A Look Back At The Story of Bioshock Infinite

[@nickleon58]

I always interpreted Elizabeth’s ability to open tears based on the fact that two parts of her technically exist in two timelines: Elizabeth herself and her pinky that got severed and left in Booker’s timeline.

[@ShirleyTimple]

It's expressed in game that she has power precisely because of this. She exists in two realities due to her losing that finger.

[@Foggovor]

Yeah, that’s not an interpretation, you just nailed what’s actually declared canon ;P

[@Keram-io8hv]

So technically if ya took someone else and cutted something of them in another reality they will get same abilities...

[@HeDoesNotRow]

"What makes the girl different? I suspect it has less to do with what she is, and rather more with what she is not. A small part of her remains from where she came. It would seem the universe does not like its peas mixed with its porridge." - The Source of Her Power voxophone

[@MistarZtv]

@@Keram-io8hv yes that's how we got the lutecce twins. They were scattered to all the realities.

[@knobssss]

This was my first Bioshock game. I bought it with no expectations, only knowing the past couple had received spectacular reviews. I still remember when the world first opened up to the outside world of Columbia and being blown away by how beautiful it was for its time. The story mind fucked me so hard as a senior or junior in high school that I was mentally affected for two days. I'm always surprised to see that it wasn't received as well as I would have expected back then, but I guess I was just so enthralled in the story and world that what many consider to be average gameplay didn't deter me at all. I just so deeply yearned for answers.

[@jungeezy]

This comment is evidence that Infinite isn’t inherently a bad game. I feel the issue is that it deviates too far away from the main themes and story progressions as the first two Bioshocks. Basically, “good game, bad Bioshock”

[@stardown6271]

That’s a lovely experience. I remember my jaw actually dropped at Columbia’s reveal

[@praetorxyn]

@@jungeezy This. If they just didn't slap the BioShock name on it - and it somehow got the same sort of exposure without riding on BioShock's coattails - it would have been hailed as a much better game than it is.

[@djohnsveress6616]

I always think of infinite, as a insanely tragic and lonely story of a girl.. Elizabeth.. Okay, Bioshock 1 and infinite connected, cool who cares.. many got caught up in that, the thing that blew my little peen off this earth, is that the connection between infinite and burial at sea, you as a player just casually strolling thru the story would think, you're playing with an alternative Elizabeth in Burial at sea, alternatives were Established at the end of Infinite.. But something else was established.. That the Elizabeth we followed thru infinite, didn't disappear like all the alternative Elizabeth once "comstock" died. My memory is a bit fuzzy so i can't give you all the details, why she was the only left behind but i swear to you there is the detail somewhere in the game, and about other stuff as well. For now all you have to focus on is that OUR Elizabeth that we followed thru the game is now IN BURIAL AT SEA, many years later after the main game events. SPOILER DO NOT PROCEED:::: THE VERY SAME ELIZABETH, not a alternative ! The same ass Elizabeth as we knew and talked too. Was in a different "Universe" Trying to kill the last comstock that escaped. Elizabeth Killed > Rupture comstock at the expanse of a Little Girls life > and she is ultimately killed by a big daddy> Fast forward, she's living the dream in paris, that she always talked about in the Main game events, But that dream is halted by Guilt and regret and loneliness.. > SO she went back, like she never even arrived at paris, and because she revisited that place where she dies, she loses her powers (? idk how that works rn) SO THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND ! SHE killed her OWN father, not comstock but Booker at the end of infinite ! So she and he can live together in a universe that doesn't have any of the Elizabeths or the Comstocks basically resetting the universe to before Brook could even offer up his child to himself, just to make a reality where it's just her and her father alone! So at the end everyone disappeared, EXCEPT OUR Columbia Elizabeth, and Rapture Comstock ! But even then.. Elizabeth always had the power to peak into the "Multiverse" or what.. So in a sense, her mission, hers is a duty, is her reason to live, cause she already sees a life worth living more then what she already lived, does that make sense ? Right ? She sees all the "What if's" and interacts with them .. But the MOMENT she went back to the place she dies, she cuts herself from that reality.. From the reality she fought for so long, and sacrificed so much for.. Just to amend a mistake she made at that place and moment. To realize all this broke my heart, that she always regretted what she did to rupture comstock, what she's done to the little girl for her vengeance. Her guilt ate her away as we played thru the dlc, even the spirit of Brook was haunting her mind. And remind you that was the Same Elizabeth that was so cheerful and basically like a Disney princess and even of that the better kind. To end up in the depths of despair and isolation.. In a way, i view the ending of Burial, not as heroism but as someone crashing down like a plane cause they have no other better choice to do, but to be of sacrifice to a world they can't escape anyway, The heroism was to go back, it was all about one decision. Remember ? Booker told something her thru out the game, over and over again.. That she understood the reason she came back, the reason she came back was cause she knew before she lost her power that she would die at the end.. but in turn Bioshock 1 comes to reality.. wich eventually saves the little girls.. None of the decisions she made mattered cause it was already decided the moment she went back. I remember reading comments about comforting people, that how happy she is in the reality with her own with Booker, but then i know.. That she really died there. Perhaps the only Elizabeth to actually die, and alone.. It wasn't a heroes death, Not even at the end did she knew what she was doing, but a sacrifice nonetheless.. I hope if someone reads my little fan geeking, i hope that i broke some new ice for you in this story.. Listen to "You belong to me" from the OST, and think about the time Elizabeth danced with Rupture Booker.. The eyes of someone that hated to love..

[@capgaming6950]

@@djohnsveress6616 Just WOW. You summed that up really well and I completely agree with every point you had. Infinite was my first bioshock and after playing it I had to play the first two and I personally though it was amazing how they connected.

[@benadical222]

Something that maybe I misinterpreted about Burial at Sea Part 2 that I remember really disliking was establishing the way the Big Daddies were imprinted on was through “kindness” or “love”, as I thought that completely undermined the point of the Big Daddy. The entire point of the Big Daddy and Little Sister was the horror of modern science constructing a bastardization of familial love in order to commodify it, manipulating the youth and dehumanizing the workers in the process. Having the “missing piece” of that scientific process be “actual kindness” completely undermines the inhumanity of the relationship that was core to the horror and message of their false relationship.

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

It was literally stated in the original Bioshock that the little sisters were drawn to the big daddies due to their pheromones not because the big daddies needed the little sisters Adam to survive. This was all done to give Elizabeth a hand in everything that happened in Bioshock and Bioshock 2 it makes her come off as a Mary Sue.

[@jman72898]

@@Mandalore_ultimate if anyone knows what they are talking about it would be you Doctor.

[@Ronam0451]

@@jman72898 what are you talking about? It's literally in the game.

[@theeternal2734]

@@Mandalore_ultimate I Thought The Adam They Gathered Had The Pheromones In Them As Well

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

@@theeternal2734 That was never stated

[@joshuareesor1756]

1:00:25 There's also the issue that Suchong should already be dead. According to a few of Alexander's audio diaries in 2, Suchong is dead before Delta is created, who we see walking around at the New Year's Eve party. Yet, Infinite's DLC takes place on the same eve, but Suchong is still alive. So it's both unnecessary and a complete plot hole.

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

Also there's only a few references to Bioshock 2 like Sinclair Solutions, Adonis Luxury Resort and Dionysus Park. They don't mention the Alpha Series or Sofia Lamb at all even though Bioshock 2 is canon.

[@germanbushin9723]

That's what happens when you let different people write plots in the same game series. Remember, Ken Levine had nothing to do with Bioshock 2, only Bioshock and Infinite + DLC's. And writing around someone's unnecessary additions to the universe you conceptualized is pretty fucking hard, hence the plot hole.

[@Mandalore_ultimate]

@@germanbushin9723 If Bioshock 2 never existed Suchong still being alive after the start of the Civil War doesn't make a lick of sense.

[@joshuareesor1756]

@@germanbushin9723 I don't think it's that much to ask to remember the general time of a character's death, especially when Bioshock 1 was already ambiguous on Suchong's death and the timeline of when the Big Daddies were established. Heck, the entirety of Burial at Sea can be described as an unnecessary addition with aspects like Elizabeth's inclusion as a factor in the Big Daddies and Little Sisters bonding. If they didn't want to put in the work, they never had to return to Rapture and could have focused on Infinite's world without worrying about past details. Not to mention that it's hard for me to believe that Levine couldn't take Bioshock 2's additions into consideration when many of Infinite's plot details heavily parallel Bioshock 2. A father saving his daughter from a religious populous and oppressive parent who keeps her captive to contain and experiment on, villain's goal is to use her power to "save" the outside world and submit it to personal ideology, girl is known as the "lamb" by population and name starts with "El," etc.

