Can always count on you, Alexander to provide the definitive review on landmark releases
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Well, we always try hard 😇! Thanks for sharing our passion...
@asprinama2 жыл бұрын
It' cannot get any better than this. It is just astonishing. Thank you Alexander
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
That's in fact watchmaking at highest level, not to say the best you can buy for money...
@asprinama2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I cannot contest your knowledge of the watch market but I find it hard to imagine what can be better in terms of price/quality ratio. But even if that is the case, I presume there's only a handful of watches that would beat this beauty. Thank you Alexander for sharing this to us mortals
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
@@asprinama What ALS delivers in terms of quality and (low) quantities is what the real word LUXURY stands for…. Any question?
@asprinama2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor all clear :)
@atreidis39462 жыл бұрын
Great video and great slogan "The biggest value of the company is this people..." The new Zeitwerk is again phenomenal and outstanding in the watch industry.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
True! True! True! Thanks for sharing our passion!
@NicholasSadlier2 жыл бұрын
Lovely watches... and a 'timely' reminder that 'digital' does not mean 'electronic'! A wonderful marriage of analogue and digital!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
That's a beautiful mechanical antidote to the digital world!
@tbd16132 жыл бұрын
The greatest watchmaker in the world. Great interview Alexander.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
What a compliment! Thanks for sharing our passion…
@sadaka2012 жыл бұрын
Anthony de Haas' passion is legendary! No wonder, since this piece is an example of sheer beauty! Thanks Alexander for showing. Wonderful!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome, thanks once again for sharing our passion!
@antonioferreira29962 жыл бұрын
It is a pleasure see Anthony de Haas talking about A. Lange watches.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
I could talk all day long with him...
@impexRQ2 жыл бұрын
OMG / just pure pure art - my grail
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your passion with us!
@linslins48602 жыл бұрын
Your over reacting! Its just a piece of metal
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
@@linslins4860 Really? Never mind!
@vamosdaniel222 жыл бұрын
@@linslins4860 so why are you watching if you dont appreciate the art of this?
@linslins48602 жыл бұрын
@@vamosdaniel22 my poop shape has more art than this.. 🤪🤪🤪
@zelimircabraja7529 Жыл бұрын
This masterpiece is worth of any penny. Congratulations!
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
A. Lange & Söhne stands for super exclusive watches, done in the best possible way…
@ALEXAlex-yn4zz Жыл бұрын
this is such a great interview, he explained the manufacturing process in such a good way.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion!
@alexanderherzog74672 жыл бұрын
Pure, fascinating Art👏👍🏻
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Watchmaking at its best!
@robertp51232 жыл бұрын
An amazing brand. The Zeitwerk is a beautiful timepiece. I love how A. Lange & Sohne has created a school with up and coming apprenticeship. I find this fascinating and also smart by the company.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts with us! It is the future of the company… The earlier one starts the better watchmaker he will once be…
@jal2550 Жыл бұрын
The Zeitwerk is my absolute Grail watch!
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion!
@lukejames6208 Жыл бұрын
Me too! Which one is yours? My grail is the Lumen
@jal2550 Жыл бұрын
@@lukejames6208 I mean, as long as we're dreaming here, the Platinum minute repeater 😜
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
@@lukejames6208 Lumen too…
@vishalkalra24312 жыл бұрын
The Zeitwerk is art at it best made by the passionate few !
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Well said, thanks for sharing!
@masterwatch2 жыл бұрын
fantastic, my favourite Lange.
@stevenuk2 жыл бұрын
brilliant watch.
@TheOrthodoxMachine2 жыл бұрын
This watch has been my grail from very early on in my watch collecting journey- one day. Thanks for presenting this mesmerising piece of art and science to us.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion, I keep my fingers crossed!
@mcm3672 жыл бұрын
Great coverage of this beautiful piece!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
I am happy to read this, thanks for sharing our passion!
@Talon1732 жыл бұрын
What an incredible video., what an incredible company! Forget about the ‘holy trinity’ ALS blow the rest out of the water right now. ALS, JLC, IWC are my favourite companies right now. Innovative, customer focussed. One word. PASSION!!…push piece with an inverse action….very clever.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
And don’t forget… ALS manufactures only 5000-5500 watches per year…
@Talon1732 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor indeed. Amazing company….this is what watchmaking is about.l.pure art not investment
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Everyone wanting to buy/owning an ALS should see it that way...
