A rant on entitlements & tipping culture

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[@reyarthur2792]

Then you have employees spitting in customers' food and throwing/ poor handling their products.

[@rossmanngroup]

This is what tips actually are, a bribe to not have your service ruined. The people that say they click no tip and smile after they do it, I don't understand how you guys have the balls to do that when you're dealing with somebody that is providing you a service after you pay, or that is providing you food that you put in your body. There's something my dad always told me as a kid, don't piss off the people that make your food...

[@bufordmaddogtannen]

Just like in MAFIA movies. 😂

[@moracomole8090]

imagine a mechanic messing with your breaks because you didn't pay more than your bill

[@ambiarock590]

No, if the money that you pay on the menu goes to actually paying the server a good wage then that isnt an issue. European countries laugh at our tipping culture and they do not ask for tips cuz their server gets paid a wage, do you think that they have this issue? They don't. When I went over there I saw servers happily chatting with customers. They are paid a good wage with benefits without expecting tips cuz the menu price covers all the expenses

[@jimgarofalo5479]

Contaminating food intentionally by any means (including spitting, urinating, or whatever else) is a CRIMINAL ACT punishable by incarceration, fines, and loss of employment.

[@celticnoble5650]

A "tip" is no longer a tip when it's expected or required. At that point it's a fee, regardless of whether it may or may not be paid.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

illegal fee i think..

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

america loves tacking on hidden fees

[@illdeletethismusic]

the Jerusalem story shows stereotypes exist for a reason

[@glossymouse7712]

Exactly. A tip in my country is a tip. In less classy bars, the waitress with the largest breasts can typically expect a decent amount of tips. But the majority of tips in other bars come from American tourists who can't fathom not tipping. My cousin earned basically a second salary from tips working as a waitress in a tourism area. Mind you her salary was way above average for a waitress in this country.

[@craighandley7535]

​@@illdeletethismusicare you talking about the customers or the waitress?😂

[@lowellthoerner1209]

Tipping is such a great way to make your employees blame your customers for their low wage instead of you. Gotta love it

[@neoasura]

Employee's that don't understand that deserve a low wage. It means they aren't smart enough to have critical thinking skills to blame their employer.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

Nope. Employees make significantly more on average than they would if they didn't get tips. That is why tips haven't gone away.

[@BestintheWest25]

@@brahtrumpwonbigly7309Which is why they should expect that higher income from their employers, not customers. Why should people buying a product or service be expected to subsidize employees wages?

[@3nertia]

Viva la capitalism!

[@cyphaborg6598]

The thing is I would not accept those conditions. A customer works for their money too so I would tell that employer. " See that customer? he got paid and is buying something from you, and you expect me to get my fair share from them? "Sure if they want to that's a whole different story.

[@davidryan7981]

I was recently at a self-serve frozen yogurt place. You grab your own cup, fill it with the flavor you want, grab some toppings to mix in, then take it to the counter where somebody rings it up (literally all they do in the entire experience), and a tip prompt comes up. That's just beyond parody.

[@jonnyfendi2003]

Yup!!

[@limsalalafells]

Self-checkouts at grocery stores have also offer tips... That goes to the store...

[@ryanshannon6963]

@@limsalalafellsI've never seen this, yet. However, this isn't the first time I've heard of it.

[@personwhodoesthings3075]

@@limsalalafells the machine that goes "unexpected item in bagging area" is so charming i just gotta give it an extra £10.00

[@limsalalafells]

@@personwhodoesthings3075 I fear if I mistreat our AI/software now when they become our overlords I will suffer.

[@cathyu.1487]

Recently went to a BBQ restaurant and paid with a credit card. Prior to submitting the credit card, I asked if I could leave the tip on the card. The worker behind the counter looked uncomfortable, nervously looked around, then leaned forward and whispered in my ear: "We don't get the tips that people leave on credit cards. The boss keeps all of it." I looked at the other person filling the food orders behind the counter and they shook their head "yes" to confirm. I wonder how much of the tipping is just companies keeping the money and not paying it to their workers. (I still had some cash in my purse so I handed the worker behind the counter a cash tip.)

[@wombatillo]

That's despicable employer behavior but it will surely come to that given enough time. The employers will first start using tips as an excuse to not pay their employees enough and then eventually they will start considering it their right.

[@bunkertons]

This disgusts me. Employers who do that shouldn't have businesses.

[@NuclearFantasies]

​@@bunkertonsI believe you meant "should be in prison."

[@thelight3112]

I'm pretty sure it's straight up illegal for an employer to keep tips for themselves.

[@Acehigh-Jenkins]

They’ve been called out for doing it in the uk. They funnel the money to pay the employees wages instead of providing it on top as they should. There was a big hoo ha about its few years ago but I can’t remember the conclusion.

[@user-mt4zr5kp7h]

I was at a food outlet recently. I had to grab my own food, scan it through the self-checkout myself, bag it myself, and then the self-checkout prompted me for a tip! 😂 Like, are you kidding me? So clearly they're not paying their self-checkout machine enough money if it needs a tip. 🤣

[@schandler4958]

I try to tip with cash at restaurants because some companies take the credit card fees charged by the bank out of the tip amount.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

its bad when a automated machine get too little paycheck for its work.. maybe chatGPT will start and ask for tips when he learn the tipping culture?

[@Extremaduur]

Shameless, that tip should actually be a discount.

[@fmo94jos8v3]

Funny is when they ask you about their service at a self checkout. I always think to myself "terrible, you haven't done anything" 😹

[@darealmrog]

​@@fmo94jos8v3"Yes, when the machine told me *beep boob* it made me rethink my life" 😂

[@Zyphera]

Misdirected anger is a really powerful tool for the elite.

[@scowlistic]

🎯💯

[@Qrtuop]

Workers of the world, unite. You have nothing to lose but your chains.

[@phantomCL1]

⁠@@Qrtuopbut for decades I’ve been taught buzzwords and superficial rhetoric about people who say the things you’re saying

[@ferskenmjam252]

true my friend, very true

[@ryanbeyer9078]

kind of like how the government uses illegal immigration to get republicans all up in arms so that they don't pay attention to the immoral things they don't want us to know they are doing behind our backs

[@woutervanr]

As a non-american, this has been a fairly fascinating weird quirk of the US for a long time for me. It's just so weird. How tipping, a gesture of recognition and appreciation for extra services given, has been twisted and into paying your employees so disgustingly little that they think it's normal and okay to literally harass customers.

[@tubesism]

Well it originated from indentured swervitude/slavery so…

[@adamalucard1288]

the thing is that 5 or 10 years ago, it was only for sit down restaurants, hair cutters, tattoos, and some cleaning services however, today it's everywhere in increasingly more insulting and absurd industries and establishments

[@garylangford6755]

In Australia we just ask the price required for the job. if we're staying back for the $300 job the repairer would ask a fair price eg. $500 for the same job

[@garylangford6755]

By the way yes in Australia asking someone to stay behind would cost $200 too someone self employed

[@Ab3ndcgi]

Well, It also speaks volumes about the own employer entitlement, operating under the assumption that people should be grateful for the opportunity of earning him lots of money and get a missery wage in turn, because of tips.

[@1MTEK]

At this point, I would seriously consider going to a business if they advertised out front, "Don't leave a tip-- We compensate our employees!"

[@WhatWillYouFind]

Businesses passing off operating costs "wages" onto customers and those employees is beyond insane, it absolutely needs to stop.

[@boss133749]

How do businesses pay for operating costs if not through the customer?

[@rossmanngroup]

By honestly saying here is what the price of the service is, pay it or not. Asking for a specific price for a part, service, or meal, and then being passive aggressive when you don't get more is bullshit

[@seanalucard369]

​@@boss133749 Asking questions is good but reading comprehension is better.

[@monalisa-bs4zs]

Ye you lost everyone at the second word here.@@rossmanngroup

[@Omniverse0]

@@seanalucard369 They could've tried watching the video before replying in the comments, but that would require effort.

[@nunyabusiness7602]

There is a local Chinese restaurant that I regularly dined in and would tip the waitresses when finished. The first time I ordered takeout and went to pick it up I offered a tip to the cashier which happened to be the owner, a sweet little Chinese lady. She asked, "Why you tip? No tip, no tip, take out!" She was actually upset over the offer of a tip. It was strange and refreshing at the same time. This happened about 20 years ago and that one event changed my views on tipping.

[@monocledmanatee6355]

In China there's no concept of tipping. As in, at all.

[@boreal3255]

​@@monocledmanatee6355Good.

[@yorha.a2]

I believe it's similar in Japan too, tips are considered rude.

[@batlin]

Same experience here at a Chinese restaurant in Dublin. I added a tip and the cashier said something like "are you dumb? why would you give away your money?". Fair point, I thought...

[@NadaEspamo]

You don't tip a cashier. They aren't providing you a service, like a waiter. If you walk up to somebody, you are not being served, thus no tip should be expected.

[@shadewing666nz]

This really caught me off guard when I visited Canada. I went to a pizza place, made my order and went to pay with my card. The card machine asked for a tip, I was really confused as I had never seen this before, especially surprised because I'm from New Zealand and everywhere (even Sunday market stalls) use card machines. I asked how I was meant to choose a tip before I got my food? I don't know if it tastes good, bad, great, if the kitchen is slow or fast, etc. Tipping for me is when I get better service than expected, like Louis put it "above and beyond". But at this point I haven't even finished the process of placing my order. They said I can put something down if I want but they don't mind if I put $0, apparently the machine comes form a U.S. manufacturer and they can't figure out how to turn off the default of asking of a tip. They also said I could always tip next time if I like the pizza this time, which makes some sense.

[@takatamiyagawa5688]

If you're going to another country, you read up on the cultural norms before you arrive. That said, I'm not sure you'll find an explanation for pre-service tips. -and I don't entirely believe the employee when they say they say they can't figure out how to configure their machine for no-tipping.

[@atleastimtrying5391]

@@takatamiyagawa5688🤓

[@Wveth]

​@@takatamiyagawa5688I am a fellow Canadian, I have worked retail a few different places and trust me, you cannot turn the tip thing off on certain machines. Tips aren't nearly as common up here but you always get asked by certain debit machine brands, not others.

