A Response, Retraction & Rebuke

[@KeithWilkinson-g7b]

Hi thank for your excellent channel and all you and others like According to Carl in the UK and Mark Mayes are doing. I retired after a 37 year career as an anaesthetist and I’ve always had an interest in true crime and in particular miscarriages of justice. To me this is one of the worst ever and the way Lucy has been treated is absolutely horrific. There’s so much cominge to light now which I feel will lead to either the quashing of all her convictions or a re-trial. Keep up you great work- I hope it gets seen by as many people as possible.

[@richardmullins44]

6:13 This is a stitch up of Letby on an industrial scale.

[@hopeisthething1965]

Thank you so much, The Ducking Stool. Your videos on this are brilliant.

[@jar942]

Retired nurse here, thanks to all who are coming to her aid…..sending love from America

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@@jar942 Thank you. Nurses and ex-nurses such as yourself are I suspect going to give the most weight to social media comment sections!

[@jar942]

@@cupofteawithpoetryabsolutely

[@lilibetfellinger8641]

Thank you for such patience in dealing with this person and her comments.You are amazing! To say the least, this person is ill informed. All your work is of very high standard. I have followed good and bad, but this person takes the cake! If anything, it makes my blood boil that there are brains out there that are so dysfunctional! Please keep up your good work!

[@hopeisthething1965]

Amazing detail here - hitting all the powerful arguments with great clarity. Excellent presentation - real, human, direct. Totally convincing. #FreeLucyLetby #LucyLetbyisInnocent

[@jar942]

Lucy’s ordeal is a great example of misogyny committed by both men and women…..as a retired American nurse I saw the role of the power of the nurse slowly diminish as the hospitals became more and more business like….and guess who were the ones that used their misogyny to climb this corporate ladder…..women….fellow nurses who felt it too degrading to be just a floor nurse and used every nasty narcissistic, passive aggressive tactic to climb the ladder and they could have cared less how their fellow women were treated…yes, they could put on their sweet womanly caring masks so well, but underneath they were monsters

[@BernieRowlands-d4o]

Must have taken quite some time and thought to put this together. Good on you for calling out those outrageous comments. Respect to you.

[@8888Dino8888]

Well done your doing a fantastic job. Don’t let these rude stupid people take up so much of your time. Concentrate on the helping Lucy getting out of is a clear cover up. The way they have treated that poor girl in unbelievable.

[@markwhite3958]

Another great video, very informative and passionate. Its been an eventful week and we have to believe that Lucy has moved nearer to her release. FREE LUCY LETBY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@EcoSailor]

I remember watching a statement from Stella Assange at around the time of Julian's release from Belmarsh during which she spoke about the "punishment by process" that he had been subjected to whilst never having been convicted of a crime. It appears that this is now standard practice in Britain's "for profit" prison system. It's shameful and quite terrifying.

[@davestokes3446]

Hi Ducks, Thanks for this excellent video.

[@tasha24-7]

Brilliant Ducking Stool, thanks

[@idi0tdetectioninprogress]

Its vile how defendants are treated in the build up to and when attending Court. Legalised bullying and abuse, psychological warfare going on. I bet none of that is in Thirlwall's recommendations.

[@lennyrussell8954]

@@idi0tdetectioninprogress Yes almost as vile as having this BS rammed down your throat when your children have been killed by a narcissistic nurse.

[@hopeisthething1965]

The ACTUAL transcripts.

[@mandian2]

Brilliant ! Some fresh info that I haven't heard before ! Oh my ! Those CSTCR followers, so rude ! pointing to zero knowledge to argue their beliefs, they don't realize that stands out a mile to thinking human beings...,

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

@mandian2 It. Really is telling when somebody says "well how come deaths stopped as soon as she left?"

[@mandian2]

@@Ida_Dunne_Moore It certainly is !

[@JulieLevinge]

Triplets should never have been at COCH neonatal unit! Was stunned that COCH couldn’t even offer one on one care to ICU babies💔 Horror story from start to finish💔💔💔💔💔💔💔 Standard of care in COCH neonatal unit was utterly terrifying!🤯

[@ruthbashford3176]

Another very good video. This idiots ignorance about the case is unbelievable.

[@davestokes3446]

But sadly, very common.

[@JulieLevinge]

Just got a message from someone saying LL didn’t attend the sentencing & had notes at home? This apparently is irrefutable evidence that she’s a psychopathic killer??🙄 Alarming that so many people actually have zero critical thinking skills at all. Even not understanding the word “evidence”or even what I would have thought fairly simple “ reasonable doubt”? Defence should never excepted that any murders happened at the COCH. Sadly impossible to have a rational conversation with anyone about this particular miscarriage of justice is not possible. These babies & parents were horrifically let down by the NHS & this failing unit. It obviously should have been downgraded long before this happened. But this 🧙🏻‍♀️ hunt has literally saved managers & consultants from any responsibility, by blaming a nurse.✊❤️

[@dmgsoultogetherness6667]

i like this lady's voice .