[@Ronam0451]

@@germanbushin9723 well, he still has to do his job. He can't just disregard an entire game just because he didn't work on it.

[@mattsherlock9636]

Two problems that I have with Bioshock Infinite that drags it down for me. The overdone "I am no longer the naive girl, my suffering made me I am a hard bitten badass woman" and the way the narrative short changes the Vox. Being kind to other people and looking for the best in a bad situation are not signs of immaturity, in fact seeing the bright side of the world even when it disappoints you is an important skill for a well rounded healthy adult. Having Elizabeth become cynical is not a sign that she has become strong, she was already that. Having her "become a woman" because she killed someone and become a vengeful is horrible because it implies that you have to become cruel and experience horrible things to become an "Adult". Second the Vox are treated like a palate swap. People do not go from "wanting to be free of slavery" to Child killing mob at the drop of a hat. Daisy is a potentially interesting character turned into a cartoonish villain to keep the "both sides" narrative that the series is famous for.

[@chesterstevens8870]

I see where you're coming from regarding Elizabeth; although at the same time I can also see how, given everything that happens to her and Booker in such a short timespan, those events would have a profound and probably negative effect on her. It's hard to maintain the "Disney Princess" mindset when your life goes from one of cloistered study to rampant violence and corruption in a matter of hours. Regarding the Vox, though; that's makes a lot more sense from a historical context. Peasant revolts tend to be extremely brutal, and it's not always the fault of the leaders for those revolts. I mean, you only need to look at Russia's dekulakization to see just how barbaric a proletariat uprising can be once mob rule kicks in.

[@mattsherlock9636]

@@chesterstevens8870 The Kulaks were something that Stalin invented in order to give himself a scapegoat, that is not an example of mob rule. It is an example of a authoritarian eliminating his opposition. Pol Pot or the french revolution fit the example you are trying to set better. Even then it does not exactly fit. Pol Pot was an Ultranationalist as much as he was a Communist and the French Revolution was an organized blood bath. I still have a great deal of skepticism when people say any attempt to amend society for the better is always bad. especially when the one saying it is a white heterosexual man with a high paying job and that is the problem with the "failed utopia" genre. It is saying that any idealism is foolish and any attempt to do different than what we have now will inevitable lead to disaster. Bioshock is actually one of the better examples of "Failed Utopia" in that it over all well written, even if it plays with problematic conventions sometimes. Still it is cynical and seems to take these clearly evil societies at face value. We should be cheering at the fall of the Dystopian racist city and corporate owned tax shelter masquerading as Atlantis, but we are supposed to be crying because these awful people managed to create pretty buildings and some tech that is neat. These are not "Failed Utopias", they are Dystopias that the writers think are worth trying to save. Though granted that might be just a subjective opinion. As for Elizabeth, I get it. I may not like it, but I can get it. I would actually have had her grow to understand that the world is not perfect but still has good in it and regained a little optimism if we ever ran into her again. (what about Burial at sea?) I don't count that because a Noir set in Rapture is a fascinating concept that is ruined by trying to tie it in with the Columbia stuff. How old would booker be by the time of Bioshock 1, ninety? And Elizabeth would be in her sixties. Now I am just grousing about stuff in a DLC I don't like, about time I stop before I start yelling at clouds. At least for now.

[@JauntyAndJaded]

i see where you're coming from with the first point, but the second got answered later on with the Lutece's talking to Daisy to set up Elizabeth having her first kill.

[@mattsherlock9636]

@@JauntyAndJaded that was in the DLC, I don't count it because it was clearly a retcon to address the criticism and it adds to the problem with the first point. Implying that to be strong one must be a killer. I get what they were going for and I respect them for it, It just didn't work for me.

[@NormanTiner]

@@mattsherlock9636 you lost me at dismissing ideas and philosophical insight from "white heterosexual males". Good ideas can come from anyone.

[@Jaxta2003]

Whats interesting is theat the coin flip is shown to have been done multiple times before with all the tally marks on heads, but when we pick the bird or the cage, its the first one. So our Booker is the first one to get Elizabeth out

[@PepicWalrus]

Infinite is just a weird case. I remember in 2013 when everyone praised it and was blown away by the twist but slowly over time people soured on it.

[@Ronam0451]

There are still people that say you just didn't get the game if you have any problem with it.

[@waspywasp451]

I thought it was good, but it stumbled on it's weird attempts to be deep sometimes. Definitely a more mixed experience than the first game and even second game for me. I especially disliked the second DLC. The story of that was just fucking weird man.

[@Maxi23543]

Basicly its bioshock 2 in reverse.

[@D0NU75]

@@waspywasp451 It was fine until the chinese dealer part. The moment they started changing dimensions everything became a mess and there was no reason why they couldn't just search for another tear to escape Columbia, they just followed their next objective as blindly as the player was forced to it's linear world.

[@TitusCastiglione1503]

@@D0NU75 For me, it was exactly this as well. Exploring the extremist ideologies of the Founders/Vox Populi was infinitely more interesting than the dimension hopping bullcrap.

[@chesterstevens8870]

Y'know; I'm not mathematecist, but I'm pretty sure getting shot 15,000 feet into the sky in a matter of seconds would be pretty rough on the body. Like, "powderizing your bones and causing all your arteries to burst" levels of rough. EDIT: Comstock isn't just a white supremacist, he's a straight up anglophile. During the time period this game is set in Irish and Italian immigrants were considered no better than black people; there are scenes in the game showing whites with Celtic accents doing the same menial work and living in the same squalid conditions as the blacks, and you end up shooting several white members of the Vox later in the game.

[@yusufh7278]

Not necessarily, no matter how high you fall you will hit terminal velocity and fall at a set speed. I don't know how high that is but you can keep going higher but the result will be the same.

[@nyranna_]

does this mean booker is an anglophile too since Comstock and booker are the same person

[@chasetoyama8184]

@@nyranna_ Same person, technically, but totally different personalities

[@MistarZtv]

@@nyranna_ yups same person. They both shared the same experience and were pretty similar right up to one of the point of divergence. Where our booker got swallowed by the trauma and guilt of all the terrible things he's done during the war and the Pinkerton. The Comstock booker used religion and fascist ideals to wash it away by going that those people he violated deserved it and that it was his God given right to do so, so he wouldn't be swallowed up by his guilt.

[@SLRModShop]

That's what you're concerned about? =) The tiniest decision creates an alternate universe. You wait 3 seconds instead of 4? BAM, a new universe worth of energy got created... Their entire concept violates the laws of thermodynamics. Bioshock 3 is the result of someone trying really hard to create something that sounds smart. Good thing for them that 99% of people assumed it was so smart that they didn't bother to think about what it all meant... You're a player, in a game where there is an infinite amount of universes... Try to think about the implications... What have you accomplished? What was your role? Did you really made an impact? What if you fail? What if you succeed? What if you don't play the game? Really, give that some thoughts, you'll realise how fake-smart it all is. Bioshock 3 became my prime example of laziness since I played it. Remember the reveal of the multiverses? Yep, they copy pasted the light house... CTRL+C, CTRL+V... You play in 2 universes? The blue flags... ... ... ... are now red! The entire premise of the game is multiverses, that's all they managed to do with that?! Yeah, you can say the civil war was won by the other side etc, but at the end of the day, they took away all your gear mid-game, changed the color of the flags and called that a parallel universe... I'm sorry but the reward for losing everything you have isn't worth it. We play Bioshock for the premise, the gameplay and the ending. Bioshock 3 has an very good premise, they f*cked up the gameplay for the story and the story ended up being pompous. The ending insulting, in every way possible. Sorry but if you strip all my weapons away, you better have something better than copy pasted light houses to show for... This game is just revolting.

[@spouwnerring]

There is a plot-hole in this game (there are multiple, but I'm only going to talk about 1). In the timeline where the Vox Populi got the weapons and started their revolution, the Comstock from that timeline moves the Elizabeth from that timeline from Monument Island to Comstock House. This resulted in Booker from that timeline having to join the Vox in order to reach her, but died in battle. However when the Booker and Elizabeth we follow enter the timeline, the Elizabeth from that timeline is nowhere to be found and no 1 acknowliges the fact that there are 2 Elizabeth alive in the same city.

[@NormanTiner]

She could have died the moment she entered the tear.

