A Song of Rogues and Ravens | Prince Daemon and Bloodraven

History doesn’t always repeat in A Song of Ice and Fire but it certainly does rhyme. This can be through events, settings, and characters. 2 characters who seem very different on the surface and yet are actually very similar in personality are also 2 of the most magnificent bastards created by author George RR Martin - the Rogue Prince, Daemon Targaryen and his great-grandson the bastard-born lord, Brynden Rivers.
This video is part of a collaboration with the wonderful Gray Area, a companion piece to her theory regarding Daemon’s story post-Dance.
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[@GrayArea]

Yesssss!!! Tim you knocked this out of the park!!!

[@KimberLefaye]

My two favorite shades of Grey are Area and Waste! I'm so happy to see this collaboration and am loving the lore updates!

[@feistyfan2344]

❤❤❤ SAME

[@chessmesstime]

It was interesting we got that trippy time jump before Daemon met Willem Blackwood. The two ancestors of BloodRaven, forging the first alliance between their families.

[@schemeteam2954]

Yes and it makes sense even more now how similar they are.

[@nbagirl01]

"This is your only warning.the books have been out for years!" Yeah!

[@citizen_wayne]

I also am a person who fucking hates spoilers when unsolicited. But I wholeheartedly agree with Tim on this. If a work has been out for 10+ years, fuck off with whining about spoilers. Are people just never supposed to discuss films and books that they've seen and wait around for you to get to it? It's just weirdly entitled at that point.

[@a.m.pietroschek1972]

So what? As they still believe a GRRM unable to deliver for 10 years COULD have written all those books.

[@nbagirl01]

@@a.m.pietroschek1972 it's 2024! Do we really still spill hate for no reason other than being a dick?!

[@wallybonejengles5595]

I have a feeling Daemon is the kind of guy who would have gone DEEP into the Firstmen/Weirwood lore if he hadn't grown up the direct legacy of the Dragonlords and so immersed in his heritage. Thats what was prominent to him but he is a naturally adventurous guy. To him its all fables told by the conquered little people, until he realizes its real and it shakes his foundation of reality. It is poetic for him to be the first Targaryen wedded to the trees, it makes sense when you consider it is from him and Rhaenyra that the Ice and Fire prophecy line stems.

[@Mr.Brightside8810]

I love the breakdown. I never really considered how much Daemon has in common with Bloodraven

[@EarnestTargenfyre]

They're family after all!

[@MonachusRex]

Considering how big of a fan George is for Daemon. I don't see why he wouldn't make him more OP every opportunity he gets. I bet he somehow survives God's eye and something cool happens afterwards. I'm absolutely here for it. ❤😂

[@MckenzieCalan]

Hopefully they find Aemonds skull with dark sister through it but placed on the handle of dark sister is the valerian necklace Daemon gave Rheynera.

[@MonachusRex]

​@@MckenzieCalan They have to show that. I think the show ends with Daemon's two sons embracing each other finally after years.

[@Funaabas]

@@MckenzieCalanthat would be a happy ending.

[@Guinnessdrnkr1234]

If the dragons hit the water of The God's Eye Lake and break the surface tension before Deamon dropped in, he could have survived the fall. I think.

[@latj16x]

This actually makes sense grrm mentioned multiple times daemon is his favorite character lol im pretty sure he will survive the gods eye battle because grrm already been writing new things for aemond character in season 3 & season 4

[@fisherlard]

“George ‘Riz Riz’ Martin” had me heaving 😂😂😂

[@RedJimbaRivers]

i had to pause because I was laughing so hard

[@ieatzebraarah]

What a well thought out theory Tim you killed it with this one! Love the deep dive into House Massey they definitely get overlooked when the first men debate comes up

[@ianneufville3789]

From what i have seen after episode 4 of season 2 of house of the dragons dameon really may become the three eye raven before bloodraven. Also i just thought to myself caraxes bloodwrym- brendon rivers bloodraven cant wait for a night a seven kingdoms the bloodraven character gonna be so important

[@jimmyjames24]

I love this theory. In HotD, I took the "You will die in this place" as a similarity to the way Bran Stark "died" in that cave. If Daemon gets a vision of the Night King, i can see him going beyond the wall to fight him (Especially if the secret of ASOIAF died with the other Targaryans).

[@DamnTheBeavers]

please nooo..the show is fanfic enough

[@Ittheyzezermeowpurr]

@@DamnTheBeaversthr show isn't fanfic at all

[@worldadventuretravel]

I think that Daemon's in-world ayahuasca trips are all being orchestrated from King's Landing through Larys Strong's greensight and weirwood magic.

