A Full Analysis/Guide of The Alt Floors - Do They Belong in Isaac? (2/2)

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[@papasfritas7156]

The alt bosses would be really cool to analyze

[@blizzylikeslego3979]

Yes

[@bernardoborges5038]

The fact that the aesthetic is so great that they make the OG floors feel basic tells you something

[@gillesparmentier1414]

I really like mausoleum and gehanna, but absolutely HATE the fact that you have to give up 2 hearts to go for it, its so goddamn punishing I never end up doing it

[@skelecrine]

I'm really glad having started getting into isaac when repentance came out. Unlocking everything in order makes tons of sense skill wise, as after I unlocked the alt path it was definitely a fresh breath of difficulty. I got isaac on switch as well, and find afterbirth plus much more boring and sometimes a bit too easy mechanics wise. Overall I'm glad repentance introduced me to one of my all time favorite games.

[@skysplintercell]

WELL I’M GLAD REPENTANCE IS ON SWITCH NOW AS DLC LIKE COMPUTER

[@jasan9973]

Dead Meats actually shoot Rubber Cement tears so they aren't "just a Womb enemy reskin".

[@mr.cobbweb1624]

I do think Gehenna goes way too hard with some of the enemies but I love the fact this floor (and Mausoleum) use more traps and trap rooms that are actually enjoyable compared to the trap rooms in normal floors. I'm very happy with the Alt floors' difficulty most of the time, I just wish that Mines, Ashpit, Mausoleum and Gahenna had actual incentives to choose them when not going with the Mother route. Downpour and Dross giving you a chance to get extra loot with the mirror world in exchange for risk is pretty nice and I find myself occasionaly going out of my way to those floors. Also, I don't think is necessary to make the second extra item from the item rooms aflicted with Curse of the Blind, specially considering that very few things can actually nullify it. Most of the Alt floors are enjoyable and people are overreacting to most of the Alt floors' difficulty (considering the requirements to unlocking them).

[@szymonwilczynski6870]

Mausoleum does technically give an extra treasure room and shop since Mauso 2 replaces Womb 1 that normally contains neither.

[@mr.cobbweb1624]

@@szymonwilczynski6870 Oh, didn't know that. Thank you for the information good sir.

[@cristianserrano6582]

I like that you said Gehenna every possible way except the right way

[@inaccurateprophecy8971]

I mostly agree with what you've said, I do disagree about the sentiment that old players shouldn't be upset about changes and nerfs in Repentance. If someone prefers the old ways of balance and gameplay in the AB/AB+, then they should be allowed to say as such, especially since Isaac's fascination with nerfing items is genuinely confusing at points like Revelation is just a better Brimstone instead of making it an Angel's equivalent. I watched an old Isaac streamer who played exclusively Rebirth when AB/AB+ launched because he disliked how the game was changed, and I didn't blame him for that. I really don't think people aren't giving this DLC a fair shot if they're going to be going back to older versions of the game since there is a lot to like about the DLC. Your personal preference dictates that the benefits outweigh the costs, and their personal preference dictates the opposite. It's as simple as that and I don't think complaining about it will change much on either side anyway.

[@TheVeryGenericUsername]

To be honest, I personally feel like revelation isn't that good in most of the runs I get them in. I might be unlucky but the runs I get it in are for characters who lose dps when charging like the forgottens, azazels, and t.lilith, or getting a spirit sword or when I've already picked up an item that makes charging for a beam impractical like polyphemus, ipecac, chocolate milk, or soy milk. I have the same problem with Maw of the Void which is the actual Angel equivalent. (Trisagon is the Brimstone equivalent)

[@bd1pLP]

i never said they were in the wrong for that, i just said give it more of a shot. tons of bigger players just constantly complain about the new mechanics and such without even giving them close to a fair shot

[@Nebb_]

Honestly dont get how people call repentance difficulty insane since well the alt floors are unlocked after 3 hush kills or something like that. Which means that players who started at repentance (including me!) Are very likely to be actually capable of dealing with the difficulty by that point in time.

[@armageddongirl612]

most of the people who say that either played on hardmode for the entirety of their lives, and then were dumbfounded at changes to it, or held R until there was a Tech X in the first item room. so, people played with the af+ hardmode which wasn't hard at all, beat hush 3 times, then, after repentance changed difficulty, went directly to the new content and did not have the right amount of skill to navigate them properly. it is definitely a player issue.