@watchenthusiastlondon2 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much and bravo on another superb scoop, Alexander. It’s beautiful and appears ever so subtly more elegant than the original, given the tweaks to the proportions. Would love to see it in person - lucky you! Anthony de Haas is pure class - as are you - and you always present a conversation of equals & ask the questions that I want answers to. Thanks for flagging this release video with me and for another fantastic interview 👊🙏👏
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Oh yes, I must admit I very much enjoyed the moments during filming. For me the Zeitwerk is the mechanical antidote to bits and bytes…
@pruteanu62 жыл бұрын
fabulous brand … their pieces are pure art
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
And on top very rare, since only 5000-5500 per year are manufactured…
@toproll85142 жыл бұрын
Pride Instruction to Patek Owners: - Pretend you haven't seen or heard anything and continue the journey. Thanks.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
🤣
@christiandude68892 жыл бұрын
And again, a really stunning video from you Alex. This time about Lange‘s 2 ed. Zeitwerk. To me one of the most beautiful watches of the manufacture in Glashütte. Best regards from Tirol.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion and your kind feedback! Indeed, this is one of the most exciting watches manufactured in Glashütte...
@GC2TEJJ2 жыл бұрын
Diese Uhr ist für mich der „Heilige Gral“ aller Uhren. Auch wenn ich mir so etwas vermutlich nicht leisten könnte, ist es doch schön zu sehen dass es so etwas wunderbares gibt. Danke für das zeigen dieses Meisterwerks!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Gerne! Danke für Dein wunderbares Feedback!
@charlieboylol5272 жыл бұрын
The best , sublime timepiece’s,one day I hope 🙏
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion! I keep my fingers crossed!
@АлександрМегафон-т8м Жыл бұрын
Lange❤❤❤Beautiful watch👍👍👍
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your passion with us!
@vidsantoro2 жыл бұрын
Amazing interview
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion! What about the watch? Any thoughts?
@lukejames6208 Жыл бұрын
Lol I can’t unsee the T-shirt bridge now
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Prominently visible… Yes!
@miguelangelojf2 жыл бұрын
What a beautiful watch and movement!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
The art of watchmaking!
@andreaargelli29342 жыл бұрын
Fantastic watch
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
True! Thanks for sharing our passion!
@robertmarr8991 Жыл бұрын
Stunning watch
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion!
@a.w.50612 жыл бұрын
White dial looks beautiful 😍
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
That is the platinum version...
@NeoWahNahАй бұрын
Amazing! One day! I will own one!
@WatchAdvisor3 күн бұрын
Thanks for sharing! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
@Thiccolo2 жыл бұрын
Man if this was durable for daily wear it would be bought in a heartbeat
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
May I ask: What are you doing on a daily base, so you can’t wear a Zeitwerk?
@Thiccolo2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I work with my hands alot, I am a server maintenance technician. So I am arm deep in pc hardware. I would shed a tear if I was to smack a watch like this and it stops ticking
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
I hear you, thanks for sharing!
@eustab.anas-mann9510 Жыл бұрын
@@ThiccoloYour a server tech with a 100 grand laying around?
@Orson9902 жыл бұрын
Marvellous piece
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
In fact it is! Thanks for sharing our passion!
@petersampson52022 жыл бұрын
DEAR ALEXANDER, GOD BLESS YOU MY FRIEND. I AM VERY PROUD OF YOU AND VERY HAPPY FOR YOU. I HOPE ALL OF YOUR DREAMS COME TRUE. I HOPE YOU HAD THE BEST AND HAPPIEST CHRISTMAS OF YOUR ENTIRE LIFE AND THE BEST AND HAPPIEST 2022 OF YOUR ENTIRE LIFE. THE WATCHES ARE ABSOLUTELY BEAUTIFUL. WOW! 🙏 SINCERELY PETER
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks again Peter!
@petersampson52022 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor YOU ARE VERY WELCOME ALEXANDER. I AM FOREVER GRATEFUL AND THANKFUL. MR. ESPARZA AND ALL OF MY BEAUTIFUL FRIENDS ARE BEAUTIFUL HUMAN BEINGS WITH BEAUTIFUL HEARTS. ( I WOULD ABSOLUTELY CRY TO CELEBRATE CHRISTMAS, BLESSINGS AND LIFE TODAY) I REALLY WOULD CRY!
