A FAIR Solution for Unfair Verifications (CBF Adjusters)

[@baniduno4786]

Robtop add cbf and permanent platformer saves in less than 5 years challenge (UNFEASABLE)

[@baniduno4786]

Robtop actually work instead of nitpicking what levels should be rated according to his bullshit taste and standards challenge (INCONCEIVABLE)

[@tessal6555]

Don't tell this guy what compiling in programming is.

[@tessal6555]

@@baniduno4786 I definitely agree on the rate standards though lmao

[@novelGD]

honestly the problem is cbf is lwk broken lmao, there are a lot of physics issues and platformer levels just are really buggy with it. for example try ziplash by colon with CBF enabled. thats kinda why rob's redoing his version of cbf

[@Brookeeeeeeeee]

​@noveldonut1271 this is why ideally, he should employ the help of syzzi since the way he did it was useful enough to work despite some issues. That compared with robtop's superior coding knowledge could make for a useful tool that is free to use for everyone

[@ohfrog8323]

let's say, hypothetically, i am a cbf blocker

[@saltyguykek]

and let's even say for the sake of argument that i was in the top 5 nullscapes by itskiba

[@JohnnyH-om3yx]

Then you are a FOOL!! CBF is FINE

[@R_Scrilla]

Ok, now if you were a cbf blocker, you also be my dirty little robtop right?

[@GDMakar51]

CBF Detected Loser! Click between frames is illegitimate and will not be allowed for use in Geometry Dash. Please disable the mod in order to play geometry dash.

[@TMR_Quang2024VN]

​@@JohnnyH-om3yxThen you are a kid

[@hstorm]

honestly a good solution for right now, this could also be a job for playtesters where some playtest the level with cbf and some without and they can compare any bugs/balancing issues

[@vv01dy]

h

[@boinqity4621]

just in general people need to playtest with different refresh rates and different mod menu settings more. i dont wanna have to sit there for 5 minutes trying to figure out what combination of physics mods the verifier just so happened to be using, the level should work for my preferred settings

[@hstorm]

@@boinqity4621 since 2.2 is locked to 240 for physics, it should be better for newer levels with the exception of cbf of course

[@Xw4-mc8ql]

honestly i think this is an amazing solution to the problem of cbf making levels easier or harder and is far better than nullscapes cbf blocker.

[@surroundedgd]

This a far better solution than literal CBF blockers like the one in Nullscapes. Allowing people to play with the mod still but also altering the gameplay for its difficulty to align closer to how it is without CBF (whether that be buffing or nerfing) seems to me like a perfect solution. Great first commentary video btw! ❤

[@LucasAPC06]

As a Nullscapes "playtester" (just tried the level after released), I tried the level both with and without CBF blocker. And I must say that CBF blocker is not annoying because it's just USELESS This because some "fp" are aligned with the hitbox limits, so if you click freely (not depending on frames), the level ends up to be MUCH, but SO MUCH harder with CBF than without it

[@DanielShaunCanlasAltes]

you do have a fair point tho

[@ussuriii]

I am very glad that you came up with this because it is a great solution to the biggest problem we’ve had with CBF, which was verifications, since verifiers had a massive disadvantage due to levels staying unrated if verified with CBF. I also think that adding full on CBF blockers to list worthy levels (and all levels in general really) was also a negative thing because as CBF becomes more normalized, which in turn, more players can play the game fairly, levels on the list and players are definitely becoming more influenced by it, so blocking the ability to use it would’ve result in less people playing the levels or just an unfair split. Being able to balance levels between CBF and non CBF users will definitely keep the list and the playing community, more balanced, thank you for implementing this, it’s great

[@voidcrypt]

*CBF Detected, Loser!* CLICK BETWEEN FRAMES IS ILLEGITIMATE AND WILL NOT BE ALLOWED FOR USE ON THIS VIDEO. PLEASE DISABLE THE MOD IN ORDER TO CONTINUE PLAYING.

[@zismale2505]

greatest yapper

[@ussuriii]

@@zismale2505 that’s my specialty

[@spook1152]

definitely a good solution to cbf, the only possible issue would be actually balancing out the cbf & regular version to be the same difficulty but beyond that its definitely one of the best solutions so far. great vid!

