A PowerPoint about Mega Evolutions

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[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

Mega Rayquaza was genuinely a war crime. Being that strong and able to hold an item is unfair

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

dammit i forgot to mention it can carry an item (also ur right mega ray is FUCKED UP)

[@nousername191]

What were they smoking when they made Mega Ray?! It could not have been hard to come up with a mega stone. Hell, even if they wanted to make it a Primal, the Jade Orb was right there from HGSS. A mega that's free to hold an item and just needs arguably the best physical Flying type move in the game?!

[@maciejwaciej]

in legends zaza they will put Calyrex on Mega Rayquaza, you can quote me on that

[@njivwathomassilavwe2056]

@@maciejwaciej Calyrex space rider

[@ClipsofFun]

​@@nousername191They did. Rayquaza just ate the Mega Stone in the game.

[@esralper00]

"Don't worry guys legends ZA will balance megas, game freak has learned its lesson." At that exact moment Game freak who is busy designing mega Xerneas and Yveltal: :)

[@tayclark42]

Lmao

[@dustinbragg1921]

Meanwhile GF is giving Mega Xerneas either a new ability that removes charge/recharge turns for moves or Simple, and Yveltal an ability that passively drains all surrounding pokemon at the end of the turn like Leech Seed or a one-time auto-endure on knockout that steals 50% of all surrounding pokemons' current hp to heal it.

[@MercuryA2000]

​@@dustinbragg1921honestly, a passive leech seed sounds like a kinda cool ability.

[@dustinbragg1921]

@@MercuryA2000 Yeah, but it'd be pretty annoying. Especially in doubles where it would be hitting both opponents and its ally (assuming no Magic Guard) at the end of every turn. No Grass-type seed immunity, no Rapid Spinning it off, no Protect/Taunt/Substitute counterplay. Just every turn taking a decent chunk of chip as MYveltal pulls in almost a whole Regenerator heal for free.

[@elrichardo1337]

yveltal straight up gets chthonic malady from the fangame rejuvenation 💀 it’s a custom Z-move that gives -2 atk and spatk, torment, + petrification (leech seed as a non-volatile status) to its target; it is every bit as broken as it sounds

[@tonyg9775]

Can't believe the ONE gen 5 mega we got was Audino lmao

[@quinndepatten4442]

ONE?! WHAT!

[@tonyg9775]

@@quinndepatten4442 yep, no other gen 5 mons got a mega, thought it might be for the best because a LOT of them are already really good and making them better would make them broken (case in point, Kingambit)

[@franciscofernandezmedrano9613]

​@@tonyg9775 kinggabit without an item, a fixed hability and no tera type would be balanced

[@horiziac]

Not as annoying as gen 6 only getting one mega thats exclusively available through an event in order to give way too many to kanto

[@tonyg9775]

@@horiziacI thought no gen 6 mons got any megas?

[@DrCoeloCephalo]

Mega Audino is also a victim of Pokemon's issue with overlap. Clefable exists and does everything Audino would want to do even without a Mega. Personally, my favorite Megas were ones like Pinsir and Kangaskhan where the original Pokemon is low tier trash that needs the help.

[@janner2006]

Mega Audino also got a shit ability for singles which to my understanding isn't even good in doubles. It's a pretty cool pokemon and I think it's nicely designed but it unfortunately just utterly fails in comparison to other megas and just other OU walls. I wish regular Audino got the Normal/Fairy typing but alas it's still just a normal type that's severely outclassed by so many other defensive walls.

[@KrazyKyle-ij9vb]

Yeah I really liked Aggron and Beedrill for similar reasons

[@blackdot105]

All it needed was to keep Regen and it's already solid.

[@et34t34fdf]

Somehow, Rayquaza needed a mega evolution.

[@Castersvarog]

I’m going to play devils advocate about that, gamefreak loves making odd decisions for story situations. Mega Rayquaza is an example of that, being so Important in the context of lore and story so they wanted to do something cool with it, hence mega Rayquaza being a thing. It’s rule of cool basically.

[@theman6422]

@@CastersvarogI like when Pokemon does rule of cool stuff until we get into some crazy arbitrary stuff. Like Ash-Greninja; its cool, yeah, but it literally makes no sense that this is the ONLY POKEMON IN THE ENTIRE SERIES that could ever transform into a form based on the bond with its trainer. I think thats just a little odd how that is the only time that has ever happened with a pokemon, then never again

[@SuperSonic-9999]

@@Castersvarog It's also for marketing because mega rayquaza is childrens' favourite. But even if they wanted to give it a mega, they still had the chance to make it balanced, but they didn't.

[@TanatatKnight246]

@@SuperSonic-9999 This. Rayquaza was a huge favorite for alot of people over the world. It got goddamn V-create in Gen V when it was voted the most popular box mascot for Pokemon 15th Anniversary in Japan. It was absolutely broken because GF wanted it to be.

[@cozmicclockwork1136]

​@@Castersvarog it was also necessary to help Rayquaza keep up with the primals. There's no way you could argue that it was regular Rayquaza that was able to put down primal Groudon and primal Kyogre. If it didn't get a mega it would have gotten a primal anyway.

[@myhairhasamindofitsown]

My sadness with mega is that I feel that some pokemon that recieved mega evolutions, like mawile, sableye, bannete or loppuny, what they really needed was a cross-gen evolution. But now the mega evolution "lore" has locked them out of an actual evolution until GF decides to go back on that only final stages can recieve a mega.