[@takatamiyagawa5688]

@@Wveth That's... evil programming.

[@isea_]

They want a tip because they went above and beyond to inconvenience you with extra steps in placing your order and supporting their business. It's like we've forgotten customer loyalty. If you are good to me, I reward it by being a recurring customer OR recommending others to be a customer. Everytime I have to do a press for the tip popup, its an extra annoying step that makes the process longer and gives me a negative unhappiness. If I'm being made unhappy/uncomfortable you think I'll want to visit again? Also why we tipping waiters by a %? Was it harder for them to carry my 100 dollar steak vs the 30 dollar steak? (assuming its a quality/price difference and not weight difference) If anyone gets a paid % its the chef

[@bradysteeley7414]

This is why, as a restaurant server, im never mad when people dont tip the "suggested" tip amount when the suggestion is 18, 20, or 25%! Its disgusting how its expected for customers to pay such a wildly extra amount on top of the already high priced food.

[@MrEmy85]

and I don't get the percentage. Why do you get as a tip more money if order expensive food/drinks? Work is exactly same. I can go order a salad and coke and u get maybe 5$ as a tip orI can get stake and 2 glasses of wine and you get 20$.

[@bradysteeley7414]

@@MrEmy85 I agree with you all the way. The only time a percentage makes sense to me is if it's a larger volume of items ordered. It's obviously harder to keep track of 20 items than 3.

[@BungieStudios]

I’ll tip 20% in cash, but I don’t include the sales tax in that calculation. I don’t get paying a tip for being taxed.

[@bradysteeley7414]

@BungieStudios I agree with you. My coworkers get flustered when the percentage is lower that 15% but like you can't blame the customer I'm just grateful when someone leaves anything

[@jer1776]

The fact we get asked for tips now when ordering food online before we even see it is ridiculous.

[@fmo94jos8v3]

THIS is another thing I hate, tips are performance based. Why does Dominos and other places ask for tips before the food even arrives? Why would I tip if I don't know you've cocked up my order yet? I need to see what the service is like before I decide whether to give any tips. If there is no service, there should be no tip.

[@EH-vv9vi]

I never tip for take out when I am picking it up.

[@Maki-00]

I once ordered from DoorDash and left a $3.00 tip. When the driver arrived, he asked me to come down (from the 8th floor of my building) because $3.00 wasn’t worth it for him to go all the way up there. I was recovering from having fractures in my pelvis and I was just barely able to walk without a cane and it was a lot of effort to get downstairs. I called DoorDash after that and had them remove the tip.

[@steveseattle6791]

Totally agree, I won't do it. I always pay cash with the shops that allow it, or use services that allow me to change it after delivery

[@Omegeddon]

​@@Maki-00that's because the tip is all they really make. Base pay from DD and Uber is like 1.50

[@Quadrupliplex]

The aggressive tip asking has actually caused me to tip less everywhere.

[@bryanmartin2434]

Same

[@verios44]

Spwaking of aggressive tipping, a co-worker who occasionally uses doordash is thinking about not using them as much. They recently added pop ups shaming people for not tipping and threatening poor service if no tip

[@user-jd6nx1ys4f]

I don't go anywhere that has workers who expect tips.

[@triforcelink]

@@verios44that’s really telling of how little they must pay their drivers.

[@rarefruit2320]

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[@realalexmackenzie]

So tired of food service workers who walk 5 feet to retrieve your item, walk 5 feet back and hand it to you, then expect a 20% tip. I'm talking about bakeries, coffee shops, quick-serve type places, not full-service restaurants.

[@Algormortis9]

I'm done tipping 20% plus even for a full service restaurant. To me: No tip = you spat in my food in front of me 5% = you did poorly 10% = good, thank you! 15% = Excellent service I'm pretty sure with American tipping culture, add 10% to each category and that's the current norm... but I'm tired of this unfair practice. Restaurants are such welfare queens. They should pay their staff fairly, and if they can't find workers, they'll have to raise wages just like every other business. Like Louis says, they create the entire financial system their workers "live" in.

[@Thionzi]

As someone who works as both a cook and a server in an upscale french kitchen, I have to say I make way more as a server, but I work way harder as a cook. American tipping culture is just so freaking backward because the skills and learning required to make the dishes rather than sell them just don't pay for themselves at this level.

[@suarezguy]

@@Algormortis9 Why would you prefer having to pay higher prices for everything (businesses wouldn't just pay more on their own without tipping) regardless of quality of service?

[@RonlyBonly]

Same, I worked as a cook for my first job. Although we technically made a higher wage than the waitstaff up front, they always ended up netting more money than us at the end of the day with tips. And this wasn't even a full service restaurant, all the waitstaff did was take orders at the register and bring the food to the table.

[@michaelbarker6460]

I guess I don't care one way or the other because I have never in my life had anyone give me any kind of response positive or negative for just tapping no tip. Even if they did give me a negative response I'd say "ok then sue me." Then I'd purposely return and tap no tip again and again. What exactly is supposed to happen to me if I choose an available option?

[@gustavoguti27]

I hate tipping culture. We do receive gifts in rare occasions for going beyond our expected normal job to help a customer, but we never expect it. And usually it's food or something. If have to do extra work and extra hours to get your things fixed, I will tell you this is the normal price but it will cost you extra. Everything should be clear beforehand

[@daveblackman816]

The craziest thing I ever saw was a self-service checkout asking for a tip. I was like wait what? LOL.

[@robwigglezz944]

At least it asked you. It could just add an extra charge on your card that is explained in tiny print on the receipt

[@abavariannormiepleb9470]

Maybe they asked you how much they should tip YOU for doing the store’s work for them ;)

[@Xeonerable]

Also see that in online orders, in addition to it already charging you a "convenience fee." These vampires will try any which way they can to suck more money out of the consumer.

[@ambiarock590]

Lil Caesar's credit card reader asked me for one yesterday and you bet I declined, eff off Lil Caesar's

[@KevinJDildonik]

If the self service offers tips, the employer is allowed to pay the stockboy far less than minimum wage in most states. That's the trick. If they don't pay, and you don't tip, some let's be honest like Mexican dude takes home less than minimum wage. Good job y'all.

[@CryptoRoast_0]

UK here. Tipping culture is so weird. If you cant afford to pay your employees properly then you cant afford to run a business. Why do customers have to subsidise a bosses desire to own a business? Tips are for exceptional service, not all service.

[@sbdnsngdsnsns31312]

Tipping amounts are supposed to be scaled based on quality of service. Basic service is 10-15%, good service is 15-20%, great service can be more. Bad service is 0-5%

[@CryptoRoast_0]

@@sbdnsngdsnsns31312 why is there a "basic" at all?

[@SushanthSomayaji]

@@sbdnsngdsnsns31312 for basic service you get a salary, for bad service the business losses, for good service you get commendation and business, for exceptional service you get tip.

[@grant_HH]

@@sbdnsngdsnsns31312 why would you consider tipping for bad service?

[@CryptoRoast_0]

@@grant_HH "thanks for jizzing in my burger. Here's 5 bucks".

[@emmalarson]

This is honestly such a good breakdown! I avoid sit-down restaurants now because I simply don't want to tack 20% onto my bill. So many places want tips now that we never tipped at before. I've been to countries where you don't tip and guess what? Received great service or they just did their job without faking trying to be my best friend, which was fine. Tipping is an extra thank you, shouldn't be a mandatory charge.

[@audreymuzingo933]

THANK YOU for stating the solution to people who don't want to tip (don't go to places where you're a jerk if you don't tip). I don't know why this is so hard for some people to understand.

[@emmalarson]

@@audreymuzingo933 if I do go, I do tip but usually throw 20% & call it a day. Not going out does saves a lot of money though 😂

[@audreymuzingo933]

@@emmalarson FAIR. These "I'm not tippin' nothin' because it's not MY fault their bosses are scumbags" ....are pieces of TRASH who should just go pickup their own food, and only fast food, not a full-service restaurant.

[@chocolatecoveredgummybears]

i went to a ice cream place and waited in line for 20 mins and paid $15 for 2 scoops. at the counter it asked me if wanted to tip, i didn't. the lady gave me a nasty look. like wtf

[@stm3252]

I'm a Canadian who just returned from a trip from Italy, and I was surprised that Italian people didn't bug me for tip like here, in contrary I offered tips in many occasions and they refused it! Here in Canada, you go to buy a $2 slice of pizza from a restaurant and the guy hands you the machine defaulted to the tipping options! I think in North America, people are going too far with tipping!

[@ambiarock590]

I had Lil Caesar's credit card reader ask for a tip, and I _immediately_ pressed "No". Screw tipping culture

[@konnorj6442]

They do that hand it right back unfinished and tell them to fix their system it's broken

[@Teampegleg]

I don't mind the lack of tipping culture in other countries, but I also found service to be hit or miss at many places compared to North America. Compare two places in New Zealand, at one the owner worked the front of the house and had amazing service. At another they had a hired server so unless I happened to flag her down on one of her rare trips to the dining room, you were on your own until it was time for the check. I think Japan has a good work around for this with tablet ordering or a call button. But that would also dramatically decrease the amount of staff employed at establishments. Easily half the servers would be unemployed.

[@6tgr]

@@Teampegleg I don't like it in America when you have to wait for your specific waiter to come by, I like it better when they work as a team and they all help everyone.

[@skylarhasmail666]

never tip electronically either always give it to the person you want to have it or else they probably won't really get a tip. Some places split digital tips between everyone who worked that day or just cover OT pay if someone has overtime that week.

[@wardenpotato]

Tipping culture is genuinely one of the bigger culture shocks about America

[@InnuendoXP]

Along with sales tax not being included in the list price.

[@dfgdfg_]

Not from US. Went on holiday to Canada and the first bar I went to I got shouted back to the bar for more money than the bill. It's so weird

[@somestuff364]

@@InnuendoXP this is actually a good thing. People get reminded how much they are paying to their government and expecting to get something in return.

[@kainenable]

I live in Canada, it is the same thing here.

[@rjg18]

Completely agree. From the UK, and been to the US many times. My first time in New York, ordering a beer at the bar, paid for the beer and walked away, then hear a furious barman literally scream: "HEY BUDDY!!! WHAT ABOUT ME!!!!!!?", and turn around to see a very angry man holding out his tips jar.