[@ginnythwaite]

Excellent rebuttal, bravo.

[@turquoiseblue228]

👍👏👏👏

[@williamhallett327]

Your channel is excellent thank you, making key points very effectively about the inadequate care in the hospital and the sickening scapegoating of Lucy Letby

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

I've only just realised why you've created your thumbnail like it is. Vera DUCKworth! Love it! 😅😅

[@hopeisthething1965]

I've only just got that, too! Brilliant!

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

@@cupofteawithpoetry dammit - it's Bet Lynch. But that is quite apposite

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@@Ida_Dunne_Moore Oh yes! I see what you mean! I'm not too good with faces!!

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@hopeisthething1965 🤣

[@JulieLevinge]

Parents stories are utterly 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

I wonder if getting Lucy to court late was a tactic to get her more flustered and stressed before being questioned? You then have in the dock a young girl who's been sat for 2 1/2 hours in the back of a van and flustered with little or no time to calm herself before being presented to the nasty questioning of Nicholas Johnson KC, limited support from her defence team. If as I suspect, Lucy is on the autistic spectrum, this stress and being so late to court and flustered and unprepared would have created a shut down experience - where our brains are so stressed and overwhelmed that we would be virtually unable to answer questions or defend ourselves, because we literally can't think anymore. If she is on the autistic spectrum, its my theory that this is why she was not good at defending herself - plus a limited Theory of mind (TOM), which makes innocent autistic defendants fair very badly on the courtroom, as we're less able work out the games the prosecution barrister is playing /where the line of questioning is going and we dont know so well how we might mislead the jury into thinking we're guilty if we say something the wrong way.

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

@cupofteawithpoetry Well if it's not a deliberate tactic, it will undoubtedly be the consequence. There is almost no acknowledgment or discussion of what PTSD does to your ability to engage with the moment, to remember things and talk to people. It's a massive form of shock in the brain that interrupts so much, and can result in physical damage. Lucy Letby won't have had a chance to even get to grips with it. At this stage, obviously it would br exacerbated every day by hearing people calling her a murderer. I'm amazed she has withstood it at all and isn't a gibbering wreck

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@Ida_Dunne_Moore Exactly. I'm suprised she didn't have a complete nervous breakdown really, if as we suspect, she is innocent. Lucy must have such inner strength if, as we suspect, this is a miscarriage of justice. I would have crumbled and left at the first suspicion that I'd been given the nickname Nurse Death!

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

@@cupofteawithpoetry Well, medication may have insulated her

[@jar942]

@@Ida_Dunne_Mooresadly if she was on anti depressants, they probably didn’t help….there is evidence that these really aren’t effective as they are advertised to be….what they probably didn’t help was dull her making her affect so dull in the courtroom…I am sure it did not make her look sympathetic to the jury……but isn’t that just like the medical system has historically done to women….when they show too much emotion, they put them in an asylum and/ medicate them…..hell they used to do hysterectomies on them in Victorian times

[@jolantahill787]

She was handcuffed into a small car and said she had problems with her knees but nobody helped her with moving her legs into this car whilst handcuffed at her home. LucyLetby’s human rights have been violated for several years now. Lucy Letby is innocent. Where is Justice❓

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

Agreed!

[@DianaMaryM]

Thankyou. Please keep making these.❤

[@Brian-cm5gw]

Free Lucy

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@@Brian-cm5gw 👍👊🤝🙏🤞

[@williamhallett327]

The treatment of Ms Letby during the trial amounts to a form of torture

[@jamieh46]

Where r these transcript exerts from ? Where did u find it ?

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

Tried by Stats had these

[@nickdandel5314]

Hi Ducking Stool and that's another great video! You have seen the video on loose women where a BBC reporter Judith Moritz gives the reasons why she thinks LL is guilty. It's simply outrageous and so provocative that I recommend a complaint against the BBC and the reporter. After admitting there is no direct evidence against LL, no CCTV, no witnesses, no forensic evidence, no motive and nothing much against her the reporter concluded she must be guilty because she seemed emotionless in the court, was 'struggling' to answer some questions and the way she behaved was abnormal. On the top of this another member of the panel said that LL was convicted because she enigmatic! If she was sympathetic then she could have been found innocent! This is outrageous and it must be challenged.

[@jenniferpatton5108]

#SaveOurNHS Letby may be a scapegoat of CAPITALIST privatization.

