A Human MRI? Doctor Reacts to WILD Sequence at UFC 246 McGregor vs Cerrone

[@BrianSuttererMD]

We now know she had a full, complete ACL tear. That doesn't change the teaching I'm trying to get across in this video. Exam quality is crucial otherwise you can't make any claims about something. Even if someone has an good quality, abnormal anterior drawer/lachman, you can't say partial/Complete/small/large. All you know is ACL is compromised. Especially without comparing to the normal other side to get an internal control, you have no idea what's abnormal movement on the exam

[@SkilledKill]

Nah mate. The doctor was right.

[@AlwaysBonpoint]

Dude just wanted an excuse to touch her up.

[@rickjamez4987]

Right. Looking for laxity.

[@shisheerhavangi1200]

@Brian Sutterer MD I guess the doctor came to such a conclusion through his years of clinical experience. He probably would have seen numerous such cases of ACL tear with similar presentation.

[@Dewyud]

Brian Sutterer MD We now know the doctor was correct. Lol. Great information though.

[@Riggpoppa]

Props for saying "specificity" like 4 times in 20 seconds without messing the word up

[@mustafaafzal4749]

Riggpoppa We all know he tried multiple times

[@Doorito_]

Especially considering he is Dr. Stutterer

[@Streetpfosten]

Yes, but he got the definition of it wrong. He meant sensitivity.

[@Burt_Sampson]

Hamez sb 😂😂

[@fedup961]

It's not that hard. He speaks English

[@hawk1093]

In defense of the ringside doctor, the reason he said to the ref "She has a SMALL PARTIAL acl tear, she's fine" is because the ref asked for the doctor to look at it, which means he was thinking about stopping the fight...the doctor likely knew the knee was injured, but he made it seem as insignificant as possible by using the adjectives "small" and "partial"... if he would have said, "Yea she might have a torn acl, the knee is compromised" then the ref would have likely called the fight. Fighters will fight through an injured knee, whether that's smart or not, but the UFC put a lot of promotion behind Maycee so there was pressure on the doc to basically do damage control, perform some little test make it look like he knows what he's doing, and then say whatever keeps the fight going.... at least that's what I got from analyzing the situation. Love your videos.

[@anthonyfranco4232]

The ringside doctor did know that her acl was compromised because he checked it. These type of doctors are trained professionals, they know what ligaments to check for in the knee. Why would the doctor "perform some little test to make it look like he knows what he's doing", when obviously he knew that he was doing lol thats what he gets paid to do

[@hawk1093]

Well, like Dr. Sutterer mentioned, he didn't perform the tests properly... they were more just a "show" for the ref I feel like, that's what I was saying...

[@heniemess]

@@anthonyfranco4232 ​if the patient is not relaxed then the hamstrings can tighten up and prevent the tibia from moving forward which could simulate an end feel which would feel like a ligament but it's just the muscle preventing the tibia from moving forward

[@BobIgerDisney]

Anthony Franco you obviously didn’t watch the video

[@matthewhorizon6050]

@Michael I'm an LCSW in NYS and practiced in the behavioral health field for nearly two decades. Trust me, there are practicing physicians who's lack of competence is alarming. Unfortunately, plenty of these inept doctors are "working their magic" in the world of medicine. Over the years, I've reported multiple physicians, not only because of a breaching of the bio-ethical code, but malpractice actions, which in my opinion warranted criminal charges. And I am a loose motherfucker who just chills and keeps to myself, but I swore to uphold an oath in protecting patients from these sanctimonious morons with the mentality of a cheeseburger. Most of them are from Arab nations. My guess is that it's both a lack of a high-level graduate experience and culturally related.

[@b1uezer]

(Saw an article today) Looks like it was a complete tear (probably tore the rest of the way during the fight?). So I guess the doctor was... partially right.

[@arizonatea3734]

The doctor gave a small partial correct answer yes.

[@kalekhalili8130]

Partially

[@markdrekaj7323]

Partially right sadly

[@johnfrenette]

“She’s fine”

[@NikolaTeslaEE]

I see what you did there ...

[@donnie1468]

He knew it was an ACL injury; he might've just claimed it was a partial tear so she could continue to fight.... He knows she didn't want the fight to stop

[@smac919]

that would be what is normally called... Illegal. He would be barred from ever being a commission doctor ever again.

[@Jmaug]

Definitely correct

[@ClarkKent-od4yr]

Truee as a boxer you never wanna stop even if your eyes hanging out!😂😂 if youre a true fighter the heart for the win is what keeps you wanting to go!😭😂

[@kwakufrempong9185]

@@ClarkKent-od4yr y im a soccer player

[@theroachden6195]

@@smac919 not illegal that's up to the fighter.

[@holdenmcgroin6621]

Well You Have to Admit he Was.. ..PARTIALLY Right

[@VeteranVandal]

@josh she'd probably say "i'm ok".

[@TheRedAnvil40]

Why did I laugh so hard at this?

[@grievous5243]

I thought it was weird watching this live haha man literally bent her knee and was like yup "Partial ACL tear".

[@BBRT24]

The doctor was right about her acl though...

