Massad Ayoob Discusses 'Stand Your Ground' Laws

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Since the tragic shooting death of Trayvon Martin, Florida's Stand Your Ground law has come under intense scrutiny. Florida governor Rick Scott is presently forming a task force to reexamine that state's law. Critics argue that such laws have led to shootouts over petty disputes and have hampered police investigations with a sweeping grant of legal immunity. Supporters of the Stand Your Ground law say it does not apply to the Martin case and that such laws merely protect those who use a firearm in self-defense from prosecution and financially ruinous litigation. Massad Ayoob is a firearms trainer and author of "In the Gravest Extreme." He spoke at the Cato Institute April 23, 2012.

[@dukeman7595]

Massad Ayoob, is a man with a great deal of commonsense, intelligence and a well groomed public speaker.

[@bruceharvey200]

Common sense doesn't exist. What Massad possesses is superior reasoning and experience in firearms and associated legal matters than the layman. To call it "common sense" is an insult to the effort Massad put in, and the natural gift that Massad possesses like millions of people.

[@Gweidemann]

That's a very accurate brief description of Mr. Ayoob. I've read him in gun magazines and heard him speak to audiences a few times as well. An Officer working on the Fort Wayne Police Department homicide detective division told me he studied under Mr. Massad Ayoob, also.

[@HAYAOLEONE]

CRIMINALIZE BABY PENIS MUTILATION

[@c.a.g.3130]

Strong, sober, intelligent; a total breath of fresh air.

[@dukeman7595]

@@bruceharvey200 Well commonsense does indeed exist, however, for some it flees.. Sound prudent judgment based on simple perception of the situation or facts is that of a wise man, none is found in the fool..

[@garywatson]

Great to see Mas on this channel. He's the #1 expert that people cite on this stuff. Calm and rational advice.

[@rixille]

When did this all go wrong? When did people start to become criminals for shooting in self defense?

[@robertducharme1424]

When liberals started running things

[@rickb06]

@@robertducharme1424 Yep, and those same liberals will end up as two possible end game states, they'll be killed by a firing squad / hanged for treason or they'll win the coming war due to the poisoning of the well, brainwashed and ignorant leftists will rally around their leaders, they'll smell blood in the water and they will seize the opportunity.

[@2AForever-wi8yj]

when liberals took control

[@garrick1117]

When men, in a fair fight, could no longer stand getting their ass kicked.

[@rixille]

@@garrick1117 So the types who bring a gun to a fistfight.

[@IamDoogy]

That was a great presentation. I didn't realize how good of a public speaker Massad Ayoob is. I used to read his articles years ago in various gun magazines. Thanks for uploading this.

[@mbjasondify]

Public speaking is an art, and its always magnified when the speaker has tons of real life experience. I could listen to Massad all day.

[@carguy3028]

If I’m ever unfortunate enough to have to defend myself and put on trial I would want him as an expert witness.

[@k9happygal]

A very eloquent speaker makes a very compelling case.

[@Clothahump1]

Excellent speech by an acknowledged master in his field!!

[@hummerzdca]

Man oh man, I love listening to Mr. Ayoob! This presentation was particularly great because of what I learned, and so eloquently put that describes the solutions I am concerned about. Great job, analogies, and enhancing awareness. Thanks🇺🇸

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[@robertwatson818]

It should never require massive amounts of money for any citizen to defend themselves against legitimate self defense. Laws are needed to restore a person to their pre-event status. This has all the earmarks of malicious prosecution.

[@taras3702]

Politically motivated malicious prosecution is more like it.

[@dustang5.O]

We should be forcing change by crowdfunding funds for legal defense for any citizen that obviously defended themselves, i.e. Kyle Rittenhouse. After we do this enough times, politicians will be forced to do their job.

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[@rubbersole79]

What a voice of reason.

[@RLXPrez]

Massad Ayood is a master speaker and a legend in this field. The fact that this video has only 25 thousand views and less than 1000 likes suggests we are not doing well at getting these truths out to the public.

[@Bodine-ec8ms]

As of 17 DEC 2011 it is 62,293 views and 1,700 likes !

[@Painfulwhale360]

130,000k views and 3,300+ likes now!

[@RickyJr46]

A fantastic presentation. Mr. Ayoob makes these concepts crystal clear.

[@zerpblerd5966]

I'm an autonomous person and have fundamental issues with laws but I could listen to Mas talk about right-action under varying circumstances for hours - as law intends to apply to reason and good on a fundamental level and good people understand that regardless of that entrenched bureaucratic corruption that majorly has laws favoring criminals over good people trying to do the right thing

[@byronwatkins2565]

Jay Lewis was denied his Sixth Amendment right to "a speedy and public trial." Jay Lewis should sue for damages in federal court.

