A Pathway Through the Unanswerable with Krista Tippett | TGS 130

[@kysondana9587]

I started listening to OnBeing 10 years ago while seeing the world from an intense dogmatic Christian (Mormon version) point of view. This podcast slowly created openings and spaciousness within me to examine my own beliefs. I eventually left the structure that was causing harm in my life and was "born again" but this time it was to be free of the frameworks and perspectives that held me blind to myself and reality as it is. Nate asked the question, "Do you have any feedback or data to show that you've changed the future conditions for your listeners?" And id like to chime in and say that for me, 1000% yes. My future is fundamentally different. I stepped from one reality to another with a massive paradigm shift. Stories and conversations shape the way we think which in turn motivate the way we behave. This is the way. Thank you both ❤

[@christinearmington]

Beautiful comment ❤

[@sirvancealott]

Thankyou Nate for introducing me to all of these intelligent minds. You're making a difference!

[@DesMcCartney393]

So true, These talks are truly great. ☯️

[@anthonytroia1]

Nate: "I'm trying to change the initial conditions of the future." Edit: You ARE* changing the initial conditions of the future, Nate. And we thank you.

[@heidilw70]

This is the calming voice I needed this morning after the crazy beginning to this week. I’ve been listening to Krista and On Being for many years and love her to hear her perspectives here as well. ❤

[@michellestjane9312]

Love the wisdom bombs Krista makes. Especially her reference to Finding The Mothering Tree (2021), Suzanne Simard, dizzyingly complex connections with other trees and plants through vast but tiny fungal networks hidden below the forest floor (at 44 minutes)

[@FREEAGAIN432]

Loved this cast so much. Profound on many dimensions. INSPIRING language of nuance and multi-perspectival views. remembering the AWE! Thank you Krista for your wide and wise view on the world and all it's complexity. Thank you Nate too for the curation.

[@57stapler]

"Communities of Abundance" - Many, many years ago I remember stumbling onto an interview that I think was by Krista Tippett where she described a group in terms of it's "Community of Abundance". She used the phrase so casually that I figured it was in general use elsewhere, and extended reflections would be easily found on these internets. I was shocked to find nothing. I was, and still am, fascinated with "Community of Abundance" as a lens to consider in many situations. -Thank you Krista!

[@carolesea]

I love Krista’s thought process! She circles around for a bit and then comes right to her point. She never loses her perspective because she’s been edifying and solidifying it for years. At the same time, she is totally open to a new consideration, a vital tweaking, another way of expressing or connecting! Doing the inner work seems to be the one essential process that much of our growth as humans depends on.

[@4945three]

Krista…it’s been… decades of walking us through the…calm. Thank you, Nate!

[@cmarkd1]

Time is always now, and not on a clock. For example; I'm listening to your podcast in your future but my present. When I fully love my being, I don't get triggered. I do engage in my community where we mutually share the gift of ourselves. Thank you for stimulating insights.

[@ideafood4U]

Awesome to see Krista on the other end of the microphone. We have a better chance improving our inner worlds than we do controlling nature. I look forward to seeing this.

[@pigstonwidget]

What a beautiful spirit Krista is. This was a deep dive with lots of awe. Thank you.

[@treefrog3349]

The biggest beef I have with religious magical thinking is that it, more than anything else, has imbued humanity with idea that the Earth is primarily here and for homo sapiens. We, as a species have most certainly had "dominion over all the Earth" - and look what we, and we alone, have done to this magnificent "gift of god"! I would argue that, IF there really IS a heaven and hell, then homo sapiens have already condemned themselves to the "bad place" for the disrespect, indifference and unapologetic despoilment of this miracle floating amidst the cosmos.

[@cheweperro]

It depends on the religion. Abrahamic religions? Absolute garbage Other religions are about oneness, balance and harmony

[@treefrog3349]

@@cheweperro Absolutely spot-on! My apologies. Abrahamic religion has become a disease.

[@marcussord5290]

Human consciousness precludes the same innocence other animals possess. But is it humanity as a whole we condemn? When we judge the evils it allows it is a failure of a species as a single organism. We may be incapable of awakening from our base selves before we self destruct.

[@waynemcmillan5970]

All religions being man-made when they begin, are a product of their time and culture. Like everything they evolve with new knowledge and information or they die out.