[@maldy74]

@@BBRT24 no he wasn't

[@Eren-jd6yc]

maldy74 she has an acl tear. Hows was he wrong

[@cybererik1]

@@avantcampbell9532 Probably a partial tear at the time. He was correct.

[@Schatje79]

@Pompous Psycho you're trying way too hard to be right. Your need for that much control tells me you should probably seek counseling. I'm completely serious...lol The facts are: doctor suspected an acl tear without any way of knowing with 100% certainty what it was or the severity...yet claimed she was fine. Fighter was diagnosed with a complete acl tear. Doctor performed a cursory assessment with inaccurate results. Even if we pretend you're correct in all your "facts," allowing her to continue and blow the knee completely was a completely irresponsible conclusion. **Don't forget, seek help.**

[@randyjohnson2588]

Yea that test for the ACL isnt always 100 percent accurate doc did mines and said oh looks like no ACL tear. Got the MRI and the my ACL was torn😭😂 sadly.

[@Rambo17401]

Randy Johnson same here, was told I had a acl sprain, then found out I had a complete rupture.

[@regularstan6212]

THANK YOU

[@jgbradley85jb]

same my doc said looks like you sprained it......MRI comes along and ohhhh! you've got a 98% blow out do you want us to harvest the tendon from you or would you rather a cadaver tendon

[@sexysaurusrex548]

I don’t even have acl and mcl

[@kylebiggs93]

same.. complete tear.

[@onebuffalo5402]

I was waiting for this video given you cant diagnose a partial tear acl w/o an MRI and i just wanted to see your reaction lmfao

[@BrianSuttererMD]

I couldn't not address this...

[@farabove100]

@@BrianSuttererMD I would feel bad about myself if you didn't doc, thanks

[@BBRT24]

The doctor was absolutely right though, maycee tore her acl. So I guess you can diagnose a ligament tear without an MRI but, it is safer to confirm it with an MRI.

[@ashypharaoh8407]

@@BBRT24 It was a complete tear though, not partial, so he was wrong

[@ashypharaoh8407]

@Pompous Psycho Grappling doesn't cause ACL tears

[@aa3934]

Doctor was on the spot and he got it right. Major props

[@enabler2456]

@James sevensix Except maybe it tore all the rest of the way after his exam.

[@moody_00]

Enabler So the Doctor said she was fine when she wasn’t.

[@misanthrxpe2421]

@@moody_00 he said what she had, if she knew she had torn something, it's down to her if she wants to back out of the fight or not. If you hear the word "torn" and were worried about it becoming worse. Don't fight. It's like complaining that you have a small tear in a piece of paper yet continue to ruffle it around. She's a grown up, she knew what she was doing.

[@Jonathan-cz4ky]

Enabler So you’re going off of a chance that it tore all the way through? Lmao man people these days.

[@simonmcleish2703]

@@enabler2456 I have torn ACL meniscus right and left medial ligaments do for him to figure that out in ten seconds under pressure is pretty good. I unfortunately walked around......hobbled for two months in agony before any op due to my place of work refusing to take responsibility. As soon as went private a 30 min look at knee by a doc literally said exactly what I just mentioned. Very clever. Not sure how you take this in to MMA though. Do they stop fights? I bust my nose three times and last fight it broke in sparring but fine with it. Fk knows but interesting as not seen this before

[@BrianSuttererMD]

Barber very well could have torn her ACL, but there is a lot we can learn from about how this sequence went down and what we can actually learn from our physical exams.

[@MeanBeanComedy]

Hey, when ya gonna do a collab with Doctor Mike?

[@BrianSuttererMD]

Lol when I gave time to go to New York? Also doubt he's heard of me haha

[@MeanBeanComedy]

I'll tell him about you. Just let me handle it. He's definitely heard of Mean Bean Productions! 😤😤💪🏻💪🏻✊🏻💯

[@adamkhattak]

I think the question we should be asking is why did he perform the (modified) anterior drawer test if he ultimately was going to let her continue to fight irrespective of its outcome (as we saw). I don’t see much of a problem in how he described it to the referee because he was probably trying to simplify his quick assessment to let the fight carry on rather than get caught up in the unnecessary medical jargon

[@cam_raney]

Brian Sutterer MD do these exams cause pain? she seemed to have no limp before but after the exam she had one.

[@marcusosborne6123]

I tore my ACL a little over a year ago. Went to the doctor wanting to get a MRI and instead, I got the Lachman test. The doctor told me I had partially torn my meniscus and that I would be good to go after a month of rest. 6 months later, I went to a different doctor and had a MRI. The ACL was completely torn. Anyway the point is, if you can’t actually see the injury and can afford it/have free healthcare, do everything you can to confirm the diagnosis. Because I waited so long to get surgery, part of my meniscus was damaged and had to get taken out. FYI: there is no substitute for a meniscus. At the very least, get a second opinion.

[@m.a.4949]

Not even a new girlfriend?

[@Bleek17Six]

Holy shit god bless you bro...

