A Rejoinder to Internet Randos on the Jews, NatCon4, and a Couple of Hindus | Blog and Mablog

Over the last few weeks, a few different things have happened that have set off various comment threads, in which Internet Randos have arisen to take me to task for continuing to be a boomer about the Jews. Along with some other stuff. As this is clearly an outrage not to be borne, I thought I would I say a few things about all of that here.

[@Utjb27]

As a Christian from a Jewish family (my last name is Bernstein): I can say with no hate in my heart that to be a modern day Jew means you reject Jesus and therefore it’s not a good thing the fact that Jews are so prevalent in positions of power and influence in society. That is not because of envy or hate, that is just a fact - as Christians we should want Christians, who have the Holy Spirit within them, to be in positions of power and influence in society. Does Doug Wilson call call me an “anti-semite” for saying that?

[@ezemdianosike5277]

What you just said makes perfect sense and THEREFORE you must be an antisemite (according to Dawg)

[@squidward3333]

Redeemed Zoomer has a great video about this same thing! Props to you for being a true convert to Christianity.

[@vejoshiraptor]

Well said and may God be praised for your faith. Nothing makes me happier than to see a Christian from a Jewish family like yourself, and honestly in my experience the same is true for most Christians! We love Jews, especially Christian Jews, so our criticism is clearly not a racial antisemitic thing. I can’t fathom why Doug oversimplifies all criticism to just dismiss it as “jealously,” that is such a minimization. If Jews really were just “better, smarter, etc.” then everyone else and that’s the only reason they’re over represented in power, then why don’t we ever see Christian Jews like yourself overrepresented? I guess by Doug’s reasoning, only the stupid Jews become Christians? If only we Christians could be as smart as the Christ-hating Jews whose minds are shrouded in darkness, maybe then we could be more successful! Doug’s approach here is absurd.

[@polumathes9729]

To be a modern day Jew means no such thing. You are a living example of this. You are a Jew who loves CHRIST. I am a Jew who loves CHRIST. We are not former Jews or from Jewish families. We are Jews, Christian Jews, as Jewish and a Christian Scot is Scottish.

[@Utjb27]

@@polumathes9729 it’s both a religion and a race - so i obviously meant religiously. But in either case to know God, only possible through reconciliation in Christ, is to then put on your new creation and first and foremost identify as Christian above all other identities.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

The takeaway from Doug's talk is: do not criticize Jews any more than they deserve. One example, I think, is Alexander Solzhenitsyn, “We cannot state that all Jews are Bolsheviks, but without Jews there would never have been Bolshevism." Is that fair?

[@freddavis976]

I had forgotten that line. Thanks for the reminder.

[@faturechi]

"We cannot state that all Jews are Christians, but without Jews there would never have been Christianity." Is that fair?

[@gearbarrel6237]

@@faturechioooo I like that

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

We cannot state that all white people are Americans, but without white people there would be no America. Is that fair?

[@lordflash4312]

Not really, it wasn’t the Jews who who gifted the world Christianity, they happened to be the vessel not by their own choosing. The opposite is the case with Bolshevism: a gaggle of atheistic Jews deliberately forced a Satanic philosophy into practice with murderous results.

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

I really appreciate Joel Webbon’s honest and wise take on the modern state of Israel. We confuse it with God’s people, the true Israel, as well as mistaking the Talmudic Jews of our day with the OT fathers of our Faith.

[@BetterDayComing]

Very, very true! Joel Webbon actually understands this where Doug Wilson does not.

[@Zxuma]

Joel Webbon rocks! He is better than Doug Wilson.

[@Zxuma]

@@BetterDayComing Doug Wilson needs construction money for his new temple he’s building.

[@BetterDayComing]

@@Zxuma He is definitely building something. Will a temple for Remphan and Moloch be next?

[@Zxuma]

Or an anti-human demiurge. 😂

[@jamesshepard2672]

I don’t think its driven by envy. I think it is driven by suspicious connections which leads a man to defensiveness.

[@Zxuma]

Doug believes we are so depraved, we lack objective reasoning. I wonder how we drive ourselves around.

[@HusGoose]

@@jamesshepard2672 yes in your case that entire statement seems correct.

[@jakebarnes3054]

It's driven by wanting to protect your people

[@BenGallows]

Like Doug's connections with the zionistic jews at the Edmund Burke foundation and his son's connections with liberal jews at random house publishing, netflix and other ultra liberal institutions?

[@goyonman9655]

Grade A gaslighting

[@mickey_rose]

Did anyone else notice Vivek mention that America was founded on multiple religions? Calling Presbyterians, Anabaptists, and Congregationalists different religions is like calling various takes of an oatmeal stout different libations.

[@lordflash4312]

Yes, the guy is a snake.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

Andrew Isker, CJay Engel, and Nate Fischer discuss what is wrong with Vivek's meritocracy. Those interested can search KZbin for: "What Is Wrong With Vivek's Meritocracy? (Contra Mundum, Episode 28)" From the show notes: "So often, "meritocracy" is presented as the antidote to wokeness. But is it? Is it possible that meritocracy is just the other side of the coin of liberalism compared to DEI? When civilization still existed a century before did the people pine for meritocracy? Or did they live in a different way?" "Are there problems with meritocracy that people do not recognize? Is having a technocratic regime supervising your hiring decisions really what you want?" "Nate Fischer of New Founding joins Contra Mundum to discuss this as well as all the recent attacks on the New Christian Right in recent weeks and to explain what it all means and the way forward for us."