[@cdorcey1735]

Is atheism any more respectful of the natural world? If so, why? Isn't any concern for future generations "magical thinking"? Without a religious sense, the world is not here for us, but it's here for ME.

[@cameronveale7768]

Excellent guest Nate. It was like listening to my own mind, discussions with close friends about the chaos of our time

[@goodnatureart]

Thanks Krista! Never heard of John Paul Lederach. Getting his book Building Peace: Sustainable Reconciliation in Divided Societies. On breathing all together, I think about our being communal animals and think of Taylor Swift. There is a reason so many people go see her play and sing together. That may not be the look and feel you and I think of in living the questions, but we could all learn something from Tay Tay on how to have fun and lead everyone in song. In the 60s in the civil rights and anti war movements, we sang all the time. This movement toward silence and mediation is great-- I love meditation and prayer to trees, birds and bees. But singing the 2024 version of "Little boxes on the hillside" with Pete Seeger or "I heard it through the grapevine" sung by Marvin Gaye or The Tempts "War! What Is It Good For?" The biggest problem being awake and teaching social change? It is a one on one change process. Shift: a small step that is easy to do on your own is talk with plants and animals. They have never been silent. It is our illusion that can be gently melted by practicing sending loving attention to every sentient being.

[@mmnuances]

This is one of the most relevant conversations, for our times, I have ever witnessed on You Tube. Krista embodies the sacred feminine which is the light that leads out of the darkness. I would love to do a in person meditation retreat with Nate and Krista.

[@stephenboyington630]

I love the signoff that Freakonomics guy has: Take care of yourself, and, if you can, take care of someone else, too.

[@tedhoward2606]