[@FreshTillDeath56]

The most disgusting thing is having EVERY food business ask for a tip even when they don't bring you food or clean up dishes or do literally anything other than prepare the food for you. It has tripped me up sometimes and now, I am completely done with it.

[@John-om3dx]

Exactly! Subway, Jersey Mikes, Firehouse Subs, Chipotle, all asking for tips now.

[@MrJord1994]

The robots are starting to ask for tips at self checkouts now

[@floridaman6982]

I stopped going. Its overpriced without tips, and i need to wait in a virtual line behind moblie orders? Forget about it!!

[@Graestra]

@@floridaman6982that’s what bothers me. Walk and see no line, sweet I’ll get in and out real quick. But no, there’s 5 online orders ahead of me and it takes over a half hour. You’d think they’d prioritize in store customers who are already there and waiting

[@Nichrysalis]

As a fast food worker, honestly the best advice I can give is don't ever tip unless it's cash. Especially on carryout orders. Companies are already lobbying to change all in house workers to tipped wages so they can lower all in house wages. And they're using the credit card data from being asked to tip as their evidence for the viability to do so.

[@mwolfe99]

My issues with tipping in the US for just bog-standard doing their job: * To whom am I supposed to tip? And how much? The cultural norms around this are beyond confusing - and they continue to change - especially with respect to virtually serviceless labor (ringing you up, handing you a bag). * If the employee is working minimum wage, and even if tips are allowed to offset that minimum, I assume they make more money with tips than just the minimum wage, so there is a strong incentive by both employers and employees to keep the tip culture going. I know a restaurant owner that wanted to implement a no-tip policy. Basically no waitstaff wanted to work there - period. So that was reversed. * If employers were to raise prices to account for the last point - then either they all need to do it, or none will. The sticker price shock to most consumers would make them think twice about going to that place of business and go to another one where the price is hidden till later by tip - unfair as it is. * Tips are still optional in most circumstances, but if you do not tip out of principle then you may be chased out or banned by the establishment (say a restaurant for example). I know of multiple people I've seen this happen to - and it's not pretty. * Tips are rarely commensurate with the work - but simply with the price of what you order. If you order a bottle of wine, an already massively inflated price, you are expected to tip on that. This % of total order seems pretty illogical. * The "guilt tip" - those awful screens they have now at even fast food places - where they spin the screen around and it asks you how much you want to tip - and then the checkout person flips it around to see how much. I make it a point never to return to such places, but if I am at one - I tip because I can't bare "that look". * People from other cultures who are unaccustomed to the bizarre tipping system in the US often do what they do in their native country because they don't know any better. This unfairly prejudices staff against them. I don't know if it has changed since - but I remember going to Paris - and the service was included - more wasn't expected, and I didn't have to do any math - I was ok with that. Why don't they do that in US (not just for parties of 5 or more)? Perhaps part of it is because our tipping system still allows you to punish for very bad service. But this is the exception and not the norm in my experience. I think in Japan no tips are expected, at least in restaurants. Now that's an enlightened tipping culture.

[@TheShyForeigner]

To add for Japan, IIRC, they may even view a tip as an insult rather than a gift for good service but I may be wrong on that, still, it's an interesting contrast.

[@jmaitland5709]

@@TheShyForeigner You are correct. Because tipping almost never happens, if you do tip it's viewed as you judging / grading their performance, which is something that is generally considered to be a private affair between employer and employee.

[@yoster39]

Tipping is an insult in japan, because you're saying "this is the pay you get if you always work this well" essentially calling them lazy most of the time except this one.

[@altprotestant8108]

America needs to end tipping culture.

[@hasyidanparamananda]

Before that america should pay salary.

[@bloxer9563]

@@hasyidanparamananda no

[@twentyrothmans7308]

It's crept into the UK and Australia too, unfortunately.

[@holyhelga]

Tipping is abnormal

[@hasyidanparamananda]

@@bloxer9563 what???

[@kirkphillips112]

I love how benignly specific that hypothetical repair story was 😅

[@sekkuar]

Only time I really felt like I wanted to tip someone was the guys that delivered my new sofa at the start of the year. The sofa wouldn't fit through the door so they removed the door to get it through and then put the door back in place. Meanwhile had a lot of deliveries who refused to even carry the box inside my apartment. (Later I found out the sofa can actually be disassembled to make it fit through doors hahaha)

[@clifclark838]

I been saying all this for years and this video need to go viral so people can finally wake up and blame the employer and not the customer who paid what the agreed amount on their bill

[@SaltCollecta]

100% agree. I hate tipping culture, it just causes uncertainty and awkwardness where most of the time you're already paying too much for an experience.

[@DellikkilleD]

nothing uncertain or awkard as long as you arent a piece of shit. 20% is standard, its not hard math ffs.

[@Skirakzalus]

This feels like a weird opposite version of NYC real estate. NYCRE: Pay the set price for the space advertised, get less. Tipping: Get the product or service as advertised, pay more.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

Or a similar version to the gaming industry.. "buy our game and pay for our loot boxes and pay to win items to get the full game"

[@davidh9638]

Or buy a car; then pay monthly to use what you bought.

[@47drift]

When I was fresh out of college, I went to get a massage for the first time at a parlor near me after only ever having them overseas. When I called to make the appointment, I asked how much it would cost and was told $50. I brought a $50 bill and nothing more. The massage was great, and after it was done I handed the masseuse the bill. On my way out the door, the owner of the place asked me, "Was the massage good?" to which I said, "Absolutely! Thank you so much, I feel great now." She then glared at me and said, "If the massage was good, why did you pay this?" I was flabbergasted and had no idea what she meant. "...Because you said over the phone that it cost $50?" She then just repeated herself twice over until I realized what she meant. "Are you... Asking for a tip? Oh, I'm really sorry but I had no idea I needed to tip. I only brought the $50. It really was good! I promise I'll make up for this next time." She just glared at me in silence as I left. I was so mortified that I never had a massage in America again. My back hurts, but at least my dignity doesn't.

[@kaiserpuppydog7174]

I only tip for a massage at Happy Endings Massage Parlor. It's downtown, next to the pawn shop.

[@jopeteus]

If I remember correctly, there have been studies about tipping and attractiveness. Attractive people get more tip for exactly the same work. That is unfair that you do the same work, but get paid less

[@ryanyoder7573]

Good example where a reference would be helpful.

[@jopeteus]

@@ryanyoder7573 Mythbusters also had an episode where they tested if women's breast size affected the tips given. Larger beasta equal bigger tips

[@thatonehumanoid7756]

Hot take, that’s not unfair. It’s rude but I’d rather be served by an attractive person.

[@chromacorvus9651]

@@thatonehumanoid7756 damn people should just exclude ugly people from the hospitality service then

[@thatonehumanoid7756]

@@chromacorvus9651 no? That being said, ugly people do have to work herder to give me the same level of satisfactory experience. Tall people are better distance runners than short people. Men are better weight lifters than women. Physically able people are better mountain climbers than quadruple amputees. The world is full of natural advantages. That’s just how it is. I have nothing against ugly people, I’d just rather look at a pretty person.

[@Macdunne]

Completely agree with your rant on tipping. Many years ago, I had worked at a service-oriented job where we were not allowed to accept tips for normal service. This is so that the customer never felt pressure to tip and we as employees made enough where we didn't need to get tips to make ends meet. That should be the culture that we should go back to.

[@DellikkilleD]

fuck that noise, no halfway decent server will accept that, try it and see how fast your dine in experiences turn to shit. most decent servers make 70k or more a year, no one going to provide that level of service at 15 an hour lmfao.

[@batlin]

A while ago I thought about setting up a restaurant where tipping is not accepted, so nobody is incentivised to put on a fake show of friendliness and servitude. Instead, people just pay the price they see on the menu and enjoy themselves. Only problem is I don't have a clue how to set up a restaurant...

[@Calvin_Coolage]

And employees will still take tips when no one's looking anyways. But I mean, even if you're trying to follow company policy, what are you gonna do when someone gets pushy about it? I did that one time and brought a 20 dollar tip to one of my managers because we weren't supposed to pocket it, and I'm almost positive they or someone else pocketed it. Like yeah the few times it would happen after that I'd keep it, but I always felt disgusted at the idea of getting it even when it's just a customer being nice to you. I can't imagine having to live off of tips.

[@tuanseattle]

thats fast food lol@@batlin

[@amostake]

What 'service oriented job' did you work that you made enough without tips to make ends meet? What employer is this?

[@fafalyarabinovich365]

Never tip, block all ads, corporations should kneel, all advertisement should be removed

[@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr]

not tipping doesnt hurt the corporations at all. it's designed that way. it only hurts their lowest paid employees. they still make bank while the poors blame each other.

[@chrismullin8304]

Steal from the store, then tip the employees really well!

[@TheChcam]

you are literally paying the employee, and the company doesn't have too Not tipping is making the company pay them m. Minimum wage, at least. People who tip are the reason it exists

[@3nertia]

@@ohiasdxfcghbljokasdjhnfvaw4ehr Ah, the joys of capitalism eh

[@mattkolberg2409]

@pyropulseIXXI You completely missed Louis's point!

[@djvoid1]

One of the things I'm proud of in my country is we have collectively decided to never tip (Australia).

[@Neopumper666]

We need more people like you and Japan

[@logisticsnerd9699]

Serving Aussies is the worst. You're all rude and you don't pay for your service. When an Aussie sits in my section, you go to the back of the line. Learn to follow customs in other countries that you visit, a-hole.

[@RogerAlan]

Your country had covid concentration camps so maybe you shouldn't show Australian pride in public

[@section8usmc53]

Pride is an odd feeling to have about it, but ok.

[@wasd____]

@@section8usmc53 I'm not sure why you'd think it's odd for someone to be proud that the place they live in decided to make businesses pay livable wages and have worker protections instead of trying to guilt extra subsidies out of customers to cover what should be a labor expense paid by the business as part of doing business.

