A F****NG FARCE! The Full Story of the 2005 United States Grand Prix

If you thought the 2018 Singapore Grand Prix was terrible, watch this!
The 2005 US GP was the worst race in history. It started with a blowout, and a mix of politics, egos and not caring about the fans that pay to watch the show having a royal rumble. Unfortunately, we the fans suffered.
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[@Fitch93]

The thing is, everyone wants to talk about the race itself and the stuff that never happened during the weekend. But the discussion all ends with, "Well, Michelin didn't bring the proper tire" and that it. Except it's not it, no one ever talk sabout how it was that Bridgestone were able to bring a "proper tire" and Michelin weren't. IMS had been repaved after the previous seasons USGP, it had also been diamond ground. Earlier in the year, a tire test had been scheduled for Bridgestone and Michelin. Prior to this test, however, there was a tire test for the IndyCars. After this test Michelin called the Speedway and asked about the results of this test and some other key questions. IMS told them what Firestone had told them, the wear rates were about the same as the previous year, and the track had a bit more grip in it. Michelin took that information and believed they had enough information to build the needed tire, informed the Speedway the weren't coming to the tire test and told them they'd see them at the race. Firestone then took ALL the data it had from the test and handed it over to Bridgestone, who were able to build a tire consistent with the new surface. Michelin and IMS, didn't believe that Firestone/Bridgestone would blatantly lie and mislead them in a situation where drivers lives were, literally, in the balance, especially after Ralf's crash the previous year. So when the circus showed up and the Michelin's were failing and the Bridgestone's were fine, Michelin were initially mystified as to why their tires were behaving so poorly. It didn't take them long to put the puzzle pieces together. Following the race, there was discussion amongst Michelin and it's teams over whether they could successfully sue Bridgestone/Firestone and IMS over the blatant disregard for driver safety from feeding them either wrong or incomplete data. People also don't mention and they should, that years Brickyard 400 was a complete shit show as well due to tire issues with Goodyear.

[@adaml83]

I think you're thinking of the 2008 Brickyard 400, where they couldn't run more than 10 laps without the tires failing. That said one of at least two things should have happened, 1. Make the tire test mandatory. 2. Remove the tire rule so teams could at least change tires for safety reasons. The third option is all teams run Bridgestones since they are Firestone's parent company.

[@AidanMillward]

shredderkrang to be fair, I tried looking for that information yet I couldn’t find it.

[@DERP_Squad]

@@AidanMillward if I were a cynic I'd say that Mosley wanted Michelin out of the sport and used this as an excuse.

[@ShenLong991]

Chain Bear has targeted this. kzbin.info/www/bejne/nHrNqGidfpilgac

[@CamoDrako]

@shredderkrang Even if this is true (which it doesn't seem to be), you're saying Michelin cancelled their test based on the word of a rival company?

[@soundjarvis81]

I still remember Martin Brundel threatening to punch Schumacher if he did his leaping punch on the podium.

[@clicheguevara9917]

id have loved to See schumi tie that little rat into a Brezel. might have saved us all from kivibljad

[@heliumtrophy]

I don't blame him really but sometimes I wished he'd punch James Allen on account of being a really awful commentator.

[@iBOOM]

@@clicheguevara9917 why is brundel a rat?

[@clicheguevara9917]

@@iBOOM his ignorance. mispronounces names on purpose. has selective memory. thinks way too highly of himself. plus theres something inherently dishonest about him. too much to rant about in a yt comment to be honest;)

[@iBOOM]

@@clicheguevara9917 Are there stories i can read about him? I do like his work at sky since the german broadcast of f1 is in general utter dog shit.

[@miketaylor3464]

Hearing the Minardi guy talk at the end really made it hit me. The guy is apoplectic, So angry you can hear the passion. Love the bit when he wants to swear & is then told he can. Why can't all f1 interviews be this real!? It also ruined his championship battle with Jordan.

[@heliumtrophy]

Because we're so concerned about little children hearing words they shouldn't hear and shouldn't be repeating on a daily basis when really they hear it from their parents and schoolmates so it's no big deal.

[@merlinbotha363]

@@heliumtrophy that is not why you don't swear

[@hkr667]

@@merlinbotha363 No but it *IS* why swearing is not allowed an tv and why that is totally pointless.

[@Gois83]

All I remember was how Tiago Monteiro made the party. Man, he was like he had just won the Driver's World Championship!!

[@friggincanvee]

bahaha as though he earned third. how can you be proud of such a result?

[@Gois83]

When your car is uncompetitive as f*ck, you get all the chances you can!!

[@friggincanvee]

@@Gois83 but it wasn't achieved on merit. He just looks like a clown 🤣

[@Gois83]

@@friggincanvee As if you wouldn't do the same... and of the 3 he surely was the one with more merit. The Jordan EJ15 was really on par with the Minardi!

[@friggincanvee]

@@Gois83 if I were a professional driver I'd like to think I wouldn't.

[@paulwalton7786]

2005 US GP at Indy - worst F1 race ever 2021 Belgian GP at Spa - hold my beer and chips

[@strathruncie]

2021 Abu Dhabi GP - Surprise MFr. 😉

[@Anon24052]

@@strathruncie bitch please, that’s not even the worst FIA farce let alone the worst race.

[@KenzieRetro]

Belgium wasn't even a race

[@josephgabello3214]

Neither was this

[@e2thesmooth]

“It’s ok, you can swear on our TV station...” if only that was said more often in F1 today

[@TotoDG]

“Hey, hey, hey! For me, it was an unforgettable day!” -Tiago Monteiro, the Mini Drivers video for this race.