[@BBRT24]

You got me a little shook, because my doctors did the Lachman test as well and told me I have a meniscus tear. I’m currently waiting on getting an MRI because the pain is sometimes unbearable and seems as if it’s getting worse. How was your recovery process?

[@marcusosborne6123]

Tommy - It’s good to hear that you’re getting a MRI anyway. I hope it goes well for you. However, if it is a torn ACL and you opt for surgery, I can recommend you an orthopedic surgeon if you are in the PNW. He’s was absolutely awesome. My situation was different in that I was never in much pain at all. Just a lot of instability. I think that’s what messed up the diagnosis and why it took me so long to get what I needed. But I’ve healed almost twice as fast as I was expected to. Whether that’s because of my surgeon or genetics (or probably both) I don’t know, but I wish you the same speedy recovery.

[@marcusosborne6123]

Bleek Cartier Thank you. You’re very much appreciated.

[@BratatoChip]

How could he just tell within 5 seconds like wtf

[@dwyanewade8645]

Experience

[@cinnamontea1]

Anterior draw test it’s tested off joint laxity

[@bradsvanfelds26]

He’s just checking for stability

[@WilsonRows]

Aaron Adams he just pulled the acl and felt the instability

[@smh02]

idk maybe cause hes a fucking doctor who went to school to study the body and human health and how shit works and when its fucked up or not, what do i know though im not a fucking doctor

[@DopeDominican2]

You do not sleep! Keep it up all your videos are amazing

[@GavrielSoriano]

When this happened I knew I could come straight here.

[@zacksanchez7654]

Legend has it that once he hits 200k subscribers he will finally sleep for once

[@Pfsif]

The blue glove was a MRI machine.

[@tonybehaviour9945]

The doctor had little time to his thing and he did a great job with the exam realizing it was a torn acl , but she wanted to continue .. A+ to the doctor for not taking that much time!

[@jdgormo9686]

He said it was a partial tear even tho there was no way he could’ve realised whether it was partial or complete and after the fight it turned out her acl was completely snapped and he never should’ve let her keep fighting

[@nunchuksteev9811]

Dude this guy calling out the UFC doctor! My man!

[@elliottjames671]

I watched the video and can confirm with 100% accuracy a 30% acl tear.

[@erixouther]

Damn, quick coverage. Power power doc, keep it up with the great mma content! Thx

[@tavitatoti6222]

She has a big reaction backward as he performs his quick examination giving away the pain she was going through... based on that reaction and his lil test he concluded right

[@firstname4337]

wrong

[@Gaddo_]

first name except he was right

[@jasonterry1959]

@@Gaddo_ He ended up being correct, but for the wrong reasons. He gambled.

[@4thsanchez83]

That doc was nervous and wanted out. So he made a quick guess.

[@pennyblue6372]

Pompous Psycho no it was a full tear

[@supjay3945]

Sounds accurate to me

[@willigagbob8243]

@clysses S End of round 2: Maycee walking around End of round 3: Maycee getting carried around I think it's safe to say it got worse.

[@willigagbob8243]

@clysses S got proof that it's not possible?

[@willigagbob8243]

@clysses S no, I'm just going by what I see, and she looked way more hurt at the end.

[@danielboback653]

should have added that he ended up being right. I think that he has felt a lot more knees and tears than you have. Experience means a lot, so he was probably 99% sure she had a tear due to whatever he felt and his vast experience.

[@BrianSuttererMD]

Nope. 100% disagree. if you were in medicine and specializing in this stuff, you would understand.

[@jahsilent1]

@@BrianSuttererMD nah dude u were wrong

[@jahsilent1]

@@BrianSuttererMD maybe u can't diagnose like that but clearly he can ... and really quickly.... but u might b better at KZbin lol

[@03bunnyhop]

awesome content. was really curious, youtube algo wins!

[@BrianSuttererMD]

Thanks!

[@jesuschristislord7754]

The algorithm is definitely cupping my ball joint.

[@derekderek2570]

To be fair he called the acl tear quickly with his method which is probably why hes a ring side doctor and you're a KZbin doctor.

[@SammyMakepeace]

Oof

[@DrDr-pg5br]

Roll credits...

[@scottjohnstone5551]

Brutally honest.

[@kyloshoren418]

jesus xD

[@sparkleyunicorn3546]

damn, that's cold. may as well just called the man a chiropractor

[@OmicronX-1999]

I actually saw this when it happened, and I did a double take when I heard the doctor say she was "fine" with a small ACL tear. No. No, she was very much NOT fine with an injury like that. That should have been obvious without even needing to watch the rest of the fight and how she couldn't even put weight on that leg. How exactly the doctor was able to diagnose a "small, partial ACL tear" with his hands alone is another layer of baffling, but his boneheaded decision to say that she was okay to continue fighting is the dumbest part of the whole thing.

[@33kindred]

DOCTOR DID HIS JOB QUICKLY AND GOT IT RIGHT. Period what’s more to say

[@gamingmidget]

@Asspop87 a stopped clock is correct twice a day

[@33kindred]

gamingmidget no kidding

[@dac518]

@@koolersprout3480 I got bad news for you, either get used to it, or you'll be confused your whole life. We only a few thousand years from monkeys brother, and monkey are just now learning to "make tools" aka sharpen a stick on a rock.