I so strongly align with Krista's closing comments, but some places in the middle, not quite so much. About 1:01:00 on the topic of unbiased public media. Krista states "I think the pretense of objectivity is a thing of the past. And I think it was an illusion that somehow in the very homogeneous world of the 20th century , it was a noble attempt, of people striving to be objective. We were talking earlier about deep truth, science has also had to acknowledge that there is no such thing as objectivity. And that not only are you not objective as an observer, you become a participant and you change things. I think the world and our understanding of reality has outgrown that value around which the institution of journalism as we have inherited it revolved, and so the whole thing is in disarray. And, the question is, what follows it? Right? And right now we are in this messy period where what was is in tatters, but there is no sense of what will follow." This is really hard. The simplistic notion of objectivity has certainly been dismantled, in three very different, yet interrelated, senses. 1/ is the idea that what we perceive is reality. The science of how brains work now indicates that what we as individual human beings get to perceive is a vastly simplified model of whatever it is that objective reality actually is. It is now clear that multiple sets of subconscious processes assemble a simplistic and slightly predictive model of reality, and it is this model, not reality itself (whatever that is), that is available to consciousness. The fact that evolution tends to punish the slow much more harshly than the slightly inaccurate has installed multiple levels of bias into our neural networks to prefer simple certainty over complex uncertainty, and that creates recursive sets of confirmation bias for beliefs. 2/ The idea of logic that we all necessarily start with, is one of binary logic, with only two possible truth values - True and False. This is the simplest possible form of logic, and for many the only form of logic that they encounter. Being the simplest has many advantages in terms of time to compute - so links to 1 above. There seem to be an infinite class of possible logics. The next simplest is trinary, with 3 possible Truth values {True, False, Undecided}. Using Trinary logic allows resolution of some of the paradoxes of quantum mechanics. Probabilistic logic evaluates all things in terms of probabilities, and may in some contexts approximate classical binary logic in the asymptote. It seems very likely to me, on balance of probabilities, from 50 years of enquiry into the nature of biology and reality, that the universe we inhabit is very likely ontologically probabilistic, but at the normal scale of human perception does tend to very closely approximate classical binary logic in many contexts. 3/ The classical notion of causality seems very improbable to me, but in normal contexts can be very closely approximated, such that it is a useful simplification in many contexts, but what really seems to be happening, is that all things influence all other things, but the degrees of influence can very dramatically from context to context, and in many contexts, most influences tend to cancel out, leaving only a few that need to be attended to (this seems to be what quantum mechanics is telling us); but such is not always the case. Thus it seems clear that while in the strictest of senses, objectivity is not possible, as we are always deeply connected to the systems we observe, and what we observe of them is always and necessarily some sort of contextually useful approximation to whatever they actually are in most contexts; in some contexts those approximations can be very useful indeed, and we can get very reliable answers. And it is also true, that even engineering, as in building rockets, with all our knowledge and models and expertise and computer systems, still involves a degree of trial and error - as Elon's process with Falcon and now Starship of fail fast, fail early, is clearly demonstrating. So the closer we can approximate objectivity, the better, and we need to be conscious of all the ways in which that can be derailed, some of which are built into the nature of reality itself, some into our biology, some into culture, and some are deliberately deceptive actions by levels of agents within systems. All of these things appear to be real and important aspects of making any sort of useful approximation to objectivity in the very complex contexts we currently find ourselves in. This is nothing like the simple model of True or False, it is deeply more complex, nuanced, and fundamentally uncertain in multiple different ways. And it does seem to be what we have to work with, and we need to be as objective as we reasonably can, acknowledging all the uncertainties we know about, and speculating about those we suspect might be lurking beyond the current limits of knowledge and understanding. And the deepest lesson I see from evolutionary strategy, is that the greatest security possible comes from delivering the greatest degrees of freedom reasonably possible to all agents (and freedom demands responsibility if it is not to be destructive), and that cooperation in real diversity, atop such freedom, with appropriate sets of cheat detection and mitigation systems, which require multiple sets of independent trust networks, delivers a reasonable approximations to optimality. And all of that has eternal uncertainties (both from the known [or approximated] and from the unknown, and unknown unknown). 1:05:12 Krista "How do we speak about truth?" I would say by treating it as a sailor treats a star when navigating, not as something to be reached but as something to be aimed towards (you do not actually want to get to a star, they are incredibly violent things, and our sort of life cannot exist even within a million km of them - about 150 million km seems to be a useful minimum distance. 1:16:02 Krista "Small groups of unlikely combinations of people in a new quality of relationship". This seems to be a very powerful approach. For the last 19 years I have been part of a coastal management group here in Kaikoura that brought together all the different groups that had an interest in the coast. Not all groups have remained, but most have, and mostly it has worked well. 1:17:10 Nate "Do you think we can find our way back, as a culture." Back to what Nate? I don't see anything much behind us that I find desirable, other than a lack of pollution, and a greater biological diversity. For me the real value lies ahead, in possibility space, in the opportunity to create a world in which all sapient entities (human and non-human, biological and non-biological) have a reasonable chance of living a very long time, with reasonable degrees of freedom, and reasonable quantities of resources; while also ensuring we stay within the biophysical boundaries required to sustain life on this planet. There is nothing I see in our socio-techno-cultural past that I want to go back to. I want to go forward, to an age beyond markets, where advanced automation delivers all the reasonable needs of everyone to everyone, for them to do with whatever they responsibly choose; and there are real limits to population size on this planet. So if people want to keep on breeding, they will need to go off planet. There are real limits, and they must be respected. And I do see vast potential for things to be far better than most suspect possible, even as there is a real risk of them getting as bad as many of us fear they might. These two links give some of my discussions on the subject. tedhowardnz.wordpress.com/2023/08/29/a-chat-with-gpt4-on-value/ tedhowardnz.wordpress.com/2024/01/02/chats-with-gpt4-published-in-full/

[@melvi1234]

Dear Nate and Trista, I identify myself closely with Trista except for the fact that she's got a podcast and been on thousands of interviews. But what she advises about living the question is spot on with me. It is my guess that like me she's not arrived at any long term answer that has been guiding her everyday. Or at least that's how it is with me - always searching for the meaning of life then jumping from one this to another. As a bipolar - I'm afraid to make commitments too. When I'm down, that is. When I'm up I can go crazy with ideas and not care about becoming laughingstock by declaring them. Nate isn't about time that you dived into an actual political action plan. That could be out of your comfort zone and will be scary indeed. At least with podcast, it's only uncomfortable when the ratings are low. But the numbers do add up. But will the ivory tower approach really scales up in time to meet the problems. I just found Daniel fairly recently and I thought I'll campaign for him. But when I sent out a link to about a hundred friends, only one nobody bothered to watch. Heads up - very few of my friends are highbrow. But they might be persuaded to come along if I was somehow officially tied to a political party and their leadership .. even if the role is just a recruiter among Pinoys. Then I could probably ask more than a thousand to sign on. At least the requested action is clear cut, unlike simply watching a podcast which they might consider as boring. And if I persuade each to get in a new recruit every three moths - then the numbers become exponential. Regards, Melvi

[@klausfaller19]

You are right on the money, Nate. We are growing individually together as a whole to close the cycle.