[@GeeNoniGee]

Larys straight up said Daemon would be too distracted at Harrenal to handle anything. How did he know that? Because he KNOWS. I wonder if that's Larys' old room and weirwood bed?

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

I think it is Alys who is the boss and feeds Larys info, and tell him what to do. I think she's his mother. Or sister. Maybe aunt.

[@jobobtargaryen1258]

I love Bloodraven, can't wait to see him in the dunk and egg show.

[@Noochi]

Holy shhh iiiit! This dudes awesome. Thanks GA🐺 for bringing me here. 🙌🏼

[@SoilToSoul]

If this is going where I am pretty sure it is going, this will already be my head canon. I don't claim to be a green seer or anything, but I have a good idea and it makes too much sense to me! LML will just have to disagree lol.

[@ryuhayabusa3302]

Otherwise what's the point of all the nightmares at Harrenhall, all the visions. But the witch saying you will die in this place is a bit too on the nose and feels like his end won't be open for interpretation. Which would be unfortunate.

[@efrent-vr3bm]

Great video! This is why LML is benching Grey Waste Tim this sunday for ep5 😄

[@downtown_clownybrown]

we need a voice-over video of daemon the cat explaining HOTD while tim sits in his lap and purrs

[@christopherwichman7968]

The vast difference between how you and David pronounce triskelon always gets a chuckle out of me lol.

[@MonachusRex]

Bruh Daemon is so gonna turn into a tree wizard 😂😭

[@BTOXlC21]

Editor’s note: you need a card that compares their similarities side by side, checking all the boxes that sum up to the totality of evidence of daemon becoming the proto-3 Eyed Raven

[@ArielEveMachado]

I always thought that Daemon Targaryen was more like Bittersteel because of the gold cloaks and the Golden Company but I think you’ve converted me. I never realized how much Daemon and Bloodraven had in common. Always love your videos!

[@hollyrusso5476]

Absolutely love it! Can’t wait for more from you and GreyArea

[@user-tj5ur8ng9j]

Good work Tim, I'm a fan of you and Dave's collaborations! Your stand alone is coming along nicely sir! High five Daemon for me!

[@SoCalledGodess]

Been waiting for this to drop!

[@lordofthehouseofstormcrows8615]

Excellent work my good man. My favorite character is Daemon, then find out that he is Grrms fave Targaryen. Awesome. I'm now subscribed, I'll be around bruddah keep it up.

[@magnusnilsson1962]

Giving the algorithm its well earned appreciation.

[@JasonBronner]

great info as always, tim.

[@JaimeMason]

I love Targaryen lore. We need more of your videos & live streams. I was getting used to your Saturday lives. I'm especially interested in your Blackfyre rebellion lore. See you on Dave's channel, Sundays!

[@mori1bund]

The two Three-Eyed Crows before Bran.

[@saraseveryn8650]

Thank you, and thanks for the spoilers! I want to dig in and learn anything I can, piecing information together. I'm going to buy used fantasy books right now. I need exciting stories! Sci-fi, grimdark... I really need to read more, and I'm open to any suggestions :)

[@mariannesagard8823]

I love your Intro 💯awsome ,GreyWasteTim 🔥Looking forward to this ,I have watched some of Yours and David Lightbringer 's streams 🔥And I love them!Thank you 🙏🐲🔥

[@crd88918]

awesome video tim! many parallels i never considered!

[@quellehellam]

Awesome work Tim. Really inspiring to see how passionate you are about this world. Hope you can make this a full time gig one day

[@sebastianmacken24]

I needed this while waiting in the ER

[@ThommyofThenn]

Hope you're good😊

[@obviouslyPSM]

Been seeing you on David Lightbringer the past few weeks and when you teased this vid I knew I needed to check it out.

[@aprilmae274]

Finally...someone is giving the Massey's thier due! Massey has CLOSE ties to House Targaryen as did Bar Emmon. And YES...that Sigil is very telling! And isn't it interesting how Aemond has a Blue eye..Blood Raven has a Red eye and Tyrion has one Green eye? And the Dragon War...Red Queen, Blue Queen..and Vhagar makes Green Queen.

[@murp0443]

Great job Tim.

[@christyncain9087]

Fantastic video!!

[@stewqrtrankin3303]

Great insight as usual from our great Lord of the Grey Waste

[@manyeyedcrow9391]

Excellent video!

[@emilypennington6354]

Sooooo excited! Much love to Grey Waste Tim😊

[@hinakhodiyara7883]

Brilliant video. Thanks for sharing.