[@Psychomaniac14]

a regional variant could get an evolution

[@molberding5]

@@Psychomaniac14It could, but that adds the complication of being, y’know, regional. Sirfetch’d is cool, but that’s locked to Galarian Farfetch’d, meaning Kantonian Farfetch’d is still garbage. I’d prefer what they did in Gens 2, 4, and 9 by giving permanent evolutions to the previous Pokemon (Mismagius, Annihilape) and having regional evos be split from existing ones (Quagsire/Clodsire, Weavile/Sneasler)

[@Psychomaniac14]

@@molberding5 I meant that a pokemon that already has a mega could get a regional variant with an evolution

[@smonkk8556]

@@Psychomaniac14 a pokemon with a mega could also just... get an evolution. having a gigantamax didnt stop them from giving duraladon an evolution. it's their game - they make the rules of what can be done

[@Psychomaniac14]

@@smonkk8556 eevee and pikachu already had gigantamax forms, there was precedence for pokemon that weren't fully evolved having gigantamax forms that precedence doesn't exist with mega evolution

[@MOJA616]

"the good , the bad and the broken" that's smart af

[@LoMaLouis]

Can´t wait for Pokemon Legends Za and Mega Clodsire, instantly making a new tier above anything goes (it had 1000% usage in AG)

[@funninoriginal6054]

It's ability, "Overwhelming Cuteness", with it's stupidly powerful effect of making every move miss the user, was simply too strong for the tier to handle.

[@calvinnguyen1870]

Favoritism was also a big factor. In terms of game balance, who needed a mega-evolution more, Salamence or Spinda? The answer is obvious. But who was GameFreak actually going to give it to? The answer is also obvious.

[@supremeclamitas5053]

Mega Spinda with wonder guard+good as gold on top of a normal/normal type combo and base stats of 80/160/50/0/50/120, as well as its new signature move "spinny slam" (120bp, always confuses, always super effective against mons heavier than spinda-m) would have been far too powerful. Good thing they stuck with balanced megas like Salamence

[@greyscaleadaven]

This is part of the reason why I prefer mechanics like Z-Moves or Tera over Megas. Because the buffs are indiscriminate and create more depth of play for all pokemon, not just a cherry-picked handful of them. Look at how much ice types benefitted from Tera, or how Gen 7 took steps to counter the rampant stall mons with nuke moves that take up an item slot and can poke a hole if used correctly once per battle. Gen 7 is one of the more healthy metas for this reason, because flow of play isn’t slowed down one third of the time by an unfun stall fest that lasts 300 turns. Say what you want about “power scaling” but it’s far better than whatever was happening in earlier gens that had defensive cores so strong and unstoppable that they have at least a baker’s dozen of notorious names for them. Sure, I’m all for respecting people’s play styles. I’m a balance player who does rarely dip into hyperoffense or stall if it’s what my team needs. But the overall metagame is what matters, there’s fun stall that has checks and there’s unfun stall. Just like hyperoffense. In gen 6, it was of the unfun variety.

[@jimmy13morrison]

252+ Atk Choice Band Strong Jaw Dracovish Fishious Rend (170 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Toxapex in Rain: 276-326 (90.7 - 107.2%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO GF never cared about balance why would they spend dev time on spinda that everyone forgot existed before reading this comment instead of fan favorite salamence?

[@aroramccracken2429]

​@@greyscaleadavenTbh g-max is my favorite gimmick because it still gives new designs and life to old pokemon and can be used by everyone, win win

[@Spooder_Man1421]

Yk they need to bring it back. Some pokemon could really use it in their arsenal. Incineroar and flutter mane could really use boosted stats. And mega moushold with parental bond is really fitting.

[@cadetjones9205]

You do NOT want Mega Maushold. Maushold learns Super Fang. Parental Bond Super Fang will be hell to fight against, regardless of if the Mega Goes defensive or offensive with the stats.

[@Foolish_Spoon]

mega moushold just adds four more mice

[@deffikE05]

Next stop, the plague ​@@Foolish_Spoon

[@Spooder_Man1421]

@@cadetjones9205 that set sounds pretty good. Although I was thinking more wide lens pop bomb parental bond

[@aj_dj4115]

misses population bomb

[@ZachPowers1996]

Oh boy, I can't wait for Z-A to get another form of Charizard /s

[@thekoifishcoyote8762]

I know you're joking, but we already have mega charizard X and Y, so there's a decent chance for a Z

[@TheMightySpurdo]

Don't forget Mega Mewtwo Z

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Expectations: Mega Charizard Z and Mega Charizard A Reality: A Mega Charizard for every letter of the alphabet (They wrote Z-A backwards)

[@WildBandit300]

Are they confirmed yet? I can't imagine modern game freak putting any amount of effort and adding them in

[@kiwi40238]

they should aboslutely bite the bullet for the memes

[@EclipseonPMD]

I was so upset when I saw Audino lost Regenerator as a mega. Its design is so cute and it was probably that last chance Audino had to be good. Also it's the only mega from Unova. Where's my mega Sigilyph GameFreak?

[@lixyo4320]

If it’s any consolation, I’ve heard Mega Audino was really good in the TCG when it was in the standard format

[@shadowpiplup]

​@@lixyo4320 it wasn't good more like it was good in the world's format that they were playing that year because it reliability 2 shot everything that format and did decent spread damage. The player who one worlds that year was the only one running it.

[@talesmachadovertelo]

Losing Regenerstor being a tank and using Healer instead wad a death sentence unfortunaly

[@asierx7047]

I can only picture Mega Sigilyph as a biblical angel

[@EclipseonPMD]

@@asierx7047 That would actually be so cool. It already has the wings and unsettling eyes all over its body. Not sure how it would fit into the lore tho. Unless the ancient city they guarded was heaven.