[@spouwnerring]

@@NormanTiner but there is no evidence of that happening. If what You're saying is correct, than why is no 1 in the game mentioning this?

[@Ronam0451]

And Comstock also talks about Elizabeth being taken by booker. Like, that's another Comstock, how does he know that

[@loganwilson4625]

I’m pretty sure the old Elizabeth is the one from the Vox Populi universe

[@D0NU75]

@@loganwilson4625 but then og Elizabeth should have mixed memories of the other Elizabeth as well. Just like Booker has Comstock's during the time both are within the same timeline.

[@DigitalVanquish]

The ending just feels like nothing to me. Our Booker is drowned, which despite not being the Prime Booker (as he is from after the decision, not before), kills every Booker that was about to become Comstock; the other versions of Elizabeth cease to exist; and every other version of Booker continues life as per normal - never faced with the choice of giving up their Anna to Comstock, because Comstock never exists. Okay...? The story just tries to be so clever, that I ended up not caring. I started to stop caring as soon as our Elizabeth said we'd leave her (at the time our) reality, and wouldn't come back. There's no consequence in a story like that, and neither Elizabeth or Booker seem to at all care about something that should be pretty impactful. If the world has no continuity, then the characters have to do all the work, and they do none. They don't care one bit, and they continue to not care each time. Booker goes to at least 5 realities (possibly 6 if Old Elizabeth equally can't open tears to specific realities), and doesn't blink an eye. This Booker is 1 of at least 123 (we don't know if the tally chalkboard was the first one), so either 123 Booker have been to that reality, but only 1 got to Elizabeth; the Twins have been to 123 realities to try this at least 123 times; or a combination of both (multiple realities and multiple versions of Booker). But with an infinite number of realities, there's a infinite number of the Twins, so all of this happens an infinite number of times... So, an infinite number of Booker were drowned to kill an infinite number of Comstock. Different versions of Booker that might be female; have an arm missing; be a different nationality; etc. This must be the case because there are infinite realities. All we see in the game is a leaf on a twig of a branch of a tree in an infinite forest. And it all becomes so abstract that I just don't care. There's nothing personal anymore. And that's my problem with the story: it's infinite. Sure, it's clever, and it probably mostly works, maybe, but to what end? Is Infinite a better game because of this chosen story? Not to me. 'Lives; lived; will live. Dies; died; will die' encapsulates the nihilism of the game, with it basically saying that none of it matters because all outcomes are true somewhere. If you're not looking on the individual level, which this game decides not to do as soon as Elizabeth leaves her world without a care, then it doesn't matter. All possible bad (and good) versions of Comstock from all possible versions of Booker are gone? Fine. I didn't meet, or play as, any of those versions. There's no personal consequence. They literally might as well have had Elizabeth push a button that just deletes all versions of Comstock, because it's just as emotionally detached.

[@senorapples1115]

I feel like the whole daisy fitzroy was doing a part of the twins plans ruins her charater. Daisy in my eyes was a leader so caught up with revenge she confuses it as a the only solution(something like that i guess). It fits similar how lamb was but now its just her doin her part. It does sucks that the buriel at sea dlc was not that good...... atleast we have clash in the coulds.

[@MistarZtv]

Yeah the daisy retcon was so bad. They were reacting to backlash from the poor writing in the main game, but they stripped away her agency and the power of her own actions that it somehow made her not only poorly written but problematically written, cause now she's being used to further and prop up a white female savior narrative for Elizabeth. which also hurts Elizabeth's characters. just a mess for everyone involved. 😂 The whole daisy fiasco could've been avoided if they had another character who could've been her opposite, the same way lamb had her lieutenants and Ryan had his.

[@EGRJ]

@@MistarZtv I think the writing in the main game was fine. The whiners I saw were mostly people who had a...*highly romanticized* image of revolutions, let's say. I'm not sure how Liz getting a messiah role in BAS is any sort of contradiction with the way she was portrayed in the original game. Except this time the sacrifice is her own choice, not what Comstock wanted her to be. And as Liz points out, her own hands aren't exactly clean. Daisy's thematic opposite was Fink, Comstock, or both.

[@D0NU75]

It's also confusing because the Daisy who does the deal with Booker (and the one who should have spoken to the Lutece), while still focused in her political movement, was nowhere as frenzied as the second Daisy from the timeline where Booker was already dead. And also why the Lutece asked the second Daisy for help with the og Elizabeth but never for the Elizabeth from that timeline?

[@fyxation]

@@MistarZtv I was looking through the comments for this very reply. I remember people being upset that Daisy, an "almost" heroic figure, was also merciless. That crowd seemed to miss the point of showing different personalities in the different timelines depending on what they went through. Could Daisy have been a hero? Yes. Could she also have been merciless? Yes! It's weird growing pain that we're still not out of where people need to accept that characters, despite their ethnicity or other identifying features, can be ruthless or wicked or sweet or heroic. Not being good does not automatically make them "problematic."

[@allenharper2928]

Exactly. There was nothing wrong with showing that the road to hell is paved with good intentions, and that a freedom fighter is only a couple of atrocities removed from being the next tyrant, ala Castro.

[@arty_mc_artist]

52:05 I'm pretty sure it was meant that if she goes BACK to that timeline now that she's been killed there, then she would lose her powers. Once she was done there, she essentially disregarded of what would happen to her body there and went back to Paris. The guilt of knowing she left Sally behind made her feel like she was as selfish as Comstock, so she returned regardless That's how I think of it anyway, and I think that's how it was explained in a video series explaining everything as well?

[@xBINARYGODx]

what video series is that? please pseudo link. (that said, a game should not need outside videos for basic stuff, generally speaking)

[@rajyavardhansingh4491]

yes, its stated by dialog by the twins

[@matthewsanchez3943]

Just found your channel a week ago and have binged most of your videos. Really enjoying the analysis on games I played years ago makes me nostalgic. Keep up the good work!

[@Uglier.]

Right!? Top tier content, just needs more exposure.

[@NinaMango789]

Same here!

[@UhmKrulcifer]

Same here too

[@Furinalover2736]

Combined the three videos into one. I may not be able to agree with some of our points with the dlc yet I respect them. I really loved Bioshock Infinite stroy and dlcs. It kept me on my feet and shocked me(this is coming from someonenwho played Bioshock 2 and Bioshock Infinite). I still miss Elizabeth. She was my favorite character as much as Subject Delta.

[@FourDozenEggs]

My biggest problem with Infinite is that it does not feel like a Bioshock game. It legitimately feels like an original IP that was reworked to be connected to the first two Bioshock games.

[@DaGamingCore]

Early prototypes looked much more like a Bioshock game, but the game had 0 deadlines for a long time and that hurt the games development. There is a thing as too much time.

[@rainbowninja5836]

One thing that really confused me about this game was Songbird. I couldn’t tell if it was just the version of Songbird from the universe that Booker and Elizabeth were in at the time, or if it was the same Songbird throughout the entire game following them.

[@Ronam0451]

There's a part in the game where Comstock talks about Elizabeth making a mistake escaping with booker. The problem is, at that point in the game you're in an universe where booker never rescued Elizabeth, so... What's Comstock talking about lol

[@D0NU75]

@@Ronam0451 The base game is full of moments like those, midgame Booker could have just asked Elizabeth to open a tear to a time and place where they could just go on with their lives in peace. Hell, even before Booker meet Elizabeth she was already opening tears, why she was compeled to return to her prison only she knows; she hated Comstock and her mom was already dead (both biological and foster) and not like Elizabeth knew her at all, it's also not like she was super attached to Songbird since she saw it as a guardian, not a friend.

[@Whiteythereaper]

I think it's supposed to be implied that Songbird's bond with Elizabeth is so strong that it can sense where she is, no matter what version of her exists in that reality

[@OWmyDragonBallz]

@@Ronam0451That’s because Comstock is aware of tears and Elizabeth potentially traveling to another world.

[@creed8712]

@@Whiteythereaperthe implication is that Song bird is a version of Booker

[@kassyyar97]

I REALLY would’ve loved to explore more of this world, bioshock infinite is one of my favorite games with flaws and all, I just wish there was more...

[@oliver.n278]

The game had potential But when you are dealing with multiple universes and timelines, you're in trouble. Besides, the combat was not fun to me.