[@brandondaniels9471]

*_Joe Rogan Experience - Brian Sutterer, M.D._*

[@-Only.Facts-]

@Brandon Daniels and talk about what?

[@brandondaniels9471]

@@-Only.Facts- About your mom and about how you take things too seriously...

[@-Only.Facts-]

@@brandondaniels9471 huh? your mom thicc bro?

[@brandondaniels9471]

@@-Only.Facts- thicc af bro!! THICC A F!!!

[@megd7593]

If she did indeed have an ACL year, is it really advisable for the fight to continue? I get it, these athletes are tough, but is it worth risking an even more severe injury by continuing to fight? She clearly showed pain when the doc yanked on it.

[@martintooswoovy573]

Megan D and she yelped his agony when tried transfer weigh through that knee during a punch.. but I don’t think a fight should be stopped unless it’s neurological

[@Austin-uj5xd]

@@martintooswoovy573 There's plenty of reasons to stop a fight that don't involve brain damage.

[@stompingpeak2043]

Yea they should've stopped it. She had pretty much no chance of winning after that. Eventhough she moved on to break her opponent's nose

[@jonatopik]

I'd imagine having a leg go offline severely impedes a person's ability to defend themselves, and thus should definitely be grounds to stop the fight.

[@ClarkKent-od4yr]

@@Austin-uj5xd yeah truuee in my boxing match i cut a dudes under neath of his eye and they stopped the fight. Also to address the very top cmmnt NO its not advised to continue the fact he said slight and its okay keep going is a false positive one falsely saying "shes fine" knowing there after if continued nah she wouldnt have been fine positive for the diagnosis being she did in fact tear the acl. But youre right as a boxer myself when youve endured and bad injury its best just to cut it as a loss because if not there could be long term affect which arent worth the moment of glory tbh.

[@will37517]

Thanks for the video! I'm a student physical therapist assistant and asked my instructors about their thoughts earlier this week. They gave nearly identical responses. Thanks again for the insight!

[@bradylewis9698]

Love your videos man, you’re the best!

[@curtisspeedie9936]

So fast!

[@KingWayne714]

should he have let her continue?

[@JayEmGhost]

Her and her father confirmed today that she has a fully torn acl and will need a 9 month recovery...while I know it is not the best way to diagnose you have to understand the conditions it is between rounds they don't want to give her an extended break if she is still capable of fighting so I'm sure it was a rushed test. I would agree he still should have done it properly and should not have spoken matter of factly about the injury but more in terms of "her acl is torn it is hard to tell how bad, obviously it is affecting her, blahs blahs blah"

[@thermalgaming4710]

She’s doing it smart then. Most of the time nfl, ufc, or any other serious physical athlete will rehab like crazy thinking they can be ready in 4 months minimum. The acl has very little blood supply so its not fully healed and matured until the 9-10 month mark and even then most ortho’s will HIGHLY reccomend waiting a full year before returning to sports.

[@MR.G-417]

The referee is probably the person who requested the doctor to look at knee. Further more, an exam of a knee is almost certain. Her knee was injured regardless of the test and you will find out she did have a small patlrtial tear.

[@GreggAdventure]

Only one thing matters. Was he right? Yes he was. Epic.

[@jdgormo9686]

He wasn’t actually he said partial acl tear and it turns out her acl was completely torn and he should never of let her keep fighting

[@theroachden6195]

@@jdgormo9686 she continued to fight on a partially torn ACL and it continued to tear as she fought on. The doctor was right but it was her decision to keep going.

[@erikmenendez7491]

@@jdgormo9686 😂😂😂

[@Pfsif]

5 Seconds is more time my doctor spends with me.

[@zebical]

First video I watched on this channel was, I believe, the Dereck Rose injury one. Subscriber since. Was sitting in the pub telling my friends you'll be addressing this "in -field" diagnosis. Glad it is this soon!

[@bradleyjames3000]

Orthopedic Surgery student here... A few things of note: 1) The doctor in the mma video also had his thumb placed firmly into the knee which easily could gauge the condition of the ACL to an experienced physician. 2) A doctor only would need to compare the other knee having never dealt with this patient before. Considering he is ringside and watching her warm up and fight, he may be familiar with the action in her knee movements. 3) A diagnosis of full tear is not indicative of her status mid fight. A partial tear can become a full tear in a fraction of a second, especially in a fight.

[@BrianSuttererMD]

You can't feel the ACL on an exam like this. Putting the thumb there is actually not the correct position. Even if the test were done correctly, you still can't for certainty say partial vs full. Nobody commenting here is a physician so of course people see it was a tear and think oh wow his exam was right! But if you actually look at what qualified orthos on social media said, everyone was very critical of this at the moment

[@bradleyjames3000]

He wasn't trying to feel the ACL. An experienced physician in a specialized field such as combat fighting would be able to discern between a slight and full acl tear. Actually writing a diagnosis in a modernized hospital would of course utilize MRI equipment etc. You are correct that a thumb in that position would not be correct for the procedure you stated, but it appears to me he was using the thumb to both gauge her pain level and feel for movement more precisely. To reiterate he was not giving a diagnosis, he was telling the ref she was okay to continue.