[@simond5598]

@@armageddongirl612 Also, most of them were just not used to new enemies patterns and mechanics after 2 years of the same, but new players were always unlocking new floors, bosses, enemies, etc. so it was just a new floor like any other

[@milkjug4237]

@@armageddongirl612 I still think Hardmode is the default mode tbh. Even in Repentance, it doesn't feel that much harder....ok, the shops definitely are so that's a thing.

[@sintheemptyone8108]

Just wait until Revelations is made compatible with Repentance, they'll be wailing over the damage reduction on bosses on those alt floors. Also, I thought you needed 6 Hush kills to unlock those. Not that I would be willing to start Repentance until I unlock the more powerful staples of AB+ plus the Lost, the Bone Club Boi & the Playable Greed anyway.

[@Maliwans_Executive]

See, I'm definitely capable, but I'm a dumbass and take dumb hits sooo...

[@mrworsethanall0102]

I came from antibirth and I liked alot of things that antibirth did thanks to my philosophy on how the game was TLDR, Rebirth was too easy, so Antibirth added higher difficulty while adding more to the game (not to mention for free), it was highly accessible, music being wonderful and had a great amount of buildup and nuance towards the new final boss, "The Witness" As a side note: im particularly not a fan of the side tangent against the players for complaining about the nerfs and other items, as they are valid to some degree, there are still things people are going to point out as bad changes putting them over the good stuff. Antibirth introduced Downpour, Mines, and Mausoleum Each floor having its themes grounded to some degree and with good music. Each boss was unique and head heavily telegraphed attacks which made them more fair than what Afterbirth+ introduced and the secrets to obtain each knife piece was unique, single puzzles, and most importantly, double item incentive to go there and attempt the harder floors. Expecting a direct port of Antibirth to Repentence would be disingenuous but AB+ was too easy while Repentence added, well, *more* In mausoleum i really dont like: Bishops can now attack Cursed Globins now regenerate faster than normal with almost no cap The 2nd Layout has been removed (its not needed but was an optional path to get more resources if you were lucky) among other things Id say that most of the criticisms levied were basically "Get good" mentality, which makes sense coming from a speedrunner *Call me crazy but I think that there was a lot of good but also a lot of bad people tend to point out but gets "shut down" by people who say they dont recognize the good in things*

[@whiteninji352]

10:21 This is probably due to Corpse clearly not having enough time put into it. A lot of Repentance doesn’t appear to be finished, and Corpse is probably the highest example of this

[@guydoesthings7580]

Birthright moment

[@thaumoking9947]

You didnt mention my absolutely favourite part of the Mausoleum Gehenna floors... That they are absolutely fool of little puzzles that give you rewards. There are other floors with this, like some rooms in Downpour/Dross and Mines/Ashpit (including a single room in the escape sequence which I love), but in Mausoleum it gets even better. You have rooms with hidden buttons behind pillars that open paths to rewards, rooms where a single bomb causes a chain reaction... Not to mention that multiple rooms with really strong enemies have a kill button hidden which skips the challenge The only complaint that I have with Mausoleum is that they removed the Hidden area which had even more creative puzzles and my only complaint with Gehenna is that the mechanic of blowing up the pivot of a spiked ball to unleash it is never used Imagine having to blow it up so the ball gets launched and pushes a button for rewards, it would be so cool

[@konsta3220]

For me Gehenna has the best ost of any floor in the whole game

[@KR_Kosmik]

Praise the fish god

[@fabianbalanca9648]

Yes

[@gubbey7737]

there is a very noticeable separation in enemy/boss design between pre-Repentance and post-Repentance. Repentance bosses, for the most part, have very sophisticated patterns, gimmicks, and phases compared to vanilla bosses. just compare The Heretic or Reap Creep to bosses like Loki or Mega Fatty. makes the main path feel banal by contrast.

[@bd1pLP]

it’s a double edged sword. The new bosses are super cool, but it does show the age of the normal bosses like you said, i don’t really know how i would balance that, but i hope they don’t take away any of the cool repentance features just to make repentance “fit” more into isaac

[@pandora5051]

fun fact: Poison mind was way before repentance but Repentance changed them to be more unique than just brain reskin

[@bd1pLP]

i was wondering why they were in the patch notes, i could’ve swore they weren’t new, this clears a lot up lmao

[@pandora5051]

@@bd1pLP also another change was for Blue Conjoined Fatty which were tinted blue originaly but in repentance they got resprited to resemble hush and got added to Hush floor red rooms

[@memesta2204]

dead meat isn't just a reskin, the bullets also bounce

[@twodragonsmessingaround]

Definitely an interesting analysis! I'm no speedrunner, but I've put maybe a hundred or so hours into repentance and I've found that I have a lot of differing opinions on many of the enemies, haha. (Especially the bag dudes in Mausoleum, I get hit by their creep way too much.)