[@SLRModShop]

How much energy does rolling a dice require? I don't actually know, but in bioshock 3, doing so creates multiple universes worth of energy... So, their game is dealing with physics concepts but whoever wrote it couldn't even realise that they broke the laws of thermodynamics... Really, they were expecting everyone to feel insecure, assuming that it was too smart for them and not trying to think too much about it. If you do, and you have the smallest knowledge in physics, the entire thing falls apart immediately. The game is basically just pompous, a narcissist's wank fest. Also, it also means that everything you do is meaningless. The worst gamer failed, but who cares, there is another timeline where the protagonist succeeded! Also, there is a massive laziness throughout the whole thing... Multiple universes? How do we handle that? A flat texture of water then a lighthouse... Then you copy paste the thing all over the flat texture... Okay great. So, multiverses exist, but you can go in another "plane of existence" where you can see them all at once... So... There is also a multiverse of the multiverse... Making everything an order of magnitude stupider... Bioshock 3 is what happens when you try way too hard to sound clever. The only cool concept is the twins that keep track of head and tail. Cool concept, unless you think about it. It means that you were in the universe where "all the stars align". Again, the player does not win because of what he/she does, but because the player happened to spawn in the correct universe. The player is meaningless in this... game! Would have been better to at least put the player in a universe where the protagonist is supposed to fail. Not doing so means that you achieve the same result by not playing the... game... There is a meta-narrative that could come out of that, but honestly, the game is too average for me to give it the benefit of the doubt. Can't bring myself to try to make sense of the ramblings of someone who tries to sound smart. I can use my time better trying to understand what actual smart people are saying. Aslo, a reminder that the game takes everything away from you mid-game. Replaces all the blue flags with red ones and calls that an "alternate universe"... How fµcking lazy is that... Which shows that there are only tiny variation between each universe which makes the whole thing even stupider because it means that the smallest difference creates a new universe... Basically, creating an infinite amount of energy from next to nothing. Just plain stupid.

[@goldenhorse4823]

Bio Infinite's story feels like it was so close to being amazing but something just went wrong

[@redsunthewarrior]

For me, it was when they went to a new universe through a tear at Fink's Factory. it went downhill from there. They keep going through tears, but they never go back to their original universe and imo the ending didn't really make sense as well as a couple other things.

[@toonpacha2396]

I feel like they bit off more than they could chew and they couldn’t very well extend the game since it’s already a lengthy one

[@strawberrylotlizard]

The original story was great but they cut like half of it

[@2ndToLast501]

Remember this dumb story was hacked together in less than 10 months because they prioritized multiplayer first, then they axed the multiplayer entirely to focus on the single player. What a twist! That first reveal trailer is like a fanfiction compared to what we actually got.

[@HydraulicDesign]

@@redsunthewarrior Yeah maybe we should forgive our protagonists for not being up their science fiction tropes, but "solving" a problem by travelling to an alternate reality where it doesn't exist is approximately the worst idea ever.

[@Chessheromusic]

This story is so brilliant for the beats you mentioned but also We get to see a Disney princess face the cruel reality of our world and watch how it changes her Also she becomes exactly like her father As booker becomes a true father to her It’s her that wants to kill comstock booker only wants to protect her at that point and all his decisions are set in stone that he will always try to protect her even forsake himself and the world

[@GlitchManOmega]

The way I interpret Infinite's base game ending is that the Booker in the post-credit scene is either a different Booker who inherited all of our Booker's memories of his adventure in Columbia, hence his sudden panic and wanting to know whether Anna was in her crib or not, or he IS our Booker who was somehow given a mulligan from drowning and likewise remembers everything that happened up until then. As for Elizabeth, we know that every Elizabeth except Elizabeth-Prime is gone right after drowning Booker-Prime, and we also know what happens to Elizabeth-Prime after Burial At Sea Part 2, but we don't know if anyone's in the crib at all or not. I have no evidence, but I'd like to think there's one baby Anna in the crib who never has to grow up to *become* Elizabeth in there, so she gets a chance at a normal life. Unrelated, but as for why you fight a Bouncer as the final boss of Burial At Sea Part 1, the answer is because the events of BioShock 2 aren't canon to the events of Infinite. Going along with the whole multiverse thing, you can say that BioShock 1, 2, and the Fall of Rapture novel are one universe, while BioShock 1, Infinite, and its DLC are a separate universe. I as a fellow fan of BioShock 2 much prefer the former since it's just a better and more cohesive story.

[@aaron8977]

Finally someone who agrees with me. I have been so disappointed in how infinite turned out. I had no major complaints about the story other then how confusing it all started getting. The gameplay was by far my biggest issue.

[@lucienhaulotte4049]

Man im still angry about the weapon limit theyre so good but i usually take shotgun and rocket

[@Gingy]

The weapon limit was definitely a shame. Just from playing the DLC which has no weapon limit you could see the possibilities of the combat.

[@turtleanton6539]

​@@Gingy yes why not uppdate this in the remaster

[@Mavuika_Gyaru]

Before even watching the video, I think infinite starts going down hill when time travel got implemented and Elizabeth got a change of clothes

[@glitchedsushi]

Although I prefer Elizabeth design after she changes clothes (or the Burial at Sea one), I agree

[@BioWeirdo]

Completely agree.

[@Ferdinand208]

I think it goes downhill when the shooting starts. Before that you have a great world with Elisabeth who is cute and fun to be with. The shooting is clumsy, the vigors feel tacked on. The world and story feel disconnected from the gameplay. They should have made a steam punk deus ex in this world.

[@iamarabicandiloveamericanp7137]

Holy shit you are right

[@stephenmoney4722]

game started going downhill for me, when elizabeth and I, arrive on the beach

[@mattyandthefam2313]

This was literally my favorite game I have ever played. The story, scenery, and character development were on another level. And then how everything ties together at the end blew me away. Thank you for taking us back and shedding light on a game some people probably didn't even know existed because it was so long ago. Awesome vid

[@dominiquejones3805]

I love Infinite also. It was the 1st Bioshock I played

[@creed8712]

Can’t believe we were getting “variants” and “canon events” years before Spiderverse.

[@bingchilling_____]

Also when you have the choice to either draw your weapon or demand the ticket if you demand your ticket the guy behind the counter stabs your hand and you have a bandage around your hand for the rest of the game, it’s a nice touch

[@modestdemigod310]

I had thought while playing the second chapter of the DLC that the big reveal was that you were not Elizabeth, but actually Tenebaum with confused memories, explaining her change of heart in the first game. I was so disappointed that this did not come true.

[@thebigbean8783]

I played infinite when it came out and replayed it for like the 4th time last year and finally played the dlc. The first one was super good, but the second not so much. Regardless I think infinite was a fantastic game with flaws of course but oh well. I'm really happy they did something different with it

[@xBINARYGODx]

but they didn't do something different, they throw in mechanics from the first two games that don't make any sense whatsoever. They also dont handle the different that well, wrt to see the world before it goes to total crap, and other things too.

[@kingkongchief1177]

Only problem I had with this game is the weapon limit and the travel between dimensions that started with getting guns for the Vox was all over the place and was confusing. And there wasn’t a vigor that could freeze enemies. The rest of the story and gameplay was spot on.

[@Ronam0451]

Spot on, except it makes no sense lol

[@mettawatkutaninwat5411]

Honestly as someone who plays Titanfall, Halo, Metro and Black Ops, I got no problem with the weapon limit.

[@Ireee702]

Literally shock jockey is for stunning enemies, duh

[@zyker2156]

I understand everyones perspective on the story, but for me; Infinite is a game I've grown to dislike. At least when compared to 1 and 2, the story being the main culprit. Bioshock to me has always been about debating morality, ethics and political discourse. Infinite lacks this, therefore creating less substance to the story. Elizabeth and Booker are fine characters, but weak when compared to Andrew Ryan, Suchong and Tennenbaum at least from my POV. The multiple universes concept feels ham fisted to create a seemingly more complex story, and to help service the twist, rather than create substance for the story. It all feels a mess, especially when compared to the incredibly interesting story seen in the gameplay videos from 2011/2012. The game changed a lot and not arguably for the better, Infinite is a decent game. But 1 and 2 are FAR superior in literally every way, imo.

[@nyranna_]

i think the intention was to set up the same kinda world and people's revolt as rapture and then change it as??? some kinda meta commentary on the franchise or something??? but it didn't work for me because I felt like I got cheated of a cool experience of seeing the story of columbia. I also just prefer rapture to Columbia in almost every way but that's just personal preference, infinite was very lacking in the horror areas that I adore BioShock 1 and 2 for

[@waspywasp451]

100% agree with you. I especially disliked the story of the second DLC. finished it entirely because I liked the gameplay

[@Ireee702]

"In every one" i just dropped the first bioshock after the first hour cause the gameplay is VERY uncomfortable

[@ziggykillroy]

I played Infinite shortly after becoming a father. Handing over Anna fucked me up something awful, ugly crying and all.

