Why Self-Hating Jews Hate Jews

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[@AynRandCentreUK]

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[@Einstormer]

I love coming to these streams to be reminded that there are a few sane, intelligent, eloquent men left in the world. Men who don't apologize for knowing right from wrong.

[@ajl8198]

i agree

[@saraleigh5336]

Yes; have you found the others? (Or are you set? Do you need any recs?)

[@saraleigh5336]

I often agree, but am partway in and this was somewhat embarrassing, like not being able to identify what a Jew is and giving Naturei Karta a pass…

[@HomeisJax]

Amen, Amen! It’s a hardship living in an Isaiah 5:20 world. I can only imagine how vexed Lot felt in Sodom. There seems to have been two big spiritual shifts, one in 2020 and again in a huge way~October 7th. It’s only downhill from here, for a season, but not forever. I’m glad to have rolled up on this channel of sanity, too, just plain common sense is refreshing.

[@user-bu6in1gc4i]

You mean unapologetically jenna sidal?

[@unisophia]

there is a problem: unlike other groups, we can’t afford not being tribal to some extent, at least in certain issues. we just can’t afford it. because anti-Semites don’t really care about all these subtle philosophical nuances. all they care for it whether you are a Jew or aren’t. and if we want to survive, we must stick together and avoid backstabbing each other.

[@saraleigh5336]

Agreed; and it is a tiny population.

[@mechamongrel-ir2qt]

sure, that's your opinion. Someone's opinion might differ from yours. Just because someone has a different opinion doesn't make them anti-semitic.

[@charliebrownie4158]

This is nothing new, one of the worst things in midrash I'll explain the final mistake that Pontious Pilate made that prompted his return to Rome that ended with his crucifixion. There was two families in the Galilee area at one point there was a falling out between 2 fathers the one who's child was getting married had uninvited the one who had the falling out was so very sorry and begged forgiveness to be allowed in the ceremony and feast after it. But the father refused saying no, and no amount of pleading was going to force his entry would allow him to acquiesce to his pleadings no matter how many tears. The one who felt slighted by the other went from sorrow and tears and sobbing to anger, not just a little anger, but a lot of hatred and even murder. But at that time if one Jew killed another the killer and his whole family would be crucified. The issue to them was go tell the Romans and get them to right the wrong done to them. He told the Roman guard about a wedding going on but added that the father of one of couple getting hitched were going to bring a mob of Jews to get rid of the Roman yoke. The Romans to quote Barney Fife nip it in the bud. What neither of those two knew was coming was the response of the majority of the Iscarious of which Juddah the follower of the Nazarene joined the fight that went from the back water areas through other locales to such an extent that it was a full bore insurrection that ended so many lives. You have to understand at that time for all those different people they were doing as they felt was right. But as they say, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. I remember my Rabbi was telling this midrash and explained that his main prayer was that Jews who were Liberal or Conservative or uninterested religiously would always unite for the good of ourselves as one people. But as what actually happens at our time we're dealing with people who can be apathetic towards one or the whole. The one thing I've noticed is that Liberal-Progressives are more than willing not only to be apathetic towards one group or the whole. Whether it is because of them being paid off, or because they feel that religious Jews are considered something to make fun of or as with some today for, in the Liberal minded, using Torah to desire a homeland. They feel that, as the Extremists feel, that we've taken over something we want. Which is exactly the same way it seemed to me of the ones in occupied territory during Shoah that felt we brought the Holocaust upon ourselves because they believed the lies of the perpetrated that great harm upon ourselves. Something on both counts which it seems like somebody has taken, maybe out of cowardly reaction towards a threat thinking siding with the enemy will save them from the destruction to come. As in the Second World War one of the things that a sage said about that time was if you want to see where the world will be heading watch what happens to us because it's sort of like the barometer. As in the case with WW2 it was the most horrific in terms of lives lost. Most notably civilians of which German civilians. I've heard a lot of assumptions from different professors of History that the powers that be of the Allies had decided complete and total warfare against Germany because of the way that they had reacted to the way the world war one end and how Germany the country itself wasn't touched by such things as the bombs or the killing that the idea was we have to make Wars terrible as possible to quote General Sherman. War is hell, it should be so terrible that the thought of war would make those people think twice or thrice before making that mistake again. Or because of the bombings of civilian targets in London and other locales in the UK.

[@henriqueguimaraes121]

So true, Jews are a minority in this World if you guys don't stay together you will suffer with anti- semitic haters, same thing with the Blacks when they're divided the Racists come to get them, Humans are just tribal by nature.

[@verbena987]

Thats what makes them incredibly dangerous! Antisemites love to have a "Jew" on their side! 😉 Saw an anti-Israel blogger - and he was staying in the most exclusive Hotels in "palestine"! (Did not have to pay) Sad story.....

[@andrewsilverstein6186]

I suppose the answer to this question might come in the form of an old Yiddish joke: "Antisemitism is hating Jews more than necessary".

[@JorgeRzezak]

🤣

[@christianx8494]

No, Antisemitism means not to burn down houses of Arabs, not to destroy their water supply, not to kill their sheep, not to fell their olive trees, not to defame human right supporters all over the world, not to be racist.

