla’

[@Harry-qh5rt]

Okay, I bought the keyboard you advertised (the link did not work for some reason). If it sucks, you'll owe me a beer.

[@Harry-qh5rt]

You owe me a beer

[@flintlock1]

I wonder Jeff, if you could do the upgrade to the V4 Broadwell CPU's, like some of HP workstations, (like the Z840) A pair of E5-2699 V4's at 22 core's each would make this puppy fly!

[@andyearnhardt1761]

If you plug both PSU's in you will get a lower power draw. When the system sees there should be two available it ramps up usage on the one to cover the difference above what even a single PSU will draw. This will also spin the fans on the server down a bit.

[@Flight1530]

I can see a new rack system in Jeff's future. ;)

[@AIC_onyt]

Jeff: it idles at 110 watts me: *cries in german*

[@hbhamilton3]

That's a beautiful pour!

[@nbrowser]

That PSU...SO CUTE!

[@evanwhitney]

"as always I'm Jeff, and its Christmas year round!"

[@ruifn]

Not sure it has been mentioned, but these servers don’t make much noise at all, the catch is that you need to use hp pcie certified devices. I was using a 10g sfp card that I had laying around and it was very noisy. When I installed a hp sfp card the noise decreased a lot.

[@slim5782]

Nice shout-out to techtechpotato

[@illstateofmind]

I love watching your vids. Keep up the good work.

[@alejandrokaristinos7727]

Yes more server content

[@Astinsan]

Great machine. Have one running a dealership.. 36 inch is what mine are

[@thebossroleplay4105]

Good content as always

[@Stinosko]

True 😉

[@wcg66]

I bet all these are delivered when the wife isn't around. "Honey who was that at the door?" "Oh, nobody, they had the wrong house." Shuffles giant server box into the basement...

[@jeroenvaneekeres9339]

Be aware, those servers only want to use HP branded drives and some aftermarket ones. With most aftermarket drives the firmware does not register the temperature correctly (intentionally) from the s.m.a.r.t. status from the drives causing the server fans to go to 100% which is A LOT of noise and uses a lot of power.

[@DLJaspah]

I've heard this, but I've also stuffed all sorts of different SATA/SAS HDDs and SSDs into my DL380 Gen8 and have yet to see this happen... I don't think it is as common as it once was.

[@CraftComputing]

The only thing that happens is the lights on the front don't do the fancy XBOX 360 Spin thing. 3rd party disks work just fine.

[@eDoc2020]

@@CraftComputing Really? With my G8 the usage indicator works on basically every drive I put in a tray (except for a single very old one). It seems like the tray itself is what tells the system it is a genuine drive. While the drives work without the trays this throws a warning at boot and sets the health indicators to degraded.

[@jeroenvaneekeres9339]

@@eDoc2020 No idea if its the tray or the drive. The HP forums do not give any info that points to either option.

[@eDoc2020]

@@jeroenvaneekeres9339 The drives themselves would be responsible for any temperature sensor problems but on G8 the tray is used for otherwise authenticating the drive. I use generic drives in official trays and it doesn't complain. The drive temperatures are visible correctly from the controller's config utility. However, iLO (which is responsible for the fan speeds) always reports the max drive temperature as 35C. I'm not sure why but the end result is that it works fine so I don't really care.

[@Ohmygodzilla]

Lovely video as usual! Thanks again. Watch the weight buddy ❤️

[@PWingert1966]

Volume levels are decent. Initial startup is loud but myDL60 quiets down to a reasonable level that allow quiet conversation and media playback. I have it sitting two feet from me.

[@giornikitop5373]

try installing any non-hp disk or controller and you will have lift-off. dl380g7 here...

[@JeffWaynee]

I'm actually about to build an X99 2011-3 system. Just a single CPU for me, and I went with the 2670 v3 12C/24T and 32GB 2133MHz ECC DDR4.

[@PWingert1966]

I have its little sister the HP DL60 four-bay. Overall, it's a good server. But it's got a bunch of quirks that make setup annoying. It has four drives bays but getting all four recognized is exceedingly difficult. It requires a special SATA drive that is hard to locate and the process of installing it into the operating system is obtuse and not well documented. I managed to get the firmware updated once, But when I tried to do a new update six months later it wouldn't mount the USB key (The same USB key I used for the first update). Since it's deprecated by HP (About a year after it was announced, which is ridiculous) I can't use their online tools to update it. I also would have to pay for a service contract of several thousand dollars. I reconfigured to use a two-drive SATA configuration that doesn't require drivers and installed Redhat Enterprise Linux. Works well but SABA configuration is difficult. For some reason, my windows 10 cannot see the server and Redhat won't let it connect. so I am using USB keys to move data around.

[@iammattjones]

I've got some DL380 G7 servers running FreeNAS and XCP-NG with some MSA storage. These things are rock solid and parts are CHEAP. I'm an IT engineer so using these things is like slipping on a comfy warm robe and sipping a hot cup of coffee. It might be time for some new models with better efficiency and out of band management that doesn't require IE or Java like ILO 4 does.