[@jamezday]

When I came to the US we had people asking for tips in fast food places, we we're like what, we just paid for the food, this isn't fine dining 😂

[@TRC19999]

Not sure why I’m tipping someone 5 dollars to hold a cup to a machine, push a button for a drink to come out, and for them to give me the drink. Maybe they should ask their employer to pay them a decent wage.

[@ambiarock590]

It was so nice when I went to Europe this year that the price on the menu included taxes and the server's wage so an 18 Euro Schnitzel actually costs 18 Euros.

[@risunokairu]

They form a union and the union then supports terrorists.

[@liteknight]

So they don't spit in the drink and stir while you're not looking lol

[@backlogbuddies]

@liteknight Sounds like to me we need to get rid of waiters. I'd rather get my own food and drinks instead of being threatened

[@SgtJoeSmith]

considering they are already making $18 an hour if they need more they need to go be a roofer or dentist instead of a cup filler.

[@fyiicheckforspies]

I went to a new car wash yesterday that was almost fully automated. Drive up, pay, shift into neutral, get pulled through. After paying, they asked how much I wanted to tip with four button options. Who am I tipping? The guy sitting inside making sure I don't drive through equipment like a maniac? Absolutely unhinged!

[@ElJosher]

😂

[@zwerko]

You're tipping the machine to mind all its sensors... Nice car you have there, shame if something happened to it...

[@michaelwalsh3474]

Reminds me of the X-Files episode where Mulder didn't tip the robots at a sushi restaurant and they came after him 😂

[@wtbman]

@@michaelwalsh3474 One of the newer unloved seasons. I loved every episode. They're just predicting the dystopian future we are creating. It made you feel quite uncomfortable, didn't it?

[@donmorelock4054]

Agreed 100, hope more areas speak on this. Tipping has gotten crazy out of control to the point I no longer go out to eat like I use to, buy a coffee, or go on vacation, tipping gives me anxiety and takes away the fun in going out.

[@ab-tf5fl]

The thing about tipping that really grates me is that, even though, on the individual transaction level, leaving the tip leaves that particular employee better off, when everyone does it and employees expect it, it allows the employer to get away with paying their employees less, to the point where the employee isn't really making any more money than if no one left tips. So, in order to avoid screwing over one particular employee on one particular transaction, you're forced to support what is fundamentally a very rotten system.

[@RionGreenhouseKit]

Starting to actively avoid businesses that push tips. I don’t need a dose of guilt/shame for paying the advertised price.

[@fmo94jos8v3]

saaaammeee

[@desperadodave5970]

Stop feeling shame for a game they set up and rigged against you and the employee. There is no shame in knowing whats going on and not participating in it.

[@TheHillsHaveFPV]

some places added a 'tip amount' to the credit/debit machines. you have to press 0 before it lets you checkout. very annoying

[@DellikkilleD]

good, they dont want you if you cant afford your bill.

[@SwuuschifyMe]

@@DellikkilleD The thing is, they want more than the bill, because the employees know this way they will get more money. Its a scam. And the low IQ employees fall for it and think it is the customers fault instead of their own cowardice to demand accurate wages. Well, and greed from employees.

[@Xedrix]

This is also a plague in Canada however a few years ago, we got rid of the two-tier minimum wage system where people who worked in jobs that expected tips had a lower wage than others. Everyone now gets the same minimum wage. Yet getting ripped off at Starbucks isn't enough; they ask for a 20-30% tip on the machine.

[@TehPwnerer]

When did this happen and where?

[@chadpescod-realtor3308]

Even in taco bell now in ontario canada

[@lordrevan571]

@@TehPwnerer Ontario first, around 2015ish it went into full affect. We canned the $10-12 an hour minimum and raised to to $15 and cut lower end wage help, making it so everyone should be making $15. They don't, companies still offer lower and tips are still required to make even barely ends meet.

[@CD-sg7eh]

100% agree with this. Tips should be for people who go above and beyond or showed level of competence above normal.

[@DakotaJones-nn2oi]

Tipping is appropriate only when and if: 1) The service was exemplary 2) You have enough to spare 3) You're feeling generous You go to a resturaunt to eat, not to be hassled by beggars. Don't get paid enough, talk to your boss. Don't take it out on the customers or you won't have a business for very long.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

i agree

[@3nertia]

They can't afford to argue with their boss or they'll have to find another job, which in and of itself is a fucking full time job :/

[@MrPir84free]

@@3nertia Reality is that is what the employees should be doing: either get the manager / supervisor to pay more, or prove one's worth to show that they should be paid more because they are an asset to the business, or walk away, and go get a job where their pay is reflective of their skills. The bigger problem is those that think that they are entitled to a tip without putting forth the effort. It's not the customer's responsibility to pay a gratuity... If it's required, it's not a gratuity, but a fee; and all fees should be identified up front before the sale or service.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

The function of tips is actually pretty ingenious, in an insidious way. The purpose is to get the employees mad at the customers for their low wages, rather than mad at the company that's underpaying them. It's class warfare. As for myself, I simply don't go to restaurants that expect tips. I mostly cook for myself these days, and the occasional fast food.

[@gazehound]

"It's class warfare", spot on.

[@WilliamAshleyOnline]

The businesses can't afford to hire more people, if wages were higher the wait times for products would go up.

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@@WilliamAshleyOnline False. All you have to do is look at restaurants in Europe to know this is false.

[@illdeletethismusic]

european restaurants don"t have the same competition, unless it"s a rural restaurant, or some big immigrant family (either being low cost options), erery restaurant has high wage employees and therefore the resulting costs, they can"t undercut you on staff wages.

[@knection1986]

@@WilliamAshleyOnline If they can't pay their employees a livable wage and survive then they don't deserve to keep running.

[@dejandokic1984]

Went to lunch with my family yesterday and was told once they seated us that any party of 6 or more would be charged %18. That was over $50 for about 15 minutes of work... no wonder the place was empty.

[@section8usmc53]

Forced gratuity is insane. A lot of places hit you with it with no warning.

[@KittenBowl1]

I’m completely with you on this. One thing it’s really bothering me these days is some American corporations like Uber are trying to spread this nonsense tipping culture wing to other countries where we don’t have the tipping culture at all. Tipping here is actually frowned upon. Or charge 10% “service fee” at a restaurant. So disgusting. I really hate Uber Japan asking for tip on multiple screens where it’s absolutely frowned upon to tip someone here in Japan. Like if you tip in person at a restaurant waitress/waiters would run after you after leaving restaurant to give you back the tip you left as it’s really a taboo. There’s also this strict minimum wage here and they must pay employees properly by laws. Why the heck Uber thinks it’s ok to impose this default tipping culture of the U.S. even while Americans cringe?! And they do this via app of course it’s so slimy, it’s like data colonization only they think they can impose this disgusting tipping culture via app, since if you do this in person they would think you’re nuts here. I really hate Uber.

[@cafn8ed74]

This irks me too. My favorite example of "too far" was when I took the kids to the local jumbo stadium for an event. After waiting in line for 20 minutes to buy some 7 dollar bottles of water and 12 dollar cups of mini cookies, I was then expected to tip the attendant for putting the water and cookies on the counter and mindlessly pointing to the credit card scanner. In-freaking-sane!

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

my local cumture is that you tip someone when they make a good job and ask for a tip is only rude and that customer wont come back.. You can loose your job as well..

[@cafn8ed74]

@@lokelaufeyson9931 yeah, and don't get me started on bathroom attendants! 😂

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

@@cafn8ed74 i can pay a tip to a guy who help me in a bathroom if he hold the thingy for me while i do my thing in the toilet.. It can be fair to give a tip to someone do that service for you..

[@DellikkilleD]

if you cant afford to tip, you cant afford to eat out, keep your cheap ass at home where it belongs.

[@shieldgenerator7]

thats the most infuriating, when they ask for a tip but they hardly did anything

[@dearyvettetn4489]

I stopped going to a hair salon because my stylist, the owner of the salon and person who could dip her fingers in the till any time she wanted, was keeping my tips which I thought was going to to the person who shampooed my hair. She told on herself when on one visit she was the one who wash my hair and I left no tip and she actually pointed out that I didn’t. Later, I asked her employee if she ever received any of her tips. She hadn’t and I was done. American greed knows no bound.

[@bobbrown8661]

They call it "Capitalism".

[@eds7343]

@bobbrown8661 Thats crony Capitalism. Would you prefer socialism that leads to communism? Where they take everything you own?

[@AngeloPerez23983]

It’s tough out there bro.

[@fencserx9423]

“American greed” You think stealing tips is an American thing😂. Have you been to France? Thailand? Brazil?? **India?????** (nothing against India, but I saw some crazy greed sht in India) My God man, you need to live a little if you think that’s an American thing😂😂

[@fencserx9423]

@@bobbrown8661in capitalism they steal your tip. In communism they steal your food

[@dale117]

As someone who used to work a tipped job, I never understood the sense of entitlement some people have towards tips. I went into that job knowing that tipping was optional, and I was only ever grateful when someone actually did tip. Funny thing is, with that mentality, I was pulling in higher than the average of the pooled tips during the month that I kept track out of my own curiosity.

[@pabailon8799]

Cool story bruh 😎

[@RedRashBallz]

@@pabailon8799 Are you a bot?

[@davidallen5783]

Thank you! This has been my complaint about all these "delivery" companies you see people doing on Tik Tok and then they load the customers groceries or food back up and take it back to the store because the customer didn't tip. It's just asinine.

[@ptrinch]

Fun fact... if an employee does not receive enough tips to reach minimum wage, then the employer has to cover the difference. If everyone stopped tipping, the restaurants would have to end up paying for their own staff.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

At least in Kentucky, that would mean that the restaurant is required only to pay minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. Today, that means that the employer/restaurant etc is only required to pay themselves if the employee isn't taking home at least $7.25 per hour.

[@carpelunam]

minimum wage is low in most places you wont survive, therefore youll have no movers, coffee baristas, servers, bartenders, ect.

[@matthewjbauer1990]

@@carpelunam I just found out that California is thinking about raising minimum wage to $20 per hour. That would mean that the fast food industry, movers etc would go out of business because people aren't willing to pay high prices to cover that $20 per hour

[@fireice5406]

Fun fact… if an employee has to ask their employer to cover the difference, then they are about to get canned.

