A Masterclass On The Mess We're In w/. George Monbiot

An incredible explanation of 'neoliberalism' and what it really means.
Check out his new book with Peter Hutchison: The Invisible Doctrine: The Secret History of Neoliberalism (& How It Came to Control Your Life).
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[@futures2247]

Its a shame Owen was duped into one of neoliberals profitable fads - the commercialisation and medicalisation of every day life - He came to believe he had been diagnosed with 'adhd' when diagnosis simply does not exist in the absence of a proximal cause - never mind a glance at the history of this label and the rest of the DSM - all well established work - demonstrates that each iteration of psychiatry has been more harmful than the one before it - this current paradigm of labelling and drugging just about everything that walks as 'disordered or the new rebranded and highly profitable 'neurodiverse' is the most harmful of all.

[@DebacleUK]

Thank you Owen and George. Always have time for Mr Monbiot, a man of high moral principles

[@karinbiow9110]

Great interview, which seems to justify my “shared ranting” with others. Preaching to the choir feels so useless sometimes, but it has inspired me to get involved with broader groups. As an older person with limited means, time and $, it’s hard for me to do much more than make calls or send emails…but I’m sending my words into the void. My government is so unresponsive, even though I live in a “progressive US state. In the US, we have to get rid of political PAC $, because most politicians votes are bought these days, especially when it comes to Israel/Palestine or challenging policies that favor the wealthy. I can’t believe how much the US has declined in the 75 years since I was born.

[@Ola-dv1tz]

UK General Election - They are running away from being guilty re Palestine!!!!!!! You did it!!! You did it!!!!!!

[@johninman7545]

Naomi Klein backs this Neo Liberalism.,the enemy of self rule and democracy

[@PerceivedREALITY999]

Thank you Owen and George. Independent journalists with journalistic integrity are the heroes of our time.

[@azalia423]

They're inviting us to see more clearly. Thank you, Owen for bringing us George Monbiot.

[@perrymason866]

Politics Joe had him on the other day too. A really great communicator of this serious issue!

[@stephenholmes1036]

Ha ha ha ha metropolitan, middle class, neoliberals. Try reading Private Eye for facts

[@perrymason866]

@@stephenholmes1036 you think Owen and Monbiot are neoliberals? 😂😂 all those wealth redistributive ideas of the classic neoliberal!

[@franzgrosser]

The more I listen to George Monbiot, the more I see clarity about society and the world at large!

[@redparrot448]

you and me both - should be in every classroom

[@a.brekkan4965]

Does GM want to take us back to the 70s?

[@peterschaffter826]

"A society of altruists governed by psychopaths." Brilliant. Thanks, George.

[@nigglenoo]

Yes this exact phrase stuck in my mind as well, we are allowing ourselves to be gaslit into believing we are just as psychopathic as they are.

[@mshtysf4646]

altruists ? where do you think the psychopaths were born, grow up, learned and mentally shaped ... A product of society and they are but a reflection in a puddle. the People are the same as the politicians, sure not everyone is psychopathic, but the majority are. the brits can see a case of modern colonial oppression and they are okay with it. it stems from their roots. and politicians voice it.

[@DJBONEZDIEZ]

💪

[@peace-c2r]

This is due to corporate influence. See the CDN documentary, The Corporation to learn they're "masks of limited liability" driven by "shareholder tyranny" and you'll see why reasonable seeming politicians act like psychopaths.

[@Zilma-jm8sz]

psychopaths are altruist in their own minds brah

[@user-ds7sn3wy8q]

Please sign petitions and speak out for Julian Assange. It's now desperate . Reporting war crimes is not a crime. Thank you. Free assange.

[@jj-uy6qs]

has Monbiot everysaid anything in support of Julian? In the past, he has been completely dismissive of Assange's plight

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

@@jj-uy6qs I read a long while ago that a campaigning organisation asked him to write about Assange but he claimed he hadn't enough time and there were too many other things to write about. Of course, potentially losing his well-paid Guardian column (as that newspaper was central to Assange's imprisonment) might have something to do with it.

[@platylobiumobtuseangulum1607]

Seconding that.

[@EdSurridge]

Not to my knowledge. The Guardian news paper he worked or works at said nothing for years until shamed into a belated pathetic Attempt. I understand they are making lots of money on the USA​@@jj-uy6qs

[@kimshaw-williams]

@@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx Did not get or twig that connection.

