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[@johnjasonchun7905]

Chambered 11 years Glock 🤣

[@ASPextra]

Hopefully not the same round!

[@housewifeuntilheaven1593]

Active Self Protection Extra lol, great response🤣

[@getoffmylawn8986]

Chambered for 45 years. No issues.

[@ventarfield7115]

Your Pal Ever heard of indexing your weapon pal? 11 years and I bet his pencil is just fine.

[@michigan9564]

@@dattape2828 jackass!

[@bassblaster162]

When it comes to topics like this I ask myself, what would a badguy prefer? 1. That I not carry a firearm. 2. If I do carry one, that I not be proficient with it. 3. If I carry it & I'm proficient with it, to not carry with a round in the chamber, because his gun will have one in the chamber. Knowing that, I'm going to do the opposite of what the badguy prefers, because when they decide to do evil, they make sure they're as ready as can be. So if he's got one in the chamber...well so will I, because like you say John, it is a race isn't it? Be the opposite of what the criminal element wants us to be.

[@AndiRose21]

Which includes being trained and capable, not just armed.

[@bassblaster162]

@@AndiRose21 Yep, that's why I included being proficient.

[@AndiRose21]

@@bassblaster162 Absolutely. You hit every. single. point. Best response I read.

[@bassblaster162]

@@AndiRose21 Thank you

[@travelingman484]

Yeah I totally and completely disagree with the lawyer. Now, you should train with your firearm absolutely. But as Massad Ayoob and Ken Hackathorn say. Anyone that carries a gun without a round in the chamber is an idiot.

[@mikerenfro4608]

I think your seat belt analogy was the winner in the debate. I limit the risk of a negligent discharge by carrying a double action/single action pistol.

[@LuvBorderCollies]

ND or AD were rare during the police revolver era but when Glocks became vogue the ND/AD shot through the roof. No pun intended. If someone thinks they require a 2.5 lb trigger to hit anything, they better spend the money on practice than on gadgets to "make them shoot better".

[@GinEric84]

I have a zero percent chance of an ND because I don't finger fuck my gun. It lives in its holster.

[@ourcorrectopinions6824]

The seatbelt analogy was not well-thought out. Not wearing a seatbelt as a driver can get others killed rather easily, since a driver flying through a windscreen or even bumping their head and losing consciousness can get the passengers and other drivers/pedestrians in the path of danger or death. This is a frequent occurrence, so that analogy was plain wrong and the probability is much higher of getting in a car accident than having to use or accidentally discharge a firearm.

[@evanogburn]

@@LuvBorderCollies No stock striker fired gun designed for duty or carry comes from the factory with a 2.5lb trigger. Those increases in accidents show a lack of training, not a problem with gear. If you are reliant on ANYTHING to prevent you from having an ND other than your safe handling of firearms, whether that be a heavy trigger or a manual safety, it is just a crutch.

[@Mr.Eclectic]

This is a perfect example of how to conduct a civil discussion regarding different points of view regarding guns, etc. There wasn't any testosterone filled statements or attitudes. Good job!

[@chr1s391]

this is how you make progress

[@bruceli9094]

Imagine having this with a Liberal. They wouldn't last 2 seconds without getting crzy

[@mattmodena8299]

Oh sure, it was a it was a good conversation and fair. Fair. The attorney, comma unlike I expected, is completely wrong. His analogies are just idiotic and they are based off of the fact that a professional made a mistake and now that is the baseline for civilians. If this is true And we were not allowed to carry one in the pipe, comma that will cost lives of intelligent legend gun handlers. Stupidity at its finest It is to carry a weapon and attempt to rack it in an adrenaline state.

[@mikealbert3516]

@@mattmodena8299 That is an opinion that I agree with AND it is backed up by significant evidence. It is, however, still an opinion. I thought the attorney made some good points. For example, I don't agree that it is legitimate that racking a slide for deterrence is a good idea since, if you have time to do that, you are probably illegally threatening or "brandishing", (depending where you are.) I do agree, though, that if it crosses your mind to carry on an empty chamber, and you are not willing to leave your gun at home in the safe that day, PLEASE carry with an empty chamber! Also, the attorney probably knows that most modern handguns are equipped with many passive safeties AND designed to always be paired with modern holsters, but he may not be aware of how much that actually improves the safety of carrying in condition one. Unintentional discharges today are almost always the result of negligence. I can't even think of an actual "accidental" discharge with a modern pistol, either hypothetically , or in a real situation that isn't highly suspect (including the RCMP/ P-320 "incident"), I just included "almost" in case someone has. I would even guess that there is a higher rate of NDs with double action only revolvers than modern pistols due to a false sense of safety and the complacency it invites. (As i said- just a guess. Feel free to correct me if that is not true...)

[@masterlee1372]

I see both points. I choose to carry with one on the chamber because I know how to carry it that way.

[@ASPextra]

Solid!

[@sk8erguyjake]

Great discussion. I carry with a round in the chamber, but because I typically carry in a belly band holster I do have to administratively handle more than I’d like (taking firearm into and out of holster). For this reason I do carry with a thumb safety activated. Have a process, do what you can to minimize the risk, and be disciplined. Analyze your process and evaluate it. I think mistakes get made when people are just being casual and not affording the respect to the firearm that it deserves

[@Mockturtlesoup1]

Holy balls. Mandatory prison time for an ND? That blows my mind. I live in CT and I'm now terrified to even look up what the law is on that here. Granted, I haven't(yet) had an ND, but it's just one of those things that is almost inevitable the longer you own and use guns.