[@Zombiexm]

@@matthewjbauer1990 Strange how theses same american fast food companys can pay 18-20 starting in other countries with sick leave, collage and other benfits and their menu prices are barely any more costly then America. Quite Strange. That. Is. Just like the old argument if just made the reest of the world not set prices for meds then americans would pay less (not) lmao

[@picklerix6162]

I took my kids to a self-service frozen yogurt store. We each grabbed a bowl and created our favorite yogurt dessert with toppings. I was a little shocked that the cashier wanted a tip for doing nothing other than accepting payment.

[@DellikkilleD]

shocked that they expected you to uphold your end of the social contract? sheer fucking entitlement.

[@PrometheusMMIV]

Did the cashier actually ask? Or was it just part of the payment screen (which they don't control)

[@Xoulrath_]

What he said. Those screens just pop up with the tip options there.

[@uzlonewolf]

@@PrometheusMMIV That is wrong, they DO control the tip screen. They intentionally have it so they can either underpay their employees or pocket that money themselves.

[@marcogenovesi8570]

@@uzlonewolf "they" is the payment processor in most cases, not the employees. When you tip on a payment machine you are tipping the payment processing company not the people in the shop

[@luigimaster111]

I used to work for a hibachi place with really aggresive tipping culture. In fact, they started enforcing a mandatory gratuity of 16% over a certain party size, and that was only for the chefs the waiters had to be tipped seperately meaning a large party would have to pay around 30% over their bill to make all the employees not treat you like trash. This was on top of the already overinflated prices on the menu, it was very easy for a single person to pay $100 for their food and drink. And in the end, no one wanted to change a damn thing. Because some staff were making darn near triple their base pay and many were lied to about higher base pay being pointless due tp tax brackets. To work there, you had to accept the fact you would not receive time and a half for overtime, that you would not ve able to use your sick leave hours ever, that even at full time you would not receive any sort of medical benefits, all tge while the manager would shame you if you worked any less than six days outta the week. Not sure how I tolerated it for two years, I mean my position only had a 2% cut of chef tips so I was making jack for long hours.... Service industry is very toxic indeed.

[@thraknar3363]

I would prefer a mandatory x% gratuity, because then I know precisely what I am paying, and not a cent over. Do I like it? No. But at least the cost is baked in, and stated. But realistically, pricing is a major concern for where and when I treat myself out, so I will not return to a place that I think is unfair. 16% on top of a ridiculous menu is just not a place I would return.

[@dperreno]

With very few exceptions, I now default to 0% tip. Those exceptions are in-restaurant service and my cheapo haircuts. I would also tip on food delivery if I ever used it. And those exceptions are because I know how much the people are being paid and how my tip actually makes a difference to them. (e.g. helps them to earn what they should be earning). Everyone else gets zero.

[@jerrytealeaf]

Wait, isn't this what you're supposed to do? 👀😅

[@dperreno]

@@jerrytealeaf Yes! Thank you! Though I wish we didn't have to tip just so they workers could pay their rent, right?

[@MohawkJonIs1311]

I'm sick of tipping. This is something that needs to change.

[@lokelaufeyson9931]

mr bean did a nice one, he was checking in to a hotel and the guy was standing waiting for tips doing the "hrrrrmm" sound.. he got a throat tablet to help hes throat :)

[@healthylivingtoday1013]

@lokelaufeyson9931 Mr Bean is funny but he’s not supposed to be used as an example!

[@-.._.-_...-_.._-..__..._.-.-.-]

Change will only come when the tips dry out.

[@InternetUser._]

You can change it right now… just don’t tip 😂

[@OnlyTwoShoes]

Tips are supposed to be used to express gratitude for a service that exceeded the expectations for the task performed. Mandatory gratuity is a sham though.

[@peterjohnson9438]

The USA is all about hidden fees. In the USA, all prices are listed without tax. Larger items are advertised with MSRP, but then the retail store adds their own profit buffer and surcharges, and tax on top. When you buy food, paying the posted price can get you poisoned or otherwise sabotaged. This is insane. In my country in the EU, prices are posted with taxes and chargea included. You always pay listed price. If you leave money on a table for the waiter, they might try return it if the money is too large in comparison to what you paid for the food. They are paid enough by their place of employment to be able to pay rent, food and other necessities.

[@torstengang5521]

I am a fan of the prices being listed without tax... It keeps people aware of how much uncle Sam takes. The highest VAT in the USA is 10%, in Europe the average VAT is 21% You couldn't get away with that in the USA because people would riot about paying that rate

[@SioxerNikita]

@@torstengang5521Well, the thing is... you can put the taxes on the bill, which is done in most places, so you know how much that is taken. If you are a fan of the prices being listed without taxes, you really have a problem. You are accepting major inconveniences as VAT can depend on the product, the rebates, and tons of other shit, you will not necessarily know how much you'll pay until you get to the counter. It is also extraordinarily hostile to tourists, people from different states, and more. Businesses also LOVE not showing the price with VAT, because it makes a customer more likely to buy the product, because the price looks lower than it is... There is NO positive of the prices being listed without tax, non, nada, zip. Everyone and their mother in Denmark knows the VAT is 25%, or more specifically 20% of the listed price. On the receipt the paid VAT is listed as well, so if you want to know how much goes to the Government, you can see that. If you are a company, you don't buy with VAT, it is only taxed once, when it reaches the end consumer, except for used products, then the VAT is 25% of the value difference between what you purchased it for, and the price the new customer paid. Simple... You have TONS of hidden fees, weird taxes, etc... I frankly think a lot of Americans end up paying more taxes on their money due to all the services they have to pay for that is Government provided in other countries. You pay for health insurance... That has some tax rebates, etc... but let's continue The insurance company uses that money to pay their employees, etc. That gets taxed, what? 25% maybe? Just grabbing simple numbers... so now 25% of the 100% has been taxed. You also need to pay the Hospital Staff out of that money, when the Hospital gets their payout (No clue how much that is, so let us omit that), but they will have to pay company tax for the income (Says like 21%), so 21% of the remaining 75% is 15.75% so in total, now your money has been taxed 40.75%... then they have to also pay taxes on their equipment, etc... meaning that the money is taxed even more. (Obviously not counting for tax exempt hospitals) So in the end, at least 50% of your money when you get health insurance. Denmark is between 37% and 53% for income tax, based on your income. The US on average spends $12,914 per person on healthcare per year. Denmark spends an average of $7,375 per person on healthcare per year. And as far as I can see, this healthcare also includes more services than the American statistics. Instead of the money being taxed in several steps, since you don't have to go through the entire Insurance + Hospital, the money is just "pre-taxed" and we get the services without fear of financial ruin, if something is not properly covered by insurance or similar.

[@Julia-uh4li]

Small correction for the OP. There are states that use VAT. Alaska, Montana, Delaware, New Hampshire & Oregon. You only pay the advertised price and NO sales tax is added at check-out. So not all of the US has hidden taxes.

[@cu1tc1assic]

Tipping on delivery apps is on a whole other level. I’m already paying 2-3x the price just for delivery and they think the tip should be 2-3x more too. I click $2 tip every time and add a bigger tip if my food actually comes on time and not ice cold.

[@JCDenton3]

The base fare for your delivery is usually $2, up to $3 that the delivery person gets. I delivery usually takes 30min to go to the restaurant, wait, then get the food to you. If there isn't a tip up front, it is rarely worth the effort since fees eat up all the driver's money. It is a rotten model, but don't expect good delivery service on these apps unless you pay a decent tip otherwise your order just means working for the equivalent of $4/hr max (before gas and and other costs).

[@dudeIMaBEAR]

On top of all this there are people like me “potential customers” that purposefully avoid places that require a tip. Just so I don’t have to deal with this awkward tipping situation. I don’t want to feel like an ass hole for not tipping, but I also don’t want to spend more money on top of what I am already paying.

[@section8usmc53]

Exactly. I only go out to eat on certain occasions, and never get delivery. I always go pick it up myself.

[@Aphex51]

I'm a Scot who visited New York 11 years ago. I was shocked at how often you're expected to tip people. I used the bathroom at Planet Hollywood and some guy held the door open for me then asked for a tip. Where I'm from you do out of kindness not for money. I don't blame the guy. He looked like he was just trying to make a living, but it unusual for me.

[@konnorj6442]

I'm a scottish canuck and while raised here I believe the tipping system is a pathetic scam embraced by asshat owners trying to pass the buck (pardon the pun) onto the customers to pay the staff properly for the basics and all too often there is some lame ass scam going on from owners trying to keep all tips (I had one try that with me when I was much younger I told him to shove it) to the "collective tips" which get shared.. which defeats the purpose of an actual tip To other bs like stock boys getting a share they are NOT wait staff so again another scam I tip those that go above and beyond otherwise no

[@loganstroganoff1284]

Oh yeah the old school bathroom attendants are the worst. They have them at a lot of the french quarter Bars in New orleans and very often they're local thugs that try to intimidate ppl into tipping them for "services" they dont need or want like opening the door, handing you a towel, spraying some shit smelling cologne on you without asking, etc.

[@anotherrambler2121]

Louis, it is an honor to have you ACTIVELY giving out all types of advices about virtually anything that might make us better and stronger. You are a Masterpiece of a person, keep fighting the good fight.

[@trikstari7687]

The more important thing is to never give tips at all. Instead, you give them a non-taxable gift. Because tips should not be considered income, because they are neither reliable, predictable, or regular. They are in fact a gift, a "thank you" for good service in some way.

[@wildjiggaboo1]

Here in California, you cannot subsidize wages with tips, meaning jobs that typically feel entitled to tips make no less than the minimum wage before tips here (which is quite high now). Despite this fact, they still expect tips from you like the rest of the country. You perfectly illustrated the problem with tipping culture in how it's so arbitrary which service sector jobs are deserving of tips, and the problem simply won't go away by paying employees more money due to how indoctrinated they are about tipping.

[@genxx2724]

I think tipping in California needs to end. We are paying those high wages through higher prices for the food.

[@Robert-vk7je]

You could hang a sign at the entrance: No tips, please! We pay our staff fairly.