[@HusGoose]

@@mickey_rosedon’t forget Masonic occultism, deists and Roman Catholics (in the minority). It was a mixed bag… it’s why the Concept of “God” was left so vague.

[@fancyhitchpin8675]

​@@lordflash4312PayPal mafia agent.

[@rubenthekid]

Did he really? Jeez, that's not good, I was hoping he'd stand on the truth and God's word.

[@russellfrankland7335]

I remember the day I became an antisemite. Ron Paul was running for president and I called up a local conservative talk show to talk about the federal reserve. I had a bunch of prepared points about interest rates and the role of the treasury department in the constitution and fiat currency; but before I could bring any of them up the talk show host shut me down and hung up and said that he wouldn't allow antisemitism on his show.

[@ezemdianosike5277]

Many such cases

[@Zxuma]

Yet for fear of the Jews no one spoke openly of him. -John 7:13 So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple. John 8:39

[@Bucephalus84]

Synagogue of Satan

[@goyonman9655]

You're just jealous

[@joshmarietta9158]

6:14 so would Martin Luther or any other number of Christian men who opposed Jewish power be considered lost and in need of saving as well?

[@cosmictreason2242]

No because his animosity toward them was explicitly religious and not ethnicnally essentialist

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

@@cosmictreason2242 I just read the short book and expected to see the distinction you make, but he in fact condemns their culture entirely . For example : “They are boastful, proud fools who to this day can not do more than to praise themselves because of their nobility and blood; praise themselves alone and despise and condemn the whole world.”

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@Saylor_On_Shore who are the boastful proud fools? He's saying the religious juice are boasting in their blood, he is not in this citation attributing their boasting to their blood.

[@BenGallows]

You should read John Chrysostom's "against jews" homily.

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

@@cosmictreason2242 Why must it be based in DNA? The fact is, any criticism of the group or nationstate is deemed bigoted. Martin Luther couldn’t have said a single sentence from that book in the modern era.

[@David-kd1rw]

Can we be anti-Judaism in the same way we are anti-Islam or anti-secularist? Can’t we vigorously oppose all political and cultural influences these groups seek to impose? If not, why?

[@buddyduddyful]

Because it makes Santa Clause uncomfortable, he is afraid of the Jews. He's afraid of the antiwhite slur-"antisemitism"

[@MrKiddyIcarus]

This is my personal stance. As a Christian myself, I am not opposed to Jews any more than I am opposed to Buddhists or Hindus or Atheists. It is not a unique aversion. The reason I am against the establishment and maintenance of special ties to Israel involving the massive resources we dump over there to the detriment of our own people here is the same reason I am against it for any other nation (such as Ukraine, for instance). Just as it is both natural and right for a father to exhibit unwavering and uncompromising favor for his own immediate family even when beseeched by other neighboring families in need, our political leaders ought to be firmly focused on securing provision and protection for us citizens first and foremost and promoting the religious ideals which bind us together (i.e. Christianity, in the case of America), and this divine mandate applies doubly so in times of great distress and division such as we are experiencing at this very moment. Instead however, in our darkest hour yet, both our contemporary elite on the left as well as many of the champions in our faction are continuing to demonstrate that they have a foot on both sides of the line that separates us from everyone else in the world, including Jews. If acknowledging that makes me an anti-semite somehow, then call me what you will - I don't care anymore. This country will crumble to dust all the same as a result of our collective unwillingness to strive for a true standard of holiness among the very people that occupy it. _(Edited for grammar and clarity.)_

[@David-kd1rw]

@@MrKiddyIcarus very well said.

[@BenGallows]

As long as you have equal disdain for all of them and then remember that it's your Christian duty to appeal to them and roll out the red carpet for them.

[@goyonman9655]

​@@MrKiddyIcarus You antisemite

[@YayGrr1]

Brother Doug, I love you. I watch ALL of your content across all your platforms. You do such good Christian work in so many areas and affect real change for the Kingdom of God. When I see that Israel takes precedence in my government over all else, at the detriment to my children's future, point it out, and ask for a government that is for me and mine, I am not sinning. When that call out gets me labeled as an anti-semite - unjustly - I get angry, righteously angry... righteous indignation. I have done no wrong, but wrong is done to me. I called that out on the most recent Canon Press video and Canon Press called me a "glowie". Now in this video, you tell me I am unChristian. I have done nothing, but ask for my people to be represented by my government instead of a foreign nation. So I think you and your Canon Press are in the wrong on this issue. Sometimes when everyone is telling you the same thing, they are not the wrong ones, you are. Take it as a sign.

[@goyonman9655]

You're just jealous And you secretly want yo be a jew

[@joshhigdon4951]

Brother Doug, I have never cared anything about the chosens chosen religion. Recently there have been a flood of excerpts from the talmud on tweeter, and it has really messed me up in my head. It hasn't shaken my faith by any means, but it has put the religious chosen in focus. Written within those pages are some of the most demonic and evil teachings, which are the primary religious texts of rabbinical judaism. Am I reading it wrong?

[@Hanshotfirst6688]

@@joshhigdon4951 it’s because they are the synagogue of Satan according to Jesus in Revelation

[@faturechi]

Yes. You made the really stupid mistake of believing what you read on Twitter.