[@gerritverburg4105]

After travelling the World. I can testify that poor People can share. Rich people never have enough.They just want more. There is enough to Feed but not enough for Greed

[@stephenholmes1036]

Poor people can share? Poor people do share! Some rich people vmcan share but are far fewer in proportion

[@Zilma-jm8sz]

CORRECT. It's like that in general at least. 👍🏻

[@a.randomjack6661]

Socrates and friends: ‘Wealth is addictive, the rich will eventually destroy society'. It’s why profits is the deadliest of all addictions.

[@sprinkz6187]

Israel will never let the world forget about one day of retaliation by the real victims, while never letting you remember the 75 years of brutality against Palestinians by the oppressors

[@verraguid]

September 2001

[@wendyfay16]

Their behaviour has well & truly overshadowed that opportunity~!!

[@theredboneking]

@@verraguidthe B thing

[@dl1361]

@@verraguidGerald Shea memorandum!!

[@brianferguson7840]

In 2018 Israeli soldiers shot over 6,000 Palestinians. In many cases they were shot with illegal expanding ammunition. So, did the present iteration of this problem begin on 7th October 2023 (1,200 casualties) or March/Dec 2018 (6,000 casualties) Discus ??

[@davidmcculloch8490]

I admire the work of George and his writing alerted me to Neoliberalism some years ago. I went on to write a free ebook titled The Real Miracle of Neoliberalism. The miracle being getting the poor to vote for the rich to have more. The necessary lies were facilitated by Thatcher's crude conditioning: "There is no such thing as society". I'm looking forward to reading the new book; George researches thoroughly and writes clearly and incisively. George also mentions building consensus. The work of Gary Stevenson (a former financial trader) on inequality eventually leading to an economic crash is a powerful example. There is hope if we keep working towards the tipping point.

[@tia904]

Nothing new in speaker's ways of looking ... mr xst stll. Unfortunately, that's not what is happening. In reality, the cap now no longer want mar ket forces, ex co m peti tion, and now they are literally running the g vts. It's called corp or atism.

[@paulgibby6932]

14:58 exactly "You are constantly urged to internalize this notion of blame, and structural failure, systemic failure these things are simply denied, airbrushed out of the picture".

[@angelmossucco]

😮

[@magingi]

Neo liberalism in NZ has resulted in Kiwi's paying export prices for fish, beef and lamb, which exist in abundance. Accordingly, while the country can earn much money, most people eat fish fingers from Asia, and sausages and mince meat or fast food. We even import beef and pork from Europe and North America. Something about emissions mitigation policies.

[@queenvagabond8787]

Same, UK Lamb used to be cheap, now we pay a ton for your NZ Lamb! Its insanity!

[@magingi]

​@@queenvagabond8787 You may pay a ton for NZ lamb in the UK, but often, NZ lamb is cheaper in the UK than it is in NZ. True story. Due to the volume; economies of scale. A most peculiar situation of course.

[@lamalama9717]

I've noticed that after decades of being given free rein, the neo-liberals in NZ are out of ideas. ACT has only expanded recently because of its focus on culture wars, not because it has anything fresh to offer economically.

[@stephenholmes1036]

​@@queenvagabond8787i suggest you try farming sheep

[@queenvagabond8787]

@@stephenholmes1036 My granda did, actually, I'm from the NE of Scotland 😅

[@HM-px5ei]

Just fascinating, I feel like I've been living under a cloud! Thanks for your illumination & honesty. We need more sincerity like yours.

[@charlesabboud1613]

Owen you’re on fire these days, Keeping Israel’s feet to the fire, here and in the Guardian today and now this…and always really well informed, really articulate and across the details…

[@PaulAmbrose-bo7zq]

Just when I'm bummed out and exhausted from fighting the system , Owen gives me hope. Preach to the choir and expand the circle ! Brilliant.

[@Kas-kw4xf]

Agree....brilliant!

[@zoo-xibbitjayne2081]

I think the motive was to make sure all of 'the circle' is on the same page.