[@genxx2724]

@@Robert-vk7je They could also print the policy on the menus and remove the line for entering tips from the credit card slips.

[@suarezguy]

It's a bit arbitrary but I think not very, it's for when the product/service is a bit of a luxury, the quality of service makes a difference and when it can practically be done fast enough to not slow the next delivery.

[@eatsh1t]

I saw a meme about a guy giving out Halloween candy to kids. Just as the kid takes it, he pulls out the tip screen with 20% - 25% - 28% and no tip as options lol But for real, tipping culture is insane. For doordash, why do I have to tip BEFORE I get the order? It’s more like a BRIBE.

[@Quadrupliplex]

Exactly. It feels kind of like if you don't tip them enough or they don't think it's enough they'll sabotage your food or something. That is the reason I no longer use food delivery services at all anymore.

[@robwigglezz944]

You're pretty much paying for the "no spit" option on your food.

[@verios44]

Exactly! And Doordash made a update shaming you if you dont PRE TIP.

[@Quadrupliplex]

@@verios44 wow! That's nuts. Really glad I don't use them now.

[@eatsh1t]

@@Quadrupliplex same here, I sparingly use it. If I do use food delivery it’s only uber eats but that’s like once every 2-3 weeks compared to 3x a week during the pandemic

[@boastyy]

I was shocked at that Gordon Ramsay episode where a customer wanted to tip a waitress and the waitress told Gordon that the owner kept all the tips and she did not get anything. Gordon went nuts with the owner and told the customers what he was doing.

[@neuropilot7310]

Someone I know owns restaurants (but doesn't work at them, he's a surgeon) and it's a meme that they know it's him because he always tips the server generously (unless there is a major screwup which is rare) and they are paid well. The reason is that he'd be an ass if he didn't tip at his own restaurant. Nobody who actually knows him, would claim to "know the owner" to get a free meal btw. Similarly, he would probably fire a manager who took tips (or share of) on the spot, as they get paid salary.

[@ambiarock590]

Maybe Gordon should come around to US restaraunts and fast food places cuz that's exactly whats happened all the time here. The servers are expected to ask for tips, then more often than not the shop keeps the tips. Its scummy

[@tauntdragoon]

Taking the tips of a tripped worker as a employer is against the law as far as I know and it's also a douchebag move

[@backlogbuddies]

This is not uncommon. Places that do this will also punish the staff for not bringing them enough tips

[@foremanhaste5464]

In the USA that is called wage theft and the owner will do time in a federal prison. Never seen the episode, but yeah, he absolutely should have ripped the owner a new one.

[@Sillysillylittleman]

Australian here and i can tell you tipping would be one thing that would make my trip less enjoyable when i finally come to America. I just want to pay the price as stated like over here.

[@jluke168]

I remember going to Berlin, and me and the missus had a cocktail each at this nice bar/restaurant. When we were leaving the waitress compalined we hadn't tipped. I was genuinely confused, who would tip for one drink and a ten minute sit down? I quickly thought of something she wouldn't want to do, and I said you give me a hug and I'll give you a tip. Turned out she wanted to hug me as much as I wanted to tip her. Even at that point, she didn't get it, you get tipped when the customer wants to end of you, entitled muppet.

[@thewhitefalcon8539]

Tipping isn't normal in Berlin.

[@Nikerym]

​@@thewhitefalcon8539It is now, more and more

[@Kle_X]

​@@thewhitefalcon8539Berlin has lots of wait stuff that isn't from europe. Might have been an american that's new.

[@logicalfundy]

What really bugs me is when somebody does an absolutely terrible job, and I still get pressured from folks to tip.

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

Honestly fast food workers often deserve less because of how frequently they fuck up your orders. If tips happen they should only be allowed to ask for them AFTER the service has been provided.

[@cadedeshields2343]

@@user-lh7mt7zo7l A. what fast food place makes tips? B. how about you make your own meal so it doesn’t get messed up as much?

[@user-lh7mt7zo7l]

@@cadedeshields2343 A) It's mainly expected in America but I think some apps have tips on by default too. B) I do most of the time it's just that on the occasions I actually order take out they fuck it up more than they should even when it's read back to me to confirm the order. I assume some of the problem is a language barrier so if you find a place that doesn't fuck up your order at all that's probably because they speak understandable English

[@ALC570]

It’s funny how when I made minimum wage at a grocery store nobody felt obligated to tip me, despite the fact I wasn’t being paid enough to enjoy a meal out occasionally (where they’d expect 20% over for doing their job). It’s wrong businesses could pay their employees that way, but that doesn’t make it the consumers’ problem. Service staffs’ anger at poor tipping is entirely misplaced. Edit: If you feel the urge to make a retail employee’s day, offer to buy them a drink or candy by the register, you don’t even know how much that $2 gesture will be appreciated.

[@candylove49]

Agreed! When I worked at a grocery store I made $7.35 per hour. No one felt this bleeding heart obligation to tip me even though I was injured at the time and truly struggling. I also never requested or demanded it either.

[@fatespiker]

Yes i was the grocery worker who ran out to return a tip someone left cause it was so alien. Problem is dont build the expectation of tipping. This is a late stage capitalism problem allowing asshole businesses to abuse their people and set them against each other. Fight for the unions fight for the employee owned coops. Then we might kill tipping culture for good.@@candylove49

[@MegaLokopo]

No one tips me either, and its my job to make sure fire alarms are installed correctly in commercial buildings.

[@SegaDisneyUniverse]

As a grocery store worker, I wish I received tips for all the bs I have to go through!

[@homerthompson416]

If you live in a shithole state like Texas they have a special minimum wage ($2.13 an hour) for people who get tips. It's sadistic.

[@pooolish334]

Exactly! Tipping is only when you go above and beyond! But they expect a tip for doing their job at restaurants. My father owns a small business (literally me and my father, a rim repair business) and people in order to "save" money they go and pay for much lower quality job that makes half of the job and then they come here and want to do the other half later because their car still vibrates (rims are bent). Now I have to go beyond trying *not* to break the other low quality job so that they can save $60 extra dollars if it does break. And I can tell you, I have great skill in *not* breaking them that I acquired with experience during all these years. But nobody came out of their way to tell me. "Thank you for spending more time and effort trying not to break that low quality job that I sent to do in order for me to save $60, here is a $20 for your extra effort, thank you"

[@dchevron77]

I really like your "above and beyond" idea. I have no problem tipping a waiter that made my dining experience truly unforgettable (e.g. i went out for an anniversary date one night at an upscale sushi place and the waiter gave us free drinks and desert as a congratulations) but not just for pouring a beer or checking out at serve your own yogurt place

[@LoudMouth_]

The wildest thing i saw in response to your first video was a couple restaurant owners/chefs saying if they had to pay a full wage and put their prices up, an entrée which was "$20" would now be "$50" and the customer would have a terrible experience. Even though tipping tends to be around 20%-30% of the bill, they'll "need" to put their prices up 150%. They know it's bullshit.

[@stefan0ro]

Yeah it absolutely is insane what lengths they are willing to go to justify this predatory practice. I say let them do that, nobody will go there, and they soon go bust.

[@Laugh1ngboy]

Taxes are based upon wages and profits. The restaurateur has to pay their taxes based upon estimated earnings and costs up front. So yeah if you ever ran a place where you could remove 30% of you tax liability by making your employees work for tips then you would do it too. You should look into how you end up with a tax return check every year.

[@rossmanngroup]

They're shitty business owners

[@catnvol]

They know it is BS but they are counting on you being too stupid to know it. Tipping has gotten completely out of hand. I ran a service related business for many years. I didn't expect my employees to get tipped a penny. I paid a reasonable wage, hired good employees, and priced our services accordingly.

[@thehorsefromGOTs8]

I worked a tip based delivery job and the bosses and regional bosses would actually talk shit about customers who were bad tippers, literally pushing the blame the customer mentality, it's 100% intentional

[@DellikkilleD]

if you dont tip, you are, in fact a shitty person. this isnt debateable. if you cant afford it, dont order delivery. I have flat out refused serviceto non tippers, loudly shaming them right out the door.

[@Gerardus1970]

I fully agree. Tipping is not the norm in Australia but I have felt pressured to tip on the odd occasion. The last time I was asked for a tip I responded with "Be good to your mother". With Halloween crap being forced upon us (also not a norm in Australia) I don't want the expectation of tipping to proliferate.

[@stinkymart3173]

LMAO I like your "tip" response. "Treat wood surfaces with teak oil" "Always keep toilet paper in your car" "brewing ginger beer is cheap and easy" 😂

[@Isnogood12]

There's a joke about professional work around where I live. A man calls a plumber for a faulty washing machine. Plumber comes in, looks at the washing machine, tightens one bolt, and gives him a check of 50,50€. The man asks "Why are you asking me for 50€ for tightening one bolt" The plumber says: "Tightening the bolt was .50€. Knowing which bolt to tighten was the rest" This teaches us that even if you open a phone up and straighten a pin without asking money for it, that's on you. Your work, your expertise, has value, and it's fine to expect that.

[@qwqk0xkx]

Damn, I should be getting paid more to walk into a room and turn on a TV when it "isn't working"

[@Isnogood12]

@@qwqk0xkx You're not wrong. If people can't swap from HDMI 1 to HDMI 2, they are no better than the South Park folks who call a handyman to fix an oven door.

[@PasteteDoeniel]

As a European I 100% agree with you. Additionally I think asking for a tip is incredibly impolite. It’s just one of the things you don’t ask for.

[@michaelcorcoran8768]

Yeah although I don't blame the workers here A lot of them are making like $2 an hour literally. This is the business community using it as an excuse to offer poverty wages.

[@TheLaymanCollector]

They don't openly ask for it, it's kind of expected in this bizarre passive agressive interaction. So if someone delivers something to you they don't hold their hand out and say "tip". But they kind of pause and look at you for like half a second almost in anticipation... and if you don't comply they might give a dirty look of shake their head as they get back into their car. The ruder ones may mumble something under their breath. The really bad ones might actually sabotage or defile your product if they have to deliver to you again at a later time.

[@jjk2one]

The hair salon I go to will only take cash as a tip. The owner is from Britain. I wonder how he gets away with it.