[@CaptainCrunch823]

Glad to hear this gentleman validate how I’ve been thinking about this. I rack a round in the rare occasion that I’m going somewhere sketchy.

[@ASPextra]

Man, please don't do that. Go watch the main channel.

[@CaptainCrunch823]

@@ASPextra Thanks for your passion about the topic of self defense and all of the great videos! I have listened to and understand the various arguments for keeping one chambered. After much consideration I have come to decision that I'm not comfortable carrying chambered most of the time so would rather carry unchambered than not carry at all. Perhaps my perspective will change in the future after watching more of your great content :)

[@mothwa]

I love this man's briefs. They fit so well for my lifestyle.

[@keithlandry6533]

Two rules of fire arm handling, 1. Treat every fire arm as if it's loaded. 2. Never point a fire arm at anything you don't intend to destroy.

[@richardle7469]

And biggest keep your finger off trigger.

[@robertmullin7884]

I like how you are discussing a sensitive topic. The basic design of a gun is to fire a projectile. The problem is the gun does not control itself. The gun only fires when a cartridge is chambered. The responsibility, no matter how it fires, is on whoever has the gun in hand. Yes you should know the laws about gun use, and you should know that you are the one responsible for its use.

[@Jarhead6]

I have seen Marines carrying Condition 3 because of the same reasons . So commanders don’t even trust their Marines to carry a chambered weapon. That is crazy!

[@ASPextra]

Seems insane to me. If a Marine can't be trusted, then they shouldn't wear the EGA.

[@guyworthington6470]

I have seen Marines impregnate a bowling ball.

[@tackytrooper]

On the whole most commanders in the military treat the rank and file like a bunch of 8 year olds.

[@kichigaisensei]

Nice discussion. I think with a proper holster and avoidance of unnecessary handling really reduces the chance of negligent discharge as John suggests. Arm up in the morning with the gun and holster as a unit. Disarm in the evening the same way. And have a GOOD QUALITY holster.

[@piehound]

I definitely agree negligent discharge is bad. How any particular individual handles that risk is open to personal choice. Whether it be (1) Never carry a round in the chamber. Or (2) Always carry a round in the chamber, but be so well trained and so careful that you never make unnecessary administrative errors when handling the gun. Or (3) Carry a round in the chamber only for specified conditions and specified circumstances. In any case owning a gun is no child's game. It's a serious consideration. The lives of people are on the line.

[@ChuckNorris-sk6wm]

He is awesome. He would definitely get my business if I was in Arizona and had any issue where I needed a lawyer.

[@reprosser]

Great video. Reasonable people with rational discussion and disagreement. So rare....Here is what I got from it: If your situation is set where you don't do much administrative handling - one in the chamber can be low risk because of less opportunity of a negligent discharge. If you have a lot of handling - more chance of negligent discharge and maybe one in the chamber bumps up the risk beyond what you feel is acceptable for your situation. I had not looked at things from this perspective before. I carry with one in the chamber and very minimal handling, so the risk is acceptable for me.

[@redbaroncarwash]

John, I think that the attorney very capably made this point: Carrying C1 is not a black & white issue. We in the gun community do a disservice by blindly repeating goofy phrases like: * A C3 gun is as useless as a brick/stapler/no gun at all. * If you don't carry C1, you shouldn't carry at all. * If you don't carry C1, you need more training. * If you don't carry C1, you are afraid of your gun. * C3 is the same as putting your seatbelt on before a car wreck. * Etc. All bunk! They are silly phrases that get repeated over and over because they sound cool, but when you break them down they make little sense. Does anyone really want to duel me and my C3 G19, armed with your Swingline stapler? I didn't think so. But here is where the rabidness of this issue does grave harm! We are surrounded by newbies or elderly, gun carriers who have little practice or training beyonds getting their license to carry. Our community humiliates them into carrying in a way that they shouldn't be carrying. And who gets to decide how much training people should have? I don't recall the Second Amendment saying anything about it. Lastly, there are thousands of people who have physical injuries that make carrying C1 reckless. I'm blind in 1 eye, and my right hand is injured and it cannot hold a gun - it has 50% "sensation," which means that it can't tell if it is touching a dime, or a brick. Trust me, you don't want to be in the stall next to me in a truckstop restroom with a C1 gun! I wish rational minds could retire this tired issue.

[@BassFlatsBeyond]

If you can’t handle a loaded gun safely, you probably don’t need a gun.

[@chrisboyd1408]

Good points on both sides. My perspective is to dry fire practice weekly and live fire at least monthly. John recommends gun owners who plan to carry a pistol to conduct professional, paid training at least yearly. I agree, AD/ND is far less likely to occur if you are carrying in a smart, safe, holstered manner.

[@cptrestlesssteven6469]

Thank you both for having a discussion that should be shared. I think both ends of the spectrum should be analyzed. Yes in most intellectuals have conversation and heart both sides even with different opinions. Winning a debate is only done with a good knowledge of the opposed position.