[@neos4517]

Owen is great, but so is George! I felt a momentary wave of optimism, before my cynical worldview took over. :)

[@alst4817]

Is this supposed to be a parody? It’s very clever 😂

[@peacelove8529]

Despite the brutality of the powerful and fanatical in this world, we must never lose our faith in humanity and justice. Only in this way can human rights be preserved. thank you Mr. Owen and Mr. George. free free palestine ✊✊🇵🇸🇵🇸🇵🇸❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@littlefurrow2437]

Thanks

[@28highlife]

Our faith in humanity and justice is teetering on a dangerous precipice. Let’s see if the ICC and ICJ judges will issue warrants against Matanyahu and his thugs, only then will we really know if there’s reason to have any faith in humanity .

[@lestrem11]

Free London. From the Thames to the sea.✌

[@pcliff9473]

George is a national treasure. If only we have policitians who cared about our country and the world like him

[@karenlp5867]

This has given me hope for the future. I’m nearly 50, and I desperately want our society to reach the tipping point in public opinion while I’m still around to see it.

[@MargaretDeakin-d6m]

Thank you, Owen and George for this interview.❤ George, your approach to making the subject of Neoliberalism more easy to understand is really effective for us, the audience. 😊

[@internationalrtg5602]

The two best British journalists at the moment thanks guys ❤

[@darkshadowrule2952]

Isn't Owen Irish?

[@kevintipcorn6787]

@@darkshadowrule2952 He's from Stockport in Greater Manchester. His surname is as Welsh as his first. If he is maybe via his mother or grandparents? I don't think I've ever heard him say he was.

[@stephendoherty981]

​@darkshadowrule2952 No, but we'll claim him if he doesn't object!!

[@MyName-cw4yr]

​@@kevintipcorn6787he's from Bramhall, very wealthy area. It shows in his thinking.....

[@stephenholmes1036]

Ha ha ha ha are you being serious? Both Grauniad if you want journalism read Private Eye

[@chrisevans9342]

When you realise you can build a small cabin ,create your own food production and clean water supply in 8 months you realise the financial system is built to make the few very very rich . Then you realise if the very very rich can get the workers to argue amongst themselves you have "divide and rule " Job done

[@anitarossi5871]

You are doing an excellent job and I am happy to see the numbers of those who follow you increase day after day.

[@evangel1737]

Outstanding Owen You have a knack for finding the most amazing guests. 👏

[@jonathanpaulmartin8046]

The discussion of preaching to the choir felt life changing for me

[@anned6913]

It's a wonderful book, not finished reading it yet. Thank you George and Peter......and thank you Owen.

[@jenspetersimonsen4235]

"... a society of altruist governed by psycopaths ..." - BRILLIANTLY PUT! 🙂

[@Carl-nj1op]

What a charming, civilised man George is. I love his work.

[@sarunds74]

Wonderful discussion. George has such a warm smile!

[@EugenioMarins]

Dear Sires, Absolutely bloody brilliant. I didn't know Mr. Monbiot was such an expert in Brazil's politics! He told the thruth of our recent history in 30 minutes. Cheers from neoliberalism-at-all-costs-even-if-it-failed-everywhere-else Brazil!

[@MrZillaman73]

"To learn who rules over you, simply find out whom you are not allowed to criticize," “The Federal Reserve is an independent agency. And that means basically that there is no other agency of government which can overrule actions that we take.” - Alan Greenspan, former Federal Reserve Chairman Can anyone guess what the common denominator is???

[@mumsow]

I've just come back from hearing Mr Monbiot talk at Bath Spa festival. What an amazing talk it was.

[@frankmontague7544]

🎉 ALTRUISM WORKS! HUMANITY WINS 💪❤ WHEN WE STAND TOGETHER

[@akpanekpo6025]

Two of the planet's greatest educators, I salute you!

[@Iamworthit58]

This conversation about neoliberalism (which I never heard of) was fascinating. This man made so much sense. His optimism and simplicity of his explanations was a joy as English is not my 1st language. Thank for the education. Owen as always you are keeping our mind and knowledge on their toes.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

Too many people have never heard of it - the scam that dares not speak its name. Go out and spread the knowledge!

[@ashfield1425]

I’m a Conservative. I heard the term about 5 years ago. I despise it. It’s an evil ideology.