[@HusGoose]

Grow a thicker skin. Of course they wrote bad things about Jesus. It doesn’t mean we get ‘Messed up in the head’ about it. It means we evangelize them and love them. Read Roman’s 11. They are our enemies yet we love them for the sake of their fathers. It really isn’t that difficult

[@johnwurfel2862]

You read correctly. Judaism split into Sadducees (money-grubbing atheists), Pharisees (rabbinic Talmudists), and Messianic (Y'eshua following). Hence the acidic vitriol of those rejecting YHWH and His anointed.

[@mucyodaniel992]

The more the people keep this type of engagement going the more we will see growing anger for demographic groups that have a morality that undercuts the usual western values. Rabbinic Judaism specifically is one of these that will suffer this anger. Just address the subjects and stop labeling everything anti semetic or anti gentile.

[@Saylor_On_Shore]

It’s insightful to read the comments. I wish so many didn’t get deleted!

[@BenGallows]

If they get too many comments in the wrong direction, they'll disable comments. Because they are cowards posing as tough guys. Frauds and charlatans. Crypto jews.

[@christopherlees1134]

I left a thoughtful and reasoned comment on here yesterday and it’s gone today. It’s almost impossible to have a substitute discussion on KZbin these days.

[@mrich21087]

Canon shadow bans people.

[@johnwurfel2862]

Instead of a simple, concise answer, Doug baffles with lofty rhetoric and defenses fit for literature, but not video. His discourse is therefore blunted and diminished.

[@Zxuma]

It makes him sound like blahity. He’s not real. He lives in a jewish- Hebrew metaverse.

[@mikejames1882]

It's really a shame to see Doug go down this road. He's the one that's obsessed with this topic lately and he's the one who's deranged in his views. Much more deranged than the people who have the ability to recognize basic patterns, and who form appropriate, wise and helpful views on this subject. In Doug's mind these ppl are just harboring hatred and jealousy and wanna be funny mustache men. Doug, you're wrong on this topic Either just give it up, or even better, let yourself consider that you may actually be wrong so that you can be corrected before you become even more deranged.

[@christopherlees1134]

Spot on.

[@cosmictreason2242]

You are the ones who are wrong

[@mikejames1882]

@@cosmictreason2242 No, absolutely not, and that's not an argument from you, it's just a false statement. Also whatever caricature you create in your head when you say "you're the ones that..." is wrong and doesn't exist. You don't even know what I believe. You've just been programmed to emotionally and mentally respond to the stimuli of anyone talking about the little hat ppl by assuming they are funny mustache men.

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@mikejames1882 the projection is strong with you

[@mikejames1882]

@@cosmictreason2242 🤣 You still have no argument. I guess yelling "projection!" When someone is spot on about what is wrong with you is part of the brainwashing.

[@ClarkGable-lp7fx]

Unbelief in a fictional event is not cause for losing ones salvation

[@Yesica1993]

What fictional event is that? Do tell?

[@Hanshotfirst6688]

I’m sorry, when did questioning a historical event equate to a grave sin that sends you to hell?

[@estarr86]

Sounds like you're full of hate there buddy

[@Hanshotfirst6688]

@@estarr86 “Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.” ‭‭1 Thessalonians‬ ‭5‬:‭21‬ ‭ I guess your translation says “accept everything blindly”

[@Yesica1993]

What historical event is that? Do tell.

[@Hanshotfirst6688]

@@Yesica1993 uh did you watch the video?

[@Yesica1993]

@@Hanshotfirst6688 Uh, how about answering?

[@dissidentleathermonster]

I'm one of those internet randos. I pray for the Jews daily. I also recognize that they are my enemy.

[@gearbarrel6237]

How are they your enemy?

[@kuhatsuifujimoto9621]

@@gearbarrel6237 is the whole hatred of Christ and ownership of the pr0 n industry not enough? because there's a lot more.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes. Romans 11:28 .

[@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev]

As long as you also consider your enemy every other people group that hates Christ and produces p0rn: The Germans, the Japanese, the Russians, the Thai ...

[@christopherlees1134]

Amen.

[@TheMcGloneCode]

Doug, if a good Pharisee is one who would understand the criticism of the whole, and a good Secret service member is one who would understand the criticism of the whole, why isn't a good Jew one who understands the criticism of the whole? I must be missing something. I understand that being Jewish (ethnicity) is an immutable trait, but there is a culture and a religion attached to this "group" and I think the best criticism is this: Nothing about being Jewish guards the Jew from being a sinner. That said, it goes further: Something about being Jewish seems to make the Jew a much more competent sinner (this mirrors some things I believe I've heard you say). I largely agree with you that we ought to win Jews over to Christ :) but I don't think in any way that nullifies the other opinion that there are real issues with "Jews" (as they identify, not as the immutable ethnicity, and not in exactly the same way as all sinners). Why can't we discuss both of these angles at once? I see no contradiction. We are not Jewish nation, and we are not a "Judeo-Christian" nation -- nobody in this nation should welcome "Jewish" influence. We ALL should welcome Christian influence, even when it comes through a Christian Jew (ethnicity).

[@estarr86]

Ooof

[@ezemdianosike5277]

A well-reasoned reply. I don't expect Doug to respond as you are probably an "anti-semite"

[@vejoshiraptor]

lol he literally said if you have a low number of followers on your social media account then you’re a fool who doesn’t deserve an answer?! At 0:53. Wisdom is measured by how many followers we have now, guys.