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

@jenniferpatton5108 yes, entirely possible. The fact is the hospital is paid more for looking after vulnerable babies. This level of competition in health care does not seem acceptable to me

[@JulieLevinge]

How on earth was the COCH neonatal unit allowed to break so many very basic rules in the care of these very vulnerable babies.💔💔

[@jar942]

As a nurse, putting the sewage aside, the nurse manager bares a lot of the blame…I’ve had good and bad nurse managers in my 40 year career, they all have the same characteristics Good managers run a tight ship and they do not let the bullies interfere or give free rein….not talking consultants, I am talking fellow nurses. Lucy had pranks played on her by others and she was publicly laughed at….carl in uk had good example in 1 of his videos….. If a doctor treated a nurse badly, the manager would speak to them privately or run it up the chain of command Never, ever have I seen a nurse be allowed to just leave a hand off note and allow the patient to be left unmonitored by another nurse until next shift….yes, you can leave early sometimes if things are slow….but you give a verbal handoff to another nurse so she can monitor until next shift A good manager would have been apoplectic over the fact that there was sewage in the sinks, let alone pseudomonas…..never ever let that one sit…..absolutely go ballistic if it wasn’t treated A good manager allows only 1 type of nurse near freedom….the good one…she trusts this nurse and her judgement….I myself, was put in charge of training new nurses, on my word alone, the nurse manager sacked a trainee whom I thought was awful….a bad manager uses the bullies to maintain order…..much like they did in Nazi concentration camps…..fellow inmates were rewarded by the Nazis if they kept the prisoners in line…..I left my last job, retired early because seeing the bullies harass fellow coworkers was just too much for me….i wasn’t harassed, others were, I did everything by the book, went to HR etc……

[@jar942]

Bad managers often give the appearance of caring…..total ruse…..they use passive, aggressiveness as their tool

[@idi0tdetectioninprogress]

​@@jar942Anything related to water systems and building defects should be captured by Facilities Management, whether that be in house or contracted out. In any event there should be an in house manager who has overall responsibility for Health and Safety and sub contractors. In the UK we cannot sub contract out our Health and Safety obligations. An effective water management system, comprising of everything from temperature checks, to sterilisation, to sampling and lab reports, is part of how we demonstrate Health and Safety compliance. Its negligent and a dereliction of legal responsibility, to not manage reasonably foreseeable Health and Safety issues.

[@jar942]

@ so much info in that…..shows that Lucy put in a Datix on the baby O incident about there not being able to get in an iv because the baby was so swollen…..and that breary re edited it and said he got one in…..this is also the incident where during the day, the consultant caring the crash beeper was the mysterious woman from the famous 4….it took her 40 minutes to respond. I bet Lucy put that also in this incident report. So easy now to see why they went after Lucy……..if you see or hear anything about a “ white out lung” on an X-ray let me know. I heard or read it somewhere and can’t find it……bet it had something to do with one of the famous 4, probably the famous tv doctor

[@jar942]

@@idi0tdetectioninprogress totally agree, I had some awesome nurse managers in my day……who would have gone “ ape shit nuts” if there was pseudomonas found in the faucets…..would have made the building facilities managers life a living hell until fixed….not only for the sake of the babies but her own nurses as well….just like a benevolent officer who treats his troops well, you treat your troops well…. They fight better or in a hospital setting nurse better

[@jar942]

Ducking stool, your videos remind me of the late but great Magdalen Berns….oh she had some great response lines😂😂😂😂😂

[@Ida_Dunne_Moore]

@jar942 that is the GREATEST compliment I could ever imagine! I fainted!

[@hopeisthething1965]

YES!! hadn't made the connection - but absolutely YES!

[@jar942]

@@Ida_Dunne_Moore oh well as an American, may I thank you UK for giving us American woman your Magdalen…..I did not until recently find her old videos…..America over the summer was having a lot of issues with the same shit she was dealing with….freaking fell in love with her…..oh the poor thing had a glioma….. but even with the tumor she was hilarious….my favorite line Ya fuckin wanker….😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@jar942]

@@Ida_Dunne_Moore oh please please please do a video where you put in Magdalen Berns responses to the weirdos….I pray you can do this without some copyright thing…..would be as hilarious as Mark Mayes impersonation of crime to court room…..us troops need these humorous bits…….i spent the entire morning trying to get a handle on all the complex medical stuff that went on…..I am an experienced nurse and I’m having trouble understanding, the poor jurors…no way could they grasp it

[@jar942]