[@dl1361]

An antisemite was someone who hated Jews now it’s someone Jews hate

[@vanessashimoni6548]

I’m going to be honest, I don’t understand self hating Jews. I love being Jewish, I think we’re awesome and have every right to be proud of our many accomplishments. We have certainly done well despite millennia of oppression, violence and Jew hatred. Yay us! 🎉

[@lf9341]

People believe propaganda more if it comes from a non-biased source. So it pays very well when a Jew attacks the Jewish state. After all, who cares if someone Muslim says something nasty about the Jewish state? But if a Jewish person says it… People like Finkelstein is a psychopath.

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

You shouldn't be proud of the massive list of war crimes.The idf commits on a daily basis

[@janinesymondson5324]

I bought 2 of Gabor Mate’s books a week before October 7th and was looking forward to reading them. However, soon after October 7th, when he was interviewed time after time, and kept blaming his mother for giving him away for “6 weeks” to protect him during the holocaust, it sickened me. Also the inaccuracies and lies he spews at the same time claiming to be a “holocaust survivor” just sickened me. I took both books, put them on my barbecue, and burnt every last page. How can one read a man’s books that speaks so cowardly against his own people? I will not let him or Finkelstein waste 1 more second of my time. They are using their Jewishness as a platform for fame. Shameful!!

[@blueberry3168]

Bravo! I feel exactly the same way as you do. I have a physical reaction to seeing and hearing him speak (and son Daniel). My nervous system goes completely awry. I believe they suffer from a type of narcissism due to trauma from parents. Which makes them especially dangerous and evil.

[@natalyurshanski8031]

Yes! Exactly my feelings! I didn't buy his books but I felt sick after listening to his interviews with different Muslim hosts. I think that he has to get treatment himself and work on his trauma before saying something about Israel where he didn't live!

[@paulamarsh1]

​@@blueberry3168as a non Jewish person who got into Gabor Mate on youtube and actually found him interesting, I was appalled at his stance on the current situation.

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

​@@paulamarsh1yea... real pick me vibes

[@christine5401]

I might not like the Government ruling my County, but if my People are killed, there is no way I can go on the street to support those who killed them. What I do not understand about those who say that they are Jewish, but at the same time support the very People who given a chance will not leave them alive just because they are Jews although they do not live in Israel.

[@dl1361]

If you’re saying that there are no Palestinians that wouldn’t murder then you would benefit us all by joining an Ashram

[@gg_rider]

I think this panel is aware of the difference between a good faith debate on Israel or criticism vs outright slander about Israel. I admit to being a Jewish former anti-Zionist but i didn't have a clear idea of what that meant (on the Left), so i was a 2SS guy who believed the story that nuclear-armed powerful Israel was preventing the 2SS. So i was steeped in ignorance about history, lies about history, lies about Israel, slander about Israel, lies about Palestinian desires and long-standing animosity and evil plans to annihilate Jews. I knew almost nothing about this, but i didn't want to end Jews or Israel, just for Israel to be willing to share the land. I didn't know that the Arabs REFUSED to share land. I didn't know the narrative i had was Goebbels propaganda appropriated by the KGB. My thinking held the conflation between Israel and (for example) the ill-advised and cruel US invasion of Iraq, sold as a humanitarian mission to help Muslims, after bombing their cities and even a bomb shelter. I enjoyed the praise from nice compassionate Leftist peers of being the token Jew FOR PEACE! But more than any attention, i enjoyed being what i believed was morally correct. In reality, i was captured by "political correctness". I could say more. One more small point: i DO NOT agree that Jesse Lee Peterson is anti-Black. I think he's opposed to "pro-Black" nonsense and the Liberal White intellectual fawning on ultraviolent ghetto Blacks, and the blaming of Black internal problems on White outsiders, the turning to White saviors who are simultaneously denigrated for still having Whiteness, a denigration they often gladly embrace, and inflict on other Whites. Cultural Revolution, Cultural Marxism, against Whites and against Jews, same thing. Peterson challenges that, albeit in a sharp manner without false intellectual caveats.

[@shnitz_world7779]

Interesting, especially the part of the narrative (are you referring to the pro Palestinian narrative?) being Goebbels propaganda appropriated by the KGB. Where did you find out about this?

[@yehuditcollins6783]

Very well explained.

[@vanessashimoni6548]

Well said, I’m very glad you no longer expound anti Zionist views. I agree 💯 with your assessment of Jesse Lee Peterson. He aims at shocking the Black community by bringing their racism and lack of accountability to the surface. Not because he hates Black people but because he loves them and wants to shake them out of a narrative of victimization that is destroying their communities.

[@KaliMaaaaa]

There is no such thing as "cultural Marxism" it was a term invented by the Reich to slander Jews. I'm sorry that you can't seem to see that much of the rightful criticism of the corporatized neo-left is STEEPED in anti-semitism to this very day. That is one thing both the right and left have in common (besides hating women like your friend Peterson) they also hate Jewish people.

[@lloydgush]

Sir, I wholly hold myself responsible for my anti-zionist stances. At the very least, I didn't care enough to research and went with the crowd.