[@mt2r-music]

Its so awesome the devs actually watched it

[@Fresh_Knight]

I honestly have more trouble with Maus over Gehenna maybe because I always liked trap rooms, I'm surprised how few there are because 2D Zelda has like 50/50 trap/enemy rooms and isaac is kinda heavily inspired by it

[@lorumipsum1129]

A lot of these enemies appear on the main floors in lesser quantities. The mausoleum ones tend too end up in depths, Sheol and cathedral

[@luiscesarmariafilho9475]

I gotta say, for as much as I like mausoleum in repentance, it could still be better, the cut content from antibirth and even the cut content that was going to be in repentance really brings it down a bit for me, they also nerfed the visuals a bit, mausoleum looked way cooler in antibirth, I also liked the separate side of the map with a puzzle knife piece too.

[@nonmagicalwitch]

My only problem with the Alt floors is that sometimes they are just not available to you. You have a good run, wanna go to mother, but you don't get a key. Or you don't get bombs etc. I like this investment style, but this can be so frustrating on a good run

[@dooderman8361]

I think the only problem anyone could have for it is that’s it’s too hard, I mean it’s literally optional so the only thing you can say is that it’s too hard and therefore not worth doing. I’d argue that that is what it’s intended to do, it’s supposed to be the ridiculously hard challenge like with characters such as Jacob/Esau or the lost (arguably very hard). It’s not supposed to be easy, it’s not supposed to be worth taking every single time if you’re a “perfect” Isaac player, it’s just supposed to be difficult enough to restrict access to end game bosses and prevent people from getting to them too easily, it’s an added layer of challenge to the game that is perfect because it’s completely optional.

[@NatalieExists]

I’ve been waiting for this

[@errorbte]

I genuinely never knew poofer was an enemy before this

[@BasementDweller_]

For me I’m disappointed that Mausoleum and Corpse got downgraded from Antibirth. They have cut many enemies and Mausoleum lost a boss as it was used for it’s Variant. Also I would have liked the run to Continue after the mother fight, maybe the Polaroid and negative path or just straight to the void.

[@SunDry_Marchy]

Really nice gameplay compilation, the talking dude was cool too.

[@me_exist2843]

I personally disagree with some of the rankings, like the "willows" (fire flies) are really annoying. I also personally like the mini boss enemies, like the gutted fatty is a fun enemy. (adult leach is bad tho). My opinion might weird, because I started playing repentance while previously watching afterbirth on youtube (never really watched antibirth), but I feel like alt floors feel like Issac, the floors are so dark and twisted that only a child can come up with them. The alt floors are nice, but they need improvement. I agree with part one and two for the most part, so a good video, would've been nice to see a review on the bosses (the strongest part of the alt floors in my opinion) .Sorry for long comment.

[@adriangonzalez2819]

Concuerdo en lo que dices, me gustaría ver algún mod sobre ello. Igual me ví tu video anterior sobre las salas de Ángel/Demonio y me gustan tus ideas al respecto, buenos videos :)

[@trentfowler1335]

Lovely, lovely, lovely! So happy to see this video. A shame that the corpse is a bit of a disappointment enemy-wise. I feel like it's missing one particular class of enemy, but I can't put my finger on it. Maybe it's lacking enemies that require more movement to defeat? That's all I can think of.

[@ironflash3]

I have almost every tainted character done and i did not know Cultists could revive enemies...

[@gamerwhoisbadatgames4722]

I wouldn’t even notice the change in gahanna, because thats how i play normally anyways

[@pikachufrankie]

TLDR: Brimstone shouldn’t have gotten nerfed, and nerfing the single most iconic item in this game definitely warrants complaints. Stop shitting on people for not liking that their favorite item got nerfed and outright replaced in terms of usefulness by a new angel deal item. Revelation moment.

[@bd1pLP]

sir this is a video game

[@bd1pLP]

it was nerfed like, ever so slightly, yall need to relax

[@pikachufrankie]

@@bd1pLP And this is a comment section, your point?

[@bd1pLP]

i mean you’re acting like i’m committing a crime by saying that the brimstone nerf controversy is stupid, it was an item that literally does a MINISCULE amount of less damage per tick, y’all act like it’s this untakeable shit item now when it’s just as good. If no one had told you it was nerfed, you literally would not have noticed

[@pikachufrankie]

@@bd1pLP Revelation moment.