[@billbadson7598]

No, he said that responding to every individual is impossible, and he's not likely to change the mind of whoever he is responding to online. Therefore, if he does respond, it is most efficient of his time to respond in ways which will reach the most people.

[@buddyduddyful]

Pride in your subscriber count is virtue I guess.

[@vejoshiraptor]

@@billbadson7598no, he distinctly did NOT say that, he said nothing about “time” or “efficiency,” he said that the “right thing to do” (making it a moral issue, not a time constraint) is to “not answer a fool according to his folly” i.e. declaring them all fools, and the only measure he used was to count their number of followers. Your defense is completely invented out of nothing.

[@PostSupAnglican]

@@vejoshiraptor Might be measured in part by reading comprehension.

[@vejoshiraptor]

@@PostSupAnglicanI’m not sure an insult was called for, and can you elaborate on what I am not comprehending?

[@jacobmark4198]

What does “antisemitism” even mean and how does that mean that they do not have faith in Christ?

[@HusGoose]

@@jacobmark4198 it means one is anti- contemporaryJewish people and their right to self determination for whatever reason. Many people who profess Christ are now throwing in with the radical left on their disdain for the people of Israel. It’s a very disturbing trend that seems demonic… but here we are.

[@christopherlees1134]

Antisemitism is when you realize Jews have outsized influence and power in your country, and they are antichrist, and they undermine your Christian culture because they hate Jesus.

[@Bucephalus84]

He is standing on the arguement that Christ was jewish. One might also reply that Christ was the first Christian.

[@christopherlees1134]

@@Bucephalus84 the way we understand Jewishness today is different from how it was understood in the ancient times. It should be noted that none of Jesus is followers or fellow Israelites ever referred to him as a Jew. Furthermore, in the book of revelation, Jesus refers to the Jews collectively as the synagogue of Satan. Even today, modern rabbis consider the New Testament to be highly anti-Semitic.

[@joshmarietta9158]

So being jealous of the Jewish power in our nation is the same level of jealousy one would have for the guy who just commandeered your house and has armed officers there to make sure you can’t get back in. Oh. And you’re paying him for his trouble. Is there some jealousy. Possibly. But that is a jealousy of the power to control our nation and to keep our dollars from a government that steals it from us to give to those who oppose us. You encounter plenty of antisemitism I’m sure but most, honest people not just looking for a reaction, have honest complaints and we live in a system that is designed to minimize your suffering and to squash you under the thumb of some elite. Some elite that have major connections to Zionism and its lobby power. I think you’re painting the Mona Lisa by throwing buckets of paint at the easel.

[@MrKiddyIcarus]

Excellent point.

[@levigarrett5614]

You cant win on this one doug.

[@0987__]

No he can’t. These people are more pig headed than flat earthers.

[@OscarSchneegans]

I don't know. He's proven right on all kinds of stuff decades after he started beating that particular drum. See secularism.

[@levigarrett5614]

@@OscarSchneegans do we have to start listing quotes from their writings on Christ and Christians like its 2012 again?

[@cosmictreason2242]

@@levigarrett5614you're on the losing side of history and eternity

[@levigarrett5614]

@cosmictreason2242 well, you can go bow before them if that gets you on the right side or whatever.

[@jonat6825]

I was very pro Israel. I always took their side in any Palestinian-Israeli conflict. But then I saw, and I have Candace Owens largely to thank, that anyone who criticised Israel for anything was called an antisemite. And I wondered if the people who are particularly scathing of Israel only had mild-moderate criticisms at first, but because of the disproportionate backlash and name-calling they received, became more and more "radical", for want of a better term. I have felt uncomfortable by some of the things I've seen said rather broadly against Jews. But part of the problem is that nobody was listening to the critics of Israel in the first place. People like Jordan Peterson is willing to interview almost anyone of any stripe, but won't dare interview an "antisemite", he'd rather just call them rats. But I'd love to see an honest dialogue. It's been wonderful to see Russell Brand's transformation, and I think that can only have happened because he was willing to talk with people who had different views.

[@HusGoose]

@@jonat6825 as someone who also values Candice, she is an antisemite with a very shallow grasp of middle eastern history. She was clearly being spiteful in her Christ is king comments and used that as a pejorative. Ben was completely right to fire her for being repeatedly vindictive petty and sharing antisemitic talking point you can get from any run of the mill alt right 💩. Be a bit more discerning, you were right the first time.

[@PostSupAnglican]

Candice Owens is presently confused about the basic contours of the Israel-Palestine conflict but will hopefully grow out of it.

[@HusGoose]

@@jonat6825 Candice Owens is astonishingly naive and uninformed when it comes to Christianity (she is Roman Catholic), and Judaism. The fact you look to her as a guide to middle eastern policy and religion is very concerning.

[@HusGoose]

@@jonat6825 Candice is good on politics and horrid on religion (she isn’t a Christian, but is RCC), and middle eastern policy. She has been heavily influenced by antisemites and uses their same apologetics. She can deny being one but if she’s using the same play book/arguments, it is what it is.

[@Yesica1993]

"But then I saw, and I have Candace Owens largely to thank," LOL! Good grief!

[@buddyduddyful]

Is this a Jordan Peterson 2.0?

[@buddyduddyful]

@@patrickmeyer2598 ah oh, another rando, lol

[@hammersadventure]

Pastor Wilson has been around in Reformed Christian circles for decades (books, books and more books). But he’s got more social media savvy and started weighing in on politics more in recent years.