[@kristinaamelong1429]

Stunning conversation. Thank you.

[@sarahheys2770]

Brilliant pod, love it all !! Thank you both !

[@TennesseeJed]

I love her show!

[@mightymousei7022]

Are we being good ancestors? 👍❤

[@peterclark2374]

Thanks, Nate. I've been hoping for a long time that you would host Krista!

[@michaelstevens6762]

Krista articulated a fascinating helpful framing of the moral contradictions of our lives. I confess I was distracted by what I call the "problem of the Hs" that intellectuals, seekers, leaders, and the wealthy often get tripped up on - a bit too much hubris, and not enough humility. She dissed the reporters who risk their lives so she can even know what is happening in Gaza - facts matter, and they matter to her. the "Truth', as she used the word, including intuition, and the intestines, may not be the job of journalists. I am not religious, love is a mammalian evolutionary construct, and science is, as we speak, discovering the (not transcending reality) both morality and love in the evolution of the most social and most caring, and careless, of social animals. Jesus said "love one another" but can we love someone we do not know? Nate, good interview, but if you really want to understand the difference between communal and individualist societies, and the people in them, I suggest you read somebody like, and maybe interview Joseph Henrich, who last I heard was chairman of the Dept of Human Evolutionary Biology at Harvard. He wrote a fascinating book about that, and related topics in 2020, despite, at the time, being relatively energy blind, that described "how the West became psychologically peculiar and particularly prosperous". I say that, despite observing that Harvard seems to be more contagious for hubris than humility. Shame (or guilt?) on me!

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

This is the problem with habitually pulling things apart, believing that is the only way we can understand things. We lose sight of the big picture as a whole. Your question is misleading for a classically educated Westerner. Of course we can't in actuality love those we've never met. To pretend that we can is merely an exercise in imagination. The remedy for peace put forward by the prophet Jesus doesn't stipulate that we should love everyone in existence. Only that we should love "one another." Ie., live by the Golden Rule, as stated elsewhere in the book of Mathew. The rest is, in a practical sense, pointless. More to the point is that we can intend to respect and love those whom we haven't yet met. The actual practice is always and only here, in the present moment, in the meeting itself.

[@michaelstevens6762]

@@TheFlyingBrain. Or perhaps there is no either or here. The rhetorical questions about love was a metaphorical question about a social animal that evolved to function in groups- humans - where everyone knew everyone else, and the capacity to prosper agreeably depended in part on the fact that we tend to seek agreement with each other (one another) when we make decisions with people we know, and depend on, to prosper, both individually, and as a social group. In other words, even if we "intend" to respect and love others we do not know (as in do not have a relationship with), is it as likely as with those we do have a relationship with. I am not sure how my question is misleading, regardless of my education, which is hardly "classically educated Westerner". Regarding reductionism, it has a number of meanings, but I do not find any of them sensible. A thought exists as a thought, understand as a thought; it also exists as a neuroanatomical circuit, understood as such: it also exists as millions of chemical actions and reactions, understood as such: and it exists as physical forces. Different levels of conceptualizing a thought does not "reduce" any of those levels. If I handed you a spreadsheet with the billions of physical forces that make up the physics of the thought, it would be meaningless to your awareness. If I said " I am having this thought : xxxxx" and described it, you would likely understand it at that level. Science is just, to date, to my knowledge , the most effective tool that humans have developed for making predictions about events in the physical universe. Causality is neither reductionistic, nor holistic, and scientifically,, never known absolutely. Peace.

[@treefrog3349]

"Truth" = beneficial to the Earth and all life. Untruth = what we, as a species, are currently doing. The evidence of our failure surrounds us. We live upon it. Yet our political and religious mythologies steer us further and further away from the things that most of the other forms of "life"on Earth know instinctively. Humility, awe and reverence has been replaced by human arrogance.

[@allonesame6467]

Live Long and Prosper🖖

[@A3Kr0n]

I made it to 15:00. That was one of the most vacuous word salads I've heard in a long time. I'll wait for the Frankly.

[@suewarman9287]

My translation of it is Jews *still* trying to kill Jesus!