[@2secondslater]

"Nobody commenting here is a physician"... Setting yourself up to fail again, Doc.

[@cjordan9]

Rogan is always overly dramatic

[@erikmenendez7491]

He simps hard

[@shlmel]

Great show. Very informative. Hope you interview on JRE

[@ericjones4776]

Okay internet doc... We didn’t have time for a 30 minute exam

[@Gaddo_]

A doctor virtually can’t ever give a diagnosis without having equipment, he made a call because that’s what he is paid to do, you can bring out an MRI mid fight, you have to go on what you have at your disposal.

[@tnkboy89]

Turns out he was right.. She had a torn ACL.. Now my question is was it partially torn at that moment like he said and then torn completely when she kept fighting afterwards?

[@BBRT24]

tnkboy89 I believe that’s the case, because she also grappled using that knee (pressure) and could’ve caused the tear to worsen.

[@maldy74]

false, he missed it, he said partial. Big difference.

[@thedreamsoldierful]

Doc just wanted to cop a feel lmao

[@onixtheone]

He’s wearing gloves

[@daydreamsfromplanet3252]

He was right about the tear tho

[@abg125]

What no one is saying is that the commission doc could have already have known she had a partial ACL tear from the pre-fight screening. YES it is possible and within the bounds of the state commission to allow fighters to fight these types of injuries...i.e McGregor at UFC 189...and if the dr felt no distinction from pre fight tests then that's maybe why he phrased it the way he did to the ref...Also if you've got a fighter adamantly telling you they are fine, in addition to the fact you're not checking the fighter on your own volition (the ref was the one who inquired for the dr) then that also could be why he said "...small/partial tear...she's fine" as opposed to just "torn acl"

[@shroudimmortal5109]

What was the big deal about a doctor examining a fighter between rounds. Isn't that what they're there for? No, I've never seen a doctor examine a fighter's leg, but don't remember seeing a fight where a fighter lost the ability to put weight on a leg before. I've seen doctors examine cuts up close and with a flash light though. He was just doing his job, but he did a poor job.

[@Schatje79]

I think that's the point, he did a poor job. If the doctor suspects, he should stop the fight. She clearly wasn't okay and an MRI would have shown that it was more than partial. Even if it started as partial, allowing a fighter to finish the fight and possibly exacerbate the injury is totally irresponsible.

[@jahsilent1]

@@Schatje79 poor job? How he was correct on the end

[@wrldgaming4558]

Seeing all these comments grilling the Doctor about calling it partial tear. He most likely called it that so the fight would continue. If he told he referee she possibly tore her ACL there is higher chance he stops the fight

[@Schatje79]

But that's his job, to protect the fighters ("do no harm"), not help move it along. Assuming the tear was partial to begin with is fact, allowing her to continue and blow her knee completely is egregious.

[@mediocrates1937]

@@Schatje79 The doctor's job is to assess whether the fighter can continue to fight.

[@Schatje79]

@@mediocrates1937 Part of that involves the risks involved in allowing it to continue. If a fighter has the arm broken from an armbar, the fighter could still fight but there's a significant risk to the hampered fighter and is typically stopped . Allowing a fighter with an obviously painful ACL tear to continue is crazy. Most fighters who have experienced them often make mention of how they'd rather break a bone than a blown ACL. The pain is worse, the surgery is more complicated, the recovery is three times as long minimum, and it may not heal up properly at all in the end, no to mention the rehab process. I can't help feeling it should have been stopped right then and there.

[@ezrabuckman2843]

Would it be different if he had said "I think she has a partial ACL tear" rather than confidently saying she had a partial tear?

[@ddb1014]

I'm no doctor but seeing as he doesn't have her in the proper position nor did he check the other side, he shouldn't have any confidence in what he thinks she has

[@starwalker151]

Yes because then it could be a differential diagnosis. I’m somewhat certain, if they would have stopped the fight due to his diagnosis and she lost out on money that she could sue him for wrongful diagnosis.

[@Shxwtime]

He should have said “she could have a partial ACL year” rather than saying she does. That would have been better than just saying she does with confidence

[@djbobby224]

@@ddb1014 he was correct is his assessment tho

[@cybererik1]

@@ddb1014 Yet, he did and he was correct. This doctor who made this video is a tryhard.

[@0828daniel]

As a massage therapist I could’ve told you that by the way she was moving, the way she reacts to the direct of her leg, and the movement of the leg.. it’s not like he was god.

[@jameslove4404]

That Rink Doctor is the ACL whisperer. Reports say complete ACL tear. Lol. Love vids.

[@SergJRamy]

Thank god u werent the doctor. U woulda stopped the fight 😂😂😂😂

[@painkiller5657]

So i guess the question everyone wants to know now is does she really have a torn ACL? Was the Human MRI correct?

[@stevebragan9078]

She did lol, round 3 was rough she could hardly stand

[@BBRT24]

He was correct! 😂

[@pwrman5000]

Love your videos. It’s awesome seeing the fight in side, and then seeing the medical side in regards to injuries that happen in MMA.