[@RamonXick]

playing Infinite is like a fever dream, I thought I knew the story but I'm actually not, the story is really good even though feels like you still missing a lot

[@hoserbike]

The first escape from songbird is so perfect. The music, the action, the camera view. Just perfect.

[@anthonydelfino6171]

I’m so glad you brought up the massive plot issue with Booker thinking Daisy from any timeline would honor the deal for weapons he made with the first one. It was when we started going dish that goal with him I just had a hard time taking the story of the game seriously. Even if Booker didn’t fully understand the world hopping, I felt like Elizabeth should have known enough to speak up and correct his misunderstanding of things, even if it was just for Booker to say something like “maybe we get lucky and this Daisy takes the same deal” And for that matter, we don’t even know that he has any reason to believe this Daisy has an airship to trade him for those weapons.

[@kaelside]

Anyone else here thought that the DLC made things look nicely? I really liked that it connected with purpose. Still doesn't make much sense why Elizabeth would lose her powers but y'know... what's the opposite of plot armor? Being Sean Bean?

[@oliver.n278]

I hated this approach. It felt very "forced", opens a lot of plot holes and even degrades the mystic of part 1. The only good thing was, we got a glimpse of Rapture in its Prime, how it looked like. But this also could have been packend in different DLC with an independant story.

[@TheRealMrArms]

Elizabeth lost her powers cause she has died there already to a big daddy it explains that when you ride to the light house as Elizabeth.

[@nyranna_]

@@oliver.n278 agree! making elizabeth the sole reason half of rapture came to be was so cringe, it felt like the team was spitting in the face of rapture to try to prop up their new game

[@Ronam0451]

Yeah it ruins the first games story

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

@@TheRealMrArms Which is a very bad excuse and feels like the writers just strangling future possibilities to death and shutting it all down

[@TechnoMediaStation]

maybe its just my taste in things, but I was 100 times more interested in the politics, ethics and factions of columbia than I was in the ideas of alternative timelines and the character of Elizabeth. Politics and ethics was at the heart of the story of the first game and what made its story and characters so bloody good. Those came second to Elizabeth and multiverse stuff in infinite, which after many replays and a few years passing, the story doesnt do that much for me anymore. The art design and city world building is still outstanding, and the gameplay fun.

[@s.m9206]

Yeah they should have took the themes and ran with it. The stakes of the story seemed kind of low too. Booker dies the end was kind of cliche. But it was a good game for it's time

[@TheRuneTail]

I liked infinite but the DLCs killed that joy, too many plotholes ruined this game. It's like the writers just gave up and half-assed

[@razorloboerrol]

A discussion of the novels would be really great. Very few people talk about it. Great vid as usual.

[@turtleanton6539]

Fully agreed

[@sagemulcahy1902]

Super well done well edited video Gingy keep up the good work! Looking forward to the next one!

[@juand.cardona2208]

Yep, Emporia is the worst part of the game. Not because of the world building but because it's where the difficulty goes from pretty hard to fucking bullshit, especially in 1999 mode. If Emporia wasn't so hard, it would be one of the best levels in the game

[@johnprice6271]

I just realized the twins are- for better or for worse, Shrodingers Plot Device. They are everywhere and nowhere as long as they are unobserved, and they always appear just out of Booker's view. Quantum Physics are wierd.

[@ajensen6195]

I think it was a very great video overall, and I respect your views on the game and the DLC, and mostly agree on everything. For the DLCs, I am in the same state as you as I think it indermines the main story and plot of the main game, yet, I liked them, not for the gameplay though, it is not great in that regards, but because it is a very personal story for Elizabeth, the DLCs is about her alone, even the first one when we play booker. The story of Bioshock 1, 2 and 3 is personal but also link to the fate of the city by taking down the big chief of the city, by removing them of their power. To put it another way, personal closure for the main character is linked to the big chief fate and the fate of the city in the main games. It is not the case in the DLCs. It is just a personal story. Well, one might say that Elizabeth has an important part of the fall of rapture since she iniates a sequence of events that will lead to its fall. It is true, but she will not see it to the end, she died before it happens. Also for us, the player, we already know what is going to happen to the city of Rapture, so the point of the DLCs is elsewhere, and she said it in the begining of episode 2 "Why ? Why did I choose to come here ?" (something like that). The DLCs are here to tell us who she has become after the event of Infinite, and while the first episode shows us her dark side, and may have tricked us to think that after the event of Infinite she has become violent, uncarrying (after all, she was ready to take the risk to make Sally burn, and all of this was for making Booker remember who he really is, and have a sort of revenge on him), the second episode gives us a more noble and bright side of her, she is not transform completely into that cynical person that she seems to have become, she still has positive human values. I am not a fan of the choices regarding the little sisters in Bioshock 1 while a lot of people loved it, I think it is not interesting, it does not change the gameplay drastically, and it does not lead to different narratives through the game, it just changes the ending, the final cutscene (and some minors dialogues in Tenenbaum's lair), and there is only one ending that I love and that make sens to me, the one when Jack saves the little sister, the other one is just completely off and was, if I recall correctly, something the publisher asked for. Now, the ending of the DLC saves that for me, it is not just an episode that tell us that Elizabeth was ready to endure the torture for Sally and so revealing that she cares for her, someone she doesn't know but have empathy for, but also more important than that, she has faith in Jack, also someone she doesn't know, but Jack is not anybody to us, it is us, the player, so in a way, she has faith in us, she has faith that we will make the best choices for Sally and the other little sisters. This is how I interpret the very last part of the DLC and It makes the ending strong and the whole episodes so worth it. For the main plot of Infinite regarding the multiverse. I don't like any interpretations that implies that Infinite has choosen the Many Worlds interpretation, that is when a choice appears, the universe split and that each split contains the different possible choices. There is nothing at any point of the main game (the DLC kinda messes with this) that implies Many World interpretation. The main game states that something that can be call a multiverse exist, and this multiverse is best described by the sentence "Constants and Variables"...and that's it. For example: when Booker first met with Elizabeth in the library, she is holding a book call "The principles of Quantum Mechanics" , the event takes place in 1912, Quantum Mechanic was not already formalised. On top of that, the book was written by Rosalind Lutece, so for me, the game tries to make clear that this is not the Quantum Mechanics of our world as we know it but something somewhat similar, yet, not completely. I think people want to take anything regarding multiverse through the scope of Many world interpretation with branching diagrams and everything. While most of the time it is appropriate to do so, I think it is not with this game. This is why I don't like when people try to explain the ending by using diagrams. At the end, Elizabeth was able to create a state where all Bookers and all Comstocks are one and the same, and therefore killing that one person here, means killing all of them and the universe will adapt to it. that's it, that is all we need to understand, Elizabeth has the ability to reset everything and she does it. Trying to go with diagrams will lead to an unsatisfying ending (at least to me). Regarding the post ending sequence, it is maybe a way to tell us that she failed. But it may also be a way to tell us that she succeeded. It may also be another Booker that didn't go to the Baptism at all. One could argue at that point that I am using the "Constants and Variables" sentence as a way out to not think further and to not acknowledge the problem of the coherence regarding the sequences of the plot and so forth. I agree that by not trying to go further that "Constants and Variables", one could feel the meaning of the ending a bit shallow, it is nonetheless a trade off that I accept to take because it leads toward one of the most beautiful and poetic ending that I can think of (at least to me). That "Constants and Variables" sentence does not just explain the universe of the game (narratively) but can encompass much more. It takes into account the different experiences that different players would have. Each players will go into the same scripted events, the same narrative beats, the same levels etc..., those are the Constants. Players will also have different playthroughs to one another, one might take this rifle, another will choose to upgrade that power at that time, another will have a low amount of bullets in that specific sequence while others will have much more, players will experience different feeling throughout the game etc..., those are the Variables. It also allows to put in light the very structure of a Bioshock game (there is always a lighthouse, always a city, always a man like said in the game), but there is more, it allows to put in light the very structure of many video games, (there is always a city, a place where the player explores ; there is always a lighthouse, a way to go to that city, the very beginning of a new adventure ; there is most of the time a man, an antagonist, a rival)(interpretation taken from Leadhead). But it doesn't stop there, Bioshock Infinite is a video game, it is program, a series of coded instructions that is made by using constants and variables, so the very fabric of the game is made of constants and variables and it is so feeting that in the narrative of the game, the law of physics of the game world is govern by constants and variables. But also, every game is a program and therefore is made out of constants and variables. So, how many worlds to explore, how many experiences ,how many games can be made ? Well, the game answers it, it is infinite. So, this is why I like that interpretation because when I look at the lighhouses at the end, I don't just see the world of Bioshock Infinite and its differents "versions" or the different Rapture, but I also see the many games that has been and will be, It is the promise of many world to explore, to be a part of, the different experiences that different players can have playing something similar, and all of this thinks to "Constants and Variables".