[@Bungleandgeorge808]

I drop everything when George Monbiot speaks. He inspired me to do Participatory Budgeting, he advocates for it brilliantly

[@alexbetts8291]

The axe tells the forest it is there ally as its shaft is made of wood

[@eleanordoran4576]

Super interview, Owen. George Monbiot offers some amazing insight I to how society works as a complex system and how we can work within our like-minded community to bring about change.

[@haylidumont]

When George hits the point about humans supposedly being greedy and selfish, I refer to these as base instincts over which we have evolved our intelligence to form greater cognitive disciplines such as empathy, cohesion and collaboration.

[@Anduril1974]

I love George, he's an amazing man!

[@stephenholmes1036]

Oh yes definitely a man of metropolitan, middle class , intolerant neoliberalism

[@zukosameer9988]

I will be reading his work - thoroughly enjoyed this conversation, he put so much into perspective for me

[@thomascroft5076]

One of the best books I've read which explains, in very concise and clear terms, how we got to this point in global society, is 'The Unconscious Civilisation' by John Ralston Saul. Written a few decades ago, but still an excellent, and highly accessible, analysis.

[@dazecm]

One of the economic doctrines that is part of the problem is the widely discredited notion of Shareholder Primacy. This is why wages are stagnant and the wealth inequity gap is so obscene.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

The fact that neolioberalism goes under so many names is one of the ways that it has managed to hide in plain sight for so long. Shareholder capitalism is another way of decribing it.

[@uniteddreamer]

Also the lie "we are all shareholders" typified by headlines connecting actions aimed at controlling corporate overreach with hurting pensioners. It's an unending game of obfuscation and outright lying.

[@mtn1793]

I’m retired on a very decent professionally managed investment account and can tell you the record breaking stock market is not reflected in mine or most accounts. I’d guess almost all of it is siphoned off the top by the oligarchs who are the beneficiaries of Neo-liberalism.

[@guillermobernalhernandezgb1612]

Why do we keep saying that Democracy is in danger .when in reality there is not such a thing as Democracy?

[@bradhicks4057]

Because many of the "Powers That Be" want to preserve the distorted version of Democracy now in place, primarily BIG $ politics and a gate kept elite in control.

[@bazs7669]

Fantastic conversation. George is so insightful and a brilliant communicator.

[@annakonda6727]

One of the best videos in a long ,long time! Thanks to both of you.

[@csharpe5787]

Wow, Owen, you are on fire at the moment!

[@EMidMSO]

He certainly is! This is his 3rd superb interview recently. Really on a roll

[@alexchurn8181]

I'm a big fan of the phrase "we are altruists being ruled by psychopaths." I will never not enjoy hearing it.

[@alicequayle4625]

Always brilliant to hear George Monbiot speak and explain things.

[@forrest2416]

Thanks Owen and George.

[@mavisharris692]

This is one of the best description and path to change I've ever heard! Thank you🌻

[@arthurmoore8521]

Thank you both. Thanks Owen for bringing on George and thank you George for you excellent explanations.

[@Madaboutmada]

I love lessons that make me feel smarter instead of just depressed over the state of the world today. There's pure gold nestled into this, particularly on point regarding story telling the narrative behind the lies of neoliberalism. At least today's youth are open to new ideas.

[@eks46]

In case you're wondering, the book's release is June 4. I've pre-ordered mine from my local indie bookstore and can't wait to dive in when it arrives.

[@TheKnittedRaven]

That was a brilliantly educational interview. Just ordered the audio book.

[@delfimoliveira8883]

Fantastic book ive learn to articulate my thoughts about neoliberalism whit it Definitely a must read .

[@mats66]

Brilliant interview

[@satyasyasatyasya5746]

I think on some basic level, with some basic education and explanation in simple clear terms that doesn't take too long, UK people would be receptive to a movement against neoliberalism itself. They just need to be comfortable with the word and grasp what its about.

[@Bungleandgeorge808]

If such a movement happened, it would be brushed aside in a day. Neoliberalism is dead

[@scott4886]

Just ordered the book! Looking forward to reading. Thank you Messrs. Jones and Monbiot for excellent discussion

[@fab11ism]

There is a great book called Human Kind which busts all the neoliberal ideas of the selfish human. In fact, the unique characteristic that makes humans uniquely sucessful is caring for each other and thus working together. Are you speaking in Dublin Owen? Are there tickets?