[@haguitabergel]

dont forget gabor matté, bernie sanders

[@ARTNETWORKTV]

Gabor Matte and Bernie Sanders are disgusting evil human beings.

[@blueberry3168]

Oh I haven’t forgotten those two! Mates’s sons particularly Daniel is abhorrent!

[@saintdominicreview]

@@blueberry3168 Both Aaron and Daniel Mate LOVE "Getting At" the little boys, specifically little blonde, blue-eyed Eastern European boys... Ukrainian orphans are their favorite prey.

[@lf9341]

People believe propaganda more if it comes from a non-biased source. So it pays very well when a Jew attacks the Jewish state. After all, who cares if someone Muslim says something nasty about the Jewish state? But if a Jewish person says it…

[@tena7252]

Max Blumenidiot

[@CarsInDimension]

In psychiatry, oikophobia is an irrational fear of the familiar, in culture and politics it takes the form of hating one's own country and culture.

[@vanessashimoni6548]

I know what oikophobia means but, I can’t help thinking “oikophobia = fear of 🐷😂😂😂. I know, I know, that’s so juvenile. 😂😂😂

[@lf9341]

People believe propaganda more if it comes from a non-biased source. So it pays very well when a Jew attacks the Jewish state. After all, who cares if someone Muslim says something nasty about the Jewish state? But if a Jewish person says it…

[@janinesymondson5324]

I am a South African, and have never found a reason to be proud to be South African. The first time in my life that I have wanted to belong to and have been so proud of a people is after October 7th. I would be more honoured to be Jewish than any other race on the planet. I have never been an antisemite and despise anyone who says all non Jews have antisemitism in them. It’s simply not true!! AM YISRAEL CHAI 🇮🇱🦋🇿🇦

[@user-xz7fk4ou5k]

i have jew blood. my family is named Mayer, we migrated from germany to england and became millers. so...can i please have your house, since you love us so much? i always wanted a holiday escape in south africa. pls reply here. thx! AM YISRAEL CHAI

[@dl1361]

I also despise the lie that all non Jews are hateful and born that way. It’s part of the Zionist brainwashing There are Jews in Damascus and Tehran along with so many other countries We can all get along Every Palestinian and Israeli I’ve met have been very friendly Israel could start letting all the Palestinians married to Israelis have citizenship Peace and love y’all

[@dl1361]

But would you say that you’re a self hating South African? Just like we shouldn’t let praise or criticism get to us I think there’s reason to be grateful for your country and people but not so proud that you think you’re better I’m American and am very grateful for my country I’m not ashamed of our slavery history or what we did to the indigenous people But I’m not ashamed of being white or American either Life is messy

[@janinesymondson5324]

@@dl1361 No I love South Africa and all its people. Just not proud of any government we’ve ever had. It’s one of the most beautiful countries in the world, but I have no reason to be proud. That’s all. It’s Freedom day in South Africa today and my birthday. So you can also have a happy freedom day from me. 🦋

[@drcrocodile1]

This video should have a huge picture of Norman Finkelstein as the thumbnail.

[@user-xd9kj1gm3d]

Yes what a disappointment he is..😡

[@talmid]

​@@user-xd9kj1gm3dN F is just totally gross.

[@susanscherer4570]

And The Soros family

[@blueberry3168]

No, too off putting - makes me want to vomit! 🤢

[@DarrenK-iv4ts]

And Gabor Mate and family

[@coffeeman12345]

“Capitalism: The unknown ideal” is what did it for me. I would respectfully disagree that the 🇺🇸 isn’t facing existential threats like 🇮🇱 is.

[@stevewang2]

People cannot understand how such a small nation, a big underdog, could be so successful.

[@samiannarino7138]

I believe Every Jew should back Israel 100%.

[@mdarrenu]

99% - no one should be a true believer in anything - cause you never know. 99% is enough. 100% means you won't even listen to an argument. Not criticizing you - just adding my thought. But as a Jew, and even me, you are pretty obligated to support Israel - not every policy perhaps - but given the history.

[@mickaziza]

Fascinating

[@garyclark6727]

I believe Every Jew should back in Israel 100%.

[@ProgressiveHouse-]

Sounds like a football team tbh.

[@mikearchibald744]

thats because your crazy.

[@HomeisJax]

I had a fairly crappy day but Razi reading the Drag Queens names made the crap melt away!😏🥰🤣🤣 I should clip it and save it for days like these! Priceless!🤙🏼 Thanks!🙏🏼

[@user-fq5px2yy4l]

To be honest The fact that Jews disagree proves how amazingly aligned they are to the principles of democracy, the rights of the sovereign individuality, the inability to group think. I actually think it adds to the respect of the Jewish people, so I wouldn’t worry about it so much. It proves the point of the low consciousness of the Islamists or other antisemites . Jews should be proud of themselves. And thinking differently from each other is a super power. Pro Zionists Jews should use this as a way to demonstrate how amazing Jews are. I say this as a non Jew/ non Israeli.

[@natalyurshanski8031]

So true and beautiful of you❤!

