A History of Windows Vista/Longhorn Development (Pre-Reset Builds)

[@Gunslingerwashere]

0:00 - Longhorn Concept Advertisement (Intro) 3:04 - Longhorn M3 (Milestone 3) (Build 3683) 13:08 - Longhorn M4 (Milestone 4) (Build 4008) 24:14 - Longhorn M5 (Milestone 5) (Build 4015) 33:35 - Longhorn M6 (Milestone 6) (Build 4051) 40:35 - Longhorn M7 (Milestone 7) (Build 4093)

[@seroujghazarian6343]

Gunslinger Actually, 4051 had two versions each its own milestone:4051.winmain was milestone 6 while 4051.lab06 was milestone 7

[@seroujghazarian6343]

Gunslinger And the one in the video is milestone 7

[@mrlucas1501]

I liked the one in 0:00 lol.

[@yigitgokbunar1294]

4051 is M7 and 4093 is M9

[@CastawayRJ]

Thanks for the times to when he starts moving on the on to the next longhorn build.

[@netsendjoe]

I was thrilled to be able to test many of these builds of Longhorn. Many of testers who beta tested Vista, urged Microsoft to reconsider. Many people felt Vista was not ready for public release because of the reset from Longhorn. There were many driver issues and performance issues that would later be resolved in service packs, but ultimately Windows 7 was what the vision was supposed to have been.

[@TSwany]

Do you know why the blue Plex theme changed to the Slate theme? Plex feels more complete and in-line with what the pre-reset vision seemed to be.

[@netsendjoe]

@@TSwany Normally when Microsoft was developing UI, it was always blue shades simply because the blue shades caused less strain on the eyes for those who used their computer all day. (Allegedly) Because if you've read about blue light and how it keeps people awake. I'm not sure exactly how the Slate theme came to be, but I was very happy with it. My only guess is that Slate was their early work at creating a dark mode for Windows. When they released Royale Noir for XP, I used it constantly and even installed it when upgrading clients computers. I should also note that early concept art for Windows Blackcomb which later became Windows Vista and fully realized in Windows 7 also came with similar UI styles that could be made dark through configuration. It wasn't until Windows 10 and some updates where dark mode would be truly realized, personally I prefer the black background with white text. I've been a closer and overnight worker for so many years so yeah that influences that. The light.. it burns us. LoL

[@maxtivey32]

I was one of the beta-testers for Vista, and while I fully acknowledge its flaws, I do still love using it. My old P4 desktop still runs Ultimate SP2 with no issues at all. No, it's not my primary machine - but still...

[@schmal911]

I just absolutely adore the whole Vista Aero experience. People can talk shit about the gloss and "controversial" design-direction all they want, but it had an utterly pristine, pixel-perfect attention to detail in its design that Microsoft has never replicated since. (I mean, you can tell a team of designers spent months refining every single layer on that start orb -- it is truly an immaculate work of art).

[@dolfies]

Did you keep any builds?

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Vista Aero and Aero Glass were just too impractically resource-hungry. In 2008, I could launch KDE 4 on my tiny Asus Eee 701 PC with its 900MHz uniprocessor Celeron, and run full Compiz 3D, transparency and other effects without lag, on hardware where Vista couldn’t even boot.

[@Dimondminer11]

Honestly I've used Vista in the past and couldn't really complain about using it. To me it just looked like Windows 7 and that was about it.

[@zank8470]

So you ran Windows Longhorn

[@joojoojeejee6058]

To my understanding, they reset the development because of stability issues. The codebase was too messy and complicated and they couldn't make it stable.

[@rusolarusso8372]

They make Longhorn based off Server 2003 RC1, just because has more security than XP. They could make LH based off XP codebase, which is basically 2000 code with extra stability.

[@ValevLaube]

Yeah as far as I remember it was a lot to do with WinFS which was extremely unstable eventually got canceled as a wholistuc project but numerous elements from it have been gradually implemented in Visa, 7 and now 10

[@dieguito0512]

I think Windows Longhorn was reset because the Windows Team was adding a lot of features that were supposed to appear in Windows Blackcomb/ 7, and also because the pre-reset versions of Longhorn were using the .net framework, which was very unstable at the time of Milestone 5 to Milestone 7, so Microsoft decided to scrape off the .net framework and the features that were added, and base the system off Windows Server 2003.