[@paulasueInChrist]

Thank you from Breaux Bridge, Louisiana. “Kakistocracy” is a new word for me!

[@mumbairay]

O K B O O M E R

[@stegokitty]

And it's that kind of response that displays yourself as a true idiot. Congratulations.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

16:39 Doug said, "Ask yourself this: who do you think Benjamin Netanyahu would prefer to have president of the United States? Biden or Trump?" Wasn't Mr. Netanyahu the first to congratulate Joe Biden for winning the presidency? Didn't Donald Trump feel betrayed by him for that? Both administration's, Republican and Democrat, give him multiple standing ovations whenever he visits the United States.

[@kuhatsuifujimoto9621]

THIS CANNOT BE STRESSED ENOUGH. NETANYAHU COMPLETELY STABBED TRUMP IN THE BACK IN 2020

[@Utjb27]

What if: Benjamin Netanyahu wanted October 7 to happen in order to escalate and green light American military intervention in the Middle East on Israel’s behalf i.e. war with Iran?

[@Sardious]

Publicly Benjamin netanyahu will show total support towards whoever wins because he knows that even if we're only paying for 6% of his military it would collapse if we didn't. It's like how your kids are suddenly extra nice to you when they want something from you. I would assume netanyahu would want the United States to be strong if he's going to ask us to fight with her for him and therefore he would prefer a trump but he will absolutely act like whoever's in there is his best friend because that's how you get money in modern society with a managerial state is to kiss up to the boss.

[@kathrynrodriguez2089]

Judaism's Strange Gods by Michael Hoffman I'd like to see Doug review this book and reflect on his current video.

[@hannahb.2017]

You are lost.

[@andyjones1982]

A lot of people are going to vote for Trump/Vance DESPITE their position on Israel. It is not just about you. Its about this "Israel exception to their worldview". You know, like you are anti-interventionist in general, but somehow with an exception for Israel. I have been an anti-islamist forever, having connections to northern Nigeria, and a large part of me does not mind at all that the Jews are humiliating the religion of war right near its heartland. BUT then I have come to realize a few things. (1) Too many of the same people who are all for what Israel is doing, would happily do the same to Christian Russia, Christian Hungary, and Christians in general. (2) The censorship is strong and growing. Too many people who critiqued 'cancel culture' flipped on a dime after Oct 7th, showed themselves to be not at all principled Free Speech advocates. (3) I watched Denis Prager skillfully avoid a reasonable question about the Nakbah and decided to learn more about history. This led me to sympathize with the Arabs, who are not all Muslims. Israel is an apartheid colonizing state, akin to a Crusader State. Is there a temptation to envy the Jews? Yes, no doubt you are right. I sometimes feel the temptation in myself. But there is a whole lot more going on here.

[@andyjones1982]

I should explain the thing about Russia. Its not just that they hate Russia for trying to find a new identity in Orthodoxy instead of liberal modernity, not just that they are clearly itching to kill Russia as a geopolitical power, not just that they are obscenely eager to kill Russian men on the battlefield, but most of all that they DO NOT CARE what is the will of the Russians in eastern Ukraine EVEN though they are a majority there. In particular Crimea is overwhelmingly pro-Russian; something like 85%, and still we are going to impose anti-Russian rule, and even a conquest by NATO, upon them? That is nuts. I can think of only one other place where we would do anything like that in this day and age.

[@NeanderthalWoman-ou8ev]

You are mistaken about Israel being a colonizing state. That was their original homeland. You are mistaken about it being an apartheid state. There are a large number of ethnic Arabs who are full citizens in Israel, including sitting in Parliament. The same cannot be said for any of the Arab states that surround Israel. The words "colonizer" and "apartheid" are talking points intended to portray Israelis as Europeans (they aren't), and to turn the hatred that is felt for Europeans towards Israel as well.

[@patrick953]

No offence, but how can Israel be a colonial state in the land of their ancestors? I am not for everything Israel has done, but how can they be classed as a colonial state, when it is the Arabs that have colonised the entire middle-east?

[@BornAgain223]

yeah calling Israel a colonizing state basically says you don't believe in the truth of the bible. If you are a Bible believing Christian then you are basically calling God a liar. He gave them that territory and he never took it back so it still belongs to them, regardless of how many bad things you think they have done.

[@patrick953]

@@BornAgain223 Even leaving the bible out of this, we have evidence of Israelites being in the levant at least since the time of Pharaoh Seti I which is about 3,300 years.

[@michaelstarling6361]

People say "if you want to know how someone will treat YOU, look at how they treat a PARTICULAR individual or demographic." But I have learned that if you want to know how someone will treat YOU, look at how they treat ANYONE and EVERYONE. For if there is any one individual or demographic in which they hold in contempt, should you give that individual or demographic ANY credit, much more so should you say "you need to apologize for such an attitude", whatever contempt they felt towards the others will be quickly directed at YOU. Inasmuch, it is still possible to love your enemies while also being honest about having enemies and why you have them. In other words, we can love our enemies without flattering or slandering them, for to do either one is to bear false witness.

[@eric_eagle]

Watch out, Internet rando here. Pastor Doug, it might serve the purpose of peace to follow the advice you helpfully dispense near the beginning of the video - to paraphrase, your opponent should be able to see and own his position in your argument. If there is a recurring theme in the many dissenting comments when you speak on ethnic issues, it seems to be that you have in fact not accurately characterized the opposing view. It might be helpful to branch out from monologuing on some of these topics and consider hosting some actual thought leaders on the other side, with whom you might have a cordial, dispassionate conversation. Straw men, which surely both sides are guilty of creating, are more easily avoided in this way and the discussion would be more profitable for the listener. All that said, this internet rando disagrees with you on some things but still thanks God for you!