[@dl1361]

We all disagree Find me two people in total agreement

[@user-fq5px2yy4l]

@@dl1361 yes that’s why it’s so humane within its philosophical approach to life xxx ( yet they can defend themselves) as opposed to the group think of totalitarian beliefs and ideologies where you have to believe or you’re a sinner/ going to hell etc”

[@lesweizman388]

i prefer to label them "asajews" and we have a history of them since the exodus from egypt

[@lifewithrev6939]

😂😂😂 asajews or thisjew … indeed we have… literal karmic incarnations because they don’t learn and we don’t learn to finally deal with them head on.

[@MrSwedjen]

"Where's your Moses now? See." That guy.

[@talmid]

You mean Eruv Rav, or in English, the mixed multitude, people who came out of Egypt with the Bnei Yisroel.

[@lesweizman388]

@@MrSwedjen the funniest part in the movie. and clearly, edward g was directed to do his lines that way. he was actually a very cultured man and a huge zionist

[@lesweizman388]

@@talmid that too. but there were also hebrews who joined with them. which is why we had to sojourn in the desert for 40 years....so that gen would die off. but asajews have popped up through the generations

[@user-bp4rv7io7o]

Neurei Karta aren't antisemitic. It's a religious argument. Of course they are none too keen on secular Jews but for their secularism not their Jewishness.

[@maram6211]

Are you mad? Naturei Karta get paid by Iran, support Hamas and refused to condemn the massacare on Israelis. In their opinion shoa was justified as well. They aren`t jews, they are erev rav

[@saraleigh5336]

How are they not? They are a textbook example. “Religious” doesn’t earn one an automatic pass; they openly work with groups to harm Jews. Your argument applies to Satmar.

[@vanessashimoni6548]

They’re loons that need to be ostracized by the rest of us. I will never tolerate or respect Jews siding with Hamas against their own people.

[@jaialaiwarrior]

A religious argument against allowing Jews to have property or political rights is still functionally antisemitic. They are useful idiots allied with Iran. Don't think Israel's enemies are going to be impressed by Jews who don't have the self-respect to defend Jewish rights, especially in this lifetime.

[@adriennefried5368]

Isn't there a 5th column in all groups???

[@daniellecoh]

Dark Ego Principle

[@Digiphex]

Kafka hated being Jewish. His book The Metamorphosis was just one big kvetch about Jewish families and how awful they were in Kafka’s opinion.

[@amandajephson9964]

In psychology there is a defense mechanism called 'reaction formation', which would apply to self loathing jews who feel uncomfortable/guilty for being Jewish, so their defense is to be Anti-Semitic or Jew loathing.

[@Pasture_Prime]

nope they are straight up Narcissist sociopaths

[@x04-tb7rg]

Unfortunately your comment caries the assumption that these people ate self loathing, so I'd start by looking at your own pathology and reaction formations.

[@amandajephson9964]

@@x04-tb7rg well that is a stupid response... the subject is what it says...read the title of the conversation...and stop adhominim attacks.

[@BrickBreaker21]

Very true, it is like a mechanism to save themselves

[@amandajephson9964]

@@BrickBreaker21 we all have defense mechanisms of different types and that is exactly how they serve us...as protection.

[@yelenapolina8188]

My first time on this forum, great discussion. I always see Jonathan Hoenig on Fox Business with Steward Varney, pleasantly surprised to find him on this forum.

[@mechamongrel-ir2qt]

self-hating or Israel hating?

[@anitamurkes9511]

It’s the intensity and need to be seen and heard in all kinds of media that is so suspicious ! In psychology it’s always a red flag in such cases that points to a deep personal problem !

[@anitamurkes9511]

Goes together ! Why HATE that much ! There are definitely things that can improve in Israel, but if you don’t see that Israel also has contrinuted massively to the world-your wiew is very skewed !

[@mechamongrel-ir2qt]

​@@anitamurkes9511 I hope you can expand that same optimism and understanding towards people who citisice the israel fascist government which has nothing to do with hating jews

[@anitamurkes9511]

@@mechamongrel-ir2qt Yes,definitely .

[@soleknight3212]

Brilliant show with very well made arguments. Thank you

[@rsr789]

So, before Europeans came to the new world, the Inca, Aztecs, etc... were Jew Haters? I mean, how preposterous is that proposition??

[@blueberry3168]

👍🏼

[@paulamarsh1]

That's a puerile comment! The New World had no encounter with Jewish people before..

[@edog101]

Are you really that stupid? You think that’s what they are saying?

[@SandNigah]

Actual clown show 😂

[@leenguy]

Definitely a clown show if all they can do is call Jewish people who are against a genocide to be self loathing and anti-Semitic!

[@eliungar]

You guys seem very confused about Jews who don’t share your political views on Israel. Why don’t you just talk to one of them?

[@edog101]

You don’t listen very well, do you?

[@lurx2024]

I guess being defensive about the failed colonial project that is the state of Israel might lead some to believe that there are some Jews that hate themselves if you want to believe that there is something intrinsically Jewish about Zionism, but I admire the courage and honesty of people like Hannah Arendt, Noam Chomsky, Tony Judt, Jon Stewart, Sam Seder, Marc Maron and a new generation of Jews who refuse to accept that the actions of Israel are a reflection of their religion and their values.