[@TotoDG]

You know Tiago, right? The teammate of Albers the Fifth Musketeer the following season?

[@sergiomartins98]

@@TotoDG he won the 24h of nurbugring in his class a few weeks ago

[@magnussencube]

SovietOnion the one guy who got a podium in a 6-car race

[@taufiqutomo]

And it was the actual Tiago, not the mini Tiago.

[@CaptainHoers]

When I was watching this race as a 13 year old Jordan fan I was just excited to see yellow on the podium. In hindsight it's a damn shame they didn't boycott the race

[@v6i838]

CaptainHoers funnily enough I was also a 13 year old Jordan fan, but I got bored so I turned over to watch something else

[@gusrtw20]

@@v6i838 here in Spain, commentators apologised for the shitshow and called it a day after like 20 something laps. They ended the broadcast there, didn't even broadcast the full race (if you can call that shit a "race" lol)

[@Enzo-ek7zk]

My new favourite word is catastrofuck

[@AidanMillward]

enzo silveri its a great word.

[@Enzo-ek7zk]

@@AidanMillward yes it is

[@AidanMillward]

enzo silveri so is omnishambles.

[@Enzo-ek7zk]

@@AidanMillward ahhhhhh yes

[@michaelfisher7159]

Yeah love it

[@SiVlog1989]

Whenever people propose solutions to improve the show with gimmicks like tyre wars, like 2001-2006 (between Bridgestone and Michelin), this "Grand Prix" from 2005 is consistently brought up by opponents. It'll be interesting to hear what Max Mosely has to say about this. The simple fact is that there were potential solutions available to enable a race to take place, but the FIA chose to go down the PR disaster route for F1 in the country it could afford to do so least, the United States of America. As David Coulthard said after the six Bridgestone cars started the race, "... it's going to be one of those scenarios now of who could have done, who should have done? The reality is, mature adults were not able to come to a resolution that would have allowed us to put on the show that everyone wants to see in Formula One, and it's a very sad day for the sport I have to say." ITV F1 commentator James Allen summed up the fiasco thus, "it's an illustration of how the teams in Formula One simply can't agree, even in the most extreme circumstances. The FIA didn't seem to want to help either. Formula One should be deeply ashamed of itself today, it lost all semblance of common sense here at Indianapolis. Pinch me! Did I really see this?!" It was almost as though the FIA and through them Ferrari were trying to humiliate the Michelin tyre company, but they failed to bear in mind the most important people at the race track, not Charlie Whiting, not the drivers, not the teams, but the public watching on TV around the world and those who parted with hard earned cash to attend the race meeting in person. If he was instrumental in obstructing all the solutions, I hope Jean Todt now realises the stupidity of the situation in hindsight

[@striderx8255]

Michelin Tyres, the Pirellis of the V10 era. No wonder they chose Bridgstones from 2007 to 2010. But seriously tho, the No Tyre Change rule was the major f**k up of the 2005 US GP

[@cigmorfil4101]

And now the rule is the cars *must* change tyres...long gone are the days of tyres expected to last qualifying and the race.

[@ShenLong991]

No. The Problem was that Michelin asked Bridgestone how the Track is and believed them, so they didn't go to the track on testing day. So they didn't got any data. Even with the tire-change-allowed rule. The tires would break between 10-15 Laps repeatedly. But well... all is history now.

[@Exevium]

@@ShenLong991 Politics in F1 are history? I don't what you're watching, but I want to watch that as well xD

[@ShenLong991]

@@Exevium 2005 and that stuff is history. Not in particular any sorts of Politics.

[@edwardburek1717]

Oh, for the days when Goodyear did F1.

[@svelob1944]

Do you know about the 2008 brickyard 400 nascar race at indy? It was almost as much of a farce. Good year brought some shitty ass tires that couldnt last more than 10 laps with the new high dowforce stock cars and the repaved speedway. It was solved By putting the pace car every 10 laps for pitting and changing tires. Highly regarded as the worst ever nascar race. Attendance dropped HARD after that race in the brickyard 400.

[@JohnSmith-mk5jt]

Talking about NASCAR races that were a farce due to tires there's also the 1969 Talledega 500. Only 3 NASCARs started that race.

[@James_Batista9]

Also the Car Of Tomorrow had its first full season in 2008 as well.

[@heliumtrophy]

I always appreciate that Olav Mol and Jack Plooij allowed Paul Stoddart to give full vent to the proceedings. I always feel a bit frustrated with this whole charade of not swearing on live TV. The Dutch often say that English swearwords are nothing in comparison to theirs and having seen some of the *ahem* examples, I'm inclined to agree. Two things I would like to put out from my perspective 1. I watched the whole thing with incredulity. I couldn't believe what was happening and felt like I was watching history. Stupid really since when I look back on it now, this event had done a lot to sour my feelings towards F1. 2. Even with all my grasp of the machinations of F1 at the time, I could not understand why Moseley couldn't just allow Bridgestone to supply the tyres for all the teams if it had come to the worst. The fact that Jean Todt is now the successor just makes me think it was the perfect handover. I was hoping Ari Vatanen won as it would've been a clean break the toxic shitshow that went before.

[@jackodees1765]

Yeah, the Dutch swear in a way not seen in many countries. A lot of diseases are thrown around. So to them swearing in English is acceptable.