[@EMidMSO]

Talking of tickets, I wish I had some for Rutger Bregman @ Davos in 2019. As for Owen, he seems to have become an international couch-surfer doesn't he - London, Athens, Dublin .... where will he be broadcasting from next? I just hope it's not because he can't stay too long in one place because of Doxing or Mossad!

[@byrongsmith]

Thank you for bringing George Monbiot on. Please do so again soon.

[@stephenholmes1036]

The man who hates both tbe working class and rural population

[@hscheepmaker]

Great subject, very important it is discussed and laid out clearly how this is an ideology that to a large extent goes against human nature. So, Owen, I have watched your channel quite a bit but today I struggled. As a non-native English speaker with quite a decent command of the language, I think I literally only understood a third of what you were saying. I understand my own limitations, but I really think you could consider slowing it down a little at times and adding less almost tugged away sub sentences.

[@brassen]

I agree. Thanks for speaking out.

[@thuraikumaran330]

Owen,,,we love your debates, please realise you have a Global audience and please slow down on how you talk for many to follow you. A humble request

[@sarahpengelly8439]

George Monbiot is a National Treasure!

[@RebeccaTurner-ny1xx]

So is Stonehenge. Not sure that makes him admirable.

[@megmcguigan3857]

Cool interview and I have ordered the book. It will be nice to read something concise about neo-liberalism.

[@keepitbluezola]

I’m persuaded! Excellent explanation of Neoliberalism, a term I hadn’t heard before the Brexit debate. Stumbling across Gary Stevenson and now understanding how we got here, along with how we/I have been blindsided, my political views have shifted. Brilliant interview, and watched as I always enjoy listening to George.

[@chrisyates2591]

Marvellous analysis. Inspiring vision . Pragmatic guidance. Well done both.

[@BettBeat_Media]

I don't understand why Monbiot still sticks to neoliberalism, and does not go one level deeper: capitalism. Neoliberalism is just a more naked, less constrained version of capitalism. Getting rid of neoliberalism, does not solve the problem.

[@bradhicks4057]

well, he does start off by positing that NL was Capitalism's solution to the problem Democracy caused for it.

[@wadap0]

Brilliant speaker!

[@lina7a1]

I am a big fan of the two of you. South Brazil is under the most horrific natural desastre in living memory. Porto Alegre, the capital is under the water of the river Guaíba, mainly because of the state neglect of the local infrastructures. Neo liberalism have captured the mind of almost every citizen in this country, it’s very difficult to see a positive outcome of the present situation.

[@kateoneal4215]

What a BEAUTIFUL talk!!! Thank you! ❤ US citizens really need to support JILL STEIN who repeatedly says, "This empire must be dismantled to address our domestic needs."

[@bobcornwell403]

What is missing in the counter-narraritive is that accumulation of wealth and power beyond a certain threshold is highly addictive. I would put that in because it explains a lot of behavior that is plainly observable.

[@dancingninjacat]

At such a bleak moment in our history, thank you George and Owen for helping me understanding a real way forward and that every little action helps us towards that tipping point 🙏

[@dianaanthony2981]

It's a fine articulation of the ongoing assault against humanity by the psychopathic elite. It's always some variation of allegiance to a twisted deity/creed and its Chosen Ones. I appreciate the comparison to Calvinism, or just about any other variation of monotheism.

[@PaulMDove2]

Can anyone explain, if the tipping point is usually around 25% of people, why when far more than that are against the arms trade and wars they still go on?

[@mtn1793]

Corruption trumps logic?

[@kimasher]

One law is all it would take to rebalance the system. Every publicly listed company should be 50% owned by its employees.

[@vagabondushibernicus]

Owen and George ❤❤ class act!!

[@GETJUSTICE4U]

George Monbiot is the best source I know for understanding "Neoliberalism". His knowledge and logic is remarkably insightful.

[@GeorgeDale-bm5us]

Not a word from Monbiot about the ecological disaster in the Baltic when Genocide Joe blew up Nordstream. I wonder why. Courageous? I think not

[@HidingFromFate]

It's a relatively short conversation which is focused upon neoliberalism, and you're going to hold it against him for not bringing this up? wow, you're a tough crowd.

[@jaybirddee3790]

Thank you both so much! This was wonderful.