[@nkyryry]

Referees ask the Doctor to look at fighters. They don’t just come in the cage and check fighters on their own. The ref wanted her knee looked at. And without sitting there doing a 5-10 minute analysis in the middle of a fight. He checked her quickly. And honestly was probably right. At this point she probably did have a partial tear. By the end of the fight we now know she had a complete tear.

[@394mo]

That human mri comment was the funniest thing I heard yesterday.

[@KJRiotGaming]

Maybe he felt something? She did completely tear her ACL, it was confirmed by her later after the fight. Not trying to be a contrarian, just saying maybe there was something he noticed that could only be accessed being in the ring touching her leg.

[@shrutefarms4741]

KJ Riot he said partially torn tear. Turns out he was wrong. It was a full tear.

[@KJRiotGaming]

@@shrutefarms4741 Could have been partial at that point, she did continue to fight.

[@shrutefarms4741]

KJ Riot true just really weird that he stepped in at all. Highly irregular in a fight to have a dr assess a knee.

[@KJRiotGaming]

@@shrutefarms4741 As I said, he may have seen something and perhaps the UFC is trying to be more on top of injuries. I have no doubt that Sutterer is good at what he does, knows far more than I ever will, but that doesn't mean that a keen eye or feel couldn't catch something that another didn't. Perhaps it was a guess, but none of us know, all we do know are the procedures normally used, and that the ringside dr was correct.

[@shrutefarms4741]

KJ Riot Dana and Joe both commented and didn’t understand why he did that. Never been done before and prob won’t again.

[@ruffiovega6999]

As someone who is training to become a MMA ref and was a former Emt this actually was very very awesome to watch an learn . But I can say that the ref DID ask the Dr to check her out because she was limping in the end of the last round so he asked

[@unbroken5885]

You are the most doctor looking person I have ever seen.

[@fausto412]

Learned that apparently an acl tear is "fine"

[@Taylzz]

It's partially fine!

[@lukeinvictus]

It is fine in an mma fight. Enough adrenaline to fight through it, usually. Not making that up, Conor mcgregor, Robert whittaker and Thiago santos fought through ACL tears, and 2/3 went on to win and the third was a split decision

[@NickKarlin7010]

Typically a professional can tell if your ACL is torn. MRIs are just a formality before surgery

[@r.c.6940]

i highly doubt that

[@Still-Sitting]

I tore an ACL in 2000. First doctor did same exam and said it was a sprain. No need to worry, go back to work. Knee was deep purple at the time. Second orthopedist braced himself like he was doing lat-pulls and my knee moved so awkwardly that he said, “enjoy your year off”. One thing I’ve learned is doctors assume they’re right, and can be very stubborn. Maybe it’s from writing published papers, or 12 years of school, but it sometimes causes suffering and lack of attention. Great video

[@BlzNetwork556]

You ignoring the circumstances. His job is also to pay attention to the ring action, so he already had multiple signs of an knee injury And he also has to act fast and give quick judgements to make sure they aren’t letting someone fight who cant defend themselves She was fasho limping so something was clearly wrong. Closed fracture or muscle tear - doesnt really matter at this point. He was confirming that it wasnt serious. If it was, she wouldnt have been able to do the quick test without resisting or with any substantial bending + flexing But thanks for your insight & textbook knowledge I def was educated by your breakdown

[@gilbertrivera1319]

Imma tell you something that you may not know about me Joe Rogan..,.... I smoke rocks

[@rickirazerblade9983]

@A Beach Rocks are ON the ground; same as people. Why cannibalize a rock when there's already cannibalized plants in the ground. checkmate crackdome

[@jahsilent1]

Lol save Chappelle lol

[@zsac18]

Or maybe he was the one that got away from Area 51, it aint that far away *looks for some aluminium foil*

[@ClarkKent-od4yr]

Brooo you need to be a ring side physician! No joke youre so enlightened and awesome no joke.

[@jamestierney7123]

I just found your channel today. Great information as clarification. Thanks for being ethical and keeping accountability in a very professional way. Doing exams correctly matters, Keep doing and calling it correctly 🙏🏼

[@sillynelson1]

Maycee “Sage Northcutt” Barber

[@loucipher6839]

he looks like he’s has lots of experience, some people are good at doing their jobs, after so many years it just becomes natural, he made a good call...

[@Nick2JZ]

Like your videos.........the way you talked made easy to understand and follow. Thump up!

[@boredprodigy]

I believe you got specificity confused with sensitivity but otherwise great video!

[@vladimirlopez7840]

I worked with this doctor for several years. Maybe he chose to use an improper description but in the end he was correct. He is a very good doc and I’m glad I worked with him and got to pick his brain from time to time. He is also a big patient advocate and tries to always do the right thing.

[@joshuashipley8523]

So basically this dude is about to get fired

[@KJRiotGaming]

Doubtful..he was right

[@AI3JeWelz]

So like every other doctor?