[@oh_ethan_stop3571]

Beautiful

[@stuflu8380]

This man’s comment has chapters

[@jakedizzle]

Tl;dr

[@pocketsdsquirrel3207]

Anna's pinky severing into another is what causes her powers. She is now able to exist in 2 different worlds. And that's powerful enough

[@silverstreak1981]

Fantastic story, probably one of the best in games. However I do not think it’s potential was fully realised due to the frankly average gameplay. The game itself, especially after the first third, is actually incredibly dull and repetitive. The first Bioshock, whilst still not perfect, has the gameplay to match the story, and at the time felt incredibly fresh.

[@medg0798]

Yes yes ! Please do a retrospective on all the games. I listen and watch retrospective on games while I try to relax. Afterwork

[@justhaku9240]

YOOO I WAS WAITING FOR THIS! Thank you Gingy, whether criticism or praise you're fair, so I'm excited to watch this with infinite being my favorite

[@jacobbowlby5957]

This game was so fascinating during the first play through but it just can’t hold up on multiple runs like the others can. All of the big twists and turns just get bogged down for me by some of the more stale combat in the trilogy. And then the dlc came out and just couldn’t even come close to Minerva’s den. I’ll never forget that first play through though that’s for sure

[@garretthaslam3869]

I can't say I really agree with all your points, as many of them seem to whittle down to subjective suspension of disbelief. However I do think the video is well put together and as an analysis of perspective and viewpoint I think you did a great job! I'm looking forward to watching more of your videos now.

[@crnlonewolf3195]

While I like the setting and character and parts of the story the part that lose me is the part where we go through the tears like I get what they trying to but i just get lost and uninterested also I feel like the story change a lot. Find your video on bioshock 2 great video by the way thought I was the alone one who liked

[@bobdickens3674]

I loved this game. Played it on Xbox 360, expecting to see the underwater bioshock, but the sky city dynamic was certainly very interesting. Guns are kinda boring, you pretty much only have to use them because of lack of ammo in certain dungeon areas. Everything else looks really nice. The companion idea was really cool. Finally finished it in PC, and the ending was surprising and certainly fitting

[@cruznix4741]

I wonder if it would have been better to do dishonored style combat encounters, where they are not necessary and your method of handling them impacts the ending.

[@chickentenders3018]

Infinite is one of my all time favorite games. I thought the gameplay was immersive, the character development was fantastic, and the story line literally blew me away and messed me up for like a week. It’s not perfect, certainly, but it also certainly does not deserve the hate that it receives.

[@riso-1919]

True

[@Siruelf]

Criticism is hate now? It's pretty simple, people are starting to realize how mediocre Bioshock infinite really is, especially compared to the other 2 Bioshock's.

[@chickentenders3018]

@@Siruelf I’m okay with criticism. I even said myself that it’s not perfect. But it has a reputation for absolutely no reason at all that it’s a completely trash game not worth playing. That’s simply not true. Would recommend to all my gamer friends.

[@Siruelf]

@@chickentenders3018 Bioshock Infinite is barely a Bioshock game in the first place. The story doesn't work well and stumbles all over the place. The gameplay is a straight downgrade from Bioshock 2 both in mechanics and level design. Bioshock fans have realized these things on retrospect and have been criticiszing it lately. I've never heard a youtuber say the game is trash and not worth playing like you claim. Maybe some random people on the internet have but it's not like everyone acts as if it's the worst game ever made. When Infinite fans gush all over Bioshock Infinite's story it's hard to resist calling them out. The story heavily depends on being confusing and trying to be deep. Colombia is barely explored as a city and is just a backdrop. Comstock is just a racist bad guy who doesn't even come close to compare to Ryan or Lamb and the game is so focused on Booker and Elizabeth that nothing else really matters. So why is it even a Bioshock game? I don't think Bioshock Infinite is trash, neither does everyone else. But it has a lot of irredeemable flaws. That's why there are so many video essays being made on the game in retrospect.

[@markcarpenter6020]

The problem with this is the writer isn't as smart as they think they are. Across infinite timelines it is literally impossible for ever booker to make the same choice for anything , let alone stuff like wonded knee. See in infinite parallel timelines every choice you make creates a timeline for each possible choice, this creates a lot timelines. But it means its impossible for them to kill just Comstock. The only solution would be to murder bookers parents before he wad born

[@survivordave]

So a few clarifications/my own speculation on some of the plot holes you brought up in BaS: 1) One thing that's easy to get confused on is that there were actually two basically independent projects to make Big Daddies: Gil Alexander and Suchong. Gil Alexander worked for Fontaine and was the first to show success with the Alpha series but his BDs could only be bonded to a single specific sister. The Bouncers and Rosies were Suchong's though. He was sort of playing both sides of the fence, but I think publicly he worked for Ryan, hence why he wasn't exiled to the Department Store. The type of Big Daddy bond that Elizabeth helped create wasn't starting from scratch. Suchong had thrown the proverbial kitchen sink of chemical/biologic/psychologic bonding techniques at his Big Daddies but nothing was overcoming the Little Sister's fear of the Suchong's Big Daddies, and he couldn't make his Big Daddies care about the sisters. (He said as much in an audio log). It probably has to do with if you make these giants have zero self-preservation instincts so they'll fight to the death, it doesn't work to try and use self-preservation as a bond. They just don't care about dying without the sisters' Adam. When Elizabeth told the Sisters to give him Adam, it wasn't that it's a plot hole that the Big Daddies were supposedly retconned to not have any splicing when they were spliced to the gills originally; it's the Big Daddies were a) as part of the as yet unsuccessful attempts to bond them, Suchong had made BDs dependent on a special type of Adam they could only get from the LSs and b) even if that hadn't been the case, Adam has a healing effect and he was injured, so he literally needed Adam to get back on his feet. 2) This kitchen sink of bonding techniques meant that there was probably some success in bonding; it just wasn't consistent. In E2 I think we see a blueprint of the grappling drill used by the BD who killed Booker/Comstock and off-screen Elizabeth, and the reason it didn't appear in BS1 or 2 is because the mix of gases used to shoot the drill across a room was making the Big Daddies unstable, so the blueprints said to discontinue use. This unstable aggression probably interacted with the failed bonding techniques to push the BD to protect Sally like he was supposed to but also caused him to turn on Elizabeth despite her not manhandling Sally. 3) The explanation for how Elizabeth lost her powers is kinda fuzzy and doesn't quite pass the fridge test, but basically if you're in the omniscient/reality hopping state the Luteces and Elizabeth are in, the rules are apparently that if you as a quantum god are killed in a reality, you're fine but the price to return to that same reality where you died is to give up your quantum superpowers. It's likely that Elizabeth saw through all the doors the only way to turn Rapture Booker back into Comstock, to make him remember what he forgot, was to take him through the events of BaS E1 which would ultimately end in Elizabeth's death. No big, it's not like she wanted to return to that particular reality. But after she did what she did, the guilt of using Sally as bait and leaving her to her fate at the hands of the splicers ate at her so much she had to make it right, despite it costing her her powers and ending in her murder by Atlas.

[@glitchedsushi]

1:02:49 Rapture: “You couldn’t live with your own failure , where did that bring you? Back to me”

[@chemistrypolar]

Just have been recommended the first video a few days ago and I was very excited to see this one, since Infinite is my favorite in the series I didint think that much about the plot holes, even in burial at sea, I've seen lots of lots of videos just talking about ludonarrative dissonance and I was very happy to see someone talking about the game besides that, normally I watch this kinds of videos on the background while I do something, but this time I had to watch it focused The quality of the video is amazing and the points that you make about the game are valid, some parts where a pain in the ass, especially when I was playing on the 1999 mode, but after all of this, is still my favorite game not only in the series, but all time

[@SLICIDMUSIC]

pleaseee do the novels, i’ve always thought of how i could get into them and how they would add to the world of bioshock as a whole amazing vids by the way, i loved experiencing everything with you in my memory haha.