[@emirvmendoza]

Longhorn dot ms has a good explanation for the reset. No links. YT hates links.

[@emirvmendoza]

@Can Tin Try posting the link again. I'll see if it works.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

19:52 This was originally a feature of the “Cairo” object-oriented filesystem. Microsoft had been working on this since the 1990s. In the end, they could never get the performance beyond “terrible”, so they eventually gave up. This was another of the major features promised for Longhorn, all of which were scrapped before final release.

[@AshtonSnapp]

Object Oriented Filesystem???

[@McVaio]

​@@AshtonSnapp Object Oriented Filesystem.

[@SunnyShuklathedoctor]

The most amazing thing about Longhorn is that even tho it was made in 2003, it looks and feels like it would fit right into 2020.

[@jonas9]

@Jαԃσɳ S. / Wιɳԃσɯʂ Sσɳιƈ 2007 Windows Vista's Aero Theme*

[@RamseySchaefer]

Yeah

[@RamseySchaefer]

@@jonas9 yeah

[@RamseySchaefer]

@@camthesaxman3387 that’s what I like about windows vista it goes back to the windows 95 days that I never saw with the solid color and the solid color themes. Mostly in the set up screen but it’s still there!

[@MaxOakland]

I think it looks like a bad Windows XP skin. It’s cringey how hard they were trying to copy OS X instead of doing their own thing

[@altpersonas]

did you know build 4094 was compiled less than 6 hours before the reset?

[@Poebat]

interesting

[@starfrost6816]

ALL THE FEATURES

[@serouj2000]

Yoshi3000 not really, there was virtual destops that weren't in 4093

[@ArthurD]

And then reset happened. Say thanks to Jim Allchin, god damn his soul.

[@thatkindofboi9955]

fuck allchin

[@jrdavis1992]

5:44 - Centered title text can be found in the following: Windows 1.0-3.1, 8, 8.1, Mac OS

[@MichaelMJD]

+Jacob “Callsign SKYCAKE212” Davis ha! Guess I forgot about 1x-3x while making this lol. Thanks for pointing that out

[@subg9165]

Dont forget most Linux window managers

[@WindowsCollector]

4008's copyright date is 2006. Seems like Microsoft predicted Vista's RTM release.

[@youtubecom-wx2qw]

WindowsCollector2000 gm

[@masonsparkle]

*Or it could have simply been a typo,* similar to Neptune build 5079 being 5179 instead.

[@CNETech]

@Brian Stump Neptune builds existed before/after 5111, they just aren't leaked yet. 5179 was probably the last build before they scrapped the project.

[@livonium]

@@CNETech well they didn't scrap it, they merged it with Odysseus

[@TheCandoRailfan]

@Brian Stump he said 5179 was a typo. But builds before do 5111 exist.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

30:15 As I recall, Vista had to report its version number to apps as 5.1 rather than 6.0, because quite a lot of apps refused to install or run if the major version number was not equal to 5.

[@amoggoma430]

I love seeing how the developers experimenting with the UI/UX of the windows, and then scrapping it and come with new ideas.

[@linux_doggo]

"When you click on legacy notifications it brings up legacy notifications" that's some top tier observation Michael XD

[@namesurname4666]

yeah!

[@Crigence]

His commentary skills are pretty bad, honestly

[@alfos.192]

'Centered titles were a major feature on Windows 8.'

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

39:07 There was an extra fee that Microsoft charged if you wanted to be able to play DVD-Video discs on Windows, while MPEG-4/H.264 playback required no extra fee. This was due to the peculiarities of the licensing system from the MPEG-LA organization. Funnily enough, VLC could offer all these capabilities for free.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Who says you can’t use open-source software commercially?

[@simontay4851]

Screw the greedy MPEG-LA organisation. Of course VLC would play DVDs. It plays almost anything except midi files. They don't care about some stupid licence. It just works.