[@liamfunderground]

Amazing vid brother

[@user-uf1rn6ck6i]

Worth the waiting.

[@MrPuddle30]

Nice, glad to finally see this one

[@sophiekampitsch829]

Brilliant video❤

[@jonhauge-evaldsson783]

I almost think there is a sort of reincarnation in the story...

[@AshtheGreenMan]

Oh hells yes

[@jackiec9139]

great video

[@Aremca87]

I love this!

[@pratzuli]

Intro slaps, Tim. 🎉🎉🎉

[@kvothethebloodless3361]

This is your only warning! Fuckers lol. Awesome content! Love it.

[@edwardmartin5860]

So good and I'm here 4 it TIMMY!

[@hanesben]

Hell yeah Timbo 🤘

[@user-uf1rn6ck6i]

Awesome.

[@conniesuper9892]

Thank you thank you thank you!!!

[@tomsyn]

Just a thought watching this video....could daemon be seeing bloodraven at harrenhall and not aemond? We see he sees himself and due to the show we automatically think aemond but he could be seeing his great grandson and therefore the path he must take for it to happen?

[@0hMyLife]

19:41 The Three Eyed CROW??? LOL!!

[@LaylaTow]

I love you and David and i was excited to listen to it I just cant because my autistic brain not processing with background music 😢

[@RussellB]

So where is this "Prince Daemon's Secret" video?

[@sandche8995]

Yes please let us know if you find it

[@ladymecha8718]

8:22 🎉 Yes 👏 Elric of Melnibone is a classic.

[@ThommyofThenn]

If you dont have a library card, one can usually be obtained at no charge

[@melancholyman369]

Honestly just give these two the title of "Womanslayer" to be candid with the Elric reference.

[@leosunflowerdiva6463]

Soooo if Nettles left with a Dragon...where is it????

[@trappsters3]

i wonder where lions reside? weve seen dire wolves, and stags, but where would the lions that house Lannister be?

[@methodsocratic]

Excellent analysis dude. Well done Edit: also, while I don’t disagree that BR maaaaay have gained some wisdom & temperance in the many years he lived longer than Daemon, I still find myself leaning more towards the camp that finds BR very sus. I find myself wondering if there’s not a damn good chance he’s still the “ends justify the means” ruthless manipulator & murderer, just one now with more power & time given his position as the Three-Eyed Raven. I’m not really certain his interests align with the realms of men.

[@GreyWasteTim]

Oh he def still is. He is fully aware that Bran is warging into Hodor and yet he has not told Bran of the skinchanger taboos that Varamyr Six Skins was taught.

[@methodsocratic]

@@GreyWasteTim more & more I suspect BR is gonna go the way of Saruman (or already has).

[@ThommyofThenn]

I have to wonder if BR was still figuiring things out at the Wall. Did he know he had some time and wanted to do a long side quest? Did he foresee the decline of the Watch and wanted to bring picked men to the Wall to provide some structure? (No pun intended) Or was he being driven mad by cryptic visions and needed years to figure them out?

[@MckenzieCalan]

Hope the good cloaks turn on the greens in the shoe aswell

[@snekinrican]

Pro tip..... no background music!

[@GreyWasteTim]

Nope

[@user-fd6bo9rc2s]

"The books have been out for years" Thank you. I get so tired of hearing the illiterate whining about spoilers.

[@baldbeardedbassist]

letsgoooooooo

[@rchr5785]

❤

[@norbix-od7rt]

wait how is Daemon related to house massey>???

[@jaijoerik6233]

Queen Alyssa Velaryon’s mother was Alarra Massey. Which makes Alarra Massey Daemons Great-Great Grandmother

[@staceyvandiver]

I didn't know Damon was a bastard.

[@GreyWasteTim]

@@staceyvandiver Daemon Targaryen isn't. Daemon Blackfyre is.

[@staceyvandiver]

@@GreyWasteTim oh ok I see what you are saying

[@TrajGreekFire]

Why is house Massey in this

[@Ittheyzezermeowpurr]

😂😂did you listen ?

[@yensid4294]

👍

[@Pentagathusosaurus]

Hell y🎉

[@zacktanner4539]

someone was yelling out bible quotes and i responded with "no spoilers i havent read it yet"

[@aegorbittersteel2154]

Booooo tree monsters!!!!

[@billstephens396]

Or, Martin is such a poor writer that he HAD to rely on real world stuff to make his world come alive... Pathetic, really...

[@angela777K]

MmmmmmSpoilers. Delicious. Thanks Tim!

[@JW-ub4oi]

Great video!

[@Sarah_Shine]

Great video!