[@ethanfritch4724]

These videos are ur best plz make more like this

[@victorkao1472]

Corpse feels really underwhelming, especially when you just got out of Gehenna where you need very fast reactions and lots of focus to get through. Alt mom’s heart is also a very bs boss if you don’t kill it fast enough. Desolate is a good word to describe it, but I feel like if that’s what they’re going for, they definitely could have done more. The enemies are also not very engaging

[@BasementDweller_]

Kilburn moment sounds epic.

[@gabrielandy9272]

i don't agree much with the criticism with ashpit and some alternate floors for me they are there to offer variety and they do a good job at it, alt floors should be a bit harder and offer a different feel, having more skeletons on ashpit is fine, just like the flooded caves focusing more on flying enemys and less fire is fine, its just a little thing.

[@juicebox3495]

"do the alt floors feel like isaac?" "does it matter?"

[@bd1pLP]

does anything

[@juicebox3495]

@@bd1pLP *sobbing noises*

[@vantacyan]

YES

[@badgerslord1215]

phenomenal stuff

[@mvo2201]

I did 100% repetance and didn't found a single flaggelant, didn't even know this mob existed

[@chinpokomon_]

corpse floor is just a place to relax after harder floors, collect hp, etc

[@starboypluto]

If would've been cool to have an alternate corpse some like the cadaver

[@starboypluto]

Or rigor mortis themed

[@periberry7345]

Commenting to help our boy out

[@itsjorge0477]

Let’s gooo part 2 boys

[@Idk_what_to_put_here]

If I’m right poison mind isn’t new so it makes sense that it’s basic

[@thsand5032]

One thing that I think you didn't highlight enough is how the difficulty goes mausoleum < corpse < gehenna the gehenna floor is based on a valley associated with disturbing cults, and I think that having it be tough is on point. And I think "B versions" of floors are interesting when they convey a similar yet different energy. Like you said, the mausoleum is a crypt where everything is alive, which is fairly disturbing. Gehenna, on the other hand, feels disturbing in another way. The first time I got to gehenna, I thought "that's it, I'm in hell". The floor is a temple of torture, and while mausoleum feels like you're coming in the middle of an abandoned crypt, gehenna feels like it was waiting for YOU, with the morningstars, the mockuluses (mockuli ?)... And you're going to have a bad time. Even the music (my favorite track in isaac) sounds like it's menacing you specifically. Gehenna lacks the feeling that most other alt floors have (and this is not a bad thing) - ie that you don't belong in here, that you're uncovering a kind of abandoned place. To me, gehenna feels like they were waiting for you to come. The one complaint I have is that the bosses don't fit that much - and the floor clearly lacks an emblematic boss (like Mausoleum has the Heretic, gehenna should have some kind of boss that is clearly here to get you and fits the trapping thematic of the floor) I also think you didn't highlight enough how the abundance of maggots helps the atmosphere of corpse. Most enemies here are kind of passive, slow, bloated, rotten and have a lot of health. The floor itself isn't even that hard, it just feels kinda gross and disturbing in its own way - and the soundtrack really helps with that. On this note, I think that Ridiculon completely nailed the soundtrack of this game. Every single alt floor theme is excellent and greatly enhances the playing experience imo.

[@disturbedpictures12]

Poison minds were here since around rebirth

[@jaxter6037]

I think in these videos you focus in the enemies too much time and it ends up sucking the video's duration. It feels more like an enemies review rather than the floor

[@bd1pLP]

i mean, the enemies are what makes the floor. I give my opinion on the floor and it’s aesthetic, there’s not much to review when room layouts are shared between almost all variations. it’s the enemies that make the floors

[@jaxter6037]

True, that's right

[@aSmallGreenDot]

Lol I don't remember ever taking damage to a cohort

[@disturbedpictures12]

Also it’s kineti I believe

[@spacer-lx5pq]

a bit of malding but great video

[@gayve1645]

banger video banger video

[@lucinafailure]

Bro in the description you linked a reupload of mudeth’s song when he has his own yt channel

[@ivalop02]

Me when he didn't talk about the bosses

[@bd1pLP]

i said verbatim that’s a later video...

[@ivalop02]

@@bd1pLP my bad then

[@Spamton1997]

Good video, but Dead Meat is not just a reskin of Mama Guts, it has rubber cement shots and splits into Cysts rather than Guts. Link to part of video I am referring to: kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXyTp5eNptt4maM

[@bd1pLP]

at this point in the run if dead meat is able to shoot shots you’re not beating mother

[@Spamton1997]

@@bd1pLP On most good runs the rubber cement shots won't really impact you, but they still exist and it isn't just a reskin. If you've ever went for mother as tainted lazarus you'd probably notice them.