[@michaelbarndt2878]

This is why everyone should carry concealed carry insurance like US Lawshield or USCCA. To protect you from this type of legal abuse. Justified or not, once you shoot someone expect to be detained or arrested.

[@penguinistas]

What happened to Mr. Lewis is inexcusable. The prosecutor should be fired. I did not know but am glad to hear that Mr Heston marched with MLK.

[@ClergetMusic]

Fired and damages awarded in at least the amount of property value he lost due to the ordeal.

[@kerebaka]

@@ClergetMusic Plus punitive and damage to his reputation. Prosecutor should be disbarred as an example.

[@markwalton2566]

Thank you so much for sharing all your knowledge. I am learning so much!

[@scasey1960]

Great to see a collection of stand your ground events.

[@leonschexnider2037]

Great presentation!

[@riddlouche]

thats a very knowledgeable dude

[@77felixthecat]

Wow the story about Mr Lewis is most hearting. Your words are profound and take much meaning to me. Thank you for all you do and all you have done.

[@weixu6555]

Clear, eloquent, knowledgeable.

[@lrb3989]

Awesome man been listening to his vids

[@sjbesq1]

Good job, Mas, and thanks CI.

[@CatsAgainstCommunism]

This needs millions more views

[@EdOscuro]

8:52 is a reference to Dennis Tueller's research which can be seen in the article "How Close is Too Close?" from SWAT magazine, March '83, available online at the Police Studies Council.

[@kennethcurtis1856]

There is a you tube demo with Dan Isosanto showing how fast kmife attacks happen.

[@dewok2706]

its actually amazing how literally everyone with a brain knows that legal fees will basically kill any normal person's financial situation and it's still completely standard.

[@EdOscuro]

4:13 clears up something I had been wondering about for a while - whether retreat is ever demanded if you can't do it safely. Answer: No.

[@davids5006]

Good thing to know

[@garrick1117]

An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure. Unless you are being robbed, it takes two to tango. Once you realize the guy or gal is an idiot, before things get heated, become part of the solution by stop talking and put distance between yourself and the person. I am in my sixties and I typically do not go where I feel I need a gun to protect myself. I carry one just for general security for me and mine; much like I carry aspirins, to get ahead of the headache before it becomes a problem..

[@johnsnee3467]

Thank you for your service. I just watched the "gun free zone" video. Tears are not enough! You are exactly correct!

[@TheAmazingLucas]

He was about to beat that man to a pulp if the dude didn't have a piece.

[@MichaelSlattery-sh8vl]

Mr., Ayoob's leagale speech is very Benevolent, and he is impeccable , leagale Speak.

[@1977Yakko]

This is why there's multiple providers of insurance for self defense legal protection. I recently started with USCCA myself.

[@robertfrank9228]

Thanks

[@nathanielerskine1875]

Here in Colorado, there is no "Duty To Retreat" in a self defense situation. There is also the "Make My Day Law" which authorizes the use of deadly force on any intruder within your dwelling. "Reasonable" is a legal term, open to interpretation.

[@RainmanE350]

Mas, please send this to Eric Holder and also a braille transcript to Stevie Wonder.

[@etymonlegomenon931]

Stevie Wonder can hear pretty well.

[@johnk5061]

Fantastic!!!

[@robertrishel3685]

Fantastic!

[@Uboh85]

Damn jay lewis story is deep. Thanks for this informative video.

[@whitetiger432]

Maybe this lesson should be updated due to the antifa and the BLM movement...so many of the prosecutors are proactive Antifa and BLM...

[@fred_ditto]

Fun fact: John Sarcone, the prosecutor in Polk County, Iowa, has ran unopposed since 1990.

[@GatCat]

Man I wish Jay Lewis could be given millions for 112 days and nonsense.

[@ShinLeeChan]

In our country (Italy) if you get arrested and then all charges get dropped, once you'll be released they pay you back the damage based on the days you had to pass in jail plus moral damages 'cause your image is literally ruined by TVs. TV shows then start to fight each other for having an exclusive interview which is well paid. Said so, 90% of the time even if you get back the freedom, your image is kinda fucked up, your job is gone, family is ruined... Money can't erese the past nor will give back your old life.