[@banemaler]

I thought that was the conversation he had with Andrew Isker via Doug and Friends.

[@eric_eagle]

@@banemaler Quite possibly! I don’t watch all his videos and did not see that one. But would be happy to take a look.

[@SamButler-hm6ul]

@eric_eagle it's on the Canon Press channel. Doug wilson vs twitter or something like that. They turned the comments off on that video.

[@mrich21087]

There are two teams; those with Jesus and those not with Jesus. That’s it. “If anyone does not love the Lord, let that person be cursed! Come, Lord!” - 1 Corinthians 16:22

[@Zxuma]

Yada yada blah blah. Is the temple construction completed yet?

[@HusGoose]

Why are you an antisemitite?

[@GraceNawon]

Really appreciated this vid, well done Doug!

[@stevenboyd593]

Still and all, soon Momala will fall on her sword and the curtain between us and the "wizard" or his proxy will be visible ... only God can help us: "The Lord foils the plans of the nations; he thwarts the purposes of the peoples. 11 But the plans of the Lord stand firm forever, the purposes of his heart through all generations" Psalm 33:10-12

[@possumhunter1179]

Well, it's not unorthodox to maintain that Jer. 29:7 belongs exclusively to the same people to whom Peter spoke in 1 Pet. 2:11, precisely because our Lord said John 14:6. So, it doesn't matter what political or religious groups try to jockey for power in this world, or even whether or not they do. Because they inevitably will. That's just the way of the world. Yes, Jesus identified the Sanhedrin in John 8:44. But the Sanhedrin aren't the only ones that belonged to that category. They were just the secular power brokers at that time. In the final analysis, Jesus is King. You can't seriously believe that Pol Pot religiously aligned with the Judean power brokers of the first century. No, he was just another human being that tyrannized other human beings. No group - not Germans or Soviets or Hamas or Nero and Romans or whatever get the honor of being the baddest bad guys. Modern Nebuchadnezzars and Pharaohs come and go, regardless of their beliefs. But Jesus always topples tyranny, regardless of the tyrant's personal preferences. Can Tel Aviv and Moscow and London and DC and Saigon, etc, all be seats of tyranny? Sure. None is righteous. The only seat of government that can't be corrupted by tyranny is the Heavenly Jerusalem, where Jesus is enthroned on high. And He always topples earthly tyrants, sooner or later, one way or the other, until He finally comes to wipe them all clean. No human group has a monopoly on earthly tyranny, and all human groups are prone to be tyrannical.

[@runyourrace2finish910]

I am in a loose net conservative group. No meetings just online banner & Raw raw cheering . The wife , and I went to Israel with our church in early 2023(Jan.- Feb.) We have all stayed in touch with our tour guide( a messianic, Jew) that is Extraordinary teacher. She sent us a link to keep up with up to date news from Israel after the Oct. 7th terrorist attack. I decided to post bits of the news on this conservative group . Wow was I surprised , the Catholics , and 1 Eastern Orthodox attacked me. The antisemitism was off the rails. The Eastern Orthodox being one of the worst. They attacked the Protestant religion, Darby , dispensationalism with anger & venom!

[@levigarrett5614]

"Your just jealous" is sooooooo /=%!$#

[@raymond_sycamore]

It'd be interesting to hear you talk to Paul Elam

[@carlosreira2189]

You're a boomer alright. Is it really always about you? Will you be the Me Generation to the bitter end?

[@Yesica1993]

Which statement in this video did you disagree with, and upon what biblical basis? Give the time stamp.

[@carlosreira2189]

@@Yesica1993 Disagree? With a brilliant man like Douglas Wilson? "En las muchas palabras no falta pecado."

[@Yesica1993]

​@@carlosreira2189 How cute that you're you're addressing me in Spanish, as though I don't know Spanish. Answer what I asked you. Which statement in this video did you disagree with, and upon what biblical basis? You know you won't answer. Jew hatred is a serious issue. It deserves to be discussed in a serious manner. Be gone, troll.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

11:29 "Right wing identity politics." All politics is identity politics.

[@pkingpumpkin]

A debate about economic policy between the parties is politics but it is not identity politics.

[@virtualpilgrim8645]

@@pkingpumpkin Politics is about the management and promotion of the well-being of the nation. So, the question we have to 1st ask is what is the nation? The Greek New Testament word for nation is ethos. Strongs Concordance even uses the word, "race". There are two competing views of America today: America as an idea, or America as an ethnos. 90% of Christians believe America is an idea which is a modern invention. Ethnicity and race are the bedrock of a nation and thus politics. Your people come first in all decisions whether it's economic or social. You have to ask the question how does this impact American identity.

[@Postmillhighlights]

You misquoted proverbs 26:4 about 1 minute in.

[@iamguardian9099]

What Murphy is he talking about?

[@RobertJames-c4f]

High praises to the King

[@brentheltonj6308]

Doug Wilson “ gets snipped and quoted out of context” all the time lol

[@TulipGirl-ip9kv]

I feel like everyone whining that Doug is calling them an antisemite for not wanting America to give a bunch of money to Israel, and getting defensive, either didn’t listen to this video past two minutes, or are proving his point entirely. If you disagree with Doug on policy when it comes to Israel, but you refuse to acknowledge how true antisemitism is evil and against Christ, then you are proving his point, and are part of the problem.