[@Gravarty]

@@simontay4851 VLC also plays MIDI files just fine. You just need a SoundFont to emulate the synthesizer.

[@circleinforthecube5170]

VLC is great

[@lorrewatkins5925]

Yea it was a very rocky time at Microsoft during the development of Longhorn/Vista, I mean I've heard story's that the devs where so disappointed at the way the whole development was going, to the point that basically some devs was threatening to quit there jobs and so on, and like you said Mike, they ended up scraping the whole project, and as I said, it was a big mess at Redmond during that time ! And if I recall, a quot from one developer said "I use to always enjoy going to work every morning, and now I hate it"

[@lieggio]

In my opinion, the builds from the 4051 are the ones that have the best look that Microsoft has developed to this day. Yes to me no other visual system is as well made and visually appealing as what was used in those compilations.

[@philklc]

Thanks for the compliation, this brings back memories of when I still have the time to tinker with leaked Windows builds! For build 4015, running it in a VM does not do it justice, you have to run it with a physical hardware. The tiles you see in various Explorer windows float and rotate in 3D, which does not work in a VM with no 3D graphics acceleration.

[@Disbanded9998]

Whos gonna use longhorn as their main pc tho

[@Patrick76496]

27:28 it's funny how they brought it back this way in Windows 11 about 17-18 years later Edit: Thanks for putting all the work to make this video, I really love your Windows development videos and I was wondering if you have something like that for Vista, and now luckily I've found that. I always thought this lost OS was pretty interesting and it was great to see how the Aero UI which is my favourite till this day evolved from XP's one. Cheers!

[@Soulfur]

they kind of brought it back

[@TheDiamondGames]

48:50 notice how movie maker looked quite professional

[@MichaelMJD]

+The Diamond Games yeah it did seem a lot more professional than any other version of Movie Maker. Reminded me of some old video editing software I used to use.

[@kahppachino6695]

totally agree

[@MondySpartan]

It resembled Camtasia Studio for me.

[@simontay4851]

But anyone who does real video editing would never use movie maker. There are several much better video editing softwares.

[@computerkid1416]

Following Windows development processes is interesting because it always starts out almost exactly like the previous OS, getting more and more different as time goes on. I've personally been a part of the beta process since Windows 8.

[@superstar64]

But you forgot to mention the “onghornLay rofessionalPay” era.

[@flip889RoR]

ahem "Longhorn Professional"

[@BardzoYT]

@@flip889RoR betawiki.net/wiki/Windows_Longhorn_build_4029

[@The-Cat]

@@flip889RoR Ahem Pig Latin strings

[@flip889RoR]

I owknay atthay.

[@McGeri]

wait that the heck

[@futurealarms121]

Don't know why Microsoft decided to completely reset development of Longhorn just because the developers were confused about what features should be saved for Blackcomb. Would of been much easier to just scrap Blackcomb and get development on Longhorn rolling. Work the bugs out, polish up the interface, decide on the theme, and create one great version of Windows. Would of been much easier than standing developers in front of a plain Windows XP codebase and have them start from scratch. Guess Microsoft was just too keen in having a sub-release between XP and the next big game-changing OS.

[@oemDef]

As far as some rumours go, the issue here was .net framework which was extremely unstable that time. And the point was that during pre-reset Longhorn development they tried to introduce not only too many features, but the most of them were built using .net. As a result the system was like EXTREMELY unstable. That's why they have reset the development. In Vista they tried to use a little bit more stable core than Windows XP and have got rid of .net framework apps/features or tried to rewrite them in the other language. AFAIK, the only .net app/feature in Vista is Windows Media Center.

[@serouj2000]

Brenden White most features were added in later versions, most of which are in windows 10

[@ephemeralViolette]

or just release longhorn instead of Windows 7

[@starfrost6816]

Longhorn was completely fucked. The developers also seemingly lost the idea of what stable code was and integrated anything and everything into the mainbranch longhorn code from their build labs, which resulted in massive memory leaks (explorer.exe etc) and even though windows main was supposed to compile daily they were only getting a build every 3-4 days because the code was so buggy it would not even build.