[@bryandacote8109]

Just wanna say; yes Ryan was already born by 1912. He and his father escaped from Russia during the Russian Revolution when the Bolsheviks came to power which was only a couple years later. Ryan was a child (about 7) and saw his aunt and uncle being killed by Bolshevik soldiers; stemming a hatred for Socialist and Communist ideals for the rest of his life.

[@place_holder2160]

was this andrew ryan or just literally ayn rand?

[@phoebeglasscock7149]

Despite its flaws, I still have a soft spot for this game

[@slythewolf123]

There are a couple videos out there talking about how the removal of all choice is intentionally in stark contrast to bioshock 1 and 2. 21:15 in the video. In Bioshock you play as jack, made as a slave, but eventually becomes someone who can make their own choices and get different endings. Where as for all the individuality in Bioshock, you never really get any choices intentionally. Every decision you make means nothing in the end, and you were always going to end up at the same place. Every version of you made essentially one choice in your life and everything ends up the same in the end, with very slight variation. 100s of alternate yous in the same place.

[@presentmic2288]

The thing that’s always felt off that brakes the game is elizabeth final choice when she kills booker she doesn’t do enything cosmicly due to the fact she has now made the decision to drown booker will make it so now there’s more time lines where booker fights back, one where he servives the drowning, one where a meteor hits her in the head killing her e.g the game says about choice but makes it so you have none and even elizabeth who’s ment to have the power of choice has none or brakes what thay try to make choice in a multiverse isn’t real it has been done, hasn’t, will and won’t happen so killing booker and going to rapture on her part isn’t a choice it’s a composery action

[@itsmeevan027]

The definition of average is, "a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number." Let's say there were 1000 games released only in 2013. Can you name 499 games better than Bioshock Infinite? Donthat for tye 2010 decade. Can you name 4,999 games better than Bioshock Infinite? This is what ther word average means. The game is not average.

[@yao5921]

Infinite ending is amazed to see for the first time, but when I tried to play it again to see if I missed any clues along the way, I found the process to reach the ending was so boring, I gave up half way. This is the worst of the Bioshock series. I feel sorry the series end at a bad note, and we probably will never see another sequel.

[@2010vintagesandwichenjoyer]

I honestly dont even consider infinite as a part of the series since it has literally nothing in common with previous 2 games Its just 6 hour linear shooter with story that has more plotholes that cheese in my fridge

[@mayj0lly]

This is my favourite video ever I can’t lie I rewatch it everyday whilst getting ready to go out Perfect video length

[@henrytherat8464]

The youtube algorithm actually did something good for once. Randomly recommended the bioshock videos to me yesterday, and all of a sudden I see you uploaded this video here today. Thank you youtube I guess? Great videos by the way.

[@daghaggmark1764]

I'm replaying all of the bioshock games and have been watching your other videos. Great stuff!

[@tylersomerville313]

I vote yes on the directors cut of this series

[@edsylvester751]

Yes please, if could combine series into 1 video it would be amazing. Great videos btw and appreciate the work done to put together videos like this

[@Gingy]

Hey so since this video is quite old, I did end up combining all the BioShock episodes together a long time ago which you can watch here. kzbin.info/www/bejne/poSXfJZ3q956rLc

[@rocketr8968]

To be quite honest, I loved Bioshock 1 and Bioshock 2 because of the gameplay. I didn't really care for the story. Which is why I preferred Bioshock 2 over Bioshock 1. When I played Bioshock Infinite, I hated it. It felt nothing like the Bioshock I played before. Upgrading weapons wasn't satisfying, and I could not manipulate my environment. I loved taking my time and hacking every camera and sentry to serve me, so I could turn an area that was meant to be a trap to become a trap for my enemies. With Bioshock Infinite, I felt nothing of that. I hated the final boss fight where we could use the big bird because I couldn't find a place to buy ammo, and because you are only limited to two weapons, you stick to the most powerful weapons, even though their ammo is rare, because you may not find them anymore. Also, I didn't understand the story whatsoever. When it came time to try the DLC, I uninstalled the game. I wasn't not going through all of that again.

[@SpadeApeiron]

Yea i truly hated Vox Populi finkton thing now tht u mentioned it i hated playing that like its filler in an extremely Suspenseful story ~

[@DouglasMeloche]

Thank you for breaking down each detail, and it's significance, in this video. Really changed my perspective, and makes me want to give this title a fresh playthrough

[@daxisperry7644]

It really annoys me when the line, "You don't like it because you don't understand it." Gets used, because it feels like such a cop out. Just because something is Complex, doesnt make it Good. You can have a really complicated story and have it just be a crappy story.

[@billybois5745]

The fact that killing the Booker you play as deletes all Elizabeths (which apparently it doesn't even end up doing that) it's moronic, considerong all the infinite timelines babble 5 minutes before that

[@coolgoyim1133]

I’m fine with the infinite’s ending giving the series more possibilities of alternate plots, but that dlc is so unnecessary and corny for making anna be the most vital and important person in the whole series to the point of retconning a good established story to bioshock 1 n 2’s storytelling.

[@oliver.n278]

Agreed 100%

[@possiblymaddie]

Just watched the other two videos again yesterday. Love these!!

[@joshuacapron8358]

So lemme get this straight...Booker dies before becoming Comstock, but he still gets Anna and Annabelle still dies. So now does that mean that Robert Lutece never appeared to help him with his debts? Does Anna never become Elizabeth as we know her since Comstock never existed to capture her? And if so, does that essentially mean that this entire game and everything that happens in it ultimately mean nothing as it all gets erased? So.......its essentially just the time traveler's dead grandpa paradox but with extra steps? If someone can explain this to me in a way that makes sense, then I'm open to hearing it, but it has never sat right with me even when I first played it. Every time I replayed this game, I could follow the story fine up until Booker and Elizabeth start dimension hopping. Then things just got too confusing, and I can't help but feel like the writers relied on this confusion too much to make the players think that the rug was being pulled out from under them, and then they'd mindlessly praise this game for "subverting your expectations" or something else equally strange. Then my brother watched the ending, and immediately showed me the "How Does King Crimson Work???" video, since it reminded him of that. And that sums it up perfectly. As of right now, I do not believe that the writers fully thought this story or its ending through, and that combined with the gameplay leaves me very disappointed with this game. Don't get me wrong, I still think this game has lots of value, one great example being the political dynamics between the Founders and the Vox Populi, and how the oppressed can be just as bad as their oppressors. That I feel is a truly relevant point that many in the political world today need to understand. Just because you or your ancestors have been oppressed before doesn't excuse destruction or violence of any kind, even in retaliation, as was seen with how far the Vox took things in this game. If you like this game, good for you. Heck, I even find myself replaying this and still including it in my BioShock marathons despite everything I just said. But the main storyline and the gameplay are not enough to elevate this to the same level as BioShock 1 and 2 for me. Excellent video! Great job!

[@Bascinet-billy]

I always felt the bioshock infinite was never fitting of the title of a "bioshock" game. BioShock is about a 1950's city built on the seafloor. While bioshock infinite is a game about a city in the sky with the aesthetic of the early days of America. I feel maybe they should've marketed it as "from the creators from bioshock" or something so they could at the very least say it had some association to the series without making it part of the BioShock mythos.

[@crystalwilliams7261]

Yeah combine them into one big project! :D

[@rebx12]

just found your channel and binging all your content, really love this type of analysis video. great work my guy🙏

[@comicnerd101A]

I always thought Booker as he's shown in burial at sea part 2 to be Elizabeth's subconscious memory/personification of her powers

[@JeffreySmiles_]

I love Infinite, I love Elizabeth, I even love the dlc...but most of all, I loved your honesty.😁

[@evanrutledge-sz4yo]

So from what I got during my play through and now your commentary, this is how I think quantum mechanics work within the Bioshock series. Anna is super imposed throughout the multiverse due to her pinky being cut off by a dimensional tear. The Lutece twins are similar due to their experiments with the Lutece machine. This allows them to travel between dimensions at will, while also being immune to the adverse mental effects of cross dimensional travel; memory loss, insanity, etc. This could also explain how Booker didn’t lose his mind after going to a universe where he died, perhaps it’s possible that Anna is able to collapse imposed objects into a single instance, similar to how she pulls items and parts of the level out form other universes using tears, which would allow Booker to basically maintain a constant state as he travels with Anna, whereas everyone else is stuck between several states of existence, which is what causes the insanity. This also explains the ending of the game, as Anna has become so powerful she’s able to collapse not only instances of objects, but entire universes onto each other into a single point, allowing her to erase comstock and Pinkerton Booker. The reason Booker can’t remember Anna or comstock at the beginning is because when the Lutece twins brought him to the Columbia reality, he became super imposed, his brain being filled with several different memories of different versions of himself, namely Comstock. Due to how the Brain biological functions to make sense of information, It made up the “bring us the girl and wipe away to debt” in order to make sense of it all, (at least that’s how I think it’s explain in the story). This was done on purpose by the Lutece twins as apart of their experiment. Now on to how one comstock escaped the purge. I believe that, in the absence of game, they’re not necessarily traveling to alternate realities, they’re traveling to different **timelines** that exist within the same universe, this is what the Lutece twins refer to as “perspective”, not traveling to several alternate realities, rather looking at the same one differently, sort of like a prism. The reason why one comstock got away was because they went to rapture, which seems to be in a different reality completely separate from Columbia, allowing them to escape being collapsed along with the other versions. While I think these are decent explanations, I would have helped with Infinite did a better job at explaining these concepts rather than being so vague about them. If infinite was structured like the first game, I can easily imagine multiple levels based around explaining how quantum mechanics work, similar to how each part of Rapture explained how it functioned. I just wish we got that attention to detail, as if Columbia, while being beautiful, lacks what made Rapture so interesting and lived in.