[@homesteadingsurvival3560]

Just seen this video it's older but glad they are out there thanks I have a round in the chamber in all three and Evey gun in my house with safety off safety will get you killed but when you do this remember perfect practice makes perfect

[@gtc4692]

This is good information and made me look up the law in my state. ND or AD is a misdemeanor in my state. If you have a carry license then your license is suspended for 6 months also. That’s why I love these videos because it makes me think of situations I might not normally think of and do some research. Knowledge is power.

[@michaelgoding1477]

I would love to know what state thx

[@kev7874]

I've always trained myself that all the guns I own have a rd. chambered. It's all about training

[@MrGp3po]

Great debate. The winner is......personal choice. Each person gas to evaluate the risk/benefit of their particular situation.

[@MrGp3po]

*has*

[@virakchhang]

I only put on my seatbelt right before a car accident happens...

[@josephs3843]

Virak Chhang well said my friend

[@LuvBorderCollies]

I've had people tell me that and they were serious! Being in and witnessing crashes you better be quick since they happen in a fraction of a second like 1/10th.

[@rodneycooke6538]

2nd Best Comment Award. Followed by the taking gun advice from a lawyer is like taking legal advice from a sovereign citizen 🤣🤣

[@gravitybreach4783]

Lmao

[@fproszek]

You missed the point

[@jamiesloan5902]

The ATF guy, that had the accidental discharge in his classroom has more than likely handled a firearm more than any other person in this forum. He likely had years, and years of experience. A person could even make the argument that the more you handle firearms, the more chance for you having an accidental discharge. The odds are NOT in your favor, in other words. For example: I, personally, train at least 2-4 days a week. I have my own pistol range at home, and I feel very confident in my gun handling skills. However, that kinda raises my odds of having an accidental discharge. But, I will say this... I STILL think that my odds are better than the person that "rarely" handles a firearm. In other words, if you only handle your gun once a year, then you are at an EXTREMELY high risk of having an accidental discharge. My rule of thumb is... Always handle your guns with "deliberate" motion. Handle your guns very robotically. In other words, move very slowly when reholstering, or unloading it. I catch myself holstering my gun wayyy too fast sometimes, because I've became so comfortable with handling it. This is the wrong thing to do. You should handle your gun very methodically, putting thought into every motion. In other words, handle it as if it had an exposed ignition button on the outside of it, kinda like a homemade bomb would have. You would for sure handle THAT with extreme caution! Be the same way with your firearms. The main thing is... Get some training!!! And then, practice, practice, practice. Don't be "that guy", that buys a gun, and puts one box of ammo through it, then thinks that he can easily be good enough to defend himself in a stressful life, or death situation, when the time arises. Unfortunately, there are a lot of you out there, with this mindset. Nobody buys a guitar, and sets it to the side, thinking that they can go up on stage and immediately play like Slash, on the spur of the moment, without ever practicing with their guitar. But, MOST people will do this with a firearm. That's insane!!! lol DO NOT carry a gun, until you can efficiently draw it from concealment, and quickly put shots on target. This isn't just a natural skill. It takes hours, and hours of practice.

[@mattcero1]

At 10:50, the IDF actually carry more than one type of rifle and have a choice of AK-47 or M-16 and maybe one or two others. I don't know about their handgun choices so John might want to check his information here.

[@fproszek]

FYI. 1966, i carried my M-16 unchambered for a year. I could rack it faster than flicking the safety off.

[@philbodale9406]

I own a 1911 that I keep in a quick access safe. I keep it WITHOUT a round in the chamber AND with the hammer back so I can put the safety on. I do this because I have a young child and I have decided I want as many hurdles as possible in the unlikely event that she could get the gun. She would have to get the gun, take the safety off, chamber a round, and pull the trigger for it to go off. That's a lot for a 3 yr old to do. I can do it in a few seconds. You might say, oh well it's in the safe. True, but it is a quick access safe with 4 buttons. It is not completely impossible that she could stumble on the combo if just pushing buttons? Or what about something stupid like it doesn't latch all the way. I am very careful about that, but things can happen. For where I live and my situation I would rather err on the side of caution. Most likely I will hear someone kick in the door or hear my dog barking in time to get and chamber the gun. If someone was in the bedroom before I could do that, I'm grabbing my 3ft long Japanese white oak practice katana that I keep by the bed and start giving them a wood shampoo. All that said, If the gun is on my person, I keep a round in the chamber.

[@rafschar]

A few observations: 1. The risk associated with a round in the chamber is not the same across all handguns. With a double-action trigger or manual safety the risk of an accidental discharge is lower compared to, say, a Glock. Arguably, the choice could depend in part on the platform. A hypothetical individual who owns both a Beretta 92 and an APX could have different carry protocols for each, and that wouldn't necessarily be illogical (provided training prevents mix-ups) 2. At the end of the day, there's no objective right or wrong answer because the decision involves a trade-off. It is up to the individual user to judge for themselves which of the the two risks they are personally most comfortable with. 3. The "Israeli carry" example is irrelevant to the US context. Outside of an operation, IDF soldiers carry not for personal protection, but to enable a quick response to an attack in one's vicinity. Furthermore, empty chamber carry remains in IDF doctrine because the core of their manpower is a national cohort of teenagers who carry their firearms in densely populated areas, and leaders have decided that calls for extra caution to avoid accidents by the occasional distracted or irresponsible conscript. In fact, empty chambers on handguns are just one aspect... outside of an operation, soldiers carry their carbines without a magazine inserted.