[@gwcrispi]

"If it could be thrown, it ended up on the track." Yup, that's where my my Foster's "oil can" ended up. Then I left. I got my ticket money back from Michelin, but I live here, I didn't spend a fortune on airfare and hotels.

[@PrinceOfCats5]

It would have been best if Bridgestone, Michelin and F1 came to an agreement where Bridgestone provided all teams with tyres for the one race with the cost of the tyre contracts of F1 teams for that race being covered by Bridgestone. As an incentive for Bridgestone to agree, F1 could sign a contract with them as sole tyre supplier for F1 for the next 3 years or something. Bridgestone would gain exponentially from the publicity boost over their rival tyre company which would far exceed the money they would pay to cover the Michelin contracts for the one race, F1 would have had a competitive race and Michelin would recoup some funds from the contract covering by Bridgestone but still lose out a lot in damaged reputation (albeit not as much as they did through the fiasco that actually ensued)

[@AidanMillward]

Exactly. The Michelin cars were built for Michelin tyres. The Bridgestone tyres would have put them at a disadvantage.

[@ivaneurope]

Karma has struck Michelin since Ferrari had similar issues in Spain and Michelin teams refused to find for solutions. The 2005 season alone is the evidence why F1 has single tyre supplier today and for years to come - now it's Pirreli. And Ferrari wanted ugly win more than beautiful loss no matter if there were 6, 10 or event 22 cars on start. Speaking of Stoddart - this was not the first case he butted heads with Ferrari and FIA. In the same year he wanted to race the 2004-spec PS04 as the PS05 was not ready (while the Jordan EJ15 was ready) for the Australian GP and everyone agreed except for one - Ferrari. But wait, there's more - Stoddart was even banned for the next two years (later overturned) after badmouthing how FIA favors Ferrari (hence the FIA = Ferrari International Assistance). Eventually PS conceded defeat, used modified PS04B for the first few races of the season and eventually sold the team to Red Bull, who morphed it into Scuderia Toro Rosso.

[@r3uvsgaming]

in short: Mosley is a massive cunt

[@awepen1596]

@@r3uvsgaming Arsehole !!

[@benrogers1559]

I’m not going to lie. the 8 year old Ferrari mad fan who had no clue of the politics of f1 that I was in 2005 loved this Grand Prix

[@Ryeblue]

3 years later, NASCAR will have their 2005 US GP

[@shortcat]

Just as ~35 years before

[@shawnreap]

That might be even WORSE considering that NASCAR has only one tire supplier. You had one job, Goodyear. ONE JOB! 🤦‍♂️

[@SiVlog1989]

NASCAR beat F1 to it, in 1969, the very first race at Talladega Super Speedway (at the time known as Alabama International Motor Speedway), the Talladega 500. Like the 2005 US Grand Prix, it featured multiple tyre failures, a mass boycott, a much depleted field and self interest. S1apSh0es did a great video about it, once I find a link to it, I'll copy it into the comments

[@SiVlog1989]

kzbin.info/www/bejne/qmbTZ4eXn7uEf5o

[@Ryeblue]

@@SiVlog1989 I'm talking about shitting bed at Indy, like F1

[@OfflineSetup]

The best example of the "Ferrari problem" in "recent" years. F1 needed Ferrari more than Ferrari needed F1. While this is not as true as it once was, Ferrari still have HUGE leverage and influence.

[@merlinbotha363]

Fuck em

[@PassiveSmoking]

Ferrari International Assistance

[@echx1346]

reminder that the 2005 rules were specifically designed to screw ferrari over. this was their best chance to get something out of the season and ferrari weren't about to let go of a competitive advantage to help the same teams who had grouped together to screw them over.

[@TheD2JBug]

Which is of course why they FIA decided to have a 2005 tyre rule designed to fuck over Ferrari

[@nevermanishere]

1st vid of yours I've watched. The commentary at the end is worth listening to alone - but your explanation was an excellent setup of the historical facts. very good vid - if only to see the depth of the hurt this caused so many.

[@lewisb85]

There's a small factor you are forgetting and a person you are missing out Tony George and Indianapolis liability laws. Changes to the course have to go through testing, therefore putting an untested/bodged chicane in at short notice leaves the FIA and indy motor speedway liable for getting sued/prosecuted if someone was to be injured or killed due to an accident because of that chicane. George did mention this at the time, I'm not an apologist for Mosley however, I do feel that his hands were tied by George.

[@zanemarte9877]

The bigger problem though was that using defective unsafe products is ILLEGAL under Gross Negligence. Had they go through the safety protocols and add that chicane under a condition that a practice session was replaced with a familiaration session and then go straight to qualifying then this Farce of Indianapolis 2005 wouldn't have happened the way it did. The latter of which is what the FIA did 18 years later at Qatar 2023 when Pirelli (like Michelin at Indianapolis 2005) had defective tires that were failing left right and center.

[@marcelf0252]

Just remember the 2008 Brickyard 400, basically the same. But in that case they actually forced the drivers to pit after like 20 laps and threw a caution because of that

[@acenace24]

They should’ve put the chicane in but altered the way points were handed out. The teams that were on Bridgestone should’ve been listed as 1st through 6th based on where they finished amongst each other with full points awarded. To incentivize the other teams to still race they should’ve placed them starting from 1st to last amongst each other as well, but only awarded half points to each driver.

[@Spyke-10100]

Wasn't the deal between Minardi and Toro Rosso confirmed not long after this race? Was Stoddart's public humiliation of the FIA the reason why that was pushed through so quickly?