[@chuckheppner4384]

When we see people acting in an abusive, arrogant, or demeaning manner toward others, their behavior almost always is a symptom of their lack of self-esteem. They need to put someone else down to feel good about themselves. A bully hides his fears with fake bravado. That is the opposite of self-assertiveness. If you feel inadequate to face challenges, unworthy of love or respect, untitled to happiness, and fear assertive thought, wants, or needs- if you lack basic self trust, self-respect, and self-confidence- your self-esteem deficiency will limit you, no matter what other assets you possess. It is naive to think that self-assertiveness is easy. To live self-assertively--which means to live authentically--is an act of high courage. That is why so many people spend the better part of their lives in hiding--from others and also from themselves. Respect starts with ourselves. There is overwhelming evidence that the higher the level of self-esteem, the more likely one will be to treat others with respect, kindness, and generosity. Self esteem is the reputation we acquire with ourselves. Where we see self esteem, we see self acceptance. High self esteem individual tend to avoid falling into an adversarial relationship with themselves. One of the most significant characteristics of healthy self esteem is that it is the state of one who is not at war either with himself or with others. Self-esteem is not a luxury; it is a profound spiritual need. Positive self-esteem operates as, in effect, the immune system of the consciousness, providing resistance, strength, and a capacity for regeneration. When self-esteem is low, our resilience in the face of life's adversities is diminished. We crumble before vicissitudes that a healthier sense of self could vanquish. We tend to be more influenced by the desire to avoid pain than to experience joy. Negatives have more power over us than positives. The practice of assertiveness: being authentic in our dealings with others; treating our values and persons with decent respect in social contexts; refusing to fake the reality of who we are or what we esteem in order to avoid disapproval; the willingness to stand up for ourselves and our ideas in appropriate ways in appropriate contexts." Nathaniel Branden "At a time when unbridled greed, malignant aggression, and existence of weapons of mass destruction threatens the survival of humanity, we should seriously consider any avenue that offers some hope. I believe it is essential for our planetary future to develop tools that can change the consciousness which has created the crisis that we are in. Consciousness does not just passively reflect the objective material world; it plays an active role in creating reality itself." Stanislav Grof

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

Whew, you're telling me. This is the host of one of NPR's most notoriously vacuous new age, or neo-new age programs, 'On Being'. And she did not disappoint. And I listened to the whole thing....

[@chuckheppner4384]

@@Joeyjojoshabbadoo "Understanding and love require a wisdom that comes only with age." Rollo May "All great spirituality is about what we do with our pain. If we do not transform our pain, we will transmit it to those around us." Richard Rohr

[@DesMcCartney393]

I just read that Pluto (Dwarf Planet) takes 245 Years to orbit the Sun Once! Neptune 165; So just the size of our Solar System alone is almost beyond mental grasp. The Veritable Singularity that has possibly created Innumerable Universes I must call Ancient. The word has depth. Learning from Nature,Physics and Chemistry are the Tools Humanity has been given to deal with this disparity.🌻☯️🌌🌲🧬

[@BettieSommer]

My post below was here then vanished, so instead of being silenced, I reposted the same comment with a few edits. Sorry for the repetition. As a bit of clarification re my comment on bad hair days: I'm a retired professional woman and as far as I know in the last 70 years I have not had one. To the astonishment of many including my mother, despite growing up around impeccable women with one eye on the weather and the other on their hair, I've always preferred the freedoms of not caring. Considering what gardening and cycling and other human powered transport do to the body and mind, shifting to them might inadvertently diminish the considerable toxic chemical load and GHG emissions of the cosmetics, beauty and fashion industries.

[@chuckheppner4384]

Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal." Robert A. Heinlein

[@pookah9938]

What do I know? What do I hope? What can I do?

[@anthonytroia1]

45:16 "We potentially are nearing the end of our species because of all the chaos. But the opposite of that is; are we finally growing up as a species?" I don't think these are mutually exclusive. We may be nearing the end of our species BECAUSE* we are growing up? We may be in the midst of a literal speciation event: the death of "clever man" (fire apes) and the birth of "wise man"?

[@johnbanach3875]

She seems enamored with her own thoughts and ideas. Playing with her hair as she speaks seems to go along with that. I found her a little hard to follow.

[@johnbanach3875]

@@2R.de.P I guess soothing and calming are her brand. I would occasionally hear her show on NPR while driving to work very early Sunday mornings. Fortunately, I didn't fall asleep at the wheel.