[@_cat_smith_]

I actually found surprising success in OU with a mixed-attacking Mega Garchomp (by maxing Chomp's SpA EVs, you can make both attacking stats equally high, thus basically having Mega Garchomp serve as a softcore-Banded mixed attacker with move options, at the notable (but not crippling) cost of speed Mostly because, as a Mon with a massive physical Attack stat, literally no one saw Draco Meteor coming

[@omoro1893]

heat

[@SketchBookShortFilms]

A friendly reminder that we were spared a Mega Snorlax. I say spared because we all know where those bonus stats were gonna go. Take 5 points from its speed to make it better in Trick Room strats. put 45 points into its physical defense, put the rest in HP. We now have a monster that has 220 HP, 110 in both physical stats as well as special defense that becomes a speedster in Trick Room. Want to make it worse? There are a bunch of abilities that make this thing even scarier if we dont use the already good Thick Fat. Most notable are Regenerator for passive healing or Fluffy for the even greater boost to its physical bulk.

[@william_sun]

No Mega form has a different base HP stat than its base form, and if they were going to break that self-imposed rule, they would've done so already on one of the 48 Mega forms that currently exist. There's a slight chance that they'll break that rule if they rebalance their stats in Legends: Z-A, but if we had gotten a Mega Snorlax back in Gen VI-VII, it definitely wouldn't have gotten a boost to HP.

[@Psychomaniac14]

megas can't have extra HP

[@rowanwinters5510]

With the return of megas, it is a prime opportunity to finally balance them and improve the lesser ones to be more desireable. I could totally see Mega Audino's ability being changed to Triage. Priority healing would be huge on such a bulky mon like it. But it would still b balanced by the fact its typing is "okay" and that it can't hit the hardest.

[@blazie42069]

That or regenerator

[@egbertmilton4003]

They're not going to balance them ever

[@numberhunter62]

@@egbertmilton4003 Let him have hopium

[@jaop3734]

Mega sceptile with contrary 🤤

[@theshatteredseas4629]

Mega incineror, parting shots immediately on entry

[@EmboLo777]

i hope the kalos starters get a mega because i thought it was silly that they didnt get it in their own game. it'd be really funny if xerneas and yveltal got their own primal like forms and got suped up abilities like making fairies/dark types gain defense, speed, and attack boosts.

[@ElectricWindGirlFriend]

it was interesting esp considering that in other games your starters are the main avenue to use the gimmick

[@frozenbonkchoy4986]

@@ElectricWindGirlFriendtoo true with starter-specific z-crystals and g-max forms. Greninja kind of got a mega tho (yes I know it isn’t a real one but it acts rlly similar :) )

[@realgooey]

@@ElectricWindGirlFriendIt’s because they wanted to give center stage to the kanto starters for those sweet nostalgia points I’m guessing

[@bosniagaming2708]

@@frozenbonkchoy4986gmax forms for starters were only in ioa

[@Erikuzuma]

Even more than that, the Gen II starters. Not only do they all kinda suck, but I NEED Mega Feraligatr for my trio of Dragon type lizard Mega starters with Charizard and Sceptile.

[@catdatwat9743]

As a HUGE fan of glalie, I actually wept tears of joy when I first saw his mega And then fell into a depressive episode when they took it away 😭

[@BlitzkriegOmega]

Me, but with Mawile. My baby boy got to be king for a couple of generations, And then he was cast aside for...Big.

[@jakariashafin8685]

Me but with my precious zards

[@MMurine]

Sableye and Mawile are my two favorite pokemon, and while they definitely went at least a little too hard on both of their megas, it was nice to see both get thematically resonant megas that made good use of their base features (their excellent typings and pre-mega abilities).

[@blazie42069]

Mega Gengar is definitely getting the nerf hammer next gen, even vgc players despise it Also why doesn't Mega Audino get regenerator, Healer is so bad and singlehandedly makes base Audino better than its mega in a lot of cases. I hope gamefreak rectifies mega Audino

[@LexClone5]

One issue I kinda always had with playing in a Megas Metagame was the guessing game that would go on if both the base Mon and the Mega were usable (ie Scizor, Blaziken, TTar, Gengar, etc), and if you were running multiple of these, the opponent had to make a guess on who would hold the Mega Stone. Conversely, there would be certain Mons who you'd KNOW is the Mega (Lopunny, Beedrill, Pinsir, Heracross, etc), and could react accordingly from Team Preview. If Megas do come back for the next Gen, then hope for those tournament players that Open Team Sheets sticks around lol

[@petelim477]

Megas were way more predictable than Z moves, Dynamax, or Tera. At least you could have an educated guess based on the limited amount of Megas.

[@puffypuff3144]

honestly i would be entirely unbothered if the pseudo megas were just silently left behind. Giving megas to 600 bst mons defeats the point of what makes megas cool to begin with. I am, however, stoked that mega amph finally gets to come back

[@christiancinnabars1402]

A mon having a high bst _does not_ mean it shouldn't be given a Mega. Goodra is not surviving in the meta, and Hydreigon also is getting crept to irrelevance slowly but surely. Compare that to Blaziken, who already had Speed Boost and was god tier/banned in Singles, or Gengar, who's regular form in Gen 6 had more usage than both of the pseudos mentioned above, and the high bst starts seeming irrelevant and an oversimplification of the viability of certain mons.

[@puffypuff3144]

@@christiancinnabars1402 you are severely oversimplifying things, nobody ever said that bst correlates to viability. If it was, Kyurem Black would have never fallen from Ubers for any amount of item even still, both the pseudos you mentioned were solidly UU at the time megas were introduced; their gradual decline is a symptom of the egregious powercreep Pokemon has undergone. Having so many raw stat points does make it much, much more likely for +100 to be the tipping point into giving a mon everything it could ever need, as both of the ORAS pseudo megas well-demonstrate. Garchomp is the exception that proves the rule, given that it LOSES something it needs in the transition. The fact they weren't the only broken megas doesn't diminish that nor have any real relevance to my point (though I would say megas also felt like a popularity contest at times, which lead to other unnecessary megas like Gengar). The pseudo megas were a massive factor to what soured everyone on the concept due to being massive blobs of stats barely affected by losing the item slot, and aside from their visual designs we'd be losing nothing of value if they were somehow excluded.