[@johnkohsamui6826]

I really don-t like this phrase "self hating Jew", it's a misnomer, they don't hate themselves, they love themselves, and the worset absolutely adore themselves.

[@charlesbalcher173]

Thanks!

[@AynRandCentreUK]

Thank you!

[@NJIT22]

We talking her about identity and all complexities surrounding this issue. Jews, as people who lived for centuries all over the world, have the most complex identity. The first question should be, do this people identify as Jews and what place, if they identify as Jews, there Jewishness occupy in their psyche. If someone identify as communist 1st and foremost, as middle fingerstien is, then obviously they don’t consider what they feel as “self hating”. We have plenty of other examples, Trotsky is coming to mind. Chomsky has been traumatized as a child for his Jewishness. He was systematically beaten by catholic boys, when he was walking by their school, to elite “central” HS in Philadelphia.

[@mdelcb9915]

Self-hating is essential for communism. National socialism (fascism) aims to achieve collectivism by alienating the difference, as their collective is based on tradition. International socialism (communism) aims to destroy a whole system in order to rebuild it as communism where everyone is equal Fascist collectivism aims to eliminate difference, whereas communist collectivism aims to eliminate your identity (destroy the identity of a society to create a blank canvas, like Mao did during the Cultural Revolution)

[@mdelcb9915]

The irony is that only democracy, the political expression of individualism, accepts individual difference and choice.

[@dl1361]

As American I can own up to the fact that there’s tragedy and horror in our past and yet am not self hating I reject American exceptionalism or indispensability as arrogance that hardens our conscience It’s a great country but I’ve never called it the greatest I also think that a Jew can reject Zionism and still celebrate Judaism There’s no need to conflate being French with France I’m French American

[@marklevy9314]

Being opposed to the ground invasion of Gaza makes one self hating or an anti semite and if you're Israeli who wants a ceasefire you get clouted metaphorically? Amazing (to quote one of the people mentioned).

[@eli-kathrinknudsen3644]

I dont understand. Is it not allowed to critisize actions?

[@jeffreyschwarz3699]

We discussed this in a psychology class. When you are surrounded by people who hate your religion, ethnicity or people, you do not want to stand out and be subjected to their abuse, so as a form of self protection you remain silent or join the group so you will not face the discrimination. In other words you cannot pick on me because I am one of you and just like you.

[@klara2548]

So basically weak and opportunistic. Corrupted coward.

[@winternowww]

Another problem: People are too lazy to contextualize. Many US wars are wrong, some are not. NATO expansion was wrong. Israel support is right.

[@kevinbillington9773]

It's the belief system Leninist/Trotskyist vs Zionism.

[@amoh5]

Palestinians Mosab Hassan Yousef, son of Hamas and Dor Shachar, Jewish convert are excellent resources on the knowledge of Hamas and the Palestinian people 😀

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

Literal mossad agent..aka pathological liar

[@joycegifford8826]

@IllanPappe,NormanFinkelsteinandotherselfhatingjewswhosupportShaiArabs “An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.”Winston Churchill

[@dl1361]

Are all Palestinians crocodiles to you?

[@GracenCourage]

We’re the punching bag of this hypocrite society. Everyone is sweeping their s-t under their rug, and pretending they’re better when in fact they’re the worst.

[@ProgressiveHouse-]

Sophistry is the use of clever but false arguments, often with the intention of deceiving. It involves the use of seemingly logical or persuasive reasoning to defend something that may be inherently flawed or unethical. The panelists should simply assert that the State of Israel is infallible, regardless of whether it is right or wrong rather than confuse listeners with the use of trying to match up people and their opinions with labels to rubbish those ideas to present a discussion based on t labels rather than the arguments given.

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

Is real is definitely not infallible you are obfuscating.

[@ProgressiveHouse-]

@@ellenfarnsworth7111 OK!

[@ProgressiveHouse-]

​@@ellenfarnsworth7111 Obfuscating like Khazars pretending to be Israelites coming from The Rhineland claiming to own Palestine. The Spirit Gods are watching this ridiculous act.

[@kqharvey]

Jonathan Hoenig has been struggling to be relevant since his start as the Capitalist Pig. I will never forget how he stood me up at a scheduled radio interview in Highland Park, IL because the station wasn’t big enough for his ego. This shows his real character.

[@dudebro91-fn7rz]

I guess the name fits

[@raymondjensen4603]

To understand Norm Finkelstein, Bernie Sanders, Gabor Mate, Noam Chomsky..., they are collectivist first, Jews second.

[@sanketrane7311]

Answer to the Title: For the same reason why some crawfish voluntarily crawl in a wok of hot oil.

[@doodlebug684]

I'd like to see you debate those you slap defamatory labels on

[@josietumelty6895]

You are all in agreement.Why didn’t you have one of those historians you ridicule on your show and argue your point.No chance.

[@4evaavfc]

I'm not Jewish, but I agree with what you are saying. Antisemitism is nuts, but it exists.