[@angelogaray8019]

Weren't the poison minds added in AB+

[@explosiveass_bum5340]

yep, i think they were found in necropolis and womb/utero too. they were boring cause it was just a reskin of the brain but green. now theu gave it a new sprite and a floor to belong to

[@Sundruc]

WATCH YOUR DAMN CLOCK ALWAYS DAMN IT :))

[@Seltas-kv7px]

commenting to help the algorithm

[@ccfffvbbbbbffg1774]

If I had to say one thing about corpse it would be underwhelming. It's got a lot if good ideas but just kind of feels unfinished

[@kakashilover9231]

Part two!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kirbysuperstardeluxe9889]

yooo this is lit

[@Lennyverse]

Great video again! I agree with most of what you said, but i do not like corpse.

[@fimmy5022]

part 2 boissss

[@sereza200]

nice

[@femboyaliens789]

Yooo lets gooo

[@thatonekid464]

Wouldn't know I play ps4

[@danielsahlberg4576]

I feel like some of the enemy showcases were a bit too unrepresentative of what a real encounter would be. You can easily shake off a Flagellant (pronounced “Fla-gel-lant, not Flage-lant) and handily deal with a Gutted Fatty if you’ve already made it to that point in the run. Also it’s Kineti, not Kinet and it’s pronounced “Jehenna”, not “Gahana”.

[@applepie3683]

When I go alt floors, I always hope to get dross, ashpit and gehenna. It's not that I dont like the og downpur, mines and masuleom, but imo they are certainly very far from feeling as badass as those floors, and I find that their mechanics tend to get quite tedious except (mauseleum is the exception, bur gehenna is literally just mauseleum with more content) Gehenna also has what are my 2 favorite non final bosses in the game (horny boys and visage) So yea, I really love the new alt floors, but to me it's the new alts to those alt floors where repentance truly shines far beyond antibirth.

[@jamracoon55]

Day 59 of playing as the enemies WOO HOO PART TOO!

[@pikachufrankie]

Gehenna isn’t good at all. While I don’t mind trap rooms, the enemy design and placement is nowhere near as fun or intelligent as Mausoleum. Also, Mausoleum/Gehenna have the worst bosses in the whole game. I’ll die on that hill. 2/5 of the alt path floors aren’t good, so at least half of it is good. Is nice.

[@LuigisLegend]

wow im wasted 15 min over a dude simping for bad floors...

[@bd1pLP]

skill issue tbh

[@LuigisLegend]

@@bd1pLP they are empty and feel meaningles.espezialy corpse.

[@aborikin2764]

Mald

[@HotBaraDad666]

You remind me of that one certain soyboy that tells us just to consume a product and get excited for the next one. I'm not sorry, we should be able to criticize the game whether you like it or not.

[@bd1pLP]

you being able to criticize also allows me to praise, don’t be so one sided

[@ExplosivePine]

@@bd1pLP this

[@Rehyness]

I found it damn this guy needs a life

[@noahtheperson4079]

I know this is old but I can't just let Heerscherr stand alone hear. I agree that repentance had a lot of good but it also had some less good things. Telling people that they should ignore the flaws (item nerf, difficulty increase, making it to mother is very annoying) and only praise the game for what it did right is bad. My biggest complaint was you saying all the complainers are just bad issac players. You have no proof of that and even if it was true "bad" players can still give good feedback. A game should always be trying to improve and just singing its praises and telling the people criticizing it to get good will not help the game improve.

[@tesznye6992]

I personally think Mother is a dumb boss (both gameplay and story wise) but you made some great points

[@Deadflower019]

Gameplay wise, she's alright. Story wise... they could've done something more interesting than Mom. Again. It's why I only refer to it as The Witness, because that's cooler and more unique.

[@callum8093]

why

[@jameor8500]

the fistula attack feels impossible the second phases attacks are way too easy but i really like the cutscene

[@tesznye6992]

@@Deadflower019 yes precisely this

[@tesznye6992]

I think some her attacks are just really unfair, like that fistula stuff, also I don't really think she fits into the story. Like she symblises what Isaac thinks of his mom, cool, but we kinda knew that already, didn't we?

[@thosebastards4279]

"i found him super easy to deal with i always know where he's going to shoot" *gets hit at 5:39 * ????????

[@thosebastards4279]

all the b tiers are super easy to deal with you are just bad, did you start in repentance ?