[@alc-d4163]

It wouldn't surprise me

[@TheD2JBug]

No , Euroipean Minardi had been running on fumes for years up to that point .Running old engines and cobbling together old cars ....

[@mrkipling2201]

What annoys me about F1, and especially back in the 1980's to the mid 2000's, was the amount of things being changed, often for just the sake of change. A lot of time it should have been a case of if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@johndue2366]

If you haven't noticed: Today car racing is a show that is used to make money. The US way of life has made F1 racing into a money machine. I visited Silverstone, UK in the summer of 1973 to watch the F1 race. You could walk in the garages while the mechanics worked in the cars, - no questions asked. Saturday, after the last races, I walked the complete circuit together with many other fans. Unfortunately, the gate was closed when I returned to the entry road. Being young, 19 years, I could climb the fence and get back to our tent. Entry fee was £3 at Saturday and £6 on Sunday. The race at Sunday was good, though. Of 36 starting the race, only 18 was left after first lap, - that was what was announced through the speakers. I was fortunate, the British guy next to me at the Becketts corner had a TV set and a battery to receive real time picture from the Blimp circling above the track. --- Today, you will have to empty your bank account to get in to a F1 garage and, at the same time, be someone special.

[@DominicEleven]

The “US” way? Even if profit and greed were indigenous to the United States(which it is not), Ecclestone is the reason F1 is the way it is. And remember, if it weren’t for rich Brits not wanting to pay taxes the U.S. wouldn’t exist anyway. Rich Englishman who don’t want to pay taxes? If that sounds familiar than look no further than Lewis Hamilton and Jensen Button.

[@keyboardwarrior327]

Not sure how you can blame the way F1 is today on the US way of life when almost all of the races, drivers, and teams are European.

[@TheOriginalStix]

Great video as always, Aidan! I was waiting for you to cover this race, and you've delivered!

[@camerongreenwoodcrampakacgc.]

If I was in charge of the 2005 US Grand Prix or the 2005 United States Grand Prix, same thing…. I would have said Yes to the chicane. I would have also permitted the race to be a Non Championship round. And of course I would have allowed the Michelin runners to pit every 10 laps to fix their as per the rules. All this stuff that Max Mosley should have done in the first place.

[@zanemarte9877]

EXACTLY!!!! It was his fault for failing to recognize the safety laws in place at the U.S. However, had those teams on Michelin tires raced even just one lap EVERY PARTY involved would've been criminally charged in the U.S., and the parties include the Michelin tire company, teams, drivers, F1 Management Group, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, AND the FIA. This is because using defective unsafe products under U.S. law is criminal under Gross Negligence.

[@WildWolfGT]

My parents and I went to this race. My dad and I are huge f1 fans and it was huge trip for us to see a race especially because it was the last year with v10s. It was incredible... Then the news started coming in about Michelin. Practices qualifying were incredible to see in person with v10s f1 cars blasting around Indy. Then all the teams pulled in and everyone went beserk. Absolutely terrible.

[@SiVlog1989]

One aspect of the fiasco that isn't mentioned much, Bernie Ecclestone. He had an option to postpone the race if fewer than 12 or 14 cars were able to race (in reference to the mass boycott of the 1982 San Marino Grand Prix). He did not exercise this, which would have avoided any embarrassment, avoided anger of the fans and above all prevented the sport being damaged in the USA. If they had taken measures to allow the fans who bought tickets for the originally scheduled race had been allowed to attend the rescheduled race, it would have been a small inconvenience compared to the fury that followed in the aftermath of what actually happened

[@AidanMillward]

SiVlog fuck it, I’m pinning that. That’s actually really interesting!

[@simonkevnorris]

I think in F1 the rules mean need to have so many cars on the grid when they leave on the parade lap. The fact that most of them don't go to the grid does not matter.

[@Loose89]

It was karma for the FIA bringing in a rule to specifically stop Ferrari’s dominance, Michelin brought dangerous tyres in 2004 and were lucky Ralf was not more grievously hurt and Alonso’s tyre failed after the final turn and didn’t do their due diligence in bringing tyres safe enough to last in 2005. People can try and blame the Bridgestone teams, Ferrari, Schumacher etc. all they want but hey they had tyres which would last the race it is not their problem or their responsibility, they’d be and had been punished enough having to endure a wasted season due to the disparities in tyres because the FIA blatantly changed the rules to stop a team from being competitive. The FIA and Michelin made their bed they had to go sleep in it.

[@grahamreece519]

You should read the top comment

[@MrSniperfox29]

If it was "karma" for the FIA changing the rules, it was a very small hit and one that really did not benefit Ferrari in the slightest. In fact you might even call it a pyrrhic victory due to the fact it made everyone hate them even more.

[@JonnoHR31]

This a million times! The 2005 ban on tyre changes during a race was done solely to break the ferrari/schumacher dominance for the sake of making the sport "interesting again" and was il-conceived from the start. It wouldn't suprise me at all if the idea for this rule change came from Michellin themselves and the FIA saw a bridgestone disadvantage as an easy way to slow the Ferrari's, with Jordan and Minardi being acceptable collateral damage. Have a think about how you'd react if this was done to you and you finally arrived at a race where their ridiculous rule was causing problems, the temptation to let it backfire as much as possible would be too hard to ignore!

[@keyboardwarrior327]

@@grahamreece519 You mean the really long comment with no citations to back up what the guy is claiming?