[@abrahamlevi3556]

Historically it came about with the emancipation of Jews in Europe.

[@kellycook7854]

Please clarify which Eylon Levy you say is Jew-hating. Isn’t one of the current spokesperson for Israel names Eylon Levy?

[@AHappyAvocado]

They are reffering to Gideon Levy

[@kellycook7854]

Thank you.

[@anitamurkes9511]

They probably mean Gideon Levy .

[@soltantio]

Thank you I was super confused by that

[@tomburroughes9834]

Like Jonathan Hoenig, I have encountered the "Patriotic Billionaires", and I was struck not just by their narrow-mindedness and mistaken views about economics, but a sort of shrill malevolence.

[@jalemairliha]

Don't forget Ilan Pappe. Wrote "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine." One of the crappy "New Historians," excluding Benny Morris.

[@posF-kz7zk]

If someone thinks Jews can't be antisemitic because that would be irrational, doesn't this imply they think antisemitism can be a rational posture for others?

[@TonyFiling]

They don’t hate you, YOU hate them. To narcissistic to see it though.

[@simonphuket7782]

Spot on Jonathon with your first comment!

[@hyacinthrose458]

I am not Jewish but I do read the bible and Jewish commentaries about the Torah portions each week along with the Jewish community. From what I understand, there is a group from the time of the Exodus from Egypt that are called Evev Rav. It seems they may be the ones who through unbelief in the God of Israel and thus do not believe in the covenant God made with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob work to undermine the success of the people who actually believe in that covenant. Much like Esau, they have descended from the line of Abraham and Isaac, but lost their "birthright" because it does not mean anything to them because of their unbelief.

[@ellenfarnsworth7111]

Was Albert Einstein a self-hating you know what?

[@leorapr]

amazing

[@SuperMCFIVE]

There's more danger walking throughout Chicago then there is walking throughout Israel

[@MrOreoman11]

Great show! I don’t agree with Jonathan when he said Palestinian culture never will change. I doubt he even agrees with that, maybe he misspoke.

[@jeffreyschwarz3699]

Their dysfunctional culture will not change because they program their children to hate Jews from kindergarten.

[@lt6705]

So why? They've talked a lot about which self-hating Jew hate Jews and how they do that. I still don't understand why they do it. I get that they monetize the hatred but that is more of a result than the reason, I think.

[@jeffreyschwarz3699]

Self protection from abuse

[@lt6705]

@@jeffreyschwarz3699 Who is abusing them?

[@AlexSavillePhoto]

There’s a KZbin video that uses newspaper cuttings to debunk Ilan Pappe’s “the ethnic cleansing of Palestine”.

[@ajl8198]

do you think this whole self hating jew thing starts with karl marx

[@malach9512]

Sadly, I think it's a lot more ancient than Marx. I think it goes back to the very beginning of our history as a people. There were a few really bad ones in the middle ages like Nicolas Donin, Pablo Cristiani, Johannes Pfefferkorn, Geronimo De Santa Fe and Pablo De Santa Maria.

[@saraleigh5336]

Marx was not Jewish. He was raised by two parents who had converted to Christianity before he was born.

[@nancyfriedberg9516]

I don’t like my family, but they’re my family.

[@hiltonroberts8742]

In Shakespeare's Macbeth, there is a line that says " Life's a stage, we are merely the players... We have our entrances and exits" and in the end it all means "Nothing" because it is just in a "play"... In another Shakespeare play The Merchant of Venice , Shylock a prominent business man and a Jew, is ask to have mercy on one , Antonio, whom Skylock knows is an antisemite... but Shylock is adamant as to having his pound of flesh which according to Venetian law is due to him...and the tangled web continues as Portia a law maker and who is some what related to Antonio, enters the stage... and we all know the rest... Will there ever be an end to all these " tragedies" It's just a "play" you know...

[@urielpolak9949]

Not every random jew needs an opinion on israel. But it reflects on all of us.Going back to a world without israel ….. i would feel unsafe

[@TheIsraelProphetess]

💙💙💙 Israel 🇮🇱

[@BrickBreaker21]

Unpacked has a really great video on this.

[@hondafreedom9329]

Thank you for speaking about Noam Chomsky because I am nonplussed by him. Eylon Levy, the spokesperson for Israel??? He is so pro-Israel and for the self-defense of Israel. I'm confused. Yes, I had to read Chomsky in college, way back, but his LAD (language acquisition device theory) is quite fascinating. I am disgusted by him and his anti-Jewish/Israel beliefs.

[@shnitz_world7779]

I think it was Gideon Levy they spoke about

[@Shkedz]

Yonatan's subtle statement implying the ones who protest for an immediate release of the hostages, are operating against their country is absolutely outrageous. The majority of Israel is against Netaniau, believeing he has huuuge part in whatever happened on October 7, by empowering hamas, literally for the past 17 years, and of course in the passing year in which he tried to make a coup. Soooo trying to present this picture in another way is not only faulty and devieving but also delusional. If you are actually for israel, you should be against Netaniau. Any sane person would understand that.