[@taiago_]

dope video my man viwi, thank you for making the vid and for having a brain 🙏🙏🙏 goat

[@FreddyFazGlitch]

That's... actually a good idea! When I initially started watching the start of this video, I was playing a game and wasn't paying much attention, thinking that it was saying CBF blockers wouldn't be a problem, which I disagree with. But after getting to the later parts and actually starting to listen to it, I do agree that changing the level to match level both with and without CBF is a great concept for the time being! Hopefully more people start implementing this into their levels.

[@marcus549]

This is by far the best solution so far.

[@Mist]

Thats really cool

[@dids5]

thank you for making this video, ive been saying this solution for some time now im glad to see its getting some traction ❤

[@viwigd]

Didn't even know you thought the same thing

[@dids5]

​@@viwigd i said it before in some servers iirc, its Fr the perfect solution

[@SamuelBolton-27]

Underrated channel

[@sc3dev]

bob ross livestream goes hard

[@martdemon3314]

ngl this is the BEST solution for evening verifications to normal completions with cbf this is a crazy idea and I just hope this adjusters are well made but thats probably just testing for evening the field between cbf and no cbf crazy idea ngl

[@vfxdraco]

Honestly this is a great solution because since it isnt just forcing you to play on 2.2 physics (which really isnt preferred because 2.2 physics are horrible) It makes the level more enjoyable to play. CBF Blocking really doesnt do anything but make people more angry because they cant play on stuff that legit makes the game more fun to play, but whenever your using a CBF Adjuster , it makes it more fair because of the small buffs it adds to make it as hard as vanilla (as you said) in order for it to be fair play. Great solution imo and should be used in nullscapes and all levels with cbf blockers.

[@tupanar4o]

Very fair solution to both sides, the only drawback is that probably they all have to be removed when rob adds his CBF to the game. Good video!

[@Owner187]

Finally the first commentary GREAT WORK

[@tahmiduddin1868]

Really good solutions just have to hope people will care enough about their level to do that

[@kubune.]

wonderful video, great job

[@Neomarbilan]

Wait, goated

[@sleepykoda]

Great video!

[@AarxyGD]

Honestly the 2nd best idea ive heard (first is to just not use cbf at all) but the thing is i doubt people will do this. Idk how many people would care to put a cbf blocker in the first place but i dont think it will be that many cases until rob eventually adds it to gd (will be different than current cbf but we'll have to see). The main reason people would care to put it in levels would be to cause drama and the best way to do that is to completely block it. But great video!

[@HamiltonHqmy]

Did not expect to see me in this video, thanks for including me! (Also I rebeat with recording this time)

[@viwigd]

I saw, good stuff man

[@elion4245]

can you please link the doc at 1:25 if it's public. Couldn't find it with the simple search. Always wondered if someone made something like that

[@viwigd]

docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1PELKsghNCSi60dpdSRaqIuWv8fRR8ApbVr6zNoLNgNo/edit#gid=1861726340

[@Ripplez99]

Viwi making commentary yessir 🔥

[@MasterMS-jf6om]

I like this soulution better then makeing a level unplayable but could this open the door for a future hacker? Can the list mods tell if somebody took off the cbf blocker/buffer thing in a level if somebody says its with out CBF but in reality was useing CBF behind the scenes. I think its good as long as we can catch if somebody plays the vanilla version with CBF and claims that they played the vanilla version with out CBF but in reality lied to the community and used CBF the whole time on the vanilla versions of the levels when they are not supposed to

[@krystalite]

while this is a GOOD solution for now, it's still extra work for creators and playtersters when it comes to verifying a level, which I think it's really unfair. It would be much better if the CBF is banned, but that's not the case so CBF blockers are the easy solution for it. You CAN'T force creators and playtesters to do extra work just because players like playing with CBF

[@sebastianespitia21]

Good idea 👍

[@superturtle6458]

sigma alpha video fr fr no cap on god

[@DimensionaIGd]

Some people are just making copies of the levels and are removing the blocker and are saying they are beating it legit still

[@andreycze]

Honestly a very good thing. But obviously its up to creators and playtesters to keep the buffs in acceptable measure, and they could easily ruin the whole idea if its done incorrectly.