[@Xehlwan]

​@@michaelcorcoran8768If the worker gets angry at the customer when not receiving tips, you should definitely blame the worker. Just because you have a legitimate problem with your work, doesn't make it OK to take that out on customers. You can ask for sympathy, but you can't demand it.

[@brahtrumpwonbigly7309]

@@michaelcorcoran8768 No, they literally aren't. All make minimum wage if they don't make enough in tips, but they literally all make more than that in tips. They ask because shaming people into it makes them more money apparently.

[@marxmaiale9981]

Well said: Tips are for Above and Beyond, Not doing the bare minimum. There are servers who make large incomes because they are excellent at this. On the other hand, some people have an expectation of huge tips just for being present.

[@foremanhaste5464]

I met one such waitress. I stopped in a diner for breakfast after the overnight shift and was having a mother of a bad day. Waitress cheered me up so I left a $20 tip on a sub-$19 bill. She was very thankful and I told her "It is still cheaper than therapy." She laughs and explains she is going to college majoring in psychology. "You are going to do very well my dear."

[@gazehound]

This misses the point. "People" (i.e. the workers) don't have an expectation of huge tips just for being present. The EMPLOYER expects huge tips, because tips subsidize underpaying the workers. "Tipped wages" in the U.S. mean employers can pay well under minimum wage if employees receive tips, and therefore employees can't afford their rent or car payments if nobody tips. The boss is to blame, not the employee trying to make a living.

[@loganstroganoff1284]

​​@@gazehoundI agree tipping has gotten out of hand but don't ever tell a good server you want to take away their tips for a "livable wage". No restaurant on earth can afford to pay wages equivalent to what a good server can make with tips. When I was a server I could make 60 to 70 bucks an hour on busy shifts and even slow ones I was making at least 30 minimum.

[@Moneynis]

Don’t tip. They only deserve it if they perform service beyond basic. I’ve stopped tipping 8 years ago and it was the best thing to ever happened, it gave me more control of my life.

[@RickMyBalls]

Had to scroll too far to find someone with a spine.

[@coolgarrett17]

Basic service deserves an 18% tip at a sit down restaurant

[@RickMyBalls]

lol no @@coolgarrett17

[@fatusopp4739]

@@coolgarrett17 depends on the sit down restaurant. if im at a place where im paying 15 bucks for a mid burger, getting a single refill of water, and checking out on some greasy tablet, im giving 10%.

[@cadrollhunting3564]

@@coolgarrett17 For what reason and why is it by percentage? a 200$ steak requires almost the same service as a 10$ diner meal, it makes no sense to not tip the same in those situations. My personal tip rule for table service is a flat 3$ tip no matter the bill with an upgrade to $5 if the service was great. Never tip for over the counter or pick-up.

[@Nyaliva]

The way I see it (while living in Australia): if your service was so good that what I paid feels insufficient, I'll tip. If you do your job, even if it's in your job description to do more than should be expected of you, I assume you're being compensated fairly for doing that job. And I felt that way even when I was on the other side, I was a bartender and waiter, it was a tough gig, and I always tried to go above and beyond. I never once felt entitled to a tip, and part of the reason is that I was fairly compensated. Going above and beyond was my choice, and it almost never got me anything more, but I didn't need anymore just to afford rent. You know what breeds entitlement? Telling someone if they work hard enough, they'll get a tip, then make their livelihood dependant on that tip, then have 1 in 10 people just not give one.

[@meppers]

I will NEVER EVER tip if the tip is asked before the service is provided, no exceptions.

[@DellikkilleD]

I hope you enjoy lots of strange objects in your food fuckstain.

[@jasonschmeckpeper4479]

I agree. Why do they ask for tips at taco bell, or buying a movie ticket at the movie theater.

[@TheCommonSenseForRegularPeople]

@@jasonschmeckpeper4479 I got asked for a tip in starbucks drive-thru.

[@RickMyBalls]

i weill never tip full stop

[@DellikkilleD]

@@RickMyBalls hope you enjoy shit n piss in yiur food😂❤😂

[@NuSpirit_]

Why is it that in Europe the price on the menu includes EVERYTHING - every possible tax, local fee, everything and you know it before paying? And the tips are a special gratitude if you are very satisfied, not mandatory expense. It's crazy to me that when you eat out you may pay even 50% more than what is written on the menu in USA.

[@starstruckp4808]

I work as a dog bather where I’m adequately paid with my wage, and we even have a sign that said “tipping is not necessary, but is still appreciated.” I never expected to be tipped, I’m just happy to have a job that has a certain level of respect to pay me properly. Regardless, in that chance that they do, I’m genuinely shocked while thanking them.

[@furiogiunta7886]

I'm a lifetime restaurant worker, I have worked every position and have been managing on salary for the past 20 years or so. When I was a tipped employee (busser/waiter/bartender) I always felt I needed to give the customer that little extra effort than he/she expected to get the tip I wanted. Nowadays, I see employees of mine feel they can give the basic minimal in service and still feel entitled to that 20% tip. Anything less and the customer is a jerk. It makes me feel that tipped employees should be put on a non-tipped pay scale. The crux of the matter is that most restaurant's are barely scrapping by and the difference in labor money they would be needed to pay the workers would put many restaurants out of business. Living in the NY area, I can attest that the restaurant business is highly saturated and maybe the volume of restaurants needs to be thinned out. It would certainly improve the quality of the food and service we pay for.

[@wasd____]

"The crux of the matter is that most restaurant's are barely scrapping by and the difference in labor money they would be needed to pay the workers would put many restaurants out of business." Then, yeah, as you said, the market is too saturated. Make them pay their service workers a fair living wage without relying on tips to cover the cost and let the ones who can't go out of business. Businesses shouldn't exist if their business model is so bad they can't pay their own employees without relying on guilt-tripping an extra subsidy out of their customers.

[@notubist]

Exactly, quality has been falling, expected tipping rates have been going up. I don't bother going to sit down restaurants and plainly click no on those tablet machines and don't buy from places that use them and only ring me up. I don't get tipped for studying in college earning 0 wage for a field that keeps the modern world going just so some disinterested cashier can turn around a screen with 15% 20% and 30% options.

[@section8usmc53]

I'm not poking fun of you at all, but your "extra effort" comment just reminded me of the movie "Waiting" with Ryan Reynolds. "The difference between ordinary, and extraordinary, is that little extra." 🤏🏼 😄

[@furiogiunta7886]

@@section8usmc53 LOL that is the official movie of any full-time server. I used to go though same BS when I was a waiter, everything except the pee pee showing game, a guy would get fired real quick if he played that game at work.

[@dapperdanbuilds]

The problem today is that tipping is expected. Tipping is, exactly as Louis said, for service above and beyond expectations! If you give standard, or substandard service, you get your base pay! Louis hots the nail on the head again!

[@flyingbadger1759]

I'm also annoyed with the percentage deal. Me ordering a $25 plate over a $12 plate doesn't require any more work from the waiter. Or if I order water with 5 refills over 1 beer, one results in 0 tip other $1 tip. There's been times where I barely see my assigned server because they're shit at their job and the manager takes over. You ain't getting me to tip then, you get what you earn.

[@felinespirits]

Saw an interaction online the other day between a customer and some drivers (UE/DD/Gh). Customer couldn't understand why the driver was mad about a 20% tip. Drivers were kind of indignant saying the customer wasn't supposed to tip on the size of the order but on the length of the trip for the driver! WTF?!? Drivers need some arbitrary $ figure per mile to be satisfied. How the hell is someone supposed to know that? Or know exactly how far the PizzaHut is from their house? Sheesh, never have and never will use any of those delivery services.

[@mbirth]

Imagine a fancy restaurant, you've ordered a bottle of wine for $100 ... why would any sane person expect a 20%/$20 tip just for the waiter bringing that bottle to your table? Yet that's exactly what will happen. And if you only tip 10%, it will appear as if you got horrible "service" and you'll be considered a stingy bastard.

[@fatusopp4739]

@@felinespirits yeah, there is nothing good that comes from those delivery sites, i just never order from them. expensive bs extra app fees, drivers expecting me to tip more than i paid for the meal, the food never being on time and its quality being noticeably worse. it's ridiculous.

[@gangsta8929]

A server will put a customer on last for under tipping. “Was there something wrong with the service?” But won’t point that energy towards the person that’s supposed to be paying them.

[@midknight9715]

Whenever i go out to eat by myself i usually go to fast food places or places where a can get food to go so I don't have to deal with tipping. Now I've noticed that places like Subway and Pizza hut have started asking for tips for the people that work behind the counter too, and it makes me legitimately angry.

[@electricmiragemedia]

I went to a festival last week. A 16 oz bottle of water was 5.20. And of course, they asked for tips. A few months back, our pet sitter quit because she felt I didn't tip her enough. I couldn't understand why she would offer her services at a lower rate than she would accept in the hope she would be tipped excessively to make up for it.

[@MSpotatoes]

I'm considering offering guitar lessons. I hadn't even considered expecting tips as I would already be charging an appropriate amount for the service provided. Tipping is definitely out of control.

[@loganstroganoff1284]

The problem with festivals is the organizers not the employees/volunteers. I say this bc I did vending at a local musical festival for a couple years. Our beer tent was run by a local liquor business that had a liquor license already. They got some amount from the festival to run the tent under their license so the festival didn't have to get a license or bear the liability of any underage sales, overserving of patrons,etc. In turn this liquor store hired temp volunteers like myself to work the tents for tips only. It's just one big ripoff scam like everything in festivals.

[@TheRealPureBlood]

I buy 40 half-litre bottles of water (just over 16oz each) for £4.19.

[@kimchristensen2175]

Yup... It's absolutely ridiculous for someone who is self employed to demand a tip! Set your fees to what you want.

[@EJGarner]

I largely stopped patronizing restaurants during Covid lockdowns and I'm disappointed whenever I do patronize restaurants, now, more often than not. Service quality has dropped so much in recent times I'd rather hang onto my money and cook at home out of spite. That's my pro-"tip" for today.

[@Zidbits]

That's another time where you should tip someone; Pizza delivery drivers who clearly exceeded the speed limit to get you your food. Pizza hut says it will be there in 45mins to an hour and your pizza shows up in 25 minutes? Tip the freaking pizza guys you cheapskates.