[@linux_doggo]

the thing is, Vista turned out to be the major release, 7 was a small release inbetween vista and 8, (with emphasis on SMALL)

[@ytawnr]

Before XP SP2, Windows XP shipped with WMP8 and not WMP9. That's why WMP9 was listed as a new feature.

[@jari2018]

serveral wmp9 versions and 10 had 10.5 later -the codec changes and the avability to rip in different codecs also and I think later maxed out at 192 kbps-I was used to rip at 256 or 320 wma

[@simontay4851]

Media player is bloated crap anyway. ive never used it. I use VLC, Media Player classic or Winamp to play media.

[@simontay4851]

For ripping, i use db poweramp.

[@ObjectPresents]

@@simontay4851 and now we have Groove Music on Windows 10/11. It's kinda unnecessary for you too. But why did you say WMP is "bloatware"? It's built-in and I think without it, you're screwed when playing music/videos unless you installed Media Player Classic [it's pretty much the same look as old Windows Media Player], VLC, etc....

[@smeil624]

Now that's what I call a great & informative Video!

[@XaneMyers]

17:30 Almost reminds me of Windows 10 with the Action Center, where notifications appear if you don't interact with them initially. Also, "legacy"? Were they going to come up with a new system and get rid of the System Tray? Interesting that is still here in Windows 10... 25:00 Ah, yes, they were going to turn notifications into this! I guess they did in Windows 10, anyways.

[@EbenezerScroogeMcDuck]

The concept video was brilliant and I wish it had been EXACTLY that, spinning 3D login icons and all. Guess the existing desktop environment couldn't do it. They've basically been reskinning the same desktop to present time, which is probably why the actual longhorn builds seemed to only implement hints of the concept vid's visuals. The build's visuals seemed a bit unimpressive compared to the concept. The Music folder was amazing. Folders as we know it are literally just windows with draggable files and not much else. The concept folders were more like full on information pages that only showed your files as cataloged lists, real impressive presentation.

[@Disbanded9998]

For real, every windows build is a skin of the other one

[@TSwany]

4015 is so beautiful! I love the start button, centered taskbar, and the plex theme as a whole. It looks about in-line with what the vision for Longhorn was. Add some transparency effects to Plex, patch up all the bugs and issues, and that was Longhorn. I have no idea why they just decided to allow it to spiral further when they had an ideal version all ready to go.

[@cesarjavierbarbosa8318]

39:05 Windows Media Player 9 was shipped with Windows XP Service Pack 2 that also introduced the Security Center.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

21:04 CLR - this comes from their using Dotnet to implement large parts of the core OS. Unfortunately, performance of Dotnet was irredeemably pathetic. Hence the infamous “Longhorn reset”, where they scrapped all that code and started again.

[@OCSreal]

honestly the fan made sounds really fit longhorn's aesthetic. atleast around build 4029. They feel so modern, the angelic sounds gives it a feel of like this incredible new thing. I would love for even the slim chance for those sounds to be on a real windows operating system one day.

[@cbawitlife]

dem tings aint fanmade. dey be repped in da samsung exclusive version of windows XP styll.

[@TurboPikachu]

0:00 That looks amazing, better than MacOS UI even. Damn

[@jbritain]

Concepts always do because they can have much more motion.

[@nabilbudiman]

@@jbritain sad that concept often doesn't meets reality very well, imagine that interface with all of the animation, movement, etc. you'll need a decent hardware to run it well

[@Sco1t19]

Even Dos is better than that lol

[@TurboPikachu]

Mr Banda both MacOS and simple MS-DOS are better than Windows 10

[@123phi123]

@@TurboPikachu MacOS/OSX and Windows 10 are the same league of suck. Microsoft peaked with Windows 7 and Mac never was good. Linux is the only good choice

[@sixfr0nt]

tbh i wish microsoft had kept the plex theme... it's gorgeous 💙

[@eMorphized]

They would have to make the colors editable, because not everyone likes blue.