[@Dtr146]

HP loves their torx screws more than Nintendo love their tri-wing.

[@tommsla123]

Wow. nice server. Perfect for homelab or small business server

[@R_M_Renfield]

You can update firmware of the iLo and it will have HTML5 based remote control/console Firmware is available for free from HP without active service plan

[@Etherchannel]

I thought you need an active service plan for the SPP?

[@R_M_Renfield]

@@Etherchannel You do for an SPP but you can download iLo firmware standalone if you google iLo 4 firmware it will bring you to the HP download page

[@nicwilson89]

I haven't used iLO since whatever version I was using with a DL385 G5 with two mighty (lmao) Opterons in it that has long since been resigned to extra table top space next to my studio room pc desk...oh boy has it changed haha, looking great for a free option! It's *much, MUCH* more comprehensive than even the 'proper' version I had to use as I don't think there was a free option when that came out, and prettier! I've been a Dell sucker mostly since as far as bought and not built servers

[@minigpracing3068]

Did you have any problems getting firmware for that server? The DL360e G8 I have was all locked behind a paywall. Kindness of others got me what I needed.

[@nebuzstar]

that is normal. ask on reddit for a firmware.. there are guys who have full access to everything of hpe ftp ... or find a full upgrade disk online... there is everything in

[@minigpracing3068]

@@nebuzstar thanks, I don't often use Reddit, I'll have to make an account. The dl360e that I have is running True as for storage with my XCP-NG system in my personal lab. That said, I'm much happier owning old SuperMicro machines. I have X7 era machines at work that still function (out of production now).

[@chrisbaker8533]

This reminds me, i so need to upgrade my 180g6 and x1600.

[@questionablecommands9423]

...I'm somehow more interested in that fabric covered XLR cable you've got on your mic.

[@SilentDecode]

If you want a home(lab) friendly server with adjustable fanspeeds: Dell Rx20/Rx30/Rx40. I have a R720 with 2x E5-2680v2, 256GB RAM and more than 2TB of SSDs sitting next to me and I can barely hear it.

[@xSeiryu]

I got 2 of the exact same boxes from eBay today dual NR12000s :)

[@WRMilling]

Plugging in non-supported PCIe devices causes the fans to ramp to a higher minimum speed, though there is a custom iLO4 firmware which should help lowering that (and the noise). Not sure if I can post links, but look for "Silence of the Fans pt 2" on r/homelab.

[@eDoc2020]

Yes, that seems to be what's happening here. 43% seems to the specific fan speed on my DL380pG8 when there are two unsupported cards.

[@intrax2tv]

This guy munches servers for breakfast ! 😇

[@crazy_human2653]

I think a good video for you to consider making would be about figuring out what to look for in an UPS

[@majoryoshi]

Can't wait until the E5-2699 v4 lands in here

[@CraftComputing]

..... Don't beat me to the punchline.

[@brycedavey1252]

I have never seen an MoB where there is a mismatch with the number of dim slots.... That's generally fascinating

[@chandlerm2571]

If you really want some nice hardware for the buck, check out the X3550 M4. EnergyStar certified, not super loud, 16 2.5" bays, etc. Best part? Space for a full fat GPU AND integrated 10 gig capabilities. I would kill to see you review that thing and see what you can get up to with it!

[@naturerleben3252]

Is that just me or has Jeff become a little fluffier :D :D

[@foxrootking5077]

Hello I have a gaming cloud server question. 1. How many people can run game on rtx 2080ti 2. If a user crackup the setting to high does other pcs gets slower? 3.if number 2 was yes.. is there anyway to prevent from doing this? Like making a person if even using high settings doesn't lower other users performance instead lower his. 4. Can we limit MHz to every user to not have the issues in question 3?

[@skyline8121]

Can you make an update list of best budget home server 2021?

[@bikerchrisukk]

Great vid, no youtube adverts though?

[@fordsrmaster]

I really enjoyed the video. Do you have a way to quiet down the fans? It is SO MUCH LOUDER than my Dell Power Edge units. Can you recommend an aftermarket fan that is quieter than the stock fans?

[@onyx0r]

Enjoy that JET Engine, fans will throttle drasticly down if you use HP branded Hardware (PCIe), also you need HP branded disks and HP branded Caddies (firmware locked)

[@jimholloway1785]

I liked the video on the HP DL80 but I did not hear how noisy it was . I know you have the rack in the garage so noise would not be a problem. But I have my rack in my office and noise is important to me.