[@richardridings7511]

Great Interview (again). Thank you Owen and George. Superb book, and hugely accessible and readable, I bought it the day it was released and have been banging on about it to my 'Choir". I particularly like that he offers ideas for change......and yes, it really is (as with anything and everything) "All About The Story That You Tell".

[@jeremygallagher3524]

@23:35 is the most succinct definition or "story" I've heard about neo-liberalism... it's right out in the open with Reagan, right-wing libertarianism seeks to destroy the state but does not supplant it with anything better, just a slow crawl back to feudalism.

[@basfinnis]

Yes but Jeremy Corbyn, antisemitism, squeeked Monbiot, as he tried to jump onto the bandwagon that was going past.

[@EMidMSO]

I guess we're all on a journey; at the moment Monbiot, Varoufakis et al are my travelling companions. Maybe they wouldn't have been before, maybe they won't be in the future

[@charliebrandt2263]

That's the problem I have. Trying to explain the complexities of today is difficult. You are on the right track. Simplification. I found your work hard going as a 'normal' punter although extremely informative.

[@itstrue-lcw1]

Wonderful discussion 👏 Thank you both so much🙏💪✌️

[@tohellorbarbados4902]

Dvid Harvey, the Marxist geographer, has also written "A short history of neoliberalism". 248 pages. On Amazon, etc.

[@mrjonno]

Monbiot is one of my heroes, can you get Kate Raworth for a similar interview? Excellent interview and I hope many will watch. I'd better buy the book. I have much more to say but hopefully can share successfully. Thanks buff Owen and wise George for all you do and much love for you to do so 💚

[@guerillagardener2237]

I said it years ago they waged a nuclear war on a social level.

[@muhammadaliaziz9131]

George Monbiot deserves to be Prime Minister of UK.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

If only. The Establishment would treat him the way they did Corbyn.

[@AlastairMcGowan-kn4vs]

I haven't read the book yet, but from my understanding it had its roots before the 1930s, in the early 20th century the establishment class was concerned with increasing labour empowerment, the the seeds of thought process were sown - how do we keep a socio-economic hierarchy going with labour empowerment and an increasingly educated middle class? The scene was set for a different form of totalitarianism, the wealth trickle up

[@catrinamcdermott4211]

Love Gorge Monbiot since he wrote a really passionate article in The Guardian a while back to warn us about global warming. I was so shocked at the blunt terminology and ideas he used that I can say he inspired the denouement of the novel which I wrote in the meantime called A Twist in The Tale of The Devil. Though I finished this most unusual Vatican story before the 7th of October last, I'm still waiting on our printer to deliver it as a paperback. When he does I will post you, Owen, and George a copy each at The Guardian as it's relevant to the terrible things which have happened since and I think you will both enjoy its basic concept. XX

[@DouglasHPlumb]

Monbiot is a broken clock, but he can still be right twice a day.

[@moranmike36]

Book ordered. Many thanks, Owen and George!

[@stephenglancy8551]

George Monbiot is great to listen to. He makes complicated stuff make sense to eejits like me......... well played Owen and George. Great podcast👏👏👏

[@Gregorypeckory]

Thanks!

[@clive-live]

The contradiction of modern capitalism is that the free market relies on coercion for its mode of action. Colin and Clive Conversations in the Kitchen

[@timspencer1]

I think George is brilliant - wish there were more like him! I also wish he hadn't blocked me on Xitter for asking if he had regrets over his opposition to the Corbyn project (I was very polite - but get that it is probably a sore point). Anyway - thanks for this video - I am off to order the book.!

[@colinbrigham8253]

Thank you Owen and George 😊

[@GlobeHackers]

I've read some of those thick books, and yours is the one I'd recommend most. I also have the audiobook because you are an excellent narrator, and your voice is welcoming. Your work is a gift to our times and must be understood should we want a future.

[@lifewithgeorge.]

Thanks

[@christineregan4953]

another wonderful interview by the invaluable Mr Jones.

[@fyank1]

Got to love George. Says it as it is!

[@anjali49869]

Looking forward to reading this. I'm reading Grace Blakely's Vulture Capitalism based on your interview with her and this seems like a great companion piece.

[@Yoyoyo224]

george Monbiot such a great influence Thank you always Owen