[@weserve042203]

If you have to ask, "Should I with carry a round in the chamber?" I don't want you to carry with a round in the chamber.

[@ThomasRonnberg]

Im my military service after a week of combat training we came back to the company yard and we had to unload all our training ammo. Guns loaded all week, tonnes and tonnes of shooting and adrenaline and becoming complacent with our firearms. I have 14 national medals in IPSC in my home country and i still, pulled the bolt back before taking the mag out, took the mag out, squeezed the trigger and discharged the blank ammo. No biggie, it was brushed away, the captains and higher ranking guys had a lot of respect for me but if it was a real round, someone would have died and i woulnd't have been okay. Despite having training firearms since the age of 4 and never having a negligent discharge before in my life. It really can happen to anyone and it's going to be when you least expect it and when you're most complacent.

[@mattcero1]

Every time this topic comes up I think of the four police officers who all had chambered guns with extra magazines who were sitting in a coffee shop near Tacoma and were all gunned down by a guy who walked in with a gun and did so. They were sitting around oblivious to a cop hating dude who approached them and had his way. An un-chambered DB9 works best for my situation. I will chamber it if I go buy something on CL with a larger amount of cash or go to a bad area for some reason. I overcompensate by having very good situational awareness.

[@brianlee360]

I feel better with a round in the chamber if i have a thumb safety....trigger safeties sketch me out...especially in concealed carry scenarios where covering clothes are involved.

[@pauljohnson9445]

Excellent advice either way. Hadn't thought about a novice carrier, and we all were at one time. I can see that point but everyone should get more training. Except that not everyone will. And the laws in your state are a big factor as well.

[@onearmedwolf6512]

When i first purchased my gun i was nervous having one in tge pipe. Was afraid itd go off on me. I ended up getting some defensive firearms training and was quickly disabused of that fear

[@BeamDigger]

John, I don't recall seeing any videos from you where the defender didn't have a round in the chamber. I would find these very helpful to see the real world implications.

[@BeamDigger]

Nevermind. Just did a search on the channel for "chambered" and found a ton of stuff. Thanks for all you do!

[@trapperscout2046]

If you're not confident enough to carry a round in the chamber, then that's a lack of training issue. Having a good quality firearm, inside of a good quality holster and getting some good quality training will do a lot to prevent negligent and accidental discharges.

[@luisabellon5869]

What about a revolver? It always has a round ready to fire and it is inherently very safe, just like a DA/SA pistol.

[@jaimemartin6704]

I was taught by an Israeli no round in chamber. I like John's reasoning for having one racked, but I have kids in the house. So, no round for me, until they're out. ..btw, you don't need two hands to work the slide.. it hurts, but you can do it on your hip with the rear sights without muzzling yourself. Belt also works, but is hard for me to catch every time... hip has always worked.

[@ASPextra]

Watch the main channel more. Seen plenty of people killed trying to chamber a round. If you have kids in the house, the gun goes from your holster to a quick access safe.

[@tonylittle8634]

When did Arizona do the mandatory felony for accidental discharge?

[@ASPextra]

It's not mandatory, but I have seen it charged that way more than a few times.

[@michaeldunne1348]

I carry chambered and my wife doesn't. We've had a similar discussion and, if I'm honest, I'm sort of glad she doesn't carry chambered. Will that impact the time it takes her to "get into the fight"? Absolutely. I watched a great video from Geauga Firearms that clearly showed the downside of carrying unchambered (specifically for women). To me it's all about your level of training and proficiency. Right now, it's probably a good decision for her. Great conversation - I'll need to look into Mr. Victor's other videos, if nothing else to show our youngest son - who wants to be a lawyer!

[@DonLytle68]

He said odds are against it happening to you I have hard thumb safety. I think the odds of a negligent discharge might be as small as a defensive encounter I think I would rather be safe than sorry. I have seen those encounters that John talks about when a defender losses their life because they were not chambered

[@dgrotepas]

Choose your risk. My personal calculation goes something like this: What do I feel is a greater risk for ME: 1) I am involved in a situation where I’m required to use my gun. That situation also requires me to have a .5 second faster draw, OR, because I’m human… I induce a malfunction while chambering. Either of these mistakes costs me or my loved ones their lives. Vs. 2) Because I’m human… I accidentally leave my chambered firearm somewhere my kids have access. They accidentally discharge my firearm. A discharge that unchambered carry would have prevented (my kids can’t rack a slide). OR, Due to administrative error I accidentally discharge my firearm. Either of these mistakes costs me or my loved ones their lives. Everyone makes mistakes. Being honest with yourself, what mistakes do you feel YOU are more likely to make? and is one or the other easier to live with? etc. Because I am notoriously forgetful I feel I am at greater risk of accidentally leaving my firearm around the house than I am having my training fail under pressure (also, my kids can’t rack a slide) BUT, I’ll have to swallow a .25-.5 second additional deficit. Tough choice. Potentially dire consequences on either side. You should approach that choice with your eyes wide open.

[@ASPextra]

I get it, but watch today's main channel video.

[@dgrotepas]

@@ASPextra i did. Thats what brought me here. Love the channel by the way. Its definitely informed alot of my decisions and challenged some of my opinions. Good stuff!