[@chrism.1421]

The worship of God is the same for all of Israel, both the house of Ephraim/Israel and the house of Judah. It is the one faith of Christ, not the faith of Ephraim and the other faith of Judah. What, then, can be said of the Judaists, who should know this better than anyone?

[@shanpastaflocka]

These comments are wild. Anyway, looking forward to your video about the Republican platform!

[@joshmarietta9158]

5:21 saying Netanyahu loves Israel is like saying Scott Peterson loved his wife.

[@lindakinzer6698]

Thank you!

[@BenGallows]

Okay, jew.

[@goyonman9655]

I heard one of his son married a Jewess and decided to raise his grand children as Jews. Ever since then, he's been protective of Jews. He's not Jewish himself. But he has Jewush family

[@HusGoose]

@@BenGallows antisemite trash

[@al9610]

October 7th a pivotal event I can't claim to know its origins, but sin always seems in the forefront so be careful to presume one's own moral superiority getting angry over the closing of ranks behind Israel and taking out of Anti-Israel or Anti-Semitic politicians in the USA and beyond. I would rather humbly acknowledge my failings before criticizing the way politics post-October 7th is shaking out even the corruption of US arms dealers profiting from supplying weapons to Israel and kicking back some cash to politicians.

[@jack4423]

Well said!

[@freddavis976]

Do you see the irony? With this vid Doug is the one yelping. I wonder what stone set him off.

[@HusGoose]

Probably some dolt who professed Christ that’s never read Romans 11 and feels justified in his hatred for something he doesn’t understand.

[@freddavis976]

@@HusGoose You are quite possibly correct. However, instead of insulting them as "dolts", Doug would have called them "clodpates". Romans 11:32 For God has consigned everyone to disobedience so that He may have mercy on everyone.

[@HusGoose]

@@freddavis976 call it what you will, Roman’s 11 needs to be read in its entirety, not peacemeal. There is absolute clarity in how Christian should regard Jews.

[@freddavis976]

@@HusGoose I didn't call it anything, don't straw man me. I think the Gospels offer "absolute clarity in how (a) Christian should regard Jews" (and everyone else).

[@HusGoose]

@@freddavis976 and Paul addresses Jews in particular in Romans. You should probably read it before getting snippy

[@wills9392]

Who is They? Sinners are they. We are they.

[@Ephesians-yn8ux]

Doug you are a gem. I don’t like judging people based on their followers though, there is a human behind every troll.

[@anitasmith203]

Second view, lol another smith.

[@jackshannon777]

Excellent. Keep up the good work, Pr. Wilson.

[@Yesica1993]

* fires up interwebs * * sees title * Sigh. What now?!

[@joshuakarr-BibleMan]

Love you too.

[@shanpastaflocka]

Boost

[@LordLoveGood]

“People of the spleen that merely know how to vent” brilliant

[@smhbbag1]

This dude is rapidly losing touch and credibility

[@wills9392]

Ah yes, smhbbag1, I see exactly what you're getting at....

[@Darcyholte]

I appreciate the irony of your comment, assuming you intended to speak in the third person.

[@gearbarrel6237]

Let the hate flow out of your heart-perhaps like your father-the devil. Perhaps you have that goat 🐐 DNA rather than the Lamb’s DNA?

[@HusGoose]

@@smhbbag1 *with fools.* fixed it

[@smhbbag1]

@@HusGoose all those fools are willing to debate him at length, upon request. And they are within his own denomination.

[@JohnSmith-cc6mk]

First view!

[@0987__]

I agree with you Doug. Those who read their bible understand. “They honour me with their lips but their hearts are far from me”

[@LRibeiro97]

Let's be honest. The comments here are pretty hopeless.

[@Yesica1993]

I never realized how much Jew hatred there was, even among (supposed) Christians. It's horrifying. They're gonna have such a shock when they stand before Christ and realize... He is Jewish. LOL! I can't wait to see their faces.

[@kuhatsuifujimoto9621]

or, the likelihood of you ever recognizing what is plainly in front of you is completely hopeless. +ratio

[@Yesica1993]

@@kuhatsuifujimoto9621 Yep. They're screaming their Jew hatred from the rooftops, and people STILL refuse to see it. It's vile.

[@Yesica1993]

@RandomOccurrences I haven't said squat to you. Goodbye.

[@Yesica1993]

Thank you, Pastor Doug, for dealing with this madness. It wasn't until 10/7 that I really got to see how many Jew haters there are, even among supposedly "Christian" circles. It's been horrifying. Edit: The problem with Jew haters is they don't seem to see that they're Jew haters. I don't know where to even start with people like that.

[@IronFire116]

...because we don't hate jews. We just consider them equal to muslims or hindus.

[@BornAgain223]

start with scripture. It would seem scripture is pretty clear about how close to God's heart the israelites are.

[@ab-gail]

Blaming others instead of our own sin. Very common. This rot goes deep. Thanks for speaking on it Doug.

[@the.mr.nobody]

Wise in our own eyes... agreed. Doug, for example, thinks that God's law went away because a Pharisee who murdered christians claimed to see Jesus after Jesus warned his followers that nobody would see him until everyone did. Sigh. Life is hard.