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

@@2R.de.P It is soothing, that is totally fair. I think that's basically what she has to offer. So you get something for your money for sure. It's escapism I guess you would say, and what I find so ironic, or something like that, in these foreboding times, where even the host of a radio program called 'On Being' is at least conversant with the whole doomer paradigm, after all she is a journalist technically speaking..... is just how much the 'spiritual' escapism she deals in, is just such an exquisite product and artifact of the carbon pulse, as Nate calls it, never to even be contemplated without that kind of material abundance and security to support such vanity. And with all due respect, there will be no time or place in any sort of great simplification for any such frivolity or emotional luxury. Just no place for it, simple as that. So it's almost like a farewell from the good times, however transient they were, where we could indulge in this sort of peaceful easy feeling. We weren't strong enough to take hold of our destiny when it mattered, there was no chance of that. But we could always turn to the likes of NPR and 'On Being', and enjoy the softness. Some people go get beer and watch sports, some people like music, and all the various diversions and distractions, and some go for this sort of thing. But it will all be gone soon enough. So farewell, Krista. I bear you no grudge, no matter how frivolous your little radio gig was all about. I know it made some people happy, and that definitely counts for something. No matter how badly we ravaged the earth to make it all possible.....

[@Joeyjojoshabbadoo]

@@2R.de.P No, you're absolutely right. I don't know if there's anything or anyone that's going to stop that now. But now that you mention it, she might have ended her rhapsody with a sudden impassioned plea for every person of conscience to radically change their ways and their lifestyles before it's too late. No such luck....

[@AwakenProtocol]

The word “Deadline” did not exist until after the Civil War.

[@mellonglass]

Reminds me of how powerful Princess Diana was, a true threat to business as usual, a threat to a future king, and the grace of kindness that had no purpose or advice. Nurture is looked down on, there is no time for it. *Darwin suffered his clowns and their violence, only to be singled out from his network of hundreds of observers (scientists in the field)

[@TheFlyingBrain.]

LOVE LIVES IN ACTION. 💦🐬💦

[@martinmtweedale286]

Sorry, Nate, but I did not find Krista helpful. She's way too focused on the subjective and internal. Perhaps this is in part due to her rejection of objectivity, a common trope among those in the postmodern camp who don't want to accept that there is a common reality independent of our feelings and emotions that we had better come to grips with. I don't think you change people's outlook on the world and their place in it by going around saying we all need to change. The outer circumstances that we have to deal with have to change first before any more than a few will adopt some more enlightened outlook.

[@sarahheys2770]

I think we need both, and everything all at once, start in the mess & keep going with care. Bests to you :)

[@NMPT777]

@@sarahheys2770Agree with Sarah^

[@ruthtaylor3496]

Re AI: Why has it gone after the creative arts first if it will open the world up to our inner Human specialness?

[@publicdomain1103]

I'm in love again.... Krista will you have me? ShakeUp XR

[@achenarmyst2156]

I sometimes wonder if there are just two „types“ of people, the ones who mainly live in the materialist sphere and the other ones who inhabit the more spiritual or philosophic side of life. And maybe both halves depend on each other to a certain degree. But it always proves to be extremely difficult to pull someone over to „your side“. Its easier for a camel to pass through a needle‘s eye than for Trumpists to become ecologists.

[@ronkrate609]

mostly abstractions

[@sylsau6506]

Thank you Nate. I have a plan, morality and everything. Send me a message I will provide you with more information.

[@achenarmyst2156]

Wow, talk about moral and religion. There have been tons of „moral“ constructions in different religious systems that turned out to be profoundly inhuman, cruel, misogynic, disrespectful of childrens‘ needs etc. When there was positive transformation in religions it was mostly induced by elements of science, enlightenment, democracy, human rights movement. The true source of moral is human deliberation and empathy, not some sort of divine revelation.

[@nutbagus]

On it since Carter Administration . S.OR Now I can Help . 6 acres nest to BLM.

[@joeymurdazalotmore6355]

carl Sagan , leaving religion coming in from the cold to actual reality no magical thinking , telescopes , geology , logic , horrible wars , that's bandwidth lost hoping for magic , slippery slope, not my thing no disrespect

[@Shalien333]

Evolution and Spirituality Fast Forward kzbin.info/aero/PL5C5B5046487E06FD&si=QUdtBwUpswqKewfp