A must have self defense weapon for cyclists? With firearms and weapons expert, Jonathan Ferguson

At the end of the 19th century, cycling was booming in Europe. Unfortunately for enthusiasts of two-wheeled conveyance, so was rabies in dogs. A solution to this problem was found in the 'Velo-dog', a French/Belgian self defence revolver that gives us a fascinating peek into the perils of pedalling on the continent 130 years ago.
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[@robchaloner7534]

".. Getting savaged by a potentially rabid dog is not a good a day out.." Jonathan Ferguson Noted.

[@lefr33man]

The delicate british art of stylish understatements.

[@josephmontanaro2350]

The way he says it makes it sound like he's learned first hand :D

[@r.awilliams9815]

Back in the 60's, I was a news carrier/delivery boy. Since I rode a bicycle, I got chased by dogs quite often. After I was bitten by the town doctor's dog, I decided to do something about it...I got a spray bottle and filled it with a 10% ammonia solution. I soon found out that I didn't even have to hit the dog with the spray, all I had to do was put up a mist. Once a dog got a whiff, he lost all interest in chasing me forever afterwards, and there was no harm done to the dog aside from his nose being out of operation for an hour or so.

[@JustanOlGuy]

Wish I would have known this in my Youth...lol...

[@williamromine5715]

I tried that with a squirt gun. Worked with most dogs, but with one dog, it just made him madder. Didn't think I would get away from him, but in the end, the dog's owner saved me.

[@SearTrip]

@@williamromine5715 I used Clorox in a squirt gun. Got lucky and hit the dog right in the nose. Like the OP, the dog never bothered me again.

[@johnn8223]

"After I was bitten by the town doctor's dog" He trained his dog to get him business!

[@JustanOlGuy]

@@johnn8223 😅

[@samholdsworth420]

As always thank you very much Jonathan. These are very much appreciated.

[@jonathanferguson1211]

You're welcome Sam.

[@deniskozlowski9370]

People need to remember that even though these things were small and weak they came out during a time when antibiotics were not a thing. A time when even a poke from a small pocket knife could be lethal. You might not die right away but lingering on in agony with a terminal infection was something anyone would want to avoid.

[@Aconitum_napellus]

I think many modern day cyclists would benefit from having one of these revolvers whilst trying to navigate the congested city streets. You might still get run over by that SUV but at least you'll go down fighting.

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

I think an anti vehicle mine on the rear of your bike is a bit more effective for that, or simply grenades. SUVs are a lot of metal, and this won't penetrate that.

[@brettbaker5599]

M72 LAAW.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@mycatistypingthis5450 Mount a claymore on the back.

[@mycatistypingthis5450]

@@skaldlouiscyphre2453 sword or mine?

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@mycatistypingthis5450 Why not both? If the mine fails cold steel is always a viable backup.

[@whatharmcanitdo]

I live and shoot in France and these come up for sale all the time on websites that I use to buy guns and ammo. Over here in terms of the legislation they're in the same category as air rifles and funnily enough, black powder pistols, revolvers and rifles. They aren't truly classed as firearms, which means that anyone over 18 can legally purchase one.

[@GaryHamad]

so you can technically own a Musket Pistol then?

[@Aconitum_napellus]

Vive la France! Much better gun laws than this side of the channel.

[@whatharmcanitdo]

@@GaryHamad no, because musket pistols don't exist seeing as a musket is a smooth bore long gun. If you just mean black powder pistols like flintlock pistols or cap and ball pistols then yes.

[@whatharmcanitdo]

@@Aconitum_napellus yes, it's quite a refreshing change from the UK

[@GaryHamad]

@@whatharmcanitdo So Not Modern Firearms is Good

[@andreweden9405]

Revolvers like this are still made to this day here in the US, by a company called North American Arms. I own two of them: one in .22LR, which looks very much like the pistols in this video, and one in .22 magnum, which is considerably larger with its 4" barrel. I carry the .22mag with me when I'm hiking for this exact purpose. In 2009, Canadian folk singer Taylor Mitchell was mauled to death by a pack of coyotes while hiking in a provincial park, and in my very own county, a government census worker was literally eaten alive by a pack of feral dogs while trying to gather data from a family that lived on a very remote property. Both incidents can be looked up and verified.