[@HOVANA]

+Charlie Kahn That is easy to do.

[@Atlas-yh6vg]

Absolutely. It looked so great. The File Explorer and Sidebar at 0:25 are magnificent too! Those 3d things too!

[@Disbanded9998]

​@@eMorphizedI like purple better

[@broomer0]

I see that a lot of the new versions of programs were created using .Net Framework WinForms and WPF (Windows Presentation Foundation), WPF initial release would come in 2006, many years after all these development builds

[@Dr-Random]

28:45 message says: that camel text doh

[@NatetheNintendofan]

Hi Vista home predeum

[@WindowsXPFrog]

I actually really like that plex theme with the side bar like tha. I wish we had more theme options in windows 10.

[@pelgervampireduck]

I loved that theme, I wish it was avaiable for either XP or 7.

[@FubarMike]

such an interesting development process leading up to such a lackluster final product. Such a shame :(

[@NijiDash]

17:06 “We have Search, which doesn’t seem to be working” When has Windows Search ever worked properly 😂

[@farmervillager1376]

Like Always?

[@Remastered-StyledTutorials]

It always worked, Linux User. You probably never used a Windows OS.

[@NijiDash]

@@Remastered-StyledTutorials Never used Windows? That's quite an achievement right there! Joking aside, I use all kinds of platforms and Windows Search is pretty mediocre. I'm not going to list all the frustrations I've encountered using both the search function in the start menu and in Windows Explorer, but having to install a third party tool in order to fix this basic functionality tells a lot. Just because you don't have any problems with it, doesn't mean others don't experience problems at all. Getting all emotional and making assumptions over a piece of software... smh. PS. I've watched one of your videos and they really take me back to the old days of tutorials. I like the novelty of it.

[@donadams7469]

Never really worked worth a shit but I usually only use it to launch command prompt so really don't bother me much shrugs

[@tanline6662]

@@donadams7469 Same, I know I could just use Run, but Windows Search is the only way I can open cmd as an administrator efficiently

[@Inescapeium]

24:27 See what we mean, Longhorn never used those 'aaaahhhh' sounds.

[@MondySpartan]

Some of the cut Longhorn features/concepts are reused in Windows 10.

[@someguy872]

Remixeyma nope

[@MondySpartan]

Some did also made it to Windows 8 too..

[@livonium]

WinFS and OneDrive...WinFS was neat, but thank god Windows 10 stopped opening Onedrive windows every 10 seconds.

[@computernerdinside]

They could've patched up/finished 4008 or maybe even 4015 and released that as "Vista" and probably would have been better off, given their goal was a gap update between XP and 7. Would've probably been easier on hardware requirements too, as Vista was demanding for it's time I guess, with Aero and all. Like the looks and everything would have been great for a gap update, it looks pretty good.

[@everettlee6580]

I really like the full-screen installation interface in Longhorn.

[@dimasdaffa5510]

30:09 the taskbar behaviour is actually how windows 11 should have that all the he program in center, start and search left, and the win 11 widget could be on left or right

[@Appleboy78165]

"You can have up to three solid colors in your media player. So that's nice." 10/10 BEST MEDIA PLAYER

[@GerbilNoises]

I wish someone would take these versions of longhorn compile all the features into one and tweak it to make it more stable. God I would absolutely LOVE that! So unique and useful.

[@GerbilNoises]

Except for anything past 4015

[@connormatthews9674]

That Wireless Presentation feature was in Vista as 'Meeting Room' I believe.

[@mayravixx25]

It's actually interesting to see Vista's history, since I always loved Vista for it's style, especially when it first released, it honestly felt like a huge step up from XP, and I know I'm not alone in that considering during XP's lifetime, there were quite a few custom-made applications that were meant to transform XP so it resembled Vista. Thankfully it didn't come with any of the downsides Vista had, but still, you can't deny that vista is pretty stylish-looking

[@jahkaboi3072]

Really good and interesting video. Keep up the Brilliant Work

[@MichaelMJD]

+MACE Thanks so much for watching! :D

[@slippy495]

"Also makes it crash, that was something that was in vista" Lol

[@AndroidSunner]

tbh looking at that longhorn concept ad, it may have probably been an asset/resource hog but hot damn does that look beautiful... i wish we had longhorn instead of vista now...