[@alatus7242]

You need to update the lecture in these "dynamic" times. Here in the EU, I was ambushed by no less than 20 drunken and maybe coked up idiots while talking on the phone with the police, mind you. The first sucker punch cracked my phone and got me knocked down, but I was able to stagger back and then I rolled with the punches - so they could not land something strong enough to get me down again. When I saw that they had me cornered and running away was not feasible, I warned them that I am armed, but that did not impress anyone and they kept swinging from all sides. I lifted my shirt and grabbed the handle. This is when most of them started getting red lights in their intoxicated heads, but one lunged forward to get my gun. I turned with him and pulled the gun out, so as to keep it under control. I did not point the gun and I did not even chamber a round, because the sight of the big black pistol cooled them down. That's when the police arrived and arrested... me, since I was the one with the gun, apparently. The fact that I was also the one with the bruises on the face seemed irrelevant. Anyway, the next day I got apraised by the forensic doctors, they listened to their recording of me talking to the police when I got smacked and generally they got it right this time - I was the vicitm and not the perpetrator. One would say that things got sorted out, except they haven't returned my gun, awaiting deliberation by the prosecutor whether to bring the attackers to trial or drop the case on the grounds of "boys will be boys". Time goes by, I have my CCP, but not my CCW - first world problems, I guess.

[@ClergetMusic]

Not first world problems, liberal world problems.

[@MH-WM]

Share with family! In a perfect scenario the threat never lays eyes on you, EVER!

[@Liberty-rn4wy]

Read your state's legal use of force statute. Basically memorize what it means. It usually means reasonable force and that is defined as the least amount of force required to get out of the situation.

[@attorneyreel1181]

The man knows what he's talking about!

[@willieboy3011]

Trayvon Martin was proof why we need Stand Your Ground laws. Bashing someone's head on concrete is life threatening or great bodily harm, especially from an armed robber.

[@lightbender5605]

Hear hear!

[@prebaned]

Hi Mas, I'm from the future year 2023 and things haven't changed. You still may beat the rap, but your going for the ride when you pull the trigger. Welcome to NY.....

[@T.E.P..]

basically don't commit crimes and avoid people that are committing crimes as harrrd as you can. avoid conflict. don't ruin your life over someone's dumb moves if you can.

[@davidjensen2411]

Beautiful! #BustTheLawSociety

[@GatCat]

It would be nice to hear from those never charged by defending w/deadly force, those charged and acquitted, those prosecuted. To hear what went through their minds. Obviously, there would be human error in stories through memory or falsehood, but it could prove beneficial to hear of someone who survived.

[@smartass6071]

My carry gun is to protect my life, not my property. Property can be replaced, a life can't.

[@barneybrown7543]

If he puts himself within reach of your gun hes considered armed in GA

[@dalecostello3442]

Great channel. How very sad for that black gentleman

[@nicolas7183]

how about we start a go fund me for mr Jay lewis

[@michaelbarndt2878]

What happened to Jay Lewis is exactly why responsible conceal carry citizens should purchase CC insurance like USSCA or US Lawshield.

[@shawnnorton2674]

That Jay Lewis story was heart wrenching, that dude was totally boned.

[@grantcivyt]

The question at 4:45 seems to me to have a ready answer. Aren't these laws meant to protect against burglars and such? Teenagers also require little provocation in drawing a gun.

[@marilynbeckett6747]

Within the first 2 minutes the speaker gives the legal reason why stand your ground is not necessary. Check Gifford's stats.

[@bostoncopter2498]

No body no crime....

[@MichaelDillin]

Massad is awesome

[@jalimtabraue6948]

With all do respect Mr. Ayoob, it's not who tells the truth, it's who tells a better story!

[@dannypalmer7701]

Don't threaten or attack any person for any reason.Make dam sure you are self defensive! Know the law!

[@puppetguy64]

Criminals aren’t the only ones acting criminally.

[@dannypalmer7701]

How can you expect the outcome of a sudden attack?

[@buddyringo21]

Recently I had a situation where while driving a guy behind me was in road rage fit and because I tapped my brakes to ask him to back off my rear bumper, then this guy in a big truck raced around me and we caught the red light , he jumps out and heads back to my car . (I happen to have a CCW permit here in Florida and my Glock 26 is in its kydex holster with a round in the chamber and always ready ) as he approaches I’m faced with the reality that if this guy was to bust my window and try to get at me I may actually have to do the unthinkable. As he approached I put my finger up and shook my head to signal do not do it Mr !!! And thankfully he turned around and got back in his truck . I was committed to doing whatever is necessary to defend my life as I could not move my vehicle without hitting other cars and I had to also think ahead as to all innocent people that may be in line of fire should it come to that . This event was a reality check for me and it’s mentally sobering that a great responsibility comes with carrying a firearm. I carry a GoPro everywhere I go while in my car and it will start recording with one quick push of the button also has a clip on it where I can quickly clip it to the collar of my shirt. While I was in this situation I had to constantly remind myself how will a jury see this situation and act accordingly. It sure is a lot to process but I believe this kind of entanglement is a part of modern thinking training . I thank GOD I did not have to engage this clown ! ….. after all maybe he was just having a really bad day . “Keep calm and always Carry “ ✌️🇺🇸

[@seamusburke9101]

It's you're the clown, tapping your brakes in front of traffic. Brakes are for stopping a vehicle not sending Morse code signals to other road users who aren't even in your way. I hope you never brake check me.