[@jonathanferguson1211]

I hadn't really made the connection, but you're right - the NAA revolvers are a modern take on the same sort of idea. We have a few.

[@Stevarooni]

NAAs are such good, solid revolvers, too!

[@andreweden9405]

@@jonathanferguson1211 , That's fascinating that the Royal Armouries has some NAAs! I tried to send you photos of my two guns, but the link caused the comment to be automatically deleted. Oh well!😁 Thank you for your reply!

[@andreweden9405]

@@Stevarooni , They are well-built little guns!

[@jonathanferguson1211]

@@andreweden9405 No problem - yes, we collect contemporary stuff (obviously the NAA isn't that new, but by museum standards it is :) ).

[@teaser6089]

As a Dutch person I must say that this is indeed a must need self defence weapon for the everyday cyclist, the horrors that come from cycling without self protection have to be avoided at all cost!

[@m.j.mahoney8905]

Cheers Jonathan, I always wondered why the cartridge was so long, but underpowered. I didn't know about the "less lethal" loadings and now it makes sense

[@jonathanferguson1211]

Come to think of it, I should have made that aspect clearer, but yes :)

[@dbmail545]

Indeed. I was quite surprised that it is less powerful than a .22 short.

[@brittakriep2938]

A note from Germany. In time of second german Empire ( 1871- 1918) in late 1890s a Pistol carry licence / Waffenschein was introduced. As a substitute between 1900 and 1910 gaspistols appeared ( up to 2008 no licence was necessary.). The first cartridges had been .410/ 36 ga shotguncartridges , where the shot was replaced by milled pepper, sometimes mixed with chemicals or tobacco. This pistols/ cartridges had been used also by , fieldguards' to scare away animals from wineyards, vegetable fields or fruittrees.

[@WolfRichter337]

i think ther e was a page in "all quiet on the western front" where they shoot a guard dog with a small french revolver and hightail out of there before he gets back up again which always confused me. shot dogs dont tend to get back up, ask the atf. anyways this, especially the part about non lethal loads, cleared things up

[@dalemoss4684]

I've heard that these were sold with a number of less than lethal cartridges, with a common load being one blank round, one dust/cayenne pepper round, and the rest live ammo. But if a rabid dog was attacking me I wouldn't want to make it sneeze

[@arthurneddysmith]

This was mentioned less than 5 minutes into the video. Did you not watch it? Edit: Here, starting 4:35.

[@jackrabbitslim8536]

I love how informative and entertaining these videos are. Thank you!

[@El__Leche]

For a second I thought you were gonna talk about the maxim mounts on bicycles

[@eirikgjessing1846]

The what now?

[@El__Leche]

@@eirikgjessing1846 everyone and their mother tried to put machineguns on bicycles during the wars

[@slaughterround643]

@@El__Leche Anyone in North America, Britain, many European countries and worldwide know what it's like to have their lives threatened by cars constantly just to get around on a bike... Desperate times call for desperate measures.

[@robspath4203]

As a cartridge collector, I have always wanted to know more about this one. I always wondered what the firearms looked like too. Thank You so much!

[@nywroc1700]

French speaker in Canada here and yeah "Vélo" does still mean bike to this day

[@GeZz.]

funny in Spanish "Velo" means "Veil"

[@eduardvaniersel7535]

Handy during the Tour de France.

[@dbmail545]

As a dog lover and a long-time bicyclist, I can certainly appreciate the need for these. People who can't control their dogs deserve to lose them.

[@GeZz.]

wat. ur sentece has a mix of statements. You are a dog lover, but you also would like to put a dog down. Well, i hope you don't have animals.

[@dbmail545]

@@TheTutch kinda stupid. I have owned and worked dogs for 50 years. Harassing livestock is a capital offense for dogs. Attacking people is a good way for the owner to lose everything he owns. I have shot my own dogs that couldn't be controlled.

[@korbetthein3072]

I've always been fascinated by velo-dog revolvers. Neat little guns.

[@MsZeeZed]

Sadly major wars & military occupations not only curtail the civilian firearms trade, but also dramatically reduce the stray & pet animal populations, removing the hazard these weapons were designed to combat.

[@las10plagas]

my grandma had a purse with the same locking mechanism, that the belgian revolver has. it's a shame such nice things aren't common anymore.