[@insu_na]

I have a DL380 Gen9 and while the power costs are eating the hair off my head, it's a really good machine. Just annoying that all the extras you kinda have to buy are so expensive, because you often can't get them used (such as the GPU Enablement kit, those things are usually something you add into a server and then never rip out because you already threw away the old heat sinks etc. so these never really end up in the second hand market and you can only buy them new, and here in Germany the new price for just the GPU Enablement kit (2 CPU heatsinks and a handful of cables) *starts* at 400€, which is kinda asinine. But other than that I really like how verbose the iLO is, even if for some stupid reason HPE still doesn't directly measure CPU temperature, instead using sensors placed near the CPUs, so their fan control is really really wonky and can cause CPUs to overheat, if you don't put the fans into jet plane mode)

[@dermothoyne2393]

23:00 ... I guess you saw Paul losing a Beer, during one of his newsreels [RIP Beer]

[@Miphen0707]

Thank you I enjoyed that video.

[@eDoc2020]

You _bought_ an x16 riser? If you don't need peak performance you could cut off the end of the x8 socket so an x16 card fits. I've done this myself and it works well as long as you don't accidentally sever any of the traces on the board. Guess how I know.

[@hongtanke]

you can go 4 sata to 1 SAS connector for the expansion.

[@mbpaull]

I can't believe how cheap these are in the US. Here in Australia you'd be lucky to get just the power supply alone for that :(

[@SirHackaL0t.]

You can remove the 2nd psu post error by popping out the 2nd psu. It’s quite happy with 1.

[@vac59]

ILo is great but frustrating they pay wall the remote console after boot 🙄

[@badmojoe]

If you look hard enough, for the home user you can find a keygen for iLO advanced....wink...wink

[@strawbemily3182]

@@badmojoe omg there is!?

[@nilswegner2881]

@@strawbemily3182 at least for ILO 1 and 2 there was one... I am running two HP DL360 G4 Servers with cracked ILO 1 and a ML350 G5 with cracked ILO 2

[@greenprotag]

Is this a home for my 2699v3s? I'll keep watching to find out...

[@CraftComputing]

Yes.

[@AKGould]

@@CraftComputing wait not my 2699v3s

[@b0ne91]

E5 26xx v3 can be forced to unlock maximum turbo frequency on all cores with a BIOS mod (UEFI should work too). Might be worth looking into.

[@deefdragon]

Not sure if those are the same rails as what I used in the past g7 vs g9, but they were an absolute pain in the ass to pull out when I was moving servers arround.

[@skyblockpro1]

Drive trays my biggest struggle I have servers which I bought cheaper than the drive trays that I had to buy after separately

[@ChadAmI80]

Have you ever sold your Craft Computer t-shirts before?

[@williamfernandez5170]

Ilo5 uses html5, much friendlier, also you’ll need an advanced license if you want to fully use it.

[@droidchevere]

Any chance you can make an update video of what’s running on this server .

[@sjftech]

Dude, you're addicted. It feels like every month you get a new server lol

[@CraftComputing]

Do I have to wait a whole month?

[@klaernie]

No wait required. Only sufficient accumulation of funds.

[@Romnipotent]

@@CraftComputing well... You have nowhere to put them right now. So you may want to wait

[@7MBoosted]

So, what you're telling me is if I need to run some really basic stuff like duckdns, pihole, enginx, kemp, and an open VPN server i don't really benefit from haswell and could get away with some in expensive ivy bridge xeon E5-L cpus. Why thank you, that makes deciding what to do much easier.

[@count0nz]

pretty sure if you remove the GPU you're Idel Power / Fan speed will drop to around the 100W/18% mark.

[@TheRogueBro]

Those fans are 30watts each (at max). That's alot!

[@CraftComputing]

That's why this thing idles at 160W in the BIOS. ALL FANS 😂

[@UntouchedWagons]

Good lord how many servers do you have now? I've got four and I want to trim that down to three.

[@Starfireaw11]

Update your firmware and you'll get a HTML5 console. Unfortunately, it'll only work up until OS initialisation, unless you get an ILO Advanced license.

[@bjackman16502]

Correction - according to the ebay listing the $148 version does NOT have a Power Supply. Also would there be any issues running an Adaptec ASR 71605 raid controller? Other than it not being HP... They are available on ebay for $50. And they are low profile...

[@bjackman16502]

Oops, just looked and they are now $140 on ebay not $50...

[@andrewnoonan4044]

Are you going to do a review of Proxmox 7 and perhaps an upgrade tutorial?

[@CraftComputing]

Looking at it ;-)

[@lesabre1972]

what would I use a server for or benefits I could gain from one?

[@VictorvanDijkNL]

Installing a non HP expansion card (Quadro P2000 in my case) ramps up the fans on gen 8 servers. Is this also the case in a gen 9? Something to be aware of, if you plan on running a video card in your server.

[@nilswegner2881]

The solution to that issue is to Just leave HP behind for dell or Supermicro.

[@VictorvanDijkNL]

@@nilswegner2881 This is my last HP server ever. This behavior is not suitable for a home lab.

[@nilswegner2881]

@@VictorvanDijkNL it's Not even suitable for production use. My company despises HP Servers and we have pretty much Dell only apart from a few Supermicro custom servers. Also Dell offers AMD CPUs in their Most powerful Servers which is awesome for the whole Lot of virtualization that we utilize