[@betaich]

it was also Karma for the Michelin teams who did the same when Brigdestone had the same kind of problems in the SPanish GP, just les teams were affected.

[@thetype85]

U.S. GP @ Phoenix ran for THREE years: '89, '90, '91, I was there for all three years!

[@benhorne9327]

2021 Belgian Grand Prix: Hold my beer

[@therealspeedracer]

Mandating a minimum tire pressure would have fixed it. They were only blowing out because of the low pressures they were running to handle the infeild section which made too much lateral load around the oval part. If the teams would have ran the pressure Michelin wanted them to run it would have been safe. But the Michelin teams are to blame for being too greedy with the setups. So to say Michelin brought an unsafe tire was a bit unfair since the teams were basically running flat tires for better grip. They could have just aired up to a safe number recommended by the manufacturer and we could have had a race.

[@simonkevnorris]

In that year the team has access to two compounds. They had to decide to only use one for the race. They were supposed to be a safe set and a risky set. I believe this happened after the Canadian GP from a year or two prior where the weather was such that enabled some teams to race a softer compound which mixed up the results. Michelin took two compounds that were not safe.

[@ShenLong991]

The Head Movement is a catastrophe...

[@evanrocks51]

I was at this race. What a disappointment for my first race in person. Luckily got to see Hamilton clinch the championship at Austin a few years back.

[@VOLHans]

I'm a Formula 1 fan from the US. Or at least I was, until DRS, Kers, etc. Had I been there, I would have been most happy to see a chicane added to properly level the playing field, make the race even more like non-US non-oval races, and see a good show put on.

[@merlinbotha363]

They couldn't lehally change the track without proper testing , something that would have taken too long

[@lzh4950]

@@merlinbotha363 IIRC from Chain Bear's video on the same topic the FIA counter-proposed that Michelin-tyred vehicles travel more slowly round the final corner without the chicane, which would have the same effect as the chicane. It was protested that this would be dangerous as the Bridgestone-tyred vehicles would be travelling significantly faster, but I was thinking how dangerous it would be indeed as I remember that corner isn't that narrow or that close to the pit lane entry

[@gregoryrogers.21]

God I love the comic relief in your videos

[@TheRealGirlWeeb]

Always nice to hear Jack.

[@nominaltimes]

IMS had launched a box lunch program in the 2000's. With Foster's stepping up adverts at the track, the box lunches came with the option of getting 2 Foster's Lager oil cans. By 5 minutes into the race, people were throwing their full unopened Foster's 32oz. beers at Schumacher and Barrichello. The cans were flying right over our heads at the end of the front straight. We left 15 minutes in, fearing riots. My dad didn't watch another GP and still dislikes F1. That was the last GP I have been to.

[@KenLash]

Nice vid Aidan,. I was there. Craziest race weekend I'll ever attend.

[@DominicEleven]

Is that Stoddard being interviewed?

[@simonkevnorris]

At the end , yes

[@maskedsonja5722]

I watched this race on TV, and it was an incredible scenario as the announcers were trying to go between chastising fans (rightly) for throwing things on the track, to endless variations of "this is what track day looks like" to just trying to understand the absolute insanity that they were watching. What a crazy moment in F1 history-and somehow after leaving Indy, F1 is now not only in Texas but also Miami and Vegas next year (though how long the other two last could be another story entirely)

[@FloridaManRacer]

Is the gaming footage from Geoff Crammond's GP4 by chance? Also, I used to live near Watkins Glen and if you go to the IMRRC (International Motor Racing Research Center) an expansion of the local library dedicated to all literature in Motorsports, you can see the original Winner's trophy of the USGP there. I held it. Lauda, Hill, Iykx... So many names, so many legends touched that trophy and I got to hold it... One of the best moments in my racing life.

[@TFRLIceman]

Looks like rFactor to me.

[@asleep909]

i AM SO HAPPY YOU PUT THE COMMENTARY IN AT THE END!!!! FUCKING BEAUTIFUL!!!!!!!!!!11

[@toreewilliver8350]

You single handedly got me interested in f1. Keep it up you do a great job with this channel. I tried to watch a few other guys. No one does what you do. Every video makes me laugh. Cheers mate in my best English accent. Oh yeah, coooooooooooooooooooswooooooorth hahahahahah

[@scottpeters371]

I wish I could find my copy of the US broadcast of that race with the US announcers losing their patience with the race and Machete, Hobbs, and Daly going off at Bernie at regular intervals

[@avengedsoul6661]

“On this day, I see clearly...” Props for Metalingus playing in the background 👌🏻

[@faelirra]

I still remember sitting down getting ready to watch this farce (not a race) live when it all happened. The weird build up and then the formation lap when all the Michelin runners went into the pits. Even today it seems people still don't get the situation as it was (like Fitch93's post, not a hit on Aidan at all as this video was extremely well done and well informed). They still bring up that Michelin was at fault for not testing on the new surface. The reason being wasn't laziness or ineptitude on the part of Mechelin, it wasn't. It was that testing was simply put not allowed. Legally there was no way for Michelin to test on the surface, track or otherwise. Meaning that there was no way in knowing how the tyres would react to the track. Bridgestone had the advantage because they owned Firestone so had all the data from the Indy 500 and thus could make the tyres work. If you can't test on a surface you can't get data to know how to create tyres that work for the said surface. It's worse when the other team feeds you false information, which really should have been deemed criminal since people's lives were at stake.