[@TheDylanjduncan]

What ever happened to intellectual and unbiased speakers?

[@simonfarre4907]

Good question. Ayoob is a moron. And not only that, a disgrace and a shameful human being.

[@brianlopez8855]

Brilliant Communicator. I'd want him on my Defence Team.

[@damianarchibald7792]

And I'm glad stand your ground did pass in Iowa. We also have constitutional carry as well.

[@isaacfulton7731]

I think it's still a bit ridiculous that you have to allow yourself to be beat to the ground before responding.

[@charviswilliams7939]

He was a aggressor and the victim had a bag of candy

[@hudsonkeelin2369]

The fact is the fact, to protect yourself from harmful people, people who are attempting to harm you in some form and possible death you must realize that it is your right to protect yourself. Here's a fact about myself, for years I have denie myself the right to carry or even own a weapon. I am a veteran of Vietnam and after the war and I returned home i had no desire to own nor ever kill another person even in self defense. But now I see all that is going on in my country i believe that every person should own a weapon for self defense and for hunting only. The right to carry much be a judgment by you as person of whether or not the person who is attempting to harm you is violent enough to kill you are do such bodily harm enough to make you use your weapon.

[@WB8BRA]

I would like to answer your question. This is a true situation I was in at a gas station. I had parked by car in a crazy matter near a gas pump because a man took up two parking places near the gas pumps in order to rush into the store to get some coffee and things. He was in a big hurry I guess. I was filling my car when he came out and was mad at me because I sort of closed off one of the ways for him to exit the station. I said he parked so I could not get gas because of way he had parked. He was mad and started to come towards me and said I am going to kick your ass. I said nothing and went towards the front of my car away from him. I did not want to escalate this issue too anything where I had to defend myself. I guess I could have stood my ground because in Michigan we have that law. However, him seeing me back away caused him to stop, but still swearing at me and drives away. I did right the thing because I was willing to take a few insults and threats from someone having a bad day.

[@byronwatkins2565]

Furthermore, a citizen's UNALIENABLE rights supersede the convenience of state officials. If "unalienable rights" doesn't make this clear enough, the supreme court has defended this position many times.

[@garywatson]

Ayoob has a number of other videos - some on KZbin, most not. Highly recommended.

[@Torgo1969]

I have an implanted cardiac defibrillator that can be activated by a blow to the chest, sending lethal or incapacitating electric shocks into my heart. I certainly hope that I am not expected to defend myself with mere fists or grappling when confronted by someone that wants to physically strike me with fists and kicks. I hope that the concept of Disparity of Force applies to my situation, as I consider myself to be at a grave disadvantage in hand-to-hand combat.

[@kzgc8y3n]

20 Ft in 1.5 seconds boys...I'm going to the Stabbing Olympics! (9:02)

[@somemedic]

Did you listen to the same video I did?

[@B.I.-EIO_macdonald9786]

Wow

[@FutureSlap]

one hit knockouts happen. how does an unconscious man defend himself?

[@erikkayV]

it has been 6 years, you gonna tell us or what?

[@masercot]

It would negate it, eh? If only you had the time to tell me how...but, you must FLY!

[@pistonpilot]

Mas Ayoob is a consummate presenter. He looks good after all these years. I took his LFI course in the 90's. Excellent course and worth every penny.

[@markrigsby2425]

Join the GOA

[@partner348]

@ 7:25 , Ayoob's other videos perpetuate this scenario as well, that an attack is not necessarily justification for using deadly force, and not until you can PROVE that your attacker has overpowered you -- "got you on the ground or against the wall" (his words), and already RENDERED you defenseless, even possibly beat you to your weapon -- But an attack can be a one and done punch, at which point it's too late THEN to use deadly force, because you're already dead, or incapacitated and unable to, and soon WILL be dead. Something is missing here, which seems to me to be a contradiction of his rule of, Ability, opportunity, and jeopardy. "Ability meaning your attacker has the power to inflict deadly force". It's probably too late as you're trying to determine "disparity of force" … "in the course of the fight " to determine ability. So, you have to first FIGHT with the guy and not until he has "the position of advantage" are you justified in using your weapon. That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. It's the old adage (ass)ume makes an ass out of you and (me), in this case, a dead ass. Hell, he will likely have his OWN weapon which he will inevitably be using on YOU while YOU'RE trying to determine if he has said "ability" if you let him make contact before you use yours.