[@TheBlueB0mber]

I vote were bring back “velocipede”. Sounds way cooler than bicycle 🚲

[@CrimeVid]

Nice one Jonathon. would you consider a video on the pocket pistol, or as Kipling called it, the saloon pistol. They must have made millions of the things, they often turn up during building work so you must have some !

[@parkerdurrington9921]

Your work is amazing and very much needed! I am curious if you would be interested/willing to do an overview of the French light machine gun the Chauchat, if you guys have one.

[@JD-tn5lz]

Since Forgotten Weapons became a modern optics/firearms review channel I've been enjoying this channel more and more. I'm sure this doesn't require saying, but thank you for "staying in your lane" and providing interesting content.

[@0neDoomedSpaceMarine]

I think that's a bit of an exaggeration, he's been looking at more modern stuff, but he still visits collections and museums, and he still showcases things coming through auction houses.

[@quiggs8361]

Yeah, to say Forgotten Weapons is a “modern weapon/optics review channel” is just…. Not right Like at all lol

[@ToreDL87]

Well, when you've already covered most everything, and everyone else covering everything else, your niche is tapped and you have to branch out.

[@damdinsukhbaatar5903]

What a neat and well designed little thing.

[@schluebenschlaucher1130]

a lovely video as always

[@kayagorzan]

The Belgian one is pretty useful, you can also store excess change in the holster purse

[@williameddlewis4625]

the ads for this gun can really be easily taken out of context

[@peteroneill5426]

All of this talk pf getting savaged by dogs remind me that getting eaten by a wolf in the outskirts of Dublin was a still a major threat going into the 1700s. Many a tale of drunken men straying into their paths and getting savaged. The last wolf was killed in 1786, on Mount Leinster in Carlow. That's also what Irish Wolfhounds were bred for, way back when. Hunting wolves with pure endurance. Not firearms related but still interesting!

[@becky2235]

Nice bit of history I never knew wolves were in Ireland! Were they in Wales ?

[@totallynotraging]

Recall spotting this on my first visit to the armouries when I was 17 or so. Could do with one now loaded for range rovers!

[@Oldtanktapper]

And a back up one for Volvos.

[@jjforcebreaker]

Very interesting! Pocket revolvers are cool, but never heard about this type.

[@daveg7516]

Can’t wait to come visit! 😂👍👌🏼

[@nilspochat8665]

Holy kekw! I didn't expect to see a gun that serves as my family's oldest possession here, although ours and its holster are in a terrible state. Apparently it was used as my (great)-great-grandfather during WW1, but my grandmother being a fairly bad source, and the revolver being hardly a caliber for war, it's hard to tell. For its 'intended use' we also have to remember rabid dogs were way more common in the campaigns of the 19th century, where cops and others would have to use a bike.

[@BRMLs9]

I carry an NAA mini revolver while walking my dog for precisely this reason. Tons of loose dogs in small towns in Texas. Most are harmless fortunately

[@limitetpancake9459]

2:00 velo is also common use in switzerland for bicycles

[@jesternario]

I would love to visit the Royal Armoury. I would have to go to England first, but it would be something to put on the trip.

[@CssHDmonster]

a ancient atf pistol , i see

[@danielkohli1542]

I wish I didn't get that reference.

[@KNURKonesur]

Any chance to see a video about the VSS Vintores and/or AS VAL?

[@DirtyHairy1]

I would buy a "velo-car"

[@mikajacobsen860]

That would be a pocket-sized anti-materiel rifle to fend off rabid packs of cars? I'll take the whole stock

[@Stevarooni]

@@mikajacobsen860 the legendary .50 BMG derringer. 😉 And I thought .45-70 was bad in a hand cannon.

[@daftpeasant1519]

I,ve seen one, pre UK pistol ban, marked as a Velo Chien. Cartridges were a similar size to .22WMR but were centerfire.

[@brittakriep2938]

Italian company ,Fiocci' perhaps still produces cartridges 5,75 mm Velodog.

[@TheOldMan-75]

I just imagine someone on a bike, pulling that thing out, doing the Monty Python "HA HA!" when they were storming the castle in holy grail and then riding away again.