[@nerveless1]

Holy dude that was like rly good

[@echoXD_GD]

good video 🔥

[@ThatLinuxDude]

Honestly, this sounds like an interesting and in a way unique gimmick in its own vacuum... though to be honest if it gets a recognised name in the community I'd suggest it be renamed to mention its auto-buffing-gimmick, e.g.: "CBF Buffer"... though also honestly it would be nice, for pro gamers, if there was the option to force the buffed state regardless for challenge-runs, etc.

[@SuperKiwiTawa]

Cool and all, but how exactly does the CBF adjuster affect the Yangire? I wish you demonstrated specific details about how the level changes, unless I just wasn't paying attention. Are hitboxes moved closer together to make ship and wave harder?

[@viwigd]

It just barely buffs random clicks throughout the level as of rn. I told Dorami how to make more changes if he wished, realistically it's still easier with CBF but barely, which is already lot better than a blocker

[@CrazyDarktos]

Awesome video viwi, dorami is very nice

[@exotreus]

If I ever happen to make a top demon, I'm asking any verifier to beat it locked to 60 fps without cbf, to make sure the level can be beaten without any modifications to the game

[@viwigd]

Yeah so it's never being beaten good job

[@4klegendaryyt379]

Yeah, like the hardest demon ever beaten wouldn't even be top 150 with 60fps/hz

[@paaroe]

great video and great solution!

[@Aerobrake]

interesting proposal

[@happyfishgaming68]

2:56 that video aged like milk (The nick avacado one)

[@Herta25]

In general, after using CBF, I did not feel any difference, it became even a little harder for me to play, so I refused to use this mod.

[@JGIA]

Good but also kinda dangerous (not the perfect word but I'm not native english so eh) solution Those adjusters should be made in colab with experianced players or else the adjusted version would be 5 places higher than the normal version, which is DEFFINETLY unfair

[@Slash_Dash]

Ok, but how would you accurately balance the level.

[@rockhole2008]

How does one know when making a cbf buffed version of a level with your adjuster that they aren’t overbuffing/underbuffing? Maybe I’m not understanding properly but I don’t see how it could be possible for a level to be the same difficulty with/without cbf if cbf users are given a buffed version of the level which uses imprecise/arbitrary buffs.

[@GPR_GD]

true

[@viwigd]

Playtesting

[@heli777]

if creators and verifiers want to be crybabies and hate cbf players - just add coins that are only collectible without cbf

[@magenta_b]

its a fantastic solution, with the biggest drawback probably being that it requires the most work out of all of them lol and also, if you really wanted to have the CBF and vanilla versions of the level be approximately the same difficulty, would verifiers have to verify the level twice for each version? i know that rob only cares about the vanilla version for the rate, but would getting 200% to verify both versions be best to truly test the fairness of the CBF adjuster?

[@viwigd]

Playtesting both versions extensively should be more than enough to make it great. Asking for a "200%" in levels that could be top 10 or higher is asking too much

[@magenta_b]

@@viwigd cool

[@dragonslayer-is4ow]

I guess u can just use auto verify for CBF version

[@argothapro1295]

I mean if a level doesn't just prevents me from playing it I don't really care if it's rebalanced or even just harder

[@joatchoum9301]

All the drama around cbf is just because of robtop and that makes me sooo maaad omg

[@JohanLiebert-t7u]

It would be almost perfect if the diffuculty doesnt change cuz of cbf and people with bad devices can play the game with no problems. If this is the case here then its really nice, if not is it possible to make it the way that I said?

[@viwigd]

That is the case here yeah

[@linkonit]

i dont think they should put stuff into the game to nerf/buff levels while using cbf, since in the future that would require a lot more effort to fix assuming rob adds it in officially, plus then the level is permanently harder for no reason

[@viwigd]

As stated in the video all it takes is deleting one orb, besides it would be easier if anything

[@bytelaw1711]

good shit chef

[@Dax_xq]

Nice idea but most people would still just delete the cbf blocker. Also Kosetsu’s cbf blocker didn’t work when I played it.