@@Ida_Dunne_Moore…. I was the one that noticed your love of magdelan berns……might I make another suggestion, that might make a great post? Florence Nightingale….skip the crap that came out in the 1980 s portraying her as some nut job relgious zealot, who was against women suffrage……focus on her brilliant statistical work…the pole diagram….how she fought the doctors in the Crimean war, went over their heads and got the sanitation department in to clean things up. She then turned to using statistical data to advocate for sanitation everywhere, even in colonized countries…. She also established nursing as one of the first professions women could thrive in and made education its priority. I am saying this as a retired nurse……so many of Florence’s proven theories were not done at Chester hospital…… the filth in labor ward and nicu, ignoring nurses, Lucy getting in trouble for going a over the consultants heads by doing Datix,….I just research the huge maternity scandal called Ockenden inquiry which highlighted shrewsbury and Telford….started 2017, first report 2020, final report 2023…..sort of coincides with Lucy doesn’t it…..if you don’t care about maternity issues, you don’t care about women….I say this as an American whose own country’s maternity care in many areas is crap……

[@jar942]

Now now now….lets give cs2c credit….after all he did show us that Lucy’s home was next to a cemetery😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@@jar942 Oh yes 😅😅

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@jar942 Oh, and don't forget the old 'she had a shredder when she'd said she didn't have a shredder' routine 😲 It's horrific.

[@jar942]

@@cupofteawithpoetry c2 courtroom guy reminds me of some great Monty python skits….when I listen to him( not Mark Mayes), I envision putting him in Monty Python and the Holy Grail….. the killer bunny scene….. where he is accusing Lucy of being the killer bunny, it makes me laugh so loud, my family thinks I’m schizophrenic……. What I wouldn’t give to meet that crazy guy on the street….I would look him straight in the eye and say……. I fart in your general direction, your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries 😂😂😂😂😂😂 Shame I’d be arrested if I were to fling barn yard animals at him….however just the thought makes me laugh…John Cleese my fav Monty python guy

[@cupofteawithpoetry]

@@jar942 😅😅 Python was so surreal and very funny! 🤣

[@lennyrussell8954]

This video sums up everything about Letby supporters and their delusional opinions on a child killer. The facts are these she has been found guilty by TWO different juries of murder and attempted murder and had TWO leave to appeals turned down. Her defence has cost the tax payer over a million pounds and the only defence witness called was a plumber. This week an MP has tried to get the government to look into her case attended by a handful of MPs but was shut down by the justice minister, now maybe this isn't enough for you but I am sure it is for the parents of the deceased.

[@davestokes3446]

Go back to CS2C where you belong. You are deluded in believing the likes of Dewdrop Evans who has absolutely no credibility while ignoring the evidence coming from 50+ real experts across multiple fields. Dewdrop made a fool of himself right at the beginning by stating that: "Healthy babies don't suddenly drop dead". While being strictly speaking correct, apparently healthy babies do - with a scarily high frequency; it's called Sudden Infant Cot-death Syndrome. But, these were very sick babies, that's why they were in an ICU. With several weighing less than a quarter of the optimal weight, several having gone through less than three-quarters of the optimum gestation period, most having no functional immune system, several having genetic defects, all being exposed to raw sewage (particularly dangerous coming from people so sick they were in hospital), antibiotic resistant pathogens coming out of the taps, doctors who could only manage 2 ward rounds a week when there should have been 2 per day, insufficient nurses with Letby (at the tender age of 25) being the most experienced of them and a hospital report saying that it was performing so badly that it had to be down-graded preventing it from taking on any more vulnerable cases. Conditions were similar in the maternity ward with there being a spike in still-births, or perhaps you think she was responsible for those deaths too.

[@turquoiseblue228]

Your comment sums up everything about the CS2C supporters. Thinking that because the judicial system has found her guilty, she IS guilty. Now sweetheart, type 'university of exeter miscarriage of justice' on your little keyboard, and you will be taken to the register of miscarriages of justice in the UK which totals more than 500 cases as we speak. All of them were found guilty by juries. All of them had their conviction overturned. Have a good evening sweetheart!

[@lennyrussell8954]

@@turquoiseblue228 And of course this must be one of them everyone has their own opinion on her guilt or innocence and that's fine but you really shouldn't be involving other KZbin channels in your argument, if you feel that strongly about it why don't you set up a crowd funding appeal to get her out.

[@turquoiseblue228]

@@lennyrussell8954 Even with millions of pounds, how can one 'get her out'?

[@davestokes3446]

And The Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) can confirm that as of 29 August 2023 the total prosecution costs stand at £2,504,245.06, the result of an FOI request. As with the American presidential elections, the richest side has a hell of an advantage. The British justice system is supposed to find out who is guilty of what, not which is the richest side. Lo and behold, the crown is the richer. I'm sure that the parents of the deceased would now be far happier if nobody had raised the issue of imaginary foul play. Imaginary? There has not been a shred of evidence that has stood up to independent scrutiny.