[@SpecialK16]

The moments it will take you to identify the threat, chamber a round, and gain sight acquisition will be the difference between life and death. Bad guys will tend to have the drop on you, you want to get in the fight asap.

[@nerdyhustle]

Great points! Love these videos!

[@publis9094]

The more I watch these, the happier I am I signed up for FLP the day I took my LTC course

[@johnnyvasquez4605]

357 Magnum SP101 3" ....wheel gun always chambered :)

[@jaqcp]

I have one of those. Sweet piece of steel!

[@bretparker8671]

ND is bad. No injury and no damage outside your own property results in mandatory prison time? That does not sound necessary.

[@ASPextra]

It MIGHT. Depends on a lot of things. I know at least 3-4 people in Arizona who have had NDs who were not charged with a thing, in fact responding PD didn't even file a report. But of course, Marc doesn't get to meet those people! That said, it's a serious thing if you get a prosecutor with a wild hair.

[@jimdavenport8020]

The assumption of the attorney is that you have survived the incident and are sitting, comfortably in his office and he has to defend you. Now, if you did NOT survive the incident because you got killed trying to rack the slide of your pistol, HEY.... not my problem.

[@ASPextra]

Very true.

[@acetrades1524]

So no one in Scottsdale Az ever needs to discharge their weapon?

[@pittiesmom10]

I'm on the last step of becoming a naturalized U.S. citizen, just have to wait for my swearing in ceremony now. I'm also a Libertarian so I really appreciate the way you both approached and discussed this subject. Great video!

[@ASPextra]

Very cool! Congratulations!

[@pittiesmom10]

@@ASPextra Thank you! I'm proud to be swearing an oath to the Constitution of this great nation. A little sad to denounce my allegiance to my home country but they (Peru) don't allow dual citizenship so I made my choice.

[@sqlb3rn]

the attorney makes good points... blanket rules and slogans should be taken with a grain of salt.

[@joshuagenung5212]

what would Marc victor call trained...as in what level/how many rounds shot/how many hours trained would he consider trained enough to have a round in the chamber.

[@johngothele4925]

That answer sounds like an attorney. Oh, wait that was an attorney.

[@RepentorPerish77]

If you don’t want to carry with one chambered then don’t carry...CCW is not for you

[@avshockey6633]

A person carrying without a round in the chamber is still in a much better position to defend themselves than someone who isn't carrying at all. It's up to the individual to decide what they are comfortable with.

[@echofoxtrotwhiskey1595]

avshockey66 Not if they can’t react to a threat because they have to chamber a round.

[@ryand1112]

So what does he think about revolvers?

[@ASPextra]

An interesting question!

[@ASPextra]

TDA does the same thing.

[@ryand1112]

Yeah, I have a p229. I can rest the entire weight of the gun on that first 12lb pull. I like the consistency of the my striker fired guns but that heavy first pull does give mental warm and fuzzies. Not to mention the SRT trigger on single action is insane but maybe not the best for a person with minimal training during a self defense encounter. It's funny how you can make arguements for just about any kind of gun all day long!

[@lylecaudill1446]

This was my immediate question. There is a presupposition that is inherent within the video. However, props John for sitting down and having a healthy discussion.

[@Woodstockblues1]

Sig P290RS. Double Action every shot. Can pull the trigger again for Re-Strike in the event of a misfire. No external safeties. Consistent, long, smooth trigger pull. Basically a revolver action in a semi-automatic pistol. Internal floating firing pin safety prevents pin movement until the trigger is pulled. Maximum safety with minimum fussing around. Small, compact size too!

[@johnfernandez7221]

When I carry my concealed revolvers{and I have a concealed permit} I would never cock the hammer before I drew my weapon. Not so much for the legal aspects,but for speed and rapid use. Why not carry my semi auto concealed pistols with a round in the chamber? Have seen videos where a person has needed to defend themselves,and had to rack the slide on their semi auto pistol,and experienced a malfunction that cost them their lives.

[@FNG_Star]

Sounds to me like the issue is not really carrying a round in the chamber and having an accident, the issue is the DRACONIAN law that makes it a felony. Seriously wtf Arizona?

[@matthennagersguitarlessons]

Guns & Ammo magazine rated Arizona as the best state for gun ownership. After studying the laws I'm surprised how restrictive some of the laws in AZ are.

[@brookslide6691]

Agree with Marc completely. Came to the same conclusion a long time ago after I saw the number of accidental deaths. Chambered or not, there's no substitute for 360-degree situational awareness and forethought (that's why I watch John's videos). Great discussion.