[@viwigd]

If you delete the cbf blocker it doesn't count as a completion for the demonlist, which is why it's meaningless to do so Additionally the kosetsu cbf blocker is flawless, you just didn't notice it

[@Dax_xq]

@@viwigd what does it do then. And also if rob is making his own cbf blocker what’s the point of the current ones

[@viwigd]

As stated in the video it buffs the level to a much much harder state

[@Dax_xq]

@@viwigd that solution sounds good but that’s one, a lot of work since you have to make two different versions of the level, and two, may not age well if the cbf mod gets an update or cbf gets added to the game

[@viwigd]

I addressed those points in the video...

[@Androwomeda]

honestly until cbf gets added to the game officially, i think people should use click on steps instead. it's similar to cbf in the way that it allows low fps players to play at the same level as high fps players, but it caps them to 240hz just like everyone else so it levels the playing field between people who use the mod and people who don't. rn cbf gives you an objective advantage due to the much faster polling rate and quite frankly it is by definition just straight up cheating.

[@lightningplaysroblox]

I use because I have mobile

[@dooblom]

why not just use physics bypass though?

[@Eyz5]

​@@dooblomBecause it's banned like everywhere

[@Androwomeda]

@@dooblom bc that is also cheating by giving an advantage that is unseen outside of vanilla by changing the physics.

[@Simone2611]

I think it's the best solution for everyone who play the level. Gl on the verification

[@sledge7459]

so how does it work? how did you make it so you only hit the skulls if you have cbf on?

[@viwigd]

It has to do with CBF using triggers differently and it's too complicated to explain in text, when The Yangire comes out people will be able to look at the editor and replicate it with ease. It's around 20 objects

[@Dorito0910]

Nice vid!!

[@S3N1YT]

Simple solution robtop adds cbf in vanilla

[@PK_Gaming727]

Cool idea

[@LigmaCarrier]

That is such an great idea

[@GDakselishere]

the people wants more commentary videos

[@cringyboi.]

It is a fair solution but i don't understand why not just make like a cbf list, i understand that it change drasticaly some levels balancing and overall makes the game diferent, but is kinda similar with higher fps and i dont think no one would do a nerfed version of list levels that balance the level to be more fair to 60 fps players, literally they have they own list, why dont do the same, if there problems playing a level with cbf like is the slaugtherhouse case just don't, like i don't see any mobile player complaining about tidal wave being unfair in mobile, i know is not the same but if you wanna play a level that doesn't work well with cbf just switch to normal, making a cbf list makes that levels that aren't verify with cbf preserves they dificulty because the opinion of the dificulty of a level from a cbf user wont be count to the actually list in the first place, i don't know if i am loseing something but i really feel that all this cbf drama is so unnecessary, i really feel that is that easy as to make a cbf list to end with this fairnes drama

[@whatercup5918]

2:40 I think he said he was going to reword the message

[@aidsen5621]

This is why he’s the goat

[@bytelaw1711]

i agree aidsen5621

[@slemns]

Yes !

[@peanutcoolguy]

this is a bad idea, buffing the level only when cbf is used to be as hard as when it isn't used just makes cbf obsolete what's the point?

[@viwigd]

It doesn't make it obsolete whatsoever, people play with CBF to have higher accuracy inputs that make the game much more enjoyable, virtually anyone prefers to cbf over vanilla polling

[@fwefwe_]

tell em 🤙

[@p6t158]

No way viwi creates good perfoming video and it not being a completions anyways yeah thats a good solution i don't even have cbf

[@ch1net]

Я ничего не понял. Но короче говоря вкратце автор оправдывает мод, который помогает проходить уровни, я правильно понял?