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

7:11 Avalon: one of the three or so major features promised for the final release of Longhorn - none of which made into that final release.

[@MrQuinnzard]

Avalon was codename for the Aero theme in Vista/7. It made it.

[@S2IFMADRIDISTA]

13:45 However, the fake Longhorn sounds were actually a real sounds but it was officially made by Samsung, and it has been originally made for their Windows XP theme...

[@User-sz1dn]

This video was made before the fake longhorn sounds were discovered to be from Samsung,

[@jliebermancore2]

4:18 my favorite startup sound

[@subg9165]

Jared Lieberman I prefer the windows 2000 startup sound

[@Dr-Random]

I like 7 and vista’s one (I like them both too) but each to own’s opinion.

[@inkoalawetrust]

windows longhorn had a much better visual style than windows 8/10

[@NichtMalte_]

Microsoft is currently working on a good new Windows GUI

[@inkoalawetrust]

Deabonniert Leon Machère! • Gonxu I bet its more modern bullshit.

[@yunglemonakis]

dude i juat made a video on how to have the longhorn theme, im not self advertising but if you wanna watch

[@soyoltoi]

I'll take windows 10 over this, thank you

[@davidsucesso2419]

So true... at least is fake 3D... i hate the new imposed style of 2d

[@Lumok7]

This Milestone Five build is dope

[@emirvmendoza]

The vision of Longhorn was really beautiful. Never thought the future (our present) would go with color tiles instead of polished glass.

[@MiroslavRD]

Expectation: Longhorn concept Reality: Actual Longhorn builds

[@davymachinegun5130]

Actually, centered title text comes from Windows 1.0

[@mariarala5452]

2.0, 3.0, 3.1, 8, 8.1

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

24:40 Do you know when Aero Glass made its first appearance?

[@ephemeralViolette]

I really wish they released this. I would honestly prefer this version over the final Windows Vista.

[@NomadicDmitry]

Also, one of the main reasons why this project was scraped is that there were bunch of memory leaks. It was especially visible on old computer which I used back in those days.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Which is odd, given that the whole point of the Dotnet framework which they were using was to get rid of programmers’ memory-management headaches.

[@NomadicDmitry]

@@lawrencedoliveiro9104 Yep, well I think it was more like a management problem. There were multiple teams working on different stuff and they had different vision of what the next Windows should be. But to be honest testing those Longhorn build was really fun. I remember I even installed it on real hardware (bare metal), was trying to use it as a daily driver. But well, I was a teenager back then - it was just for fun. I think that OS market in general looked more fun before mobile phones took place and nowadays it's all about just using a browser.

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

Using garbage collection for lower-level parts of a system that need to be efficient and not resource-hungry just doesn’t work.

[@LegoWormNoah101]

Seriously, the Slate Theme looks so good!

[@ismoyont]

the color looks so beautiful

[@RouterRoidz]

No. they use special windows longhorn sounds. you have to enable the sounds through the control panel

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

53:26 Very odd that 32 bits is described as “4 billion” when in fact it’s only about 16.7 million colours, after leaving out the alpha channel. By the same token, 16 bits should be described as “65536” colours, since “32768” leaves out the alpha channel.

[@MichaelSmith-on1ig]

Who else looked constantly at the youtube quality settings for the first 2 minutes?

[@lawrencedoliveiro9104]

56:02 Why would the feature have been restricted to wireless interconnect, rather than working over any LAN?

[@markusTegelane]

28:46 says "dat camel text doh"

[@MattAttacks]

28:45 "dat camel text doh" i know this is 5 year old video but what is that and did you put it into the video during editing progress

[@mrparalyzed6024]

28:45, there is a hidden text shown in 1 frame only. it says "dat camel text doh"

[@SuperMario231]

For those Windows fan who made fanmade sound scheme of Longhorn: System sound scheme of Windows Longhorn uses same sounds as Windows XP.