[@staceyrybka602]

The court and prosecutor doesn't care if you are innocent most of the time,they only care if they can convince a jury that you are guilty by any means at their disposal and that is the way it is most of the time in my experience

[@Juicetheeunuch]

The poor little old man? What lies!

[@caseytaylor1487]

I wish that he would have addressed the concept of sexual assault in regards to the use of deadly force. I can only speak for my own state where I have researched the relevant deadly force laws, and the law is very similar to what he described in his speech: deadly force is acceptable in the face of death or serious bodily harm. However, my state law also specifically includes sexual assault in the definition of serious bodily harm. I have no idea how common this is throughout the country, but I think it is an important element that should be explored.

[@gunsquawk4443]

Where was Mas Ayoob during the Rittenhouse trial?

[@NS-pf2zc]

11:17 For all those social justice warriors who are angry with cops, thinking that they are racially biased.

[@garrick1117]

Explain what you mean. He was arrested and his bond was six figures. He was attacked by two men. Zimmerman was not even arrested until mass public pressure and national media became involved.

[@terrymarshall5480]

You are saying if a cop puts an old man on the ground he is using deadly force.

[@JorgeGarcia-lw7vc]

Stand your ground did not apply to Trayvon Martin's death. His killer should be in jail.

[@vaclavjebavy5118]

It was not used as a defense, As Zimmerman claimed he was on the ground getting beaten when he shot Trayvon. He did have injuries on his head that matched the testimony, but I don't know if it's true.

[@carrabellicusp]

Mass when I took LFI 1 thirty years ago the concept of avoidably was a requirement you can’t create a situation where you goad someone into doing something that qualifies as a reason to shoot You said that would be considered murder

[@electrophonic]

Massad Ayoob is the man

[@johnw9190]

Even that Sheriff in FL gets it wrong. They present SYG as the rationale for using deadly force. SYG has nothing to do with fear of imminent death or great bodily harm.

[@NCLUSA]

Our justice system is not perfect by any means, I have seen this first hand. I went to Court 14 times because of a charge my ex-wife made against me, it cost me over 60 thousand dollars (money I didn't have, I had to take out loans) and after two years of going to court the lying bastard prosecutor dropped the case the same day we were to go to trial. After they dropped the case against me my attorney asked me "Are you happy you beat the case?" , I said sure, I lost two years of my life and now I'm in debt up to my elbows, yeah I'm happy I'm actually happy happy, (in a pig's ass). After 30 some years I still have emotional (bad emotional thoughts) about this. Oh! by the way did I mention our justice system is not perfect??????.

[@ShinLeeChan]

In many EU countries who win get their expenses paid by the counterpart. I thought it was normal in the whole world. Doesn't work the same in USA? *Shock*

[@n1mogator]

Fear for ur life and be able to prove it!!!

[@OmarKnowCars]

Massad Ayob is my favorite Arab on youtube.

[@kikupub71]

Respect

[@maxcorey8144]

In the USA you do not have to prove your innocence. It is up to the courts to prove your guilt. Well, that is how it is supposed to be anyway.

[@frankmccann29]

You folks are really cool 😎. Sign me up as legs assistant. Get in good enough shape and most lunes stay away.

[@andystitt3887]

Look at the court decisions or stautes in all the states and you will see that a justification defense needs be supported by some evidence that a reasonble doubt can be drawn from assuming its truth. Once it is known this will happen the government has to show the testimony not to be true or show it's not justified in fact.

[@MegaCyberleader]

Check this out. My best friend who was in fact abusing me decided to try and stab me over drugs I had nothing to do with. So I wrestled him down, and he turned the blade apon himself and when I tried to prevent that, because my hand was on the blade, and I thought Id go to prison the rest of my life for "killing him" did he turn and slash my wrist wide open. I still manage to hold him down untill the police came, while I bled out. I almost died from that injury on my wrist. SO in my minds eye, I kinda just wanna shoot him and make it quick cause the other method is too hard, even for somebody conditioned for martial arts.

[@s.m.whiteII]

In today’s society concealed carry insurance is a MUST!

[@julikira5219]

cci is a SCAM