[@viwigd]

No, you did not 😅sorry

[@coldwoah]

[@langdeshawn]

Dorami Send Us Here

[@Cole-Nano]

yesa

[@baconmonke]

fair solution: stop allowing cbf and allow clcik on steps on the demonlist

[@SuperCharryaBloopersX3]

womp womp cry about it cuz I use CBF

[@baconmonke]

@@SuperCharryaBloopersX3 none of your completions are legitimate also cbf barely does anything to bloodbath

[@SuperCharryaBloopersX3]

@@baconmonke lmao cry about it cbf is legit

[@baconmonke]

@@SuperCharryaBloopersX3 for what reason is it legit? by definition it's cheating, as you are breaking rules (240tps limit) to gain advantage (over those who choose not to cheat)

[@baconmonke]

@@SuperCharryaBloopersX3 you are a cbf carried fraud and you will not admit it

[@THETRIPLESPIKENOW-l3b]

:)

[@MelivaVT]

I love this idea, my only problem is that i don't really like the rating system, and i think people should just verify levels with cbf and the demonlist should allow unrated levels, that's my opinion lol, now i just wanna see the comparison of cbf vs no cbf on The Yangire

[@jariwoud5444]

This solution is probably the best we can get for now. Of course, if rob were to properly add cbf and all the bugs/balancing issues would be fixed that's even better, but that ain't happening because rob is a stubborn guy that does not want any help with making one of the largest games more enjoyable. Great video that explains your point of view tremendously well, the only complaint I could have is that there are a lot of pauses in your speaking

[@extazy9944]

i wish cbf was never made

[@LandetGD]

The issue with this solution is that cbf users use cbf to make the game feel as easy as it was in 2.1, buffing the level to only cbf users makes, in the best case, using the mod useless (which is still a reason for cbf users to complain) and in the worst case, two different versions of the level, which I imagine can become an issue to the demonslist if they want to place the level correctly. Imo the correct approach is to just let players use cbf, the person who used cbf knows the level wasn't meant to be played this way and its his fault if he experiences issues with the balancing and such. Im not a top player tho, not even close to that, feel free to correct me if my solution to the issue is flawed or something

[@LandetGD]

Good video btw, you explain your point very clearly and its very well edited! Hyped for more videos if you plan to make them

[@viwigd]

The mod isn't just used to make the game easier, it's used to make it more enjoyable. Dying by a pixel over and over is a perfect example of vanilla input polling being unenjoyable. This concept merely makes levels equal difficulty regardless of whether you're using the mod or not, giving fair play to all, as it should be. If people complain that the mod doesn't make levels easier that's just embarrassing EDIT: also, when it comes to list placement, the easier version is placed, as stated by the rules. No issues are created there.

[@LandetGD]

@@viwigd alr ty for the reply, that clears up all of the doubts I had with this method, I just hope this is actually used and people will stop arguing on twitter and discord abt cbf, im really tired of hearing abt it 😭

[@dragonslayer-is4ow]

omg are u a genius lol. ALSO I hate CBF but CBF blockers are just shit cuz u just cant play anything. I guess it will be fair for both the sides without any complains. WOAHH

[@ryan_rally-x]

ive been playing gd for over 1 year and ive never installed a single mod or extension, and ive beaten 2 extreme demons. in conclusion, i agree with kiba because i feel like cbf was just made for top players such as doggie to get that satisfaction sooner and i disagree since the longer it takes to accomplish something, the more satisfaction you will get and cbf just throws that out the window

[@Tit4-2tat]

In my personal opinion you should be allowed to make cbf "blockers" but they are really stupid, and just add artificial difficulty for no reason. Like straight fly spam makes for better difficulty than cbf blockers. Btw Wawix main f'ing point was too just delete them on a copy. They're completely useless because the people who use Cbf will still use cbf, and the ones who don't, wouldn't use it anyway.

[@viwigd]

Deleting them on a copy is meaningless because it doesn't count as a completion lmao

[@Tit4-2tat]

@@viwigd The thing is people don't care that much about it

[@viwigd]

If they didn't cbf blockers would've never caused issues

[@Bliger29]

OR robtop just stops being a dick and just let people verifiy levels with cbf

[@XQE19]

good video but i disagree

[@viwigd]

GIGACHAD

[@slowmovingtrains]

Bello 🍌

[@zismale2505]

?????? 💀💀💀💀💀

[@GmdMINECELL]

#allowCBF

[@GPR_GD]

literally makes cbf pointless, terrible idea

[@SuperKiwiTawa]

Please explain

[@GPR_GD]

why the hell did I make this comment 😭

[@Peruna0pommi]

🚬​@@GPR_GD