[@soleknight3212]

Is that what he was referring to? If so, then I totally agree with you. I thought he meant those who march against Israeli treatment of Palestinians and/or some kind of anti-Israeli stance. The marches against Bibi are justified. He was involved in Rabin's murder and has always been a war monger. One day, he will need to be brought to justice for his crimes. I thought much of what the panel said, other than that, was spot on.

[@Shkedz]

I'm afraid that's what he meant, yes. In any case, I agree with you. I came across this video, not knowing this channel beforehand, and I was curious about the content. Indeed I agree with 99.9% of what's being told. However I get the feeling that some of the people in this panel don't want or simply can't face the enormous elephant in the room. Which is the unprecedented amount of responsibility that this government, and Netanyau in particular, have on the state that we're currently in. Unfortunately, antisemitism almost always existed and always will exist. And like the sea it has tides. Nowadays post Oct. 7th, and the current atmosphere, Jewish hatred for long time haven't been that far from being a taboo. Unfortunately the current Israeli government doesn't help much with that. And that's a huge understatement. Long story short, we can keep blaming this self-hating jew and that one, and it's all true. But eventually if we don't uproot the source of the problem, which is an insane power-driven, corrupt dictator who takes the Israeli nation as a whole in captivity, then we will never be able to bring hope and change for the future generations. This is where everything begins and where it ends. Had I been wrong, we wouldn't have faced the most horrible times Israel had ever faced since its establishment. It happened under his control, following 17 consecutive years of his various governments. His responsibility.@@soleknight3212

[@soleknight3212]

@@Shkedz Great comment. Both sides need to take responsibility. The Palestinian side/Hamas and the far felt virtually never take responsibility. By the same token, we as Jews and Israel must face its role in all this. Rabin is one of my heroes and he showed what is possible (under great threat to himself personally). Bibi has definitely been a part of this mess and one day the truth must come out. I only pray for peace for both sides. Enough is enough

[@Shkedz]

Thank you. I also admired Rabin. I only could wish there was any politician today that is 0.01% of what Rabin was, and stood for. Instead, the exact opposite have been happening. The same person who bragged holding Rabin's car symbol, as some sort of a mean of threat, shortly before murdered, is the same miserable scumbag who in the year 2024 happens to be the minister of internal security. Thanks again to we all know who. I sure hope you're right, and that justice will be done. That he will be punished for all this suffer he caused. I just hope it won't be on the expense of us all, Israelis and Jews. For peace we can only pray,@@soleknight3212

[@mdarrenu]

The reason Israel gets picked on is actuall ybecause of the racist view of people about these other countries that don't get picked on - because they unconsciously know the other countries could never be expected to act this civil. That is why the US and England get criticized. Its funny (chuckle) that the criticizing people don't realize they are making an -ist stereotype that the other countries are not expected to act this moral. (I edited some typos).

[@jonrosen1699]

You guys are on to something critical here - because I imagine you hope to change minds and make a difference in this world. In learning how to seduce women (of all things!), pick-up artists seek ones displaying strong emotions. They operate under the premise that Behind every fear is a desire. I.e., The one thing they can’t work with is apathy. There’s a ton to say about this. I’ll just suggest that this conversation has great potential to open new doors.

[@BARRIE-Chgo]

What does Christopher Smit have against Morgan who has a degree in Philosophy?

[@melo39987]

However, supporting the terrorist-sponsored state of Palestine would make any Jew (and decent person) not only an antisemite, but anti democratic, and anti liberal.

[@markomarko1341]

Bless you , baruch hashem ❤

[@verbena987]

Here in Austria, there are two authors every antisemite loves: Finkelstein and Miko Peled! 👎 Proving they are "not antisemites" Sad story...

[@user-ht7bp6hy1y]

I think the common thread here is Marxism and related ideologies promotes anti semitism and encourages jewish members of the theology to par take in the past time 😊

[@johnwatts8346]

israel has a right to exist even if its founding was morally dubious (im not saying it was, im saying even if it was- they won a war 75yrs ago and became a nation, end of). but regarding the usa- an ethnic groups that is 2.5% of the population having a massively off the charts outsized amount of power influence and people at the top in so many areas is a contentious issue even if ALL the success was gained entirely via merit, its still an issue and some are not gonna be too cool with it. i dont question israel, but i question that, and im not an antisemite.

[@joelashdod7712]

The problem with your argument is that you have to decide what kind of country you want to live in. Do you want to live in a meritocracy where the best and hardest working are rewarded and grow an economy from which everyone benefits or do you a country based on political/religious affiliation?

[@johnwatts8346]

@@joelashdod7712 i dont know about any of that or care, not my business, i live on the other side of the world- NZ a very stable peaceful nation. we dont have any strife of this kind obviously,.

[@12Squared]

A better, more palatable and interesting linguist that I'd recommend is John McWhorter. And I was hoping that you had one thread, one answer... and it sounds like you're as baffled by the self-hate of individuals as the rest of us. I have a friend who is Jewish (both by social lessons AND religion by upbringing and now neither by choice) and went radio silent on everything Israel at the start of this war and will ignore references to anything to do with it. He's non-practicing and anti-Israel and a complete mystery to me. He won't even answer questions about it from any angle and so I'd hoped to get a glimpse into what might be sitting in there from you, and what I have is more questions. Thank you for pointing at the same spot that would lead men to be anti-male radical feminists and homosexual men who hate gays... I do think there's a valid comparrison and possibly an answer there. Even the "Americans hate America more than anyone else" is a good place to look. :( Thank you for your time and all of your good conversation here where we can think about it and learn from it.