[@EmeraldAshesAudio]

It's so stressful when you don't know what is a tipping situation. I was raised to tip in restaurants as second nature, but it didn't even occur to me with some other services.

[@lieutenanteclipse9975]

Here’s a tip (pun intended) You only tip when you feel like it. It’s 100% voluntary.

[@briand5083]

This guy is spot on. In my state, there is no server wage, they are entitled to the same minimums as everyone else. I don't tip in 95% of my transactions. As this guy said, it has to be above and beyond. If someone brings me a drink, takes my order, brings it to me, refills my drink then brings the bill, that's the service they are getting paid to do. I'm not tipping for that.

[@LaughingOrange]

As a Norwegian, I never tip at home, because we expect employers to pay staff a liveable wage. Also tax is included in the menu price. I expected outstanding service before I start tipping. At one point I tipped a cleaner because my group made a huge mess, spilling many drinks, and the cleaner was on top of it every time. That man provided us value worth a couple of bucks extra. It was busy, so he could have been 5 minutes slower each time, and we wouldn't complain.

[@torstengang5521]

Agreed.. I think it should be for above and beyond service... Sadly, not how it works in the USA.

[@SgtJoeSmith]

so you dont know and dont care what you are paying in taxes? What if the government raised the sales tax to send to Ukraine? Half your meal price might be taxes but you blame the restaurant for gouging. Does your pay stub show how much of your pay goes to health care, retirement, taxes, etc? would you rather just get handed a check with no record of how that dollar amount was determined?

[@panda4247]

@@SgtJoeSmith but it is written on the receipt / bill / invoice (whatever method of payment you use).. The price in the store, or in the restaurant menu, etc, is advertised as for example, 10€, and on the bill you'll see that it's some 8,33 for the thing itself + 1,66 tax (or whatever, depending on the actual country and their tax system)... But the price that is advertised is the final price... If our governments raised the taxes, we would notice (also, it is on the news, papers, internet,..long upfront that there will be a tax raise) if the US government raised taxes suddenly, and you had only $10 on you and went to buy some small fast food with advertised price $7 (which you know you always paid for example $9 with the tax included...), you'd eat it and then gou got the bill saying you have to pay $11, what would you do when you don't have the money? What I'm saying is that we know exactly how much of the money I paid is the tax, but I don't need to calculate that in my head everytime I want to buy something

[@Anonymous-zu7dh]

@@panda4247 same here in Sweden. The only fee that is not included in advertised sales price is bottle and can deposits. Pretty annoying imo, why not just include that too. Even if it is only 2 sek for a 2L bottle and 1 sek for a bottle or can otherwise. Yeah sure it is returned to your if you bring them empty back, but still.

[@panda4247]

@pyropulseIXXI so, first of all, I am by no means promoting being stupid (if you knew me, you'd know that it's the opposite actually), but having to do calculate percentages like 6.625% of some number (especially when the numbers apparently change per state and per item-category, so if you are travelling between states, you have no idea) seems like a bad idea to me. Or do you not have people who both a) have low amount of money to spend and then need to check whether they'll have enough money for the items they want b) can't calculate that quickly? (like... if I go to the store and I want a bag of chips and I have only 2€, I know exactly which one can I afford and which one I can't afford... If you like those that cost 1.89 more than those that cost 1.69, but you are not sure whether you can afford those... because 1.89 + some percentage is what?)

[@Average_Internet_User101]

As a European, I occasionally hear about this, and every time it astonishes me, it's genuinely hilarious seing a country that dominates in every other industry completely fumble it all when expected to realistically establish Fixed wages for their workers!

[@3nertia]

This is just The Great Capitalist Experiment but colonialism and thus capitalism started with rich white British dudes ;)

[@nootanwait2358]

God Europeans and their superiority complex is absolutely exhausting. Guaranteed to see at least one in every culture video.

[@eugenekrabs141]

we arent dominating everything else dude

[@Average_Internet_User101]

@@eugenekrabs141 I mean you are currently dominating the ability to take every word uttered in a literal sense! I can only imagine what you would reply if my 1st language actually was English It should be obvious when I say "Dominates in every other industry", I'm saying that in a general sense, as in, it tends to be the case that if there's a industry or a market that America as a country tends to have a pretty large impact and/or dominance in set Industry/market! For Example: it is often the case that when there's a individual competing against other competitors, if the specific person in question wins a majority of those competitions, people will refer to him as "The Winner", Not because he (Literally only wins and never loses), but because in a general sense he has a tendency to win!

[@eugenekrabs141]

@@Average_Internet_User101 since english is not your first language "dominates" is a very, VERY strong term, so english speakers generally take it as such. And no reason to be hostile to some random 16 year old who replied to you, how is it even possible to write 3 paragraphs and a sentence about this? how long did that even take? i dont know weather to be impressed you could write that much over something so small or sad that you had enough spare time to consider writing 3 paragraphs about someone not getting sarcasm was a good use of time. Although in the second case i have no real right to complain as i have written more than that for lesser cases. Either way all you had to say was "i didn't mean it literally" and i wouldn't have wasted my time writing this entire thing to you and you wouldn't have wasted your time writing all that to me in a language your not proficient in.

[@DEVUNK88]

my small family business/ farm sells our maple syrup and Honey at our farm store and people tip us without being asked we never ask for tips. I would never but I've noticed more recently this past year people will pay and tell you to keep the change. essentially a tip. If a customer likes you and supports you they may tip you out of generosity and support. We are not doing anything to deserve a tip. As to say we just offer customer service with a smile and make an effort to connect with people in a genuine manner, not a slimy grimy salesman type of vibe. and people tip I generally only tip a waiter or waitress, bartender or other that which is traditional to tip. I dont tip anyone else unless they go out of their way to help me. Like my tech at the local tire repair. I had an emergency and took them a flat tire. they were open after usual hours that day for some reason and they stayed even later to fix my tire and took some time to really make it good I paid them and tipped the mechanic a twenty, thats all I had left in cash. But he really made my day You tip people that show they care or do you good everyone else doesnt deserve a tip for just being normal and doing the bare minimum

[@HanCurunyr]

Back in april, I went to a bar with some friends, that bar bills individually, doesnt matter if there are couples on the table, each person gets its own tab, and at the end of the evening, one of my friends was paying for her tab and her husband's tab as well, but tipped only once (the tab comes pre applied with a 13% tip) as she saw unfair to tip twice if she was paying for both of them. The waiter went mad, said she as being a hag, a low baller, "EVERYONE TIPPED, WHY CANT U? YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR SERVICE, LADY?" she stood firm and didnt tipped, that was a kinda fucked up way to end the night, and I dont blame her, tbh, never saw a waiter lose his shit like that because of a tip, we were in 20 people, one tip will really affect him that much?

[@trueblueclue]

Did she tip for both her and her husband's combined tab?

[@gloriousapplebees]

​@@truebluecluethere was already 13% applied to each check. I say when they add any gratuity themselves I never add a penny more.

[@Inthecity1939]

Spoiled entitlement

[@swedishhousemfia]

@@Inthecity1939and rude. Next time I go to a restaurant and they don't provide exceptional service, and they don't do anything but bring us plates (especially when it is multiple waiters), I am not tipping at all. Sorry, but you're doing your job and nothing more, and that isn't worthy of a tip. If someone goes above and beyond (refills drinks/ is friendly and doesn't look like he/she wants to go home/ is always checking on the tables/ cleaning up) then I'll tip that one person directly.

[@Saturn2888]

I spent years trying to convince people of this argument and people kept getting mad at me assuming I didn't tip. "I used to work at a restaurant, and you need tips" etc etc. They didn't understand the argument because they had this bomb in their brain ready to explode as soon as I questioned their religion.

[@khajiit8221]

"THE PRICE YOU SEE IS THE PRICE YOU PAY!" - best way to get customers in anywhere, no hidden costs, tips or otherwise :)

[@briancampbell179]

That's basically how it is in Australia. There's not even a "plus tax" for ordinary retail. In fact, advertising a price and adding GST (Goods and Services Tax) on top of the advertised price is illegal. Advertised prices must include tax. This has led to a culture of expecting to pay exactly the advertised price. We do tip for exceptional customer service but no offence is taken if there is no tip. So, a $5 cup of coffee will cost you $5 and all the person bringing it to you will expect is a "thank you".

[@ekillops22]

Some restaurants here do include a built-in 20% fee instead of tipping (and explain this in their menus), but the issue with that is that it makes their prices seem uncompetitive with the restaurants who do not adopt this model. But it is a better model overall and I wish more restaurants would do the same. It is a step in the right direction at least

[@_Ekaros]

​@@briancampbell179 Same in Finland. Only time I can remember not paying what was on sticker was buying a car... And then they added some "delivery" fee... But they didn't ask extra when I got it delivered to city I was working in for 160km... Oh and buying vacations do have extras... If you want food or luggage... So not everything is bs free...

[@ambiarock590]

The USA needs to ditch tipping and needs to make prices include tax. Tax is an expense thus it needs to be included in prices. If taxes are not included in the price than the listed price is not the actual price.

[@Gaspard129]

Hard pass on included sales tax. Seeing the sales tax on every transaction is a constant reminder of how much the government squeezes from you. Including it in the price makes it out-of-sight-out-of-mind. You should always know how much those leeches steal from you, especially when it comes times to vote yes/no for an increase to the sales tax

[@maniesh]

I think about this when customers offer us tips. It's tempting, but I try to refuse it. Tipping us not the norm where I live. I fear that if it becomes normalised here, employers will use it as an excuse to pay lower salaries. It's already happening at some restaurants and hotels here. It sucks because the labor laws here are worse than in USA, and it could have worse implications.

[@murfnturf23]

Here is where?

[@adrianghandtchi1562]

Well, I don’t really take it. I usually Saufley refuse before I take it, I give the guest an option that they don’t have to if they don’t want to.

[@kailenpiardi2721]

A scenario that comes to mind is my ups driver goes above and beyond on nearly every stop he completes i see him safe and giving customers more than what they pay for taping boxes helping with damages, and giving good service all day. Depends on the person.