@Moe90rules2 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor you mean to say: THANKS AGAIN PETER! :D
@leeharding83062 жыл бұрын
Stunning workmanship 👌🏼 such a incredible watch and if I ever win the lottery 🤔 such a interesting nice bloke too 👍🏼
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your passionate feedback! I keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏻
@laurencefahey20852 жыл бұрын
I was invited to your harrods boutique to look at this new zeitwerk, it’s so beautiful and stand out design is incredible, I got to try it on and spend time talking to the lovely silva who was hosting the exhibition. I will be placing my order in the not too distant future . In my opinion it’s the perfect first Lang to own . A LANG & SOHNE watches are by far my favourite in the world 🌎. Can’t wait to be part of this unique brand
@laurencefahey31322 жыл бұрын
Sorry my spelling was incorrect as I wasn’t concentrating , Lange with an (e)
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your thoughts and passion with us! Let me know if you have any questions and please keep us posted…
@laurencefahey31322 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor absolutely I will let you know when my decision is made , the datograph perpetual has also got my attention, 2 very different watches , my aim would be to own both , just trying to decided which piece I choose first , as there would be a 2 year gap between my purchasing of both these watches , A LANGE & SOHNE has me hooked like no other watch maker ever has , I own various other brands , rolex, Tudor, tag , Cartier, breitling ,zerowest , Raymond Weil , omega and of course a G SHOCK. which would you choose as you first purchase ?
@laurencefahey3132 Жыл бұрын
@@Zeitwerk £88.300.00
@eustab.anas-mann9510 Жыл бұрын
@@laurencefahey3132 Did you get to buy one?
@rickjason2152 жыл бұрын
It actually looks pretty simple. Of course it is a handmade work of art, but the beauty of it is that you can read the time, without having to figure it out. I don’t understand the screw, but do I know.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your passion and thoughts with us!
@jamied9312 жыл бұрын
This watch looks so great
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
And the technology behind is stunning as well... Thanks for sharing our passion!
@GrafZahl132 жыл бұрын
Fantastisch 👍
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Danke für Dein Feedback! Hast Du ein Zeitwerk schon einmal in natura gesehen?
@watchchat2 жыл бұрын
Amazing 🙌🏼 😍
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Well true... 😉 May I ask: Did you have the chance yet to see/touch a "Zeitwerk" in real?
@mark106012 жыл бұрын
Another beautiful video. Thanks. 👍🏻🇬🇧
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
You are very welcome, I am happy to read this!
@nikkolomakaveli82952 жыл бұрын
This is such a cool watch
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
The mechanical antidote to bits and bytes ...
@pauledbrown2 жыл бұрын
Zeitwerk is a cool watch
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
A mechanical antidote to the world of “0” and “1”
@pth88882 жыл бұрын
My grail watch!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing your passion with us!
@pauledbrown2 жыл бұрын
It would be cool if they could use just push buttons and no crown. Take the digital concept to the extreme!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Zeitwerk 4.0
@lousyshot12 жыл бұрын
Beautiful video. Beautiful watch. Tried listening for the price. But somehow I missed it.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
ALS does not communicate an official price for this watch. The price is calculated on a daily base. Reference price is 100.000 Euro without taxes
@lousyshot12 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Challenging to buy something without a price. But I am guessing that it is not a watch for me then. Even though I think it is amazing.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
@@lousyshot1 There is a price! But it is calculated on a daily base….
@laurencefahey31322 жыл бұрын
£88,300 I have been told by the boutique in harrods
@gilbertombp2 жыл бұрын
Really nice.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion!
@АлександрМегафон-т8м Жыл бұрын
Wao.A.Lange❤ süpep!!!👍👍👍👍👍
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing our passion!
@juniortoledo80882 жыл бұрын
Great watch, I assume that somehow the gear train gets disangaged if changing the hours using the push button is done for example at 11:59:59.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
The entire mechanism features several "securities" against misuse of course...
@behemothinferno Жыл бұрын
They need to find a way to integrate an AM/PM complication instead as well.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Instead of what? Can you specify?