[@PobortzaPl]

[EDIT] OK, I found it (sort of), look below. Wait, what was the shape of cartridge and dimensions of projectile vs cartridge? I'm looking specifically at that short barrel of Belgian example of velodog. Did all of the propellant manage to burn before projectile left the barrel or was fire of propellant being ejected from barrel count as a antidog feature?

[@PobortzaPl]

5.7 Velodog has very similar dimensions to .22 WMR. So it probably had similar ballistic properties. I have no more questions. Since there are .38 Special revolvers with 2 inch barrels (and 1.9 inch ones) I consider my questions answered.

[@bobhill3941]

I haven't seen one of these in over a decade. I read about these in a gun book I bought at a flea market.

[@eqpro2853]

Are these related to the bull dog revolvers that came in slightly larger calibers?

[@Rehteal]

Some day when working on a game, I'm going to make a gun and call it "L3-EDS (Enhanced Display System) 'Ferguson' Bullpup" It'll have a simple depleting visual bar just below the optical mount to indicate remaining ammo, a built-in true holographic reflex sight, with a mount for an advanced electronic long-range optic. Of course, it'll be reminiscent of the MP5, with the classic "HK slap" as part of the reload animation.

[@lastmatix]

So it isn't for shooting cycling dogs but more for a 19th century drive-by shooting? Perhaps reintroduce these in the Tour de France to make it more interesting.

[@CeltKnight]

I have one with a trigger guard and a cylinder that swings out to the right. Cylinder release is a fairly simple lever affair on the right side of the receiver. The hand or pawl doesn't always catch the ratchet so I suspect it's gotten worn down over the years. Other than that it seems very well made. I've looked and there is a fairly modern cartridge that is a rename of the 5.5mm Velo-dog (.22 CCM, if memory serves). You have to hand load but last I looked the brass were a dollar each. Sooo ... no. I've thought about having it converted to .22Lr or even possibly .22 magnum (this would be a discussion with a local gunsmith I trust, not a home workshop job). BUT I'll probably just leave it as-is ... except I might replace that worn hand one day if I can manage to get a new one made and fitted.

[@williamcheek2778]

I've always thought Velo Dog would have been a good name for a Breaking Bad side character

[@GermanEngineer84]

Velo is the word for bicycle in Swiss German as well, unlike in Austria and Germany.

[@joshsquatch7474]

Jonathan you have to talk about that sar-87 behind you, I have a weird love ar-18 and its derivatives

[@tomr2982]

Presumably, on the second example, the cylinder axis pin is small enough to be used as an ejection rod, in lieu of any other option?

[@883tom]

Pickert made, or at least sold these' in a variety of tiny chamberings, during WW II. I own several including one with a Waffenamt. I'd love to see the mentioned website, but I cannot find it.

[@Lankythepyro]

I never would have considered it, but a firearm for defense against small potentially rabid animals makes a LOT of sense, and this fills that role pretty excellently. Especially fitting that it be not very useable against people; such a firearm would be much easier to carry than a derringer or single action army, and I imagine they'd also make other people less anxious than one as well.

[@arthurneddysmith]

Couldn't find the website mentioned about 12:47. Came up as 404 error.

[@tbarahon]

II think it was not King Alfonso VIII of Castilla (11 November 1155 - 5 October 1214) but King Alfonso XIII on May 31, 1906.

[@jelhaj7769]

NAA .22 to me. my co worker has one. I personally would just use a .38 five-shot

[@JAzzi-jh4jy]

Cool

[@gormanls]

I gotta remember these for "turn of the century biking simulator"

[@qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqw]

The first mechanized infantry cannon?

[@georgesmith5708]

This little category of revolvers takes me back to Three Men on the Bummel, by Jerome K. Jerome....

[@georgesmith5708]

By the way, here in Italy we have the "Touring Club Italiano", founded 120 years ago. It's a non profit association promoting tourism. It's symbol is still a bicycle wheel.

[@mats7492]

Just bought that book

[@PobortzaPl]

How dies this book compares to Three Men in a Boat by Jerome Klapka Jerome?

[@georgesmith5708]

@@PobortzaPl both masterpieces, in my humble opinion. The book Three Man In A Boat was written when the author was young, and you feel all the freshness and happiness of life. The other is a later book, when the three friends are the same but more experienced and wiser. Anyway always children inside, and open to the exploration of the unknown. Both good timeless books that everyone should read.