[@LifeUnlocker]

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[@hakimsaeedabdulrahman6142]

John👍

[@gustavfraser4795]

Better to keep yore finger away from the trigger as you drow it ,,, I don't like the light triggers stiffer trigger gives you a second to think

[@Kyosukedono]

I love the comments. "keep a round in the chamber at all times, even if you are not experienced with your gun and you end up shooting my daughter by accident, I will respect regardless" lol. I think the lawyer makes a good case for people that have not have their gun for too long or are just getting into it. Like myself, I got my guns not long ago and I am waiting for some friends to teach me how to shoot and waiting to get some more dough to pay for a conceal carry class. You seriously want a complete newbie like me to carry with a round in the chamber? They just said it, even professionals get negligent discharges. I've been handling my guns everyday, unloaded so I can familiarize with them more and slowly I've been building up confidence. Even though I KNOW they are unloaded I still treat them like they are. I am practicing draws, reloads and some dry fire here and there (I hear that doing that too much is bad for the firearm). One of my buddies is a marine and when he gets time he told me he would teach me. I get it, every community has their trolls but guns is much more serious business than just telling someone "git gud". I am surprised people are not more understanding about it. I also acknowledge that, sure, a single planck second is key for surviving a deadly encounter. Well, while I build up my skills with a firearm, how about I make more of an effort to work on my awareness instead? By being a bit more paranoid about things I would be giving myself those precious femtoseconds I need to shoot the bad guy. After all, if someone totally gets the drop on you, you can have your entire 15 round magazine in the the chamber ready to be shot but that's not gonna save ya. Awareness is also key.

[@mjack2955]

Of course if your auto has a true safety like the ea and not like the glocks this wouldn't be as much of a problem. The glocks in the middle of the trigger is to easy to hit for it to be a safety. A safety on the side allows the safety to be on and when you need it push it off. Of course the best of the worlds might be a double action revolver with a round in chamber. This gives you other options also. Although I'm sure someone could discharge my s&w 38 special has such a high trigger pull it would be hard to do it by mistake. Its my small out of the car carry gun. Let me get back to the car and there's always a glock, ea or something else there. Pick me on a bad day for you and I might have to think about what to use, so many choices.

[@basumner1056]

Kind of strange that some people get so emotional and defensive about this topic. There is plenty of room for honest debate and there is no *definitive* answer which is right all the time, for everyone, in every case. Lighten up.

[@artderfall]

Getting the round out of the chamber wasn't discussed. If you hqve to leave the gun in the trunk in a lock box. In MA the ammunition has to be somewhere else and not with the pistol. Racking the gun to remove it has the round flying somewhere you may not want. Then there's the risk of removing the magazine and forgetting the round in the chamber. Yes, you are supposed to look, but you've added a risk. The whole idea of concealed carry is on a continuum. I've made it to 77 without any encounters, not even a yelling situation. Other people are often in risky situations, or imagine bad guys everywhere, or they just want to be prepared. I just got a Seecamp 32 CA/MA pocket pistol - anything bulkier I wouldn't consider carrying. A risk/reward decision. Since the Seecamp has a safety, is double action with a 9 pound trigger, an accidental discharge risk is low. What are the risks of any pistol being dropped with a chambered round and having it fire?

[@jorysiler]

It’s insane a ND in your own home is a felony.

[@denniejones5288]

Beautiful seatbelt analogy John and you look great like you've lost weight keep it going buddy love the channel

[@ASPextra]

43 pounds burned up so far.

[@jamesfenton7338]

The law is an arbitrary rule made by people that really don't care if you live or die. 23 years chambered, no AD's. Rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Ruger decocker, no safety, just a proper holster. Ruger is drop safe, pin is out of position until the trigger is used.

[@abstractapproach634]

Do people not realize the time span and distance at which an average defensive use occurs. If your not trained unauthorized to pit one in the chamber, get a double action revolver!

[@flattire707]

Oh you just don't know when it will become dangerous. IF you could predict that, just stay home, but you can't!

[@richardle7469]

And same as John says, he wont be in your gun fight, and you wont be in his gun fight,. So carry as many reloads as you want

[@skwerlee]

John is there a ASP discount for the premium individual plan?

[@ASPextra]

Yes, hit the link in the description and when you check out it discounts it.

[@The_Alleged_Suspect]

I feel like Marc's perspective is a very typical opinion of someone who has had no training what so ever. I can't imagine anyone who has ever had, even a basic defensive handgun class, that could hold the opinion that carrying without a round in the chamber is a good idea. The reality is that if you're not carrying with a round in, you might as well not be carrying. I understand that as a lawyer he has to approach the subject from that side of things and from a purely legal perspective, he's 100% correct, but I'd rather be in jail than dead. The consequences of carrying without a round chambered and needing to defend yourself FAR outweigh the consequences of an ND.

[@basumner1056]

You make valid points, but allow me to point out that there are many people with considerable training and experience who deliberately choose to carry a concealed weapon in condition two or three. I encountered a couple of Israeli Security Service members in the 1970's and 80's who could draw, rack, and accurately fire their concealed Beretta .22 handguns from condition three in less time than most people could draw and accurately fire from condition two or even condition one. Their impressive speed came from hundreds of hours of arduous practice. ND cases among the Israeli IDF or security services are rare or nonexistent due to their policy of carrying in condition three. It is true that in most cases, chambering a round during deployment adds .2-.5 seconds to the firing cycle, but rote training significantly reduces that delay and vastly decreases the probability of an ND episode which could result in injury or legal repercussions. This is ultimately about risk assessment and there are no absolute rules which always apply for everyone in every case.