[@ree9751]

I understand it might not be good for balancing, but if I get a cool dragon, I want it to transform into an even cooler dragon.

[@AlolanRychu]

Megas are a double edged sword. They are to me, the best mechanic for the series overall. It’s just really cool using the power of friendship to have you pokemon push past their limits. The problem is that they are very polarizing in vgc. I would prefer if megas were a mainstay for games that werent a part of the vgc, the lets go games are perfect examples. Remakes and side games can utilize them greatly without worrying about destroying the meta. Plus pokemon go having more megas is always fun

[@TheGary2346]

Well that’s mainly a GameFreak issue. I don’t think it’s fair to say that we shouldn’t be allowed to have Megas in competitive because GameFreak doesn’t know how to properly balance them. Mega Kanga was fine in Gen 7 after they nerfed Parental Bond, albeit still very good. If they feel the need to cater to hype by giving Megas to Pokémon that don’t need them like Gengar, Salamence, Rayquaza, etc, they have to at least attempt to balance them. Mega Chomp and Mega T-Tar were balanced despite having insane stats, because they were more side grades vs strict upgrades. They could definitely do that for other Pokémon without breaking the meta.

[@AlolanRychu]

@@TheGary2346 thats totally fair! I would love if the megas were all balanced enough to not have such gods of destruction metas like mega ray and the primals. Im just not holding my breath that gamefreak wouldnt make even bigger threats. And honestly, vgc is so small compared to the wider audience of pokemon that if we had a year or two of overpowered mega monsters before they take them out again, id be okay with that too

[@royalgelly8948]

Megas didnt destroy the meta anymore than any other broken ass mon in the past 3 gens. The only issue with megas was the 1 per game limit, which restricted you to saving your mega for only the best.

[@aronspiker72]

I've said this before, but Megas being so polarizing in VGC is the reason why Dynamax was the way it was as it was quite balanced in Doubles (at least before mons like Kyore and Groudon got access to it) but is utterly broken in both single battles and the main story, in fact SwSh is significantly harder if you never use Dynamax. Tera, however, feels like it strikes the perfect balance of being very strategic in Doubles, not being incredibly broken in singles, and actuallly being an interesting addition to the battle system for single player- unlike Z-Moves.

[@hannahgambino3884]

Giving Pokémon like Beedrill, Mawile, Absol, Pidgeot, Blastoise, Sceptile, and Manectric a much deserved upgrade is the exact notion we should apply to new Mega Evolutions moving forward. This mechanic’s intention was to level out the power creep in Gens 6-7. Also, having Z-moves AND Megas in the same game was so refreshing and exciting, and I hope Gen 10 is cooking up something like that.

[@CantusTropus]

I mean, it doesn't really DO that, since Beedrill and Mega Beedrill feel like completely different Pokémon. It never struck me as "making Beedrill etc better", but rather "making a powerful new Pokémon that you can only use if you run Beedrill on your team".

[@hannahgambino3884]

@@CantusTropus l think of it as a new form that allows you to run Beedrill in OU. However, I am a supporter for updating base stats of previous generation pokemon to match current power creep. ROM Hacks like Blaze Black/Volt White and Emerald Kaizo do this very well.

[@vvlaze]

I think a reason they tend to be so skewed is that they’re given to incredibly popular Pokemon, ones that are usually strong to begin with. It can end up with the awkward “rich get richer” type situation where the ones that need it are left out to dry while strong mons become absurd.

[@TheSpeep]

Megas were a great mechanic, but they should never have given them to anything with pseudo legendary or better stats. There are so many mons I fell in love with in Gen 6 due to their megas that I now just cant use anymore because they suck without them.

[@phyllotaxis]

Favorite mega is Abomasnow, it just puffs itself up like an angry cat lol

[@user-ni5ww4iy6r]

i still wanna have Mega-Yanmega and Mega-Meganie

[@Rainbro359]

Mega Dragonite just for the mega stone name.

[@Psychomaniac14]

@@Rainbro359 if that becomes real they're gonna break the mega stone naming convention and probably call it Dragonium

[@Rainbro359]

@@Psychomaniac14 then they would be cowards

[@Psychomaniac14]

@@Rainbro359 so you want Dragonitite?

[@Rainbro359]

@@Psychomaniac14 yes. Dragoniteite to be exact.

[@mintx1720]

I think megas in general are good because most of them are predictable, no scarf, band or sash nonsense. Sure zard-y is strong, but it's one scarf rock slide away from dying.

[@egbertmilton4003]

Too bad your example is absolute garbage. Try justifying something like Mega Scizor, Gengar, Rayquaza, Salamence, or Gyrados, because no, not all megas were balanced like Charizard Y

[@TheCommenterSam]

@@egbertmilton4003 How is Mega Gyarados broken? Mega Scizor I can get, even if not comparable to Mega Gengar, M-Salamence and especially not M-Rayquaza.

[@Hyperneosonic97]

@@egbertmilton4003Your example fell apart when you mentioned Mega Scizor and Mega Gyarados, who aren't broken. The _actual_ broken Megas vary by format. In Smogon formats, not counting the already banned in base Blaziken, Rayquaza and Mewtwo (Speed Boost Blaziken was still broken in Gen 6 and 7), the broken Megas were Kangaskhan, Gengar, Lucario, Salamence and Metagross, plus Mawile and Sableye in Gen 6 only. In VGC, the broken Megas were Gardevoir, Charizard Y, Mawile and Kangaskhan.