[@themark443]

That Stoddard clip at the end is pure brilliance.

[@GeneralKenobiSIYE]

Now I feel like grabbing a bag of crisps for some reason.

[@AidanMillward]

General Obi Wan Kenobi if it's any help, I had hula hoops.

[@ARC--br7ot]

Here's a packet of Smoky Bacon

[@gorviv529]

The audio at the end is priceless.

[@mrtomdorn]

What is the one thing the driver's are most concerned about? Tires!

[@BlaugranaFAN]

Bridgestone offered help, even if they are a almost exclusive supplier of Ferrari. If you read a Ross Brawn and Adam Parr book, you can find that, Ferrari and Bridgestone works very very close. Ferrari peoples in Bridgestone and Bridgestone in Ferrari. Ross told, Ferrari almost insist that type of cooperation. I think that was also a big part of success of Ferrari between 1999-2004, tyres made specially for they car specs. If I remember that, Ross admit that.

[@davidoldham5958]

Not sure if anyone has asked this already. But do you think Ferrari's reluctance to play along was in part because they felt that the one dry tyre per race was deliberately implimented to shaft them? And stop them from winning?

[@davidoldham5958]

@Reverend RunBad that's not what i remembered reading in Ross Brawn's book. He hinted that there was a feeling or resentment at Ferrari towards the FIA because of the tyre ruling. I'm not so sure the so called 'Ferrari International Assistance' was as active in 2005 compared to how it may have appeared in other seasons.

[@jesperPLZ]

You should make a storytime on the 2007 Brickyard 400

[@echx1346]

I mean considering that the stupid tyre rule was specifically implemented to screw ferrari over I don't see why ferrari wouldn't take the opportunity to get a win. fair play imo, the stupid rule (which was requested by Michelin mind you) ended up bouncing back on those team's faces.

[@RBenjo21]

I think you're giving Max Mosely an unfairly hard time. He says to this day that if they had broken their own rules and changed the track after qualifying, the risk far outweighed the reward. If something had gone wrong with a chicane in place, the FIA would probably have been barred by an Indianan judge from ever racing again at Indy. Charlie Whiting's point is also correct - a chicane would have unfairly advantaged the Michelin runners. A similar situation had happened with Bridgestone at Barcelona that season where Schumacher's tyres failed one by one during the race and they got no sympathy from Michelin at all. Once the cars qualified on the Saturday afternoon, nothing could be changed under the FIA's own rules. And therein lies the problem. The only solution was for the FIA to pull out and make it a non-championship race - I believe the teams had made an agreement they wouldn't knowingly do anything illegal if that were to happen - and that's where Todt's veto comes in. From a sporting and safety perspective, the 6-car race was the only thing that they could do. And (take note, Liberty) the sport must come ahead of the "show". Bernie understood this. The only other alternative was leave it up to the drivers individually, but that creates all sorts of issues around being pressurised by an unscrupulous boss to get into an unsafe car, although notably Coulthard (who had qualified somewhere near Mexico) was begging on the formation lap over the radio to be allowed to start. Michael Schumacher countered that quite well by drawing comparisons to Monza 2001, whereupon the drivers wanted to start under yellow flags for the first lap in response to the death of Paolo Gislimberti in 2000, but some of the team bosses would not allow their drivers to honour them.

[@stake-harley]

How could anyone be unfairly hard on a son of a nazi? lol

[@charlienolan4409]

Yeah but mosely could have let everyone run bridgestones

[@keyboardwarrior327]

@@stake-harley Well it's not Max's fault that his dad's a Nazi.

[@monstalova]

They could have postponed the race to another date. Once Michelin had got enough data to get a suitable tyre. After the lies of Firestone/Bridgestone they deserved that.

[@keyboardwarrior327]

I have to admit though, the sound of 2 Ferrari, 2 Toyota, and 2 Cosseh V10s is really incredible.

[@AmaroqStarwind]

The FIA had proposed allowing tyre changes for this one race, but Michelin said that they couldn't supply enough tyres fast enough for the race weekend.

[@TotoDG]

The head is bobbling as if the music were really playing in the car. Talk about immersion!

[@seano4531]

can i swear on your tv station" haha 15:40

[@joshuacoombs1955]

i think its amazing how passionate sttotard is..........he had 2 cars on the track !!!

[@MrJordanSDean]

You blamed the FIA for not putting in the chicane, yet it was well known that they could have been brought up on manslaughter/murder charges had something gone wrong and someone killed.

[@MrSniperfox29]

That is true, due to the fact the chicane would not have been tested to make sure it didn't still have the same problem. That said, the FIA weren't aware of that ruling themselves, hence why they tried to strong arm the teams into either racing or hitting them with huge fines that they later had to withdraw.