[@dattape2828]

Papi Maximus absolutely these cowboys have a dangerous mentality

[@tangero3462]

How is it more prudent and easier to train yourself to rack your firearm on the draw than to just keep your finger off the bloody trigger? Both take training, and one takes significantly less effort and can still be done one-handed. Like, if you're _that_ scared of it, train your finger to practically be inside the ejection port on your draw. You know what security forces and soldiers have the luxury of? Being able to be on the offensive and being able to have *rifles*. The average defensive handgun use is very close and very dirty. How can you possibly comment on this channel without having seen a score of defensive encounters where attackers are literally on top of someone through no fault of the defender? Shooting a handgun from retention is not an option when, in condition 3, the weapon is just a paperweight with bullets in reserve. Any ECQC course will rid you of any notion that condition 3 is a good idea. Train to your reality, not someone else's. It's just like the Serpa. Someone being able to make it work doesn't mean it's still not a terrible idea. And for the love of God and all holy things, can we get over our obsession with the Israelis.

[@dattape2828]

Papi Maximus tangerino is the exact type of person with the dangerous mentality. These crazies walk through the malls hoping to shoot somebody. True description of a trigger happy person who doesn’t deserve to carry

[@tangero3462]

No, I don't want to shoot somebody. Like, fucking ever. Because that will cost a lot of money and put my family and I through a great deal of psychological stress. However, I carry a gun because if that event happens, I know I have the skills and knowledge to employ lethal force effectively and appropriately. My statement was in regard to taking ideas ("Israeli carry", etc.) out of their contexts. I'm not talking individual circumstance. Using tactics of a military half a world away as justification for their SOPs as a concealed carrier in America is not a valid argument because you circumstances do not reflect that. Perhaps I should instead say, train to REALITY, not your own personal reality. Or, just go ahead and delude yourself into being less prepared than you need to be. Just don't do it around me when the time comes. There are objective facts in the world of firearms and sometimes there isn't room for lazy, touchy-feely, works-for-me, let's-agree-to-disagree bullshit.

[@TheSuburban15]

Geez! How many police officers have been arrested for accidental discharges? They carry every day at work and usually off-duty, and often around people who know the law. Seems like statistically, it should happen with some frequency.

[@basumner1056]

Police officers are not arrested for ND in most cases, but they certainly suffer damage to their reputation within their law enforcement agency.

[@clownworldresidentii5184]

wouldn't this be solved with a double action gun?

[@ASPextra]

No, not entirely. It's not trigger weight that causes NDs.

[@Colt-ii4qn]

Negligent discharge is a training problem not a carry problem. Lawyers don’t know everything 😐

[@jamescrawford5567]

I have 24 firearms everything is loaded nothing is chambered at home. As soon as I leave the house I am chambered before I get to my car. Carry all day chambered unload when I get home. I keep the majority of my firearms locked up I have three children. I have a few rifles and shotguns I leave out all loaded not chambered. All My children can run each weapons platform and they go shooting with me whenever I go. My girls are better than the boy in proficiency.

[@sebastianlombana6144]

It all comes down with lots of Training Training Training and proper not cheap equipment and most importantly firearm Manners.

[@ASPextra]

Proper firearms handling is king.

[@jaredwright1655]

Big no on the whole "racking a gun will detur crime" no criminal thinks of it as a danger, its an invitation to fight. Pull your gun, take off the saftey, and put rounds on target. Very rare will you draw a gun and not use it.

[@P226nut]

So having a ND is a felony in Arizona? Pretty sure that’s bullshit, maybe an ND that results in harm to others but not just an ND, I’m in Oklahoma so idk your laws, but here the most they could charge you with is a misdemeanor discharging a firearm in public and I’ve seen these cases go before a judge and the second they hear it was an accident they scold the guy about safety and call the DA to a side bar where the DA is told you can either have me throw out the case or you can offer him 6 months unsupervised probation and require him to take a gun safety coarse. Of the 4 or so of these I’ve seen 1 da let judge do his thing and three offered the deal, of those 3 2 took the deal for a deferred sentence and 1 said fuck your deal I want a jury trial and then the judge threw it out, so I’m having a hard time believing these would be felonies in Arizona. Now I know of a couple cases where guys accidentally shot someone when they had an nd, one got the misdemeanor charge and one got a felony for some sort of assault with a deadly weapon, so are we talking about just having an nd in a safe direction or are we talking about accidentally shooting someone?

[@kentuckyrex]

Marc seems to be relying a lot on inexperience with a round in the chamber for an ND. HOWEVER, you can have an ND while racking the slide and chambering. Your finger can be in the trigger guard. And there is a very small chance that a 1911 can slam fire. A small, almost unrealistic chance, but a chance nonetheless.

[@DanXTEN]

Love this haha

[@akaza7874]

I came here immediately i heard of the second channel and subed!...

[@DianosAbael]

Chambered is a reminder that the gun is dangerous. Carrying without one in the pipe causes accidents because they incidentally loaded the gun and forgot it! Israely carry without one in the pipe because of the high risk of gun stealing and gun carriers are always around, so is mutual defence, not PERSONAL.

[@bbs5400]

If you're not trained and educated enough to safely carry with one in the chamber, you're probably not ready to carry at all. Not in public at least. But I know that's an extremist view. Or at least carrying with an empty chamber should be for a couple weeks as you're new to carrying and getting a feel for it

[@amascia8327]

... and never have a negligent discharge ...

[@nelsonechevarria7009]

There is no such thing as an "accidental discharge" if you're too proud and too stupid to keep in mind that firearms must always be presumed to be loaded and treated as such then you should be held liable if your firearm discharges.Keep your finger off of the trigger no matter what unless you are ready or forced to draw your firearm in self defense.If you do an "alec baldwin" you're not going to have the luxury that alec baldwin has of roaming free while the courts sort out whether your discharge was "an accident" or not.