[@egbertmilton4003]

@@TheCommenterSam Sorry, autocorrect, I have been talking about Gen 1 Pokemon quite a bit recently. Mega Metagross is the main i was thinking about, alongside Mega Lucario

[@egbertmilton4003]

@@Hyperneosonic97 Autocorrect, I didn’t noticed I put down Gyrados, I was putting down Mega Metagross, the one infamously only checked by another busted mega, Scizor. And let’s be honest, Mega Scizor was overpowered, it had no good counters, with every fire attacker just getting deleted, and after smashing them, could either roost or pivot out with ease. Mega evolutions we’re a blight on the series balance. They never made the game better or more diverse, they just stagnated it even more than it had stagnated. Mega Evolutions are the third worst gimmick in the games

[@dripsquid6618]

I wish some of the megas were just additional evolutions instead of temporary

[@lum_berry111]

honestly this is one of my biggest gripes with megas. while i appreciate the attempt to make worse pokemon better, i would've preferred mawile having a permanent evolution with a usable bst rather than a busted mega.

[@romantheamazing8150]

i like how everyone is going into this new legends game thinking about it competitively, but if you remember the last legends game it just didnt have multiplayer at all.. sooooo

[@AggRhon]

Besides, most of the Hisuian mons were busted af in one way or another

[@Neechroma]

yea but u could actually transfer from legends to paldea, what about megas now? we could probably also transfer thise

[@Knox-bi3yp]

​@@Neechroma...they'd just make it so that any held mega stone gets removed on transfer?

[@Dz73zxxx]

And then there's Mega Sableye, the trickster. As if prankster itself is not enough, the gremlin got the No U Gem shield

[@K8aclysm]

I'm really sad how much Gamefreak mishandled megas -balance wise- because it's far and away my favourite "Gimmick" and does SO much more for the pokemon who need the power boost than Z moves, Dynamax, or even Tera. If they kept it to pokemon who were underwhelming and needed the help, and didn't give them to legendaries we'd probably have a much better time. I can't even say that their decision to give "Popular" pokemon mega evolutions was the sole cause of the issues; both mega charizard forms were good but not busted. It's when they started giving them to Pseudo-legendaries and legendaries themselves when things got stupid. Literally who thought mega rayquaza was a good idea. what the fuck.

[@doorto6152]

IMO, the biggest issues with megas is on a conceptual level: only a handful of pokemon can get one. The nice thing about every gimmick since megas is that they apply to every single pokemon in the game. Yes there were exclusive z moves and gigantimax forms, but that didn’t exclude the remaining mons from the z move and dynamax mechanic, respectively. Most, if not all, of the lower tier pokemon made strong by megas would prefer to have it as a permanent evolution or alternate form. Mega sableye, mega khanghiskan, etc. The only mons that would lose out from this alternative would be the starters.

[@ArcherR135]

I’m stoked for Megas to come back, both as a casual player and a VGC player. Casual side’s obvious. For VGC, it won’t be as big of an issue anymore because it’s open team sheets now, meaning you can immediately see what Pokémon are running Mega Stones and plan accordingly. And especially after dealing with Tera for a whole generation, Megas might actually feel like a breath of fresh air

[@TriforceZard]

I think it’s fine for Mega Evolution to run wild in the new Legends game assuming it’s a singleplayer experience like the last one. I just hope the game still manages to be difficult despite such a powerful mechanic being on the table.

[@nicolasromani3523]

If we get Mega Blastoise with access to Shell Smash that thing is going straight to UBERS.

[@sonicrunn3r895]

My most wanted thing for Legends Z-A if they intend to use this to bring back Megas for the future is that we get more Megas, especially for generations that were snubbed chances for more Megas, and more underused Pokemon that could benefit from the buff! Gen 6's starters feel like the biggest snubs (and most likely candidates), like they didn't even get the gimmick of their home generation, like WHAT? Other Gen 6 mons could also use something of the like (personal dream: Mega Meowstic), Gen 5 also definitely needs the love too, though idk which from it would be good picks tbh, I'm not a gen 5 nerd.

[@ieatsand9259]

Mega Chandelure would go hard

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Maybe they could bring Ash-Greninja back by just making it a Mega?

[@Kaizer_Ulysses]

Zacian just got nerfed hard! She could really use a mega! Same goes to incin, boom, flutter, and urshifu

[@Kaizer_Ulysses]

Give zacian e speed pls

[@gmkgoat]

Megas come in 3 varieties. 1. Shit that doesn’t need and shouldn’t have one. 2. Shit that should’ve just gotten a new regular evolution. 3. Actual good ideas.

[@maciejwaciej]

Mega is definitely the best generational gimmick, singles-wise. The fact that you can figure out the mega at team preview already makes it less frustrating than Z-Moves or Dynamax. Add to that the fact that you can bluff Mega with some mons that work without it (Scizor, TTar, Garchomp), and paving the way for less used mons to be viable in higher tiers (Glalie, Beedrill, Aggron, etc.), and you have a perfect addition to a competitive game. If only the concept of bans was introduced to VGC, maybe Kangaskhan and Rayquaza wouldn't sour the gimmick as much as they did.

[@thestylemage2092]

I disagree on the lower tier mons, a mega is not actually Glalie/Beedrill/whatever being a viable OU mon. That mon is still trash, but the new mon that shares some visual design is OU/UU. Megas really aren't different from Paradox forms...

[@egbertmilton4003]

Nope, they were straight up the second worse gimmick in all the games. Only a handful were even used much, and those were the ones on Pokemon already buffed. They just made the meta even more stagnant. Why use Mega Beedrill when Mega Aerodactly is strictly better? Why not use Mega Scizor over every other set, ands especially over Mega Heracross and Mega Pinsir. Megas were just a detriment for the game

[@Hyperneosonic97]

@@egbertmilton4003 ...Because Pinsir and Heracross' megas have niches Scizor's doesn't have (and aren't deathly afraid of fire)? Because Base Scizor is good enough that it doesn't _mandate_ usage of the mega? Also, again, he was talking about Smogon, and it is actual FACT that Megas were best for singles play... especially when you compare it to Z-Moves, Terastal, or of course the dumpster fire that is Dynamax. A grand total of 13 Megas saw OU play in Sun/Moon: Alakazam, both Charizards, Diancie, Gyarados, Latias, Lopunny, Mawile, Medicham, Sableye, Scizor, Swampert and Tyranitar. If we take into account UUBL Megas like Heracross and Pinsir, the reason they weren't used instead of Scizor is because the metagame was fundamentally more hostile to them, thanks to their generally worse defensive typing than Scizor.