[@joys8634]

@@AI3JeWelz he was right though. the guy in the video is a joke

[@soonerborn7603]

Jo Ys If someone falls down grabbing their knee then I’m willing to say “yep, that’s an ACL”. Maybe I can be a doctor...

[@joys8634]

@@soonerborn7603 are you trolling? the acl is inside of the knee, so certain movements and pressures will cause movement of other bones if it's broken. Anybody could learn what doctors do, but I wouldn't trust one that didn't go to school. The guy in the video honestly wants validation lmao with that ad revenue of course

[@psychopunk8817]

Yeah that's the same test they did for my knee. Turns out I had a full ACL tear.

[@HolyMoose]

What doctors kept calling a sprain for 3 ER visits, my physiotherapist told me my knee felt lax and my acl might be torn. Got the mri and turns out it was fully torn.

[@CarlosPerez-cf9ek]

The doctor did his job. Took as little time as possible so the viewers could see a fight. Even if it was a full tear when he checked it (btw his exam was trash but given the circumstances I guess it was decent?) she would have been fine. The damage has been done and she wanted to continue the fight. Numerous athletes continue their sports career without an ACL. 1 test will not give you a yes or no answer. Multiple tests can make it MORE LIKELY said Injury took place so it’s better to cluster tests together. Overall great video and great job from the team MD. Very informative and Joe Rogan should totally bring a credible healthcare professional (MD, DO, DPT) on his podcast to answer some questions.

[@BrianSuttererMD]

This is a very good comment and thank you for actually trying to understand what I was trying to say

[@BrianSuttererMD]

This is a very good comment and thank you for actually trying to understand what I was trying to say

[@TheTommy9898]

Well, apparently he was right. She completely torn her acl

[@shrutefarms4741]

Tommy Leung then was was 100% wrong. He told the ref partially torn. Regardless, name one other time in the ufc a doc came in to look a male fighters knee in the middle of the fight with no visible injury.....crickets.

[@cybererik1]

@@shrutefarms4741 How do you know it wasn't partially torn at the time he called it? You don't.

[@shrutefarms4741]

cybererik1 that isn’t what I said. Reread both comments. He was wrong in his assessment , not partially right. He let her continue based off a partial when in actuality it was a full and he should have stopped the fight if he felt it was so important to interrupt the fight. The point being....WTF was he doing in there in the first place. They would never do that for a male fighter and have never done it before.

[@alvin101978]

Shrute Farms Why do you keep bringing up that they don’t do that for male fighters. It doesn’t matter.

[@FlurryMainchin]

@@shrutefarms4741 firstly, you're saying two unrelated things and acting like it's one thing. The doc being right or wrong has absolutely nothing to do with whether they do that with male fighters or not, so it's legitimately stupid and makes it seem like you don't understand how language works to then say "the point being..." when nothing your saying has anything to do with "the point". Secondly, cybererik1 owned you already and you're acting like he didn't read your comment when you obviously didn't read or comprehend his. Macy had a full tear after the fight. Fighting two rounds on a partial tear can do that. You put "100% wrong" when it's equally likely for the doc to have been 100% right, it's stupid af to think that her ACL injury couldn't have progressed, which you would have to believe to make the assumption that the doc was wrong. We only know she had a full acl tear AFTER she fought for two more rounds on the "partial tear". Whether it was full or partial at the time the doc examined, the best fucking reference you have is the doc himself. You're just acting like know-it-all brat. And nobody respects your opinion when your paragraphs are so disorganized anyway as per my first point. It would do a lot of good for society if people like you were capable of embarrassment...

[@bproducer]

How the hell can a doctor say "partial ACL tear" and "she's fine" 🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️🤷🏾‍♂️

[@benforst2287]

I don't know nothing but that ring doc just might be a MRI machine....

[@theabstract4936]

I mean to be fair that doctor probably has 20 years of more experience than you

[@BrianSuttererMD]

If he's not trained in musculoskeletal medicine, then I have more experience. Fight experience? Of course he's more experienced and better. I'm just talking about the ACL exam that he performed as if it was the first time doing it :/

[@BrianSuttererMD]

It's important to know your strengths and limitations. If you aren't experienced with ACL tear exam maneuvers, you shouldn't even be trying them in that setting, let alone making a diagnosis that is improper to do.

[@veeinh]

The Abstract lmao. Get wrekt son. Sit yo ass down

[@theabstract4936]

Brian Sutterer MD yeah I mean fair enough I can’t disagree with you on any of those points.

[@theabstract4936]

Ven you need to relax.

[@JS-fn2rm]

Thing is, idk why they stopped the fight in the first place to check. Even if there was substantial noticeable damage or a dislocation of the patella etc. that isn’t a reason to stop the fight.

[@radicalbarrel2729]

J S right, if the person can’t fight then don’t stop the fight

[@cashonly2539]

That ring-side physician is Mr. Bean trolling.

[@patricknarea5283]

The 2nd most WILD thing about this video, is that it hasn't been flagged for copyright.