[@BornAgain223]

better read the passage again. you clearly did not take the time to understand it. Nowhere in Acts 9 is it written that Paul sees Jesus. Don't bear false witness.

[@PostSupAnglican]

Be honest. As you read about Paul's persecution of the Church, do you imagine a Jew coercing and attacking gentiles? Just a heads up that this never happened. With the light respect so many Christians show Messianics, it's odd to see them agitated by Paul's treatment of them.

[@BornAgain223]

@@PostSupAnglican not even sure what you are saying in your statement. Your claim is that Paul's testimony is false? fabricated? or am I misunderstanding your message?

[@reuelmelville5232]

I am Jewish- with a deep interest in Christianity. I'm just trying to find my way. I am so often put off by Christian preachers who are just plain anti-semitic. So glad to see a conservative, serious and traditional Christian pastor who is not an anti-semite.

[@eurekahope5310]

I have never sat under an antisemitic pastor. I think those that are just make the news because it fits a narrative of racist WASPs. In fact, I credit my youth pastors encouragement for spending a semester in Israel. And because I love both Christ and Jews, it is such a joy to see Jewish person begin to see his Messiah in Christ. God bless!

[@lordflash4312]

Anti-semitism is just the flip side of calling someone racist who you disagree with. Nobody I know cares what a “Semite” is, nor do I. Do you even know?

[@helenel4126]

I'm a Jew who accepted Jesus as the Messiah. I've been a faithful follower of Yeshua for over half my life. The many anti-semitic comments to Pastor Doug (eg, "Jews are my enemy") make me want to vomit. So Jesus, the eleven apostles, Paul, Mary, Martha, Mary the mother of Jesus, and James, among others, are your enemies? Sheesh.

[@lordflash4312]

@@helenel4126 you're pretty thin-skinned. An "enemy" is any enemy of Christ, doesn't matter who it is. Screaming "anti-semitism" at this point is dully, boring, repetitive.

[@Utjb27]

@helenel4126 I am also Jewish who converted to Christianity and can say the name calling game is non-sense and Jews need to repent and turn to Christ

[@sam_the_davidson]

As an Indian, I appreciate pastor Wilson's comments here: 13:20 - 15:05

[@DerickTherving]

Keep fighting on this Doug. This is flak over the target.

[@PostSupAnglican]

The fact Wilson is not afraid to stand up to the anti-Jew edgelords proves he is the serious person in the room. It's Davidic Christendom or no Christendom. Don't want a Jewish Christ with a Jewish kingdom? You have no appetite for the gospel.

[@joshmarietta9158]

I would wager you’d be extremely hard pressed to find many opposing the Jews because of their religion. The people in Israel are not the same tribes that we read about in the OT. So what do they oppose? Government and its actions. I opposed most of what American government does but I deeply love America. Zionism is a scourge for humanity and global cabal and government is as such. Most likely, You hear the word Jew and it strikes emotional response because you’ve been taught your whole life that Judaism is Christianity lite. It’s the same mentality of the left. If you were to switch the teams around and just go straight off context you’d most likely side with other team.

[@BornAgain223]

hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to innumerable angels in festal gathering,

[@BornAgain223]

psalm 132:13 For the Lord has chosen Zion; he has desired it for his dwelling place:

[@BornAgain223]

revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and behold, on Mount Zion stood the Lamb, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father's name written on their foreheads.

[@PostSupAnglican]

@@joshmarietta9158 You'd lose that wager, though. The Talmud according to Twitter paranoia has already surfaced in the comments of this video. No states are immaculately conceived. All are barely tenable by any consistent moral standard. Dozens of states are younger than Israel and have moved millions more across larger borders. Only one garners obsessive attention from Marxist brats in keffiyahs and the Right. I'm not the one reacting emotionally to the idea of the Jew.

[@websmink]

Good job boy

[@Utjb27]

As a Christian from a Jewish family (my last name is Bernstein): I can say with no hate in my heart that to be a modern day Jew means you reject Jesus and therefore it’s not a good thing the fact that Jews are so prevalent in positions of power and influence in society. That is not because of envy or hate, that is just a fact - as Christians we should want Christians, who have the Holy Spirit within them, to be in positions of power and influence in society. Does Doug Wilson call call me an “anti-semite” for saying that?

[@christopherlees1134]

Thank you.

[@gregs157]

That's the same problem I have, so many are in high positions of power. Look at how many elected officials have dual citizenship in Israel/U.S. That should never be allowed, how does one know where their true allegiance lies? I've watched reels etc showing how many are Jewish, if they are true it's not only astonishing, it's very unnerving. High performance people? C'mon, it's impossible to have that many in power. How many modern day Jews are actually real, ancestral Hebrews?

[@AB-eb2wy]

He wrote an entire book about it you silly man

[@HusGoose]

@@Utjb27 Yes and no. Several things are being conflated. Read Romans 11 to the end. It is a given the Jews can be our enemy for the sake of Christ and we still honor and love them for the sake of their fathers and for the hope of future salvation where a multitude will be saved. The idea is to preserve them not because they offer any unique spiritual insight or are in a separate track for salvation but to Honor God’s promise to them. That that a future generation will be saved en masse. And those who persecute in the interim or are complicit will be judged.

[@stegokitty]

You do remember that he's a Christian Nationalist, right? So of course we want our leadership to be Christian. So vote, the best of your ability, in that direction, and/or become a Christ-loving politician and call for Christians to vote for you.