[@egbertmilton4003]

@@Hyperneosonic97 Except since there is only a single mega slot, wasting it on a small niche is simply not worth it compared. They still aren’t overall better than Mega Scizor, who was the main competition in their big type niche, nor do they have a good match up, so why use them. And no, fire isn’t really a good argument, when it can tank most of the attackers using fire that are used to check it, Heatran, Magnezone, Clefable, and Mega Diancie, could be outsped and smashed to pieces. Mega Scizor was straight up oppressive for the meta. Mega evolutions were far from the best addition to singles, they are the third worst gimmick in all the games

[@Hyperneosonic97]

@@egbertmilton4003 ...You literally listed Pokemon who are weak to Scizor's STAB Bullet Punch or coverage moves and ONLY them. What, you think Scizor's going to beat EITHER Mega Charizard (both of whom were also popular in OU)? Also, Scizor doesn't even beat Magnezone and Heatran unless it uses Superpower, which leaves it choked by defensive threats such as Zapdos, Celesteela and Toxapex, which it needs Knock Off to beat (but if it uses Knock Off, it gets throttled by Magnezone and ESPECIALLY Heatran). To say nothing about the fact Mega Scizor running Superpower *is complete setup bait for Volcarona and Mega Charizard X,* both of whom you REALLY do not want to give free setup turns to. I played Gen 6 and 7 OU back in the day, and no, Mega Scizor was not overbearing by ANY metric. Clefable is a defensive 'mon, and No, Scizor DOES NOT reliably tank Mega Diancie's Hidden Power Fire: 252 SpA Diancie-Mega Hidden Power Fire vs. 248 HP / 244 SpD Scizor-Mega: 248-292 (72.3 - 85.1%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

[@kyubbikcat2281]

I’m prepping for Mega Charizard Z. I just know they’re gonna give him a THIRD Mega.

[@connordarvall8482]

In short, Pro: Gives bad Pokemon a glow-up. Con: Gives Pokemon that are already like staring into Discord light mode a glow-up based on marketability. You could also argue that this issue shows up in some form or another with every gimmick. There's also the problem that every change to a Pokemon has the potential to become broken due to an unforseen interaction.

[@unoriginal2552]

"Megas should come back!" Mfs when they see mega ray back in play

[@TwilightMistress]

I rather fight mega-r than the tera bullshit or dinamax

[@christiancinnabars1402]

"Megas are too broken!" MFs while fighting Flutter Mane and Kingambit for the 50th time in a row that day.

[@unoriginal2552]

@@christiancinnabars1402 those have counterplay. Not very much or good counterplay, but counterplay.

[@unoriginal2552]

@@TwilightMistress tera is much better than dynamax. There's actually ways around it.

[@elaias4955]

@@TwilightMistresssay you have not played gen 6/7 competitive without saying it

[@uberculex]

The problem with megas is it sets a group of pokemon where one of them is a must bring. Since they tend to be the strongest pokemon on your team, most of your team is built around countering them. Do I think mega beedrill is sick, of course. If mega beedrill released as a normal regional variant (or paradox etc.) I don't think that would be a bad thing. We already have solutions to the meta paradox, people's minds are just stuck in the past. It's nice to see charizard in team preview and not have to worry about if it's going to dragon dance or not.

[@aaronlaluzerne392]

For me, I want every fully evolved, legendary, and mythical pokemon to get a mega evolution.

[@gabrielespindola4461]

The big advantage megas have in comparasion to z moves, dinamax or tera is the fact that each individual mega have separated bonus, abilitys and types witch alows for trash tier mons to get huge buffs wille strong mons get sidegrades or minor bufs, the down side is that it takes a LOT of hard work to make and balance new megas and gamefreak is getting worst at programing together with the rest of the AAA games industry.

[@SERMareep2007]

Mega ampharos my beloved

[@christianburgoyne265]

Personally I’m worried about the return of Megas. While it does allow for more predictability since only certain Pokémon can, it also often just lead to already strong or favorite Pokémon getting better and more played. Tera is nice cause can be used by all Pokémon and helps a lot of underrepresented Pokémon find a niche. Plus I feel like it requires a high skill since you have to know when exactly to Tera or predicting the exact moment your opponent will. Also, with how game freak has been giving out stats recently, they are gonna make a something bonkers like a Mega Ursifu with like 250 in attack and speed.

[@Hyperneosonic97]

>cause can be used by all Pokémon I don't see how Tera helps underrepresented Pokemon find a niche if the big shots overshadowing them can use Tera too (and probably use it better).

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Z-Moves, Dynamax, and Tera are all flawed exactly due to being usable by every single mon, imo. Are you going to run Frosmoth and Tera it into a Water type to escape its 4x weaknesses? No, you are going to run Tera Flying Kingambit and just win. If it were the case of running, say, Mega Frosmoth, then that wouldn't be an issue because there more than likely wouldn't be a Mega Kingambit to compete with it. Of course, then there comes the issue of Game Freak balancing out the Megas: you don't want Mega Kangaskhans nor do you want Mega Audinos. But at least for the most part, you could run 90% of the Megas without feeling like you're completely throwing by wasting a once per battle mechanic on a trash mon that becomes just mediocre afterwards. They make stuff like Mega Salamence strong, but at least they try to make the Mega Pinsirs and Mega Sableyes almost as strong to compensate. While that is not the case for the other mechanics - Dynamaxing a Thievul gives it _the exact same_ boosts as Dynamaxing an Urshifu.