[@user-yj5gh3cw9k]

Doctor ended up being right though

[@Schatje79]

The issue isn't whether he was right or not, it's that a cursory test isn't 100% in the evaluation of what the injury is and arguably more importantly, the severity. Plus, it turns out it was a complete tear...not a partial. Devil's Advocate, allowing an athlete to finish a cage fight (assuming it was partial which isn't a fact) and giving the knee the opportunity to be fully blown is incredibly irresponsible.

[@lile4life713]

Thank god I didn’t pay 85 bucks for that 40 second fight

[@Madaragun]

There were 6 fights. You pay 85 dollars for ALL the fights that's on the card not just one. What kind Of UFC fan you are if you don't even care about the other fights smh

[@dc5577]

45 bucks would be more reasonable

[@trdkhalil3942]

64 over this way.

[@daniyalahmed687]

@@Madaragun A fake one.

[@griffin12aaa]

Plot twist: she actually does have a small acl tear

[@cmighells1997]

Rogan wasn’t shocked at the fact the she had a partial tear or whatever it’s the fact that they had a doctor come in a examine mid fight or in between rounds giving her more time to recover or rest.

[@a1738k]

Masvidal or McGregor? Who you think wins that Brian?

[@BrianSuttererMD]

McGregor

[@zeezus890]

Brian Sutterer MD I respect you as a doctor Brian but Masvidal would literally murder Conor

[@a1738k]

@@zeezus890 Masvidal would "fuck that little guy up" as he said 😂

[@Wilton24]

Nope, Conor will Counter K.O. Masvidal.

[@comeoniknoweverything8227]

@@zeezus890 All these new casual Masfans ,dude is a career gatekeeper

[@TatooedDoc]

I a an ER doc and a competitive grappler. It was an amazing show of hubris IMO. I believe the doc wanted his 30 seconds of fame....but did not calculate that he would be watched likely by thousands of doctors maybe hundreds of which know more about acl testing than him. The worst part was his diagnosis, which could have put the fighter at excessive risk..."she's fine"?????? Hello? Did u watch the preceding round? Do u understand the effect of adrenalin? The fact that Macy was occasionally screaming out in pain, and her leg was unstable tells me she was not "fine" I have ruptured my biceps in competition to an arm bar and felt nothing but a pop and continued the match for another 5 minutes. Adrenalin will mask a lot of pain. that stooge needs to go....and I am happy to step in for him lol.

[@Dark14495]

In Mexico my doctor checked my knee injury which was a stretched ligament the exact same way among more different angles he also checked my ACL that way , and it cost me 40$(2019) for the initial check up and 10$ for really good medicice and even gave me a full leg brace for 10$ more, in the US it was an estimated cost of 2400$ because i would have to go to the ER get checked up, xrays, and i saw on my cousins previous ankle injury a month prior that using the mri machine was already 1248$ the rest was the medicine and the check up

[@jackv7094]

Respect for uploading this video quickly

[@Jorge-wg9tq]

Here's your problem, he was correct.

[@jahsilent1]

Lol ikr all be talked here

[@jahsilent1]

This whole video is a joke the doctor was right....people can do things u can't what's new....make a video saying the human mri is real

[@GreggAdventure]

THIS

[@MegaSchew]

the human mri IS real....

[@zachs1568]

I've torn multiple ligaments in both knees. I've gone to knee specialist to review before an MRI and they called what it was every time by doing those lachman tests.

[@alexryback8253]

Dang that’s crazy

[@notachili-head]

Once you said specificity I subscribed. Thank you for studying hard. You'll make a good doctor.

[@joshrose2488]

Maybe I've had the good fortune of working alongside great physicians, but I believe the general public would be astounded to realize how often these diagnoses are correct without the aid of MRI and other such testing methods. Sometimes further testing is absolutely necessary (and required per protocol), and sometimes testing is just a formality or serves as a method to confirm a diagnosis. I've seen ACL tears be diagnosed accurately many times with quick manipulation. Just like any other profession, human error is to be accounted. Contrary to common logic, just because a person was able to complete medical school does not necessarily mean they make a great doctor. On the other hand, some people turn out to be phenomenal physicians. We really don't know what we are observing in this situation. Though I believe Joe Rogan is an innately intelligent human being, the professional scientific community could probably confirm that his medical and scientific knowledge is limited at best (despite the confidence in his tone).

[@jasong2005]

It's not that the Dr. couldn't be right with his quick examination, it's that he couldn't be 100% positive due to not performing the examination fully and thoroughly. For example, as an auto mechanic you can simply describe the issue your car is having and I'm going to have a good idea of what is wrong, but I'm still going to confirm that with the proper procedures before I start replacing stuff. Same idea. The real question about this is why they had the Dr. check in the first place (I've been a UFC fan from almost the beginning and I can't recall seeing this happen before despite some obviously injured knees) and since they did check and the conclusion was that she had torn her ACL then should the fight have been allowed to continue?

[@Claude225]

Imagine going to a youtube Dr

[@jahsilent1]

trying to look like the better doc and proved the ufc doc is way above his paygrade or experience.... he should make a video on how wrong he was...

[@Derbs603]

Love how you get these videos up so fast!

[@sebulbathx]

Was thinking the same that no way he could be that sure and specific after that short test. Great explanation. Thanks!