@lewdwig2 жыл бұрын
Look, I will never be able to afford a Zeitwerk so if you could refrain from making me want one really bad that’d be great.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
😆… I hear you! Sir, yes Sir 🫡
@condal322 жыл бұрын
👍👍
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Any thoughts about the Zeitwerk?
@condal322 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor I’d have the platinum one in a heartbeat, just need to win the lottery! Another great video Alex, thank you😊
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
@@condal32 I keep my fingers crossed 🤞🏻
@danieltaylor44752 жыл бұрын
Just wondering what the circle is to the left of the minutes counter?
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
This is a gold chaton ...
@OilBaron2 жыл бұрын
The min discs rotate around this pivot. Gold chaton on the outer, clear sapphire (might be a diamond) on the inner
@Zeitwerk2 жыл бұрын
why is the platinum one not moving? 16:19 is the crown out?
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
It was a "blocked" movement.... Only one was assembled and functioning to be shown to us...
@Zeitwerk Жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor aaaahhhh thats why, thx for info
@АлександрМегафон-т8м Жыл бұрын
Ok.❤
@Avalanche13682 жыл бұрын
I swear the guy on the left is wearing a Swatch!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
He was wearing the Odysseus in steel
@matthiasfleu805 Жыл бұрын
Warum ist die Schraube im Zifferblatt beim Zeitwerk immer schräg ? Soll eine Funktion haben,aber welche ? Ich finde das sieht nicht gut aus, trickert meinen inneren "Monk"
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Das ist eine funktionale Schraube... und kein Designelement...
@Alf_Becker2 жыл бұрын
At 0:46 in your video I read: "Also, the price is mentioned of course." WHERE? Of course it's NOT mentioned. And all the text above is copied from the A. Lange und Söhne website, so this is a promotion clip from them and not an independent review. The watch itself is out of this world. I would buy it at once, could I only get hold of it. Try to buy one and tell us here, where you succeeded and how long you had to wait for it!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
The price is no longer given officially by ALS, but fixed on a daily base… It is a price around 100.000 Euro plus taxes… That’s why we didn’t mention it… The text is there to help Google (SEO) to find our independent created video… I simply don’t have the time to create an own text… It does not change anything for you watching the video… So accept my apologies if you are not satisfied with what you saw..
@laurencefahey31322 жыл бұрын
It’s a 6-9 month wait time as of 16-12-22 , so go and put your 30% deposit down and you will get one
@xexeronxd81162 жыл бұрын
How much for the pink gold zeitwerk? 🧐
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
There is no fixed price, the price is calculated very day… the “base” is 100.000 plus taxes…
@laurencefahey31322 жыл бұрын
£88.300
@pollu_732 жыл бұрын
Technically nothing to complain about, but it's not my thing. Great video as always. 👋👍
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! You either like the Zeitwerk or you don't ... There is no "grey zone" ...
@pollu_732 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor ahahah Yes, after taking a look at Lange's website, I must say that I really like it and I also really like other models in the house..unfortunately they are not for my pocket 😅but really fantastic.👍
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
@@pollu_73 I hear you, thanks for sharing!
@mhossain212 жыл бұрын
00:04 That small black dot above the 5 when the minute turns from 14-15 is driving me nuts It can also be seen at 06:17
@KEVlNCHOl2 жыл бұрын
What a shame. Lower plate below the remontoir also remains under finished
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing! The Zeitwerk we filmed was a pre-series watch! This Zeitwerk will never be sold! Good that you saw it! Expect every piece being sold to be perfect!
@luciand82702 жыл бұрын
it's just a synthetic ruby for a wheel under the dial
@gthing67132 жыл бұрын
I agree...nothing should be inside watches,not even a speck!
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
@@gthing6713 As mentioned above: the Zeitwerk we filmed was the a pre-series watch, the very first one fully assembled... In a ready to sell watch nothing that shouldn't be there will be there...
@N101-b8x Жыл бұрын
WANT
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Which one?
@N101-b8x Жыл бұрын
Would love a grey dial but they don't make it any longer. I'd go for the base platinum since the other complications are too big for my wrist.