[@c0mputer]

I just want to say that seatbelts save lives. Please always wear one. It’s very personal for me.

[@ASPextra]

Me, too!

[@zachbrogan]

I’m with Marc on this one. The statistics on negligent discharges are alarming and I think many people need to humble themselves and realize they are human and susceptible to mistakes. That being said, I do understand where John is coming from.

[@bretparker8671]

You don’t pick the time, the time picks you. One prepares for success. One worries about potential mistakes and prepares you for failure. Ok. Don’t wear your seatbelt and don’t chamber a round. Good luck with your well thought out plan. Good talk.

[@rung1915]

Bret Parker amen

[@kentuckyrex]

@@THISSHOWNEEDSMORETITS so was Colonel Cooper. And he always said "carry in condition one".

[@JFYukon]

Totally! When the time comes and you have to make a split second decision to pull out your tazer, you don’t have time to check to make sure it’s not your loaded Glock 17.

[@tommcstacker4216]

Bret Parker....Mic Drop and 👏 slow 👏 slow 👏

[@LeinaVance]

Please stop comparing sest beats to having a round in the chamber. It's idiotic.

[@healthandbeauty101]

This is the most helpful video you have ever put out, John! I’ve been a gun owner for about 3 years now and plan on starting to carry soon. I have been struggling with this question of whether to have one in the chamber or not. I would never have guessed that negligent discharge is a felony offense with mandatory prison time in AZ. That shocked me. I think I agree more with your libertarian lawyer friend. Thank you so much for this video!

[@ASPextra]

They almost all get pled down to misdemeanors, in reality.

[@cwatson42785]

John my man you're looking great! (No homo) lol

[@grouchyed2561]

Taking self defense advice from an attorney is like taking legal advice from a sovereign citizen.

[@housewifeuntilheaven1593]

Grouchy Ed BEST COMMENT AWARD 🥇 This made me lol.

[@ASPextra]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[@ASPextra]

AM I BEING DETAINED?!?!

[@housewifeuntilheaven1593]

Active Self Protection Extra Not if you’re just traveling through from point A to point B🤣

[@grouchyed2561]

I DO NOT CONSENT!! I DO NOT CONSENT!!!!

[@ericray467]

Chambered! Work to change that stupid law in Arizona! Learn to pay attention when doing mundane tasks with a weapon.

[@wmoker123]

What if you carry a revolver? A round is always in the chamber.

[@Woodstockblues1]

To fire that revolver, you either have to take a LONG pull on the trigger to fire it Double Action (safer), or manually cock the hammer back to get a lighter pull and fire Single Action. Hammerless revolvers can only be fired Double Action (safer). Newer revolvers have floating firing pins that are blocked until the trigger is pulled (safer). Older revolvers have firing pins fixed to the hammer that strike the primer directly (less safe). Therefore, cowboys carrying Single Action revolvers with fixed firing pins used to keep an empty chamber under their hammers. Legend said some kept a rolled up bill in that empty chamber. So, it's probably safe to carry a round under the hammer in most new late-model Double Action revolvers with firing pin safeties. My department did. Probably not a good idea to keep a round under the hammer with most authentic Single Action revolvers with firing pins fixed to the hammer. :)

[@LuvBorderCollies]

ND/AD in the police revolver era were very rare and when they did it was always operator error like quick drawing against Matt Dillon on TV forgetting your S&W M10 was loaded. True story but wasn't me.

[@Woodstockblues1]

LuvBorderCollies I have an M10! I love that piece! My daughter loves it too! Her favorite pistol to shoot. Solidly built, and with +P a legitimate defensive weapon. Stainless steel too! When I bring that out at the range, everyone stops by to look or try it out! :)

[@Woodstockblues1]

smokey spice Department of State Police carried with a round under the hammer. Of course these were newer Smith and Wesson revolver models with the locking floating firing pin. Firing pin was locked until the trigger was pulled. And training was very rigorous. :) Old Single-Action “cowboy” revolvers, yea, empty chamber under that hammer. Newer revolvers...? Depends on make, model, action, and level of expertise/training of the shooter. :)

[@LuvBorderCollies]

Glenn Douglas My issue M10 was one whose sights were spot on perfect. So I did some unauthorized stuff to it and used it for competition duty gun matches as well as everyday patrol. Sad day when told we had to trade in our M10's for Glocks. It got worse when we couldn't buy our issue M10. :(

[@stevea1025]

Between your review of holsters and your prior discussions about leaving the weapon holstered I have upgraded my holster and not removed my firearm from the holster except for practice and cleaning. I used to remove it daily when storing in my bedside safe and also when in my vehicle. I believe that the changes I made have greatly reduced my likelihood of experiencing a negligent discharge.

[@ASPextra]

Awesome. When I made those changes I think it also decreased the chances of a negligent discharge. Glad you see that difference too!

[@tommcstacker4216]

Hear! Hear!

[@charlesfisher3983]

8:55 John's look to the camera when Mark mentions how "highly trained" the atf agent was, as if to ask us "should I bust this man's bubble?"

[@SteveHyde]

This debate is great and a pleasure to watch