[@nerdcorner2680]

The thing I hate about megas is the opportunity cost is so great it forms powercliffing. Cool that pidgeot and beedrill got megas, but not having a mega sableye, kangaskhan, etc on your team makes them unuasable. Smogon fixes this a little with tiers, but even then certain megas are unuasable because they are too good for the tier below and better ones exist in their tier. In VGC/casual online play 99% of megas are unusable. Why is mega manetric a thing why it could just evolve into that form with slightly worse stats and no other difference? Edit:and if megas were perminant then many old pokemon who got megas would never get evolutions, a mechanic that already exists and could help these pokemon.

[@EpicShaymin]

Do you think if the overtuned megas had a more balanced stat increase, that would be more effective? Or would lowering the overall stat increase for all megas be better?

[@timeweoya]

The saving grace of this is that Legends Z-A will almost definitely not have any multiplayer

[@J242D]

I was watching a gen 9 ou game the other day and was really missing what mega pinsir could do to these fat teams … megas were so goddamn fun to use

[@simplyn4732]

Flying gem, d dance, dragon ascent on mega Rayquaza

[@theoverseer393]

Mega Rayquaza was so busted that this presentation forgot to include the fact it holds an item. I personally forgot that it literally resets weather for free

[@ajr_7828]

Nice and quick video yet very informative and well said. Love these types of videos

[@SumThingFawful]

*"At least I'm not that guy",* thought Mega Banette. "So anyways priority Destiny Bond"

[@sirquixano5985]

I always wondered if megas would've gotten banned liked dynamax if they had a single item for megas rather than separate mega stones due to "complex bannings." Megas a are a lot of hype, but theres so many issues for them mechanically for them imo and generally should just be evolutions if possible. Not super excited for their return, a bit wary, but not particularly angry or anything.

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Probably not- Megas were the easiest to tier because they can literally be treated as they are: forme changes. They'd just have to ban the broken ones from holding the universal item. Dynamax had the issue of giving EVERYTHING way too much role compression and swinging games in a way Megas can only dream of.

[@someonespc269]

The best Pokémon mechanic by FAR!!!!

[@johnnyjohnson4265]

I think it would be more interesting for mega pokemon to fulfill a different role such as Diancie becoming an offensive based pokemon after mega evolving as not only does this open up the design space more for things other than "X but faster/stronger/bulkir" but it could allow for some rather interesting synergy with pokemon that have tools that they couldn't properly take advantage of such as a special attacker with a physical based movepool or some mind games in which you don't know if something is being used as an offensive standard form or a more defensive mega. Also some gimmicky ability/move combinations such as Compound Eyes Flygon

[@smayu4432]

If I had a nickel for every time a powerful attacker with 135 speed and ~130 offenses with perfect STAB coverage tore apart OU, I’d have 2 nickels.

[@knightpg3d162]

Can you talk about Dynamax in the future?

[@Headspr0uter]

Even if a lot of things wound up broken, even if they weren't psuedos or rayquaza (lol) I was always fine with it as long as it didn't feel too much like the main purpose of the mega was to provide fanservice.

[@adamkampen]

I still haven't transferred my old mons from Sun and Moon because being able to use their megas is way cooler than being on the Switch

[@-libertyprimev1-902]

Mega Pinsir: "WOOO I can fly! This is so fun, I'm NEVER touching the ground again! 😃" Mega Glaile: "OMFG Someone Help Him! His Jaw Is Broken! 😟"

[@ultimapower6950]

Meanwhile in an meteoric timeline: Bug/Ground

[@mantisr818]

Basically every good mega (the one that gives weak pokemon a niche) could have easily been a cross gen evolution. And then you wouldn't be screwd over by the 1 mega per team rule and base forms could use eviolite

[@egbertmilton4003]

Exactly. Megas never addressed the issues, they just exacerbated them. Literally just make more Pokemon evolutions, and it would be fine

[@TheCommenterSam]

@@egbertmilton4003 Not on Pokémon already reaching 3rd stage, but on anything like Mawile, Banette and Lopunny, that definitely can make a lot of differences if done right.

[@christiancinnabars1402]

Except they probably aren't giving a Mawile evolution Huge Power or a Pinsir evolution Aerilate. The "one mon per battle" limitation let Game Freak go full out on making the mons strong while not having to worry about going overboard - once broken mon a team (that can't hold a boosting item) is better than six broken mons a team. Also, all the starters, Beedrill, Alakazam, Ampharos, Aggron, Gardevoir/Gallade, and Pidgeot all fall under weak Pokemon that are given a niche, and I don't think they're getting cross gen evolutions any time soon... Not to mention Salamence and Metagross, who, while not the absolute bottom of the bin, were falling _really_ low in competitive viability in the XY era (especially with Metagross suffering badly from the Steel type nerfs).

[@axilia203]

Imo, Mega audino shouldn't be a mega, but just be Audino's evo I'd have preferred actual evos to megas to all the megas tbh, but I don't think the others actually are good designs for a standard evo

[@josephtripp1696]

Megas are balanced because they trade an item slot in exchange for the stat boosts and ability upgrades Mega Rayquaza: Buenos dias, fuckboys!

[@suddenllybah]

Unlike the other generation gimmicks. megas just gives you an alternate form, so it is not ...clear how good they can be. New Types and abilities, and New BST are there, but it isn't a given that the types, abilities, and BST are allocated in a way that makes them bad. Sure, Z Movies and Max Movies can be weird. but there is an established high power moves for both, and bulk increase for max move access. and Tera ... like has the Stellar and Ogrepon as the max amount of "weird interactions". Which I do like that Terra is simple, but simple can be very strong.