[@eupher2]

The beta sounds aren't fan made. They are official Microsoft sounds that were going to go into Longhorn, but when Jim Allchin ordered the reset the sounds were scrapped.

[@eupher2]

@Skytrace Ling OFFICIAL Yes I have, and they are fun to play with. But one of the builds has the sounds deep in the files, they just aren't in the list. I can't remember which build it is.

[@eupher2]

@Skytrace Ling OFFICIAL Yeah I'm the stupid person who beta tested all the builds from build 3683 to Vista RTM back in the day. I found the files on one of the CDs back in the day, but don't remember which one it was. Believe what you want, doesn't make me a difference.

[@InsaneEnergy]

@@eupher2 "these sounds exist, i'm not gonna prove it to you i'm just gonna say they do :^)" Liar.

[@eupher2]

You guys really have nothing better to do with your time do you? If you want prove find it yourselves. I have better things to do with my time, then keep going on & on over something that means nothing anymore.

[@tttdssdff2267]

I'd have loved to use Longhorn. It fits in the mid-2000's perfectly. Kinda sad how it got reset. I'd imagine the future to be a lot different. EFI SUPPORT IN A BETA OS FROM 2003? Heck, that would've probably REVOLUTIONIZED the whole market, maybe our tech would be a lot more advanced just because of that feature. Sad to see it dropped for 9 years until 8 came out. I also find it interesting how it mixes Y2K and Frutiger Aero aesthetics

[@Windows98-SE]

4:17 Michael : Sort of what a milestone is kind of... Me : Is not the Windows xp startup sound, definitely.

[@arturostinson4525]

Always loved the longhorn ui style

[@benw.4014]

Watching this on Vista. Yes, I use Vista as my daily OS.

[@Asameshimae]

Honestly I think that Longhorn came out much better than Vista.

[@விஷ்ணு_கார்த்திக்]

After the Service Pack 2 Vista is just as good as Windows 7, too bad the service pack was released the same year as Windows 7.

[@Resident007TVC]

+Ben W. I think Longhorn was better, but Microsoft didn't optimized it as well and wiped the project :((((

[@sirrh9812]

Vista wasn't buggy like Longhorn was, it was just a resource hog and had very high requirements for when it was new. You needed a top end PC of the time to run it smoothtly, vista had a bad launch but after a while it was fine and is just as good as 7, infact i'd say Vista SP2 and 7 SP1 are nearly identical with only a few minor differences like taskbar and included apps etc.

[@MondySpartan]

Please note that Windows Vista will end its support next year, so you better upgrade to either Windows 7 or Windows 10 (Which requires Windows 7 anyways if you want a free upgrade)

[@futurepaver2039]

They brought the 3683 build clock back to the lockscreen in 2012, about 10 years later with windows 8

[@SeanWallaWalla]

6:32 you missed something It says: _version 6.0_ Windows XP was 5.0 or 5.1 (I can't remember right now)

[@markusTegelane]

Sean Walla Walla xp was 5.1

[@SeanWallaWalla]

MarkusTegelane thanks for the reminder!

[@SashaboxEntertainment]

Windows 2000 is Windows NT 5.0 and Windows XP is Windows NT 5.1.

[@seroujghazarian6343]

2000:5.0 XP Version 2002:5.1 XP Version 2003:5.2

[@ephemeralViolette]

2000 was NT 5.0, XP x86 was NT 5.1, and XP x86_64 and Server 2003 x86/x86_64 were NT 5.2

[@lopezg8475]

Watching this at 1.25 I recommended. You'll finish the video faster and it sounds pretty good

[@ashisharky]

you are amazing.

[@MightyWinz]

Thank you

[@pvc988]

4051 seems like the major breaking point of Vista. MS tried to migrate into .Net and WPF as much as possible and Vista was a little bit too early. The only redeeming feature for Vista was composing window manager with hardware acceleration.