[@SiVlog1989]

If Mosely had forced the Michelin teams to race, knowing that Michelin couldn't guarantee the tyres lasting more than 10-15 laps, and the worst had happened, then as the man who bears ultimate responsibility for the FIA, the organising border, would have found themselves in hot water. As Martin Brundle said before the"race", "if one of these tyres blows, drivers hurt, corner workers hurt or a piece ends up in the crowd, everybody is on the hook and that really is what it's all about at the moment." In other words, they would have faced charges (if there had been incidents that lead to the injuries or deaths of anyone) of negligence and or manslaughter for every injury or death that had occurred. There were plenty of options available to enable a race with all teams and drivers to take place to save face for everyone, but the FIA chose to take the assist Ferrari in their best chance to win a race in 2005 instead

[@zanemarte9877]

I have said this many times on many videos regarding this farce of Indianapolis 2005 and I'll say it again here. The FIA is at 100% blame for ALL of it. Not only that forcing a race with defective unsafe tires puts everyone at risk, but it is COMPLETELY RECKLESS to do so knowing that the tires have caused harm, injury, or even DEATH to the users and general public. I mean the defective tires were the reason why Ralf Schumacher got hurt "per se" in the Toyota and that should have been a red flag to begin with, but obviously the FIA under cold Max Mosley REFUSED and left Michelin no choice but to tell the teams "Withdraw from the race OR we face criminal charges in the U.S." and withdraw is what they did because Had the teams on Michelin tires raced; EVERYBODY involved meaning the Michelin tire company, teams, drivers, F1 Management Group, Indianapolis Motor Speedway, AND the FIA ALL could've faced criminal charges in the U.S. for using defective unsafe products under Gross Negligence. It even took a motorsports hearing several weeks later for the FIA to drop it.

[@JasonAyalaSpare]

Love the interview at the end... and the animation 😂

[@RapideWombaticus]

A chicane in my opinion

[@axemanracing6222]

Until someone like Ferrari says in Barcelona "the straight is too long for our engines, build a chicane"

[@jonskowitz]

I remember that race, it was... wow. A chicane would've been the most elegant solution.

[@stupidstormy36]

Wow, I remember this race. Wish I didn't.

[@cowcocky]

One thing you did miss in this video was this was the end of F1 at Indy. This was a spectacular race was the F1s can flying out of the banked final corner and allow for something we rarely see inF1... overtaking. F1 is now racing in Texas but this will never hold the prestigious position of the Indy race and nowhere near as enjoyable to watch. Hopefully F1 and Indy can mend the bridge now Penske owns the Brickyard.

[@forzaelite1248]

Watkins or Sebring for another GP in the US, just not Miami.

[@Logan912]

Preferrably Watkins although I fear that the FIA would ruin the track. Road America is a great choice too. Sebring is probably way too bumpy for F1 cars though.

[@cbr3220]

how about daytona?

[@luketaylor5848]

Hmmmm 1 oval F1 race per year could be really interesting. A bit of a novelty for F1, but something to consider :)

[@AidanMillward]

Sebring would need resurfacing as the suspension wouldn’t last ten minutes 😂

[@andrewhardman3216]

@@luketaylor5848 Kers wouldn't wouldn't work properly on the oval but using the 24 hours of Daytona layout would be brilliant

[@eamonahern7495]

The Indy 500 counted as a round of the world championship in the 1950s but the European teams rarely if ever competed. The banking at the newly redeveloped Zandvooort is steeper than Indy

[@simonkevnorris]

Yes,when I went there I told many people that it wasn't the first race due to that fact. Needless to say this was news to many.

[@usedlife3793]

True story... That was the last time I watched or had anything to do with F1. Sad that one even ruined my love for this racing sport.

[@invalid8774]

well the politics got better, the sport hardly did. I hope you found something to replace it. :)

[@burdineestep4224]

Was there Live. Fans misbehaved- what they didn't realize is that they were at one of the most odd/UNIQUE races that will ever be in the history of F1.

[@burdineestep4224]

The ONLY party involved that acted correctly was the Hulmam George family. Fans were taken care of. I went to every g.p. at indy, and paid full price for a 06 ticket. Whereas I could have had a free one.

[@burdineestep4224]

Hulman

[@csonkaperdido]

Remember that Watkins Glen is very close to where the original Woodstock was... Party time!! I wish F1 raced at The Glen now - it's basically all high speed turns and an American version of Spa.

[@Trek001]

Was it not also pointed out that if the teams went out and raced and an accident happened, they could have been sued millions - if not billions - under the State law?

[@TotoDG]

9:26. The way you said “asked” instantly tells me you’re a Northerner.

[@AidanMillward]

*Midlander

[@TotoDG]

The Midlands. 😂😂😂😂😂 Seriously, how many people know that joke? Even an entire railway company was in on it at one point!

[@kenmograd2009]

Those sentences the FIA gave to the Michelin-shod teams were overturned on appeal; claiming if they had raced, they would have been charged with reckless endangerment under Indiana state law.

[@noviranger88]

FERRARI INTERNATIONAL ASSISTANCE

[@colincroft7038]

that A10 warthog edit was great

[@mattsisoler6125]

I was a 12-year old Ferrari and Schumacher fan that day excited for the race prior to the start, and then stunned when all the Michelin runners pulled off after the formation lap. And even though most of the time I only wanted Michael/Ferrari to win, I thought that this was an absolutely awful race that they shouldn’t have gone ahead with.

[@CaptainRawricus]

IIRC the idea to put every 10 laps was turned down by the team's, not the F1 management, as there was no way to get enough tyres to the track with 24 hours notice. The chicane idea was turned down by F1 management because any deviation from the accepted track layout was a potential safety concern that could get them sued if anything went wrong.

[@Josh-ft3ri]

This was karma for the shit they pulled to stop Ferrari's domination in 2005, the same no tyre change rule which was put in place to stop Ferrari from winning came back to bite Michelin in the ass in this race. And you blame Ferrari for this before blaming Michelin? LOL what a joke, it was Michelins fault they brought the wrong tyres that's their problem not Bridgestone's or Ferrari's they should deal with the consequences, as Schumacher said in the post race press conference, you can't ask the people who aren't responsible to take the responsibility for it.