[@PobortzaPl]

@@georgesmith5708 Thanks!

[@KonradSeverinHilstad]

Would loading different kinds of ammunition have been an option for these? As in start g off with blanks, then salt/irritants and finally solid bullets?

[@jazeenharal6013]

You could potentially load the ammo progressively in order, since it fires in the order of the chamber sitting under the hammer and it fires counter-clockwise. (I believe. Each revolver can be different) Just make sure you position it properly. So, if you were so inclined, you could load a blank in the first chamber, salt cartridge in the second, cork bullet in the thirds, and the last three with real bullets. That way you could progressively up the ante. And it would save the lethal option until the final extremity.

[@mats7492]

@@jazeenharal6013 Ian has a video on Dutch police pistols that had exactly that.. You had to deliberately turn the cylinder to get an actual bullet..

[@jonathanferguson1211]

Yes, absolutely. As with all of these commercial offerings, you could pretty much do what you liked with them.

[@tenofprime]

You could, which is an advantage to revolvers in some settings. A revolver does not depend on the force from the last round to work so they are less ammo sensitive.

[@chemistrykrang8065]

@@jazeenharal6013 can't really do this with a semi auto - less lethal ammunition (CS, blank, even "rat shot") is unlikely generate sufficient recoil to cycle the action, so you'd have to manually cycle each round until you got to conventional ammo. With a double action revolver, you can just pull the trigger again.

[@memofromessex]

I actually bumped into Jonathan whilst out cycling, he joked that I was blinding him with my bike lights. I'm glad he was joking and didn't pull this out!!!

[@michaelkinsella1807]

I am coming to Leeds next week! Looking forward to seeing the collection.

[@KlipsenTube]

While the usual French translation for dog is chien, they also have the word dogue - pronounced dog (almost like in english, but perhaps more like "dug"), just like English also has the word hound. It would appear that the word dogue was indeed "borrowed" from English as far back as in the fourteenth century, and with such a long history, it is a bit of a stretch to say that "the dog part is definitively English", since that would make most English words either Latin, French or Nordic. The English spelling can have various explanations - one being trademark character.

[@Lurker1954]

Bicycle Revolvers in the USA could be had in .32 Smith & Wesson (not the larger .32 S&W Long). S&W made their Safety Hammerless Revolver with a 1.5 inch Barrel fore this purpose.

[@sampointau]

Thankyou Jo son of Nathan, going on origins of names, LoL 😁 Rock salt was widely used for non lethal repelling of animals and people. Rock salt loaded 303 rounds and shotgun shells were widely used for sentrys and guards on government and defence sites, particularly in remote locations. I know they were used by watchmen/guards on explosives and munitions stores up until the 1960's (I grew up nearby a water access naval munitions//explosives store and us kids learnt about rock salt!) not during wartime though, live rounds were used then. There were also wooden bullet non lethal rounds used.

[@ryth-2401]

Looks like what an ATF agent will have in their collection

[@johannesk2852]

Actual French pronunciation would sound more like Vay-Low, with the emphasis on the last syllable

[@F1ghteR41]

It looks like the website you're recommending is dead.

[@yperman2025]

Interesting weapon but may I suggest you copy Forgotten Weapons and bring the camera in so we can see more details of the gun?

[@josephmontanaro2350]

I like the idea of victorian pocket pistols for cyclists but I feel they missed the opportunity to have holsters built into the bikes like the modern ones for water bottles, the concept legit sounds like something you would see in the victorian era :D

[@jehoiakimelidoronila5450]

Those animal-deterrent firearms brings to mind the brun-latrige pistol. Ian mccollum made a vid about the gun and it's purpose.

[@Jetiix]

"Uncle Jon tell us another story!" *pulls out gun*

[@gaming4funzies129]

What is the correlation between the lifetime of the weapon and the invention of the rabies vaccine?

[@TheZinmo]

I don't know if I would trust these against an really rapid dog. Rabies overrides the animals pain perception (among other things), so if you want to defend yourself against such an animal, you have to kill it, wounding it is no good. Against a "normal" stray, okay. But against a 40kg rapid Monster?

[@Stevarooni]

Fortunately in most cases the normal strays would be what you dealt with. Feral but not rabid dogs. Rabies isn't ultra-rare, but it isn't _that_ common, especially in places where you'd bicycle.