@WatchAdvisor Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@coja1432 жыл бұрын
Prijatelju obožavam A.Lange&Digne i žao mi je što baš kod njih dajem komentar ali morao sam,pregledao sam tvoje snimke dosta njih i veoma su dobro urađeno ,poznaješ materiju,svaka čast,ali mora da ima onog ali,ne postoje na ovom svetu samo Nemci i Švajcarci kad je orologija u pitanju,isuviše potenciraš njih i njihov rad,postoje i neki drugi koji su možda čak i malo više doprineli ovoj industriji.....a ti prijatelju dobro znaš koji su a namerno ih izostavljaš a to nije lepo sa tvoje strane...dobronameran savet ...pozzz
@coja1432 жыл бұрын
A.Lange &Sohne sam mislio naravno ,oni je štamparska greška
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
A koje bi to zemlje bile? Gdje još možete pronaći časovničarstvo na ovom nivou, osim možda u Grand Seiku...
@coja1432 жыл бұрын
Baš tako upravo u Japanu ....pozz
@坑蒙拐骗偷吃喝嫖赌抽2 ай бұрын
不差的
@WatchAdvisor2 ай бұрын
Not bad???? Well that’s much better than this… 😜
@坑蒙拐骗偷吃喝嫖赌抽2 ай бұрын
没有最好,只有更好
@j.m.44442 жыл бұрын
The not alligned screw would drive mit crazy.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
The screws are of technical use and not an optical add-on ... So once the screw is screwed in correctly you cant force it to look different...
@Ossory882 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor thanks for pointing that out. People critizise that about Hublot without the smallest sense of technical understanding.
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Same applies for Hublot of course and also others...
@j.m.44442 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Yes, as well as a movement, for technical use but nevertheless highly decorated. From ALS I would expected a marriage of technical use and optical perfection, which is possible, but they did not go that extra milage.
@garyboyle6952 жыл бұрын
@@j.m.4444 Name me a watch that has every screw that line up, a screw not a bolt.
@natelamb89612 жыл бұрын
It is not arguable that Lange is very good at movement innovation and decoration, which is probably even better than PP in this sense. But, the watch is not only about movement, but also the dial and case. If you look at the Lange's product line, all of the cases are looking the same. 99% of their watch dial look pale, and just simple painting (except the extreme high-end, lumen dial model). This is probably why people only appraise Lange with by talking, instead of buying... 😬
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
Blablabla... The entire yearly ALS production of 5000-5500 watches is sold out... Customers are waiting years to get their favorite ALS... So why worry?
@jackey82382 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor sure! Why would it be hard to find 5000 persons to buy its watch on the planet earth. If it is hard, Lange would be in serious trouble. Nowadays most of the media and KZbinrs are applauding. We hardly see any neutral comments on those pieces.
@natelamb89612 жыл бұрын
@@jackey8238 well said…👍
@natelamb89612 жыл бұрын
@@WatchAdvisor Are you sure it is the actual watch collectors are buying them? Or they are flippers? Besides considering Lange’s “bundling sell” (2 high-end unpopular piece + 1 steel piece) strategy, I’m not surprised that they sold out all pieces…😂 Welcome to the dark side… 🎃
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
The production numbers of the "Odysseus" are very small, so ALS sells these to known and loyal customers. That's nothing wrong IMHO since a majority of new customers wanting an "Odysseus" didn't want the watch, but a lucrative vehicle to earn some extra money by flipping it... Critics as the one you posted only come from frustrated buyers, which I of course also understand...
@x201t2 жыл бұрын
Young watchmakers that are making watches for old farts :-)
@WatchAdvisor2 жыл бұрын
More and more young people buy watches in that price range… What's the saying? A close miss is also a miss…
@leoguy16098 ай бұрын
No wrist watch worth that price in my opinion. Beside that your just advertising yourself to get robbed when wearing it . Know a thief moto? Why buy it, when they can steal it!
@WatchAdvisor8 ай бұрын
I do not agree when we talk about A. Lange & Söhne… it is a brand you have to know before you steal it… other brands/models are much more known and their wearers much more exposed to this definitely existing danger…
@kewintaylor70564 ай бұрын
Thief prefer rolex 😂 or ap patek… But there a lot of fake of those…😂 But i agreed about some risk of wearing expensive watch…😂
@simonassouline12302 жыл бұрын
Zeitwerk is one ugly watch! Odysseus is so beautiful!