[@ItComeFromWithin]

They gonna make Mega Talonflame and then give him these base stats HP - 78 ATK - 161 DEF - 91 Sp.ATK - 34 Sp.DEF - 99 SPD - 136 Then give him the Original Gale Wings under the disguise of an another name and tell us enjoy the game suckers.

[@theonlineninja7596]

Personally, I don't really mind how they handled Mega Garchomp, and it’s probably one of the more creative mega evos. It does something different with Garchomp by making it a slower, bulky sand attacker over a fast attacker and is actually balanced. Megas like Salamence and Metagross however kinda went TOO far.

[@jackson4672]

My biggest issue with Megas is that the majority went to pokemon that were already popular.

[@ajemison3]

feel bad for the first person to run into mega beedril on the ladder and didnt know that he had a mega

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

When megas return, I hope they are rebalanced in a way that no pokemon would become overwhelming with one! Like, the higher the base bst the lower the mega bst increase.

[@Hyperneosonic97]

The thing is, is it really just the high BST that makes them good? The Mega Lati Twins aren't considered overbearing even with their 700 BST (considered WHOLLY inferior to pre-nerf Soul Dew)- same with Megachomp. Heck, Mega Mewtwo Y wasn't even very good in Ubers because Life Orb Mewtwo tended to hit harder and the extra stats just weren't worth it. In fact, half the reason Gengar, Salamence, Lucario, Kangaskhan and Metagross are considered broken is because of their _abilities._

[@ExcalibeonSwordofEeveelutions]

@@Hyperneosonic97 Well it's a start, Mega Ray and the primals would be much healthier if they were just a +20 bst along with their insane abilities. The Mega Lati's stats are poorly distributed and the Mega two's just didn't have good abilities at all, they'd be better even with a bst nerf if they were just optimized better!

[@TwilightMistress]

Every single mechanic they add breaks the game in new levels, and every game the line between legendaries and normal mons is closer. So my point is: At least megas were cool as fuck :)

[@ezzzzyyy]

PLEASE give us mega pokemon that arent already fan favorites PLEASE

[@WizardDog829]

MGengar is peak mega design

[@viviblue7277]

Honestly Mega Rayquaza was crazy but so was primal reversion. Once takes your item, the other takes your mega slot.

[@pixelbird6862]

I think the biggest problem is that megas weren't handled on a case by case basis by gamefreak, instead they just gave them all a +100 boost to bst. I hope in ZA they'll reconsider and actually balance the stat increase to consider the pokemon they're buffing

[@ladonmccabe]

Mega Garchomp always bummed me out, because he looks so freakin' cool, but that speed decrease is mega bogus

[@orange6259]

People forget megas need an item , key items don’t trade between games megas are stuck in ZA

[@xandinpkmn]

I only played competitively in gens 6 and 7 and mainly singles locals tourneys here in brazil back in the day so I have a bias towards megas and z moves. What I really liked about these is the negative parts like the active choice you have during teambuilding of what pokemon will not have an item so that I can use the mega/zmove and if they fainted before I use so I get nothing, unlike dmax/tera that any pokemon can use any time. Also when I was younger I thought that all last stage pokemon would eventually get a mega.

[@Raigoat]

mega haxorus and krookodile for gen 5 plz

[@SumThingFawful]

If anything, I hope they address the disparity between mega. Some Mega warp the entire format around them. Meanwhile, others lose what made them good at their role to begin with, or become worst versions of another Mon. I just hope my Boy Mega Doom finally gets justice. He has no recovery and requires a sun setter, just to be outclassed by Mega Zard with Drought. Personally hoped he would have gotten a 3rd or regional form instead of being tied to a gimmick. But since its here, hes praying he finally gets to shine when the time comes

[@rangudoesstuff5689]

I do love that the glorifyed Teambuilding restriction dominoed into now evrey Gen getting it's own once per battle bullshit button.

[@HailToLuxe]

Mega toxtricity? ples?

[@justintime2461]

There are several Pokemon which, if they got a Mega, would make them the strongest accessible Pokemon of all time. @~@

[@Munchmaster2000]

I’m just here to fan the flames of the potential for mega incineroar if it’s a starter in Pokemon Z

[@huhneat8908]

I miss Megas because it made my favourite pokemon, Mawile, actually good.

[@M3rtyville]

also there seems to be a type favoritism for megas. Most of them are Psychic and Dragons. Almost all Hoenn Pokemon got a mega. If they give Flygon a Mega, then all Hoenn Dragons have a mega which feels weird. I hope if they are creating new megas, Pokemon that deserve it get them. I am fine with popular pokemon getting mega, but not with things that are already close to being busted like Salamence. The moment I saw the design, I knew it will get broken. Arealate was probable the worst possible ability to give it as it gives it powerful STAB + life orb for Flying Type moves.

[@yan1124]

Mega are cool, but they put Mega in the pokemon needing new evolution Absol Lopunny Banette Mawile they need new evolutions than Mega Evolution

[@Cochu]

Wait, banned from Ubers?? This is like going to heaven and then dying again Where do those go........

[@Hyperneosonic97]

Smogon created an entirely new tier, Anything Goes, to send Mega Rayquaza to. Zacian would follow in Gen 8, and Calyrex-Shadow in Gen 9 (And Miraidon is currently under threat of getting the boot from Ubers too).

[@reth213]

GIVE US MEGA WAILORD

[@ivo8150]

Man you talk fast as hell

[@alio263]

Palestine mentioned! Nice vid

[@ConductorElcrest]

Mega Rayquaza In another language it has a different name I think it interesting "A mistake" is its name

[@Zeo--]

Mega Banette is flexing on Nat Dex OU

[@blondon1368]

I love this chanel. It is quick, informative and gets to the point.

[@polishedrelish]

Pretty good video

[@saltator8565]

Respect for supporting Palestine