[@Youcannotfalter]

Gorgeous little dog plinkers.

[@quattroconcept4]

11:14 Alfonso XIII, not VIII

[@paulwheble840]

I very much enjoy your videos, but would appreciate some close-ups of the firearms

[@MarvinCZ]

It was Alfonso XIII. It's off by just one letter but also by 700 years. Alfonso VIII would be more like 1206. The revolver proved deadly. When the assassin was found a few days after the bomb attack, he used it to kill a militiaman and then commit suicide.

[@brittakriep2938]

Otto von Bismarck was hurt by three shots in 5mm pinfire ( between 1861 and 1863), but survived.

[@DJliberal]

Were these effective against large dogs? After being attacked by Pitbulls I now carry spray at all times and hope that it will be effective.

[@humbolt.869]

Considering this is a gun video and it had dogs in the title I imagined the ATF

[@nodamiaen]

give these to postmen

[@helphelpimbeingrepressed9347]

I'm glad he went onto explain the rabies & differing ammo types, it dissolves the noir comedy I had going on in my mind about uppity types finding it insulting to be barked at so rather than ride on they MUST find satisfaction sir! lol yes my head is a strange place XD

[@webtoedman]

"How do you stop dogs chasing men on bicycles? Confiscate the dogs' bicycles."

[@adabsurdum5905]

I'd feel better with a pocket knife. Big dogs have been known to take multiple 9mm rounds and keep ticking, so I wouldn't trust a .22 against them. These would work fairly well against a 2 legged assailant, though.

[@critterjon4061]

It’s funny that bicyclist being attacked by dogs was such a problem that someone invented a specific gun for it

[@spikespa5208]

Obvious you haven't cycled in my old rural hometown.

[@CanalTremocos]

That's how it was before mandatory rabies vaccines. Makes you think about recent events, doesn't it?

[@Chiller01]

Ah so many middle aged men seriously challenging the tensile strength of their spandex cycling outfits. These would fit nicely into that little pocket on the back of my favourite cycling shirt.

[@philippefrater2000]

Regarding Guns, we are the best... By far! 🖖🏻🇫🇷😎🇫🇷😎🇫🇷🖖🏻

[@exploatores]

so this tiny calibre isn´t less leathal ?

[@WTFisTingispingis]

ATF: *Finally,* a gun for us!

[@atharvatoskar1633]

this revolver should be re-introduce as in todays era, its a must have tool for protection from bloody dogs!

[@johnwoods3184]

During the Victorian Era these were lethal enough when proper medical attention was not available.

[@Bakademic]

Velo means bike in french. So that Bike-Dog Gun. For when your on your bike and need to shoot a rabid dog.

[@JustanOlGuy]

I would CC this...

[@mateuszwesoowski9583]

Velocyped;)

[@calvingreene90]

When I feel the need to defend myself or others from a dog I want a DRT.

[@leoneldoleschal1194]

Imagine in your Big wheel bicycle and have this in your pocket for rabies in dogs. Savage.!, By the way i heard that a history that a person shot twice for suicide with one of these for the low damage the caliber.

[@samsinfection]

Had they not thought of top-break revolvers yet? Seems like that would be perfect for the low power ammo these guns use. Also, when you said "salt" were you thinking of rock salt? Like what they put.in non-lethal shotgun shells? I can't imagine how it would work in a revolver that shoots solid slugs but that's the only salt I've ever heard of being shot out of a gun.

[@ashleysmith3106]

Top-breaks had been around for decades, but these velo-dogs were originally meant to be SIMPLE and INEXSPENSIVE

[@diabolicalartificer]

There's a dog next door that is always barking, it's needs balancing, these look like the perfect tool. Come to think of it the dogs owner needs balancing too, a small piece of lead in one ear should do the trick. : )

[@levifoster5639]

The worst thing to happen to dogs since cats? Err... let me tell you about a guy named Pavlov

[@jonathanferguson1211]

The thumbnail title was a reference to a review of the movie 'Cats' "the worst thing to happen to cats since dogs". Clearly my colleague could not help himself :)

[@levifoster5639]

@@jonathanferguson1211 Still, interesting gun. I like hearing about interesting firearms history