[@patrickracer43]

I think Michelin should have allowed to the teams run the Bridgestone tires (but maybe scrub off the Bridgestone logos and apply Michelin logos) edit: say it with your entire chest, Paul

[@jimmymiddleton1307]

The video is giving me motion sickness. What game is this?? Just so I never accidentally get it...

[@jeremeymcdude]

At least when NASCAR had multiple tire manufacturers each manu had to make enough tires for all the teams to use. They also were allowed to choose their tires based on what they prefered for the race or if they were under a manufacturer contract. If there was a tire that was causing problems and cutting down the drivers would just switch or the manu pulled out. the only thing they got wrong was not mandating the compound and how soft it was allowed to be for it to race which caused a massive load of issues. So it's almost like the other side of this whole tire debacle

[@MrSniperfox29]

Bridgestone had enough tyres to supply the entire field, they were prevented from doing so by Mosely.

[@jeremeymcdude]

@@MrSniperfox29 I was more talking about how as you stated Mosley had barred switching the manus which was my whole point. NASCAR Forced the manus to have enough tires for the whole field cause of situations like this.

[@PassiveSmoking]

The biggest entertainment to be had out of this race was the Paul Stiddart interview he did on a foreign TV station where was told that yes he actually can swear this channel half way through the interview.

[@Synapse-CrossroadsOfKnowledge]

To be fair, if the FIA staff had gone home and the teams took over, and something had gone wrong, they would be tried for manslaughter

[@Lv-sl3rm]

Sounds like the F1 version of the 1969 Talladega 500, a complete and utter FARCE.

[@bowlerwildcatGaming1991]

Me and my dad turned the TV off when 6 cars lined up

[@razormc954]

Is that Edge's theme in the background?

[@AidanMillward]

DewStorm88 it is! Well, it’s metalingus by Alter Bridge so yes and no 😂

[@razormc954]

@@AidanMillward LOL

[@andrewgraham6755]

On this day you hear clearly

[@kreggkittredge253]

I was about too change the video...then I heard the epic interview

[@zigwald]

i was at every f-1 race in Indy. in 2004 Michelin tires failed just as much. the arrogance of Michelin was apparent. but you missed the bigger picture, Tony George was selling $85 tickets right up to race time. knowing there was no chance a full grid.as i was at the start/finish line, when the six cars left, NO one knew what was happening except me. there was no booing until lap 5. it was stone silence!!!!! as i explained to people 50 deep around me what was going on. oh yeah, Michelin was to refund the price of the tickets to fans. well i still have my ticket. and no way to recover the $150 price for it. i could go on , but no.....

[@spacemanmonster23]

why must a controversy be called a gate??

[@j1020-u2e]

I think because of the Watergate scandal that involved U.S. president Richard Nixon back in the early 70s. Since then, scandals and controversies often are named by having “gate” at the end.

[@jk_46]

Considering that Ferrari was fucked with the tyre rule to make them stop winning it was just a sad season all round. Would have loved to be able to see them all race it out with tyre changes to see who would win.. Then this happened to completely wreck that season that was already utterly shit to watch!!

[@fyrdraca77]

Typical of this channel....Michelin failed to build a proper tyre for this GP, and it still ends up being Ferrari's fault....go figure! The Michelin teams could have slowed down in that final corner....after all these stupid tyre rules had been introduced in the first place just to penalise Ferrari & Bridgestone that year...then when these same rules bit the Michelin teams in the ass, it's still Ferrari being the villains.....lol

[@AidanMillward]

Stephan Swain I blamed Mosley mostly, but sure, let’s make it about that.

[@fyrdraca77]

@@AidanMillward Come on you never miss a chance to get a swipe at Ferrari in whatever video they feature..e.g. the Ford vs Ferrari one...sure Enzo wasn't a 'nice guy', but you labelled him as the only guy who runs a team like that....I'm sure Ron Dennis, Frank Williams etc are all cuddly teddy bears to deal with. I like your channel when you feature non-Ferrari stuff, but you bias against anything 'red' ruins your channel overall. Just be objective mate!

[@AidanMillward]

@@fyrdraca77 I did one about Gilles Villeneuve where I didn't take a swipe at them if that makes you feel any better. I only told what happened here. Problem is- People hate it when they hear something they don't want to. F1 fans are allowed to take shots at Lewis, Stroll, Max, etc but as soon as it's about Senna or Ferrari here come the pitch forks.

[@fyrdraca77]

@@AidanMillward Well if you wanted to mention Ferrari's attitude towards drivers being killed, why didn't you mention Campari's death in 1933 and how that affected Ferrari in further relationships with his drivers? That would put it into context, rather than the usual 'Ferrari villains' shade you portray. But hey, it's all England uber alles / Ferrari bad for you. Take off the blinkers. Sorry but I'm done following your channel.

[@AidanMillward]

@@fyrdraca77 Cheerio.

[@justinmitchell5660]

Definitely pit, I remember watching that race. I thought at the time that it was too dangerous to add a chicane before the final corner at such a late point

[@TommiMakkinen]

apparently the 6 people that disliked the video are Ferrari or Schumacher fans...

[@cbr3220]

why do you say that? i am both by the way

[@AidanMillward]

@@cbr3220 Most Ferrari fans can't take a joke, or the truth.

[@cbr3220]

again, i am a ferrari/schumi fan and i'm not surprised that jean twat and ferrari had contributed to this massive fuck up.