[@icecreamsunday5737]

I feel like it would have been a good idea to focus the dlcs more on Columbia rather than rapture because while I love bioshock Infinite I didn't really connect with Columbia as much as I did with rapture and i feel like spending more time in Columbia could have fixed that.

[@buddyzilla4557]

You mentioned how the DLC was unessisary but it not only finishes some of the meta connections between the three BS games but gives some story answers to questions you had. For instance, you ask why Daisy wiped the blood in herself. We learn in the DLC that Daisey wasn't as off the rails as she seemed and never intended to kill the kid. She was being guided by the Luteces to help Elizabeth on the right path to get to the version of herself they needed. They knew for her to become the Elizabeth from that reality she needed to get a taste of blood herself and thus kill Daisy. This would be achieved by the justification that Daisy was going to kill the kid. the scene we are a fly is the wall, too, has them debriefing this to Daisy, who doesn't want to kill the kid. They yell her it isn't nessisary, just that Elizabeth be convinced she WILL. That's why Daisy seems to go completly bloodthirsty and out of character from nowhere. Just like with Elizabeth's bad crying earlier, she is acting to get Elizabeth to panic and murder her rashly in an attempt to save the kid. Elizabeth had no idea this was a farce or that the Luteces were pulling the strings. Daisy was just fulfilling THEIR orders to ensure the outcome they promised her would happen. She had to be a martyr to the unwitting real hero so she could later find the strength to do what was needed no matter what. Lose her innocence and find her resolve to end a life for the greater good. It's a real surprising narrative moment that both redeems Daisy's character and confirms what we already suspected..the Lutences were even more involved than they let on. They orchestrated everything but on a grander scale and across a lot more dimensions in deep detail. It's very eerie and causes Elizabeth to seem even more like Jack from the first game in that everything she does is guided by the pupetmastwrs, even when she seems the one with all the power.

[@allenharper2928]

Yeah, we get it. Daisy can do no wrong.

[@bipstymcbipste5641]

They made that up later to retcon her being caught up in her revenge against her oppressors, my dude. I'm pretty sure they were called racist for that

[@Shazam1998]

@@allenharper2928 He literally just stated what was shown in the game. There is no opinion here. "Daisy can do no wrong." as some sort of insult doesnt even apply here.

[@wiaf8937]

as i have never played infinite: thanks for dumping the lore into my brain, sir. you earned a new sub :)

[@riso-1919]

You shouldve played it blind its amazing

[@Kira_Official_]

I left a comment on the BioShock 2 video saying I was going through these games for the first time. I just got done completing BioShock Infinite, and the ending only left me confused, especially for a couple of things. I got even more confused when a buddy of mine said to make parallels with BioShock 1, and that Fink was Atlus, which means Fink is also Fontaine, Comstock is Andrew Ryan, and Elizabeth is Jack. That only made everything even more confusing as I had no idea what he meant and what that meant. I'm really hoping this video helps me understand better. Edit: I understand a lot better what happened at the end of BioShock Infinite, but Burial at Sea episode 2 is… odd. Not because I thought it was bad, but because it throws Elizabeth into the story of Rapture's downfall, all because of the reason of feeling guilty about using Sally just to kill Comstock. I didn't think about it, but I really do enjoy that Infinite is its own story. Have both games be set in the same universe, but I'm not a huge fan of the reason for a lot of the technology existing in both games, is because Elizabeth decided to open a tear just to get revenge against Comstock. Atlus only knows the "Would you kindly?" Phrase to use against Jack, because Elizabeth. A buddy of mine likes this because it ties all of the games together into a neat bow, but that's honestly not necessary. I don't know, in the end I think it was just okay, but if I ever return back to play BioShock 1, a lot of the information I learn about kinda loses it's meaning because Elizabeth was the reason for a lot of it happening. Atlus' plan only happens the way that it does, not because he took the initiative to make things happen and overthrow Andrew Ryan, but because he saw a window of opportunity in Elizabeth, because Ghost Booker told her what to do. BioShock is still ultimately, in my opinion, the best and is my favorite.

[@Ronam0451]

Don't waste your time trying to understand it. It makes no sense and it's just dumb.

[@UnHellTowers]

I love that years later people are still making 1 hour long videos on this game.

[@matteoceleste4406]

I finally was able to play this game thanks to epic games putting it up for free. I finished it in a day and a half. The gameplay was pretty boring and repetitive (I really rarely used vigors since they felt pretty bland to me except two) but the story, art style, main characters and general feel were awesome

[@Karkafs-Desiderium]

You should play BioShock 1&2+Minevas Den DLC, All three are better then BioShock Infinite

[@zealotguy]

@31:00 what's the confusion? She is bathing in the blood of her enemy. Sounds pretty on brand for any revolutionary to celebrate like that.

[@zidanelionheart]

Wow I hated playing this on release, and now watching this I realize why. The end cutscene is just entirely made up contrivances, I hate it, it’s just so goofy and nonsensical.

[@jdthejugoo]

Found you a couple days ago and have already watched the Bioshock video 2-3 times. Hyped this just dropped

[@iian5830]

I replayed the bioshock collection last week in playstation, i gotta say i love the nostalgia.

[@spice2110]

Found you 2 weeks ago and I'm binge watching every video and I'm schocked you have no patreon. Unreal I wanna support your channel so badly.

[@kevburke]

I figured out Elizabeth was Anna within about 15 mins of starting the game so I didn't really get sucked into the plot and the gameplay was nothing special. I preferred Rapture, as an environment, and so over all, Infinite just didn't really do much for me.

[@sebastjanjapelj9393]

Honestly, Infinite's story made me furious with it's story. They try to make a story using themes of parallel universes (my favourite theme) and time travel, however they fail to execute it, because of lack of understanding. What I mean by this? Well, infinite possibilities equals infinite universes, right? So Elizabeth killing Booker, would be pointless, because in a different universe she didn't kill him (doesn't matter what reason, again infinite possibilities), same with Booker killing Comstock, it would be pointless. That's not all! The game forgets (or probably doesn't know) about the Grandfather Paradox! Meaning Elizabeth killing Booker is not only pointless, but also dumb! And that is just the tip of the ice berg. TL:DR It has big themes, yet it either does them poorly and or strait up Terribly!

[@aaallleeexx22]

i feel the same as you with this game, this is the worst bioshock and unnecessary dlc ruined even more

[@alexanderchon9058]

I have interpret the end of Infinite is the following, after Elizabeth and her alternate selves killed Booker, ending the branching timeline mess and the entire chaos that happened in Infinite got reset but with some major changes. Rosalind Lutece managed to stabilized the tears that it can no longer sterilize someone after frequent uses, but also jump to any point on their own timeline meaning Comstock Booker had to put up with doesn't need to kidnap Booker's baby daughter since he can sire his own child, while the Booker we play is back in his own timeline no longer a gambler and alcoholic and has not only baby Anna peacefully sleeping in her crib but also his wife alive and well.

[@Poet482]

I will always be baffled by how people think this game is "great" when it's a mess and the plot is bad. It's got good moments here and there, but it's lazy. Brings up heady ideas and does nothing with them, and that seems to trick people into thinking it's profound when it's just a reason to keep the plot moving. The 2-weapon limit is awful, too. Nothing in this game makes me look back on it fondly. Everything is a frustrating mess.