[@lou.yorke.x]

Tough love? A "do better" criticism? I bet that's what they'd say, even though it seems much deeper than that.

[@jamiehoran3901]

Yonatan. Your question is the best one asked. What do we mean by Jewish? Here's what I think of when I consider that question. Ethnicity first. Religious second Tribal not at all unless it is in the context of the 12 tribes of Israel. Also, here's what I never think, despite what some shithead says about non-Jews. I never think antisemetically. That's about as stupid a thing as thinking in racial terms when considering a group. Jews are people. They are as varied in all of life's pursuits as people from any other group. Lastly, this nonsense from self-hating Jews like those mentioned is something akin to Rand's take on altruism. Malignant Altruism is what I'd call it. Much like malignant narcissism it satiates a need for self-affirmation to the point of obtaining it even at the expense of an altruistic offer of denigration of the group one belongs to. And yes, it is nuianced.

[@hondafreedom9329]

Amy Goodman from Democracy Now! What do you think?

[@blueberry3168]

Yes! Soo creepy and self consciously woke!!! 🤢

[@truthprevails5173]

Is she Jewish?

[@Seekthetruth3000]

She laughs all the way to the bank.

[@mdelcb9915]

Remember Max Naumann? Germany 1930s. It didn't end well.

[@ladym1910]

Would you call the apparent minority of Germans who were against Hitler's Germany, "self-hating"? You left out Miko Peled, Max Blumenthal, Avi Shlaim , Gabor, Daniel and Aaron Mate from your list. It might actually have been interesting if you discussed the ideas of those that you seem to loath, instead of using meaningless expletives and smug self-congratulations. This is the first and last time that I will watch your channel.

[@edog101]

Considering the moral and physical devastation Hitler’s ideas brought to Germany, his prescient critics were the biggest German patriots of all.

[@mdarrenu]

I am not anti-Israel. I don't live in Israel so I can have no idea or credibility to speak on the situation of security given the smallness of the country. As for Israelis, I don't care too much for them in general - due to the stereotypes of being pushy, etc. I give people a fair shake but that is my experience. I never got along with most American Jews either - again, my experience and they were either too rich, too alternative, or too religious.

[@talsapps]

Jessie lee peterson is not a self hating black..

[@user-er2ih3xi1f]

He sees the hypocrisy of the so-called “black leaders” and their supporters in the “black community”

[@HillelAlon]

🙏

[@coffeeman12345]

What would this crowd say about a Christopher Hitchens that was critical of both 🇮🇱 and the rest of the ☪️ middle-east? As well as being critical of both the west 🇺🇸 and the Communist world? 🇨🇳 🇷🇺… 🤔

[@rsr789]

Christopher Hitchens was proven to be utterly wrong about every one of his positions about the ME.

[@paulamarsh1]

​@@rsr789please clarify this. I understood Hitchens was anti Islam but pro Palestinian? 🤷

[@Alrosa5837]

the haggadah teaches us explicitly how to respond. see the archetypal sons

[@garyclark6727]

israel=moral's=🤔

[@johnwatts8346]

isnt the self loathing chosenite a cliche / not uncommon? and yes- it is very much the csse that everyone is a little bit anti semitic, but then eveyrone is tribal and also a little but r ist and x ist too. tacitly chauvinistically its human nature.

[@marinas7772]

Thank you. Am Israel Hai!

[@kaisersoza7937]

I support Israel, and as a practical matter and to insure security. Use the Arab definition of Jewish. Safer that way. Bless Israel

[@christianx8494]

Either you are a Kahanist or one of those „Selfhaters“ or Antisemites, right? To be honest, I prefer not to be a Kahanist.

[@pulinpatel4573]

Crusades, 2.0 Good luck, Islam

[@spartacusforlife1508]

I wonder if non nazi's were called self hating Germans

[@froggo3963]

This is anti-Semitic because it is a libelous, heinous claim against the Jewish people that is obviously false. Jewish self determination in the holy land =/ nazism. Jews caring about themselves, taking care of themselves and defending themselves is not comparable to Nazi Germany.

[@AlexSavillePhoto]

I think they were called “dead” or “about to be dead”.

[@darita654]

I stoped listening at the point where you equate feminism to men hating. And I am not a person who questions the right of Israel to exist. I had better go listen to Noa Tishby or Dr. Einat Wilf. They make much more sense than you. Sorry, guys.

[@478AB92]

Seth Rogan

[@anitamurkes9511]

Is Owen Jones jewish ? Thought he wasn’t !

[@SkillandChillParenting]

I don’t know your Name but the Founder of this Channel should Visit Israel. A Rav said that when Israel has Issues Jews should come even if it means they are sitting in their rented Apartment all day long just to support Israel.