[@linux_doggo]

If Microsoft would still support Longhorn (Mainly the 2003 builds, those were the golden days of longhorn), I would consider installing it as my main. as it´s basically Windows XP

[@linux_doggo]

I am aware of all of its issues, I was talking mainly about using its Final version, had they not reset it and stabilised it. @Yue Ling

[@JoshSonic]

"How much blue do you want?" Microsoft in 2003: "Yes." Jokes aside, it is a beautiful look, I really do enjoy it.

[@ltxr9973]

Looks like the Windows Longhorn memes back in the day weren't wrong

[@kanyenorth3112]

The startup is so beautiful, happy and sad at the same time

[@xKyaroraine]

I just realized... Support for vista ends on 4/11/17

[@JustABoyo]

Oh XD

[@helpwanted134]

what support? xD

[@one_step_sideways]

Good

[@thescreemregular5168]

Yes ThaTs A R.I.P

[@DraconicMaker]

Percyyy for us that was a couple months ago i think?

[@zeroeffortmemes]

8:26 those buttons look straight out of MacOS X

[@nickygeeksterx01]

What a great video, good to see you use great software like VM, it almost felt real when viewing in full screen, I kept going for my mouse, loved the look and feel of longhorn, but then again I loved XP, so much so, that I have XP pro on my system using VM and a few Linux distros too. keep up the good work, nice one.

[@SpecialAgentOso]

Would the "3 pillars" be of any use today? WinFS, Avalon, Indigo. Are any of them currently in use in "updated/modified/watered down form" in Win11?

[@Jaguarek62]

Can you please remaster this video? I would like to hear more about longhorn. My most favorite unreleased os.

[@Jaguarek62]

@@ThatRandomToast but longhorn (before reset) has nothing in common with windows vista. It is standalone os. Well it is windows xp on drugs basically

[@skexofiner.nsystemz]

@@Jaguarek62 how?

[@ab.3800]

7:30 - that stripped background kinda looks like OS X tiger

[@cesarjavierbarbosa8318]

If you don't Activate Windows XP and bypassed it , explorer.exe will terminate every minite (whistler 2465 didn't terminate), Now on vista , you can bypass it "Use your computer in reduced functionality mode" since SP1 , you can use it as normally. Same as Windows Server.

[@TaffPlays]

To enable the sidebar in 3683 you have to right click the taskbar and go to Taskbar and Start menu properties and you can enable it from there

[@et_yt_official]

On one of the builds you could make the taskbar and sidebar into one sidebar

[@reallyboringindividual]

WPF is very much used since Windows 7 for desktop applications and since Windows 8 for also modern UI apps.

[@aque1840]

4:31 longhorn popup indentified itself not as longhorn xp but just xp

[@DeanStuff]

To be honest, I would have preferred keeping the original XP sounds for Vista rather than just placing them behind a piece of glass (Yes, the Vista/7 sounds are literally XP's sounds behind glass.).

[@livonium]

Well, you're not wrong, but you can't say there aren't any changes: the shut down sound was changed, the startup sound has changed, the hardware related sounds (USBs) are very close to XPs ones, but they're different from just putting the sound fmthrough the glass like the other sounds.

[@yeh4665]

DRINKING GAME: Take a shot every time you say UHM, you will not survive

[@albinrodriguez5215]

Actually, from the internet archive, i got a longhorn build that has included an custom or a "official" boot installation, which is so different than posterior versions, and being honest, i would love if windows consider to make an new installation similar to windows longhorn, the build is 4093 post reset (i guess)

[@Kitsudote]

52:47 that's a very kamikaze way of performing an operation: Do it, then crash 😂

[@gabe80million]

Nobody would believe me that those sounds were fake. I knew they were, I know my Windows.

[@clubphungarygameplayek3480]

I saw a video of them. They really are fake

[@triptheroad]

Xp originally shipped with media player 8 but got media player 9 in later distributions

[@reychandor452]

@@ThatRandomToast XP SP1 = WMP8 XP SP1 + MCE 2004 = WMP9

[@chaoszombie9995]

There has been tons of debate of who owned the Longhorn sounds.. do you know anything about that? Also when you install it does it keep the OS your computer originally came with or does it replace it? All the pops make me feel old man