A Subjective Escorts Tier List | Star Trek Online

[@ileria3]

Legendary Defiant, Nothing better. I've tried them all, and I always end up back in this ship.

[@laughingalex7563]

Its one of those “high performing all rounders” imo. Its just slanted towards high agility and raw power.

[@jamesspencer9472]

I agree 100% I have not found a better ESCORT A Scimitar is not an escort so this video is a bit confusing. A lot of these ships were not escort. So maybe I missed something in the title. But still the Legendary Defiant is the best ship for me. That said, I can get better damage out of my Fleet Kurak is some instances.

[@laughingalex7563]

@@jamesspencer9472 well, technically the leg scimitar, is, its a juggernaut which is basically a cruiser that has commander tactical instead of commander engineering and master package closer to an escort…but trading tons of agility for insane durability. But for raw high overall performance i still think leg defiant cannot be beaten.

[@jamesspencer9472]

@@laughingalex7563 i wished the legendary Defiant had command seating. But I am sure that a lot of people would call it OP. And I could not blame them. Still it would really be nice.

[@thomasjoychild4962]

And, very importantly, you can paint an angry shark face on its nose! :P

[@MatthewBluefox]

The Maki Raider even has improved raider flanking because no cloak. :)

[@wkrick]

The La Sirena Heavy Raider is the only ship in the game that can run Cannon Scatter Volley III and Gravity Well III at the same time. That's how I use mine and it's pretty amazing.

[@s.31.l50]

Interesting to see how this kind of lists will evolve over time. Intel is way more meta than MW now with the buff, unconventional systems procs and the legendary jem hadar trait.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

With Intel buffed heavily yep MW powers are less potent.

[@warpcore8406]

Is it just me or is the video a bit behind the audio in this?

[@leefoster4133]

I was just about to ask you about this. For me: General bias: PLT is devalued, Am normally a DEW tank /Science TO/DrainX captain, Base durability > base maneuverability. Specialization: CMD, TO, MW, INT > PLT and all of the others but I don't normally see those used on ship metas. Self goal: Only one or two will ever PvP; maybe; as I have to try it first before commenting. But I may have too in order to get the core engine for given ships. Goal: Mostly to mess about, tour mission, simple missions, just a ride for some moronic ground mission, could use it on TFO's when am in the mood to not tank and basically dog fight. SO, here is the first question: Destroyers or Escorts? I haven't seen much difference here. Most of them are 4/3 or 5/2 weapons. Even comparing like models between Eng, Sci, and Tac there is very little differences. Mostly it's just console layouts. Maybe some seating changes. It would be better to make the seats universal and leave it to the player. Mastery packages on the ones I looked at; not all that happy with. At the moment am waiting on the fleet to get to tier 5 for a simple B'rel bird of prey for the Klingon as all of his ships are large/heavy. Romulan is using Morrigu-class Heavy Warbird and the Jem'hadar is using the bug I call it which is a T5U. All of the Fed captains it is the Intrepid. So, minus the silly minor use of it mostly for tour missions, a ride which I really don't need it for, and the possible need to PvP for a core engine. Do I even need a destroyer or Escort?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

(1) Generally speaking, Destroyers > Standard Escorts -- as you are replacing the 5% Defense in the mastery package with 15% CritD. Standard Escorts are generally a little more mobile on average because there are TWO MEGABUNDLES of PLT Escorts in the game -- which heavily skews them. (2) Yes, for megabundles and the like, the variants are mostly a minor difference in console & bridge officer layouts -- hence why I normally talk about them all at once in the videos instead of separately. (2b) Having full universal seating for all starships would devalue the vast majority of starship differences, so it wouldn't be financially advisable for Cryptic Studios to do so -- as selling starships is honestly how STO stays afloat. I personally disagree with their pricing model from an ethical standpoint, but it would be hard to change without forced legal involvement at this point in STO's life cycle (and it would more likely kill the game instead of the dev's changing things -- unless they do my route...). (3) TLDR -- NO, you do not need to fly a destroyer or escort in STO. Pick what you think would be fun and fly that. You can complete any of the content in STO with any of the T5U or T6 starships in the game. If you want to do elite content, the important things are specific traits/consoles to obtain to be competitive in the ISE/HSE chase; even in that scene, many of the "lower-tier" starships in this list can still perform quite well -- it is just a little harder to do so in them. PvP gets much trickier, as the meta can completely morph from patch to patch (one ship may be OP one patch and obsolete the next due to whatever new starship trait/console is brokenly strong that patch).

[@leefoster4133]

@@CounterYoloGaming Thanks for the advise. MC Stu pointed out something the other day that I forgot about. If I want to use a smaller ship on the one toon I don't have one on, I could use the Jem'Hadar Bug I call it. I don't know what it would be like flying a huge tanking craft in a PvP like the Klingon flies. As I think I will be constantly flanked in it. May try it at some point but I know a small ship I can dog flight with the best. As I know that one and the fed captain tank can't turn on a dime and that would be the bit that could get me. Then again I could be over thinking it. Maybe I should find some PvP videos to see what happens as I haven't done it here. But really, it's not my desire. I really wished they had fleet engagements where you have to be in a fleet to complete. Then the fleet would have meaning.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

And just under 2 yrs later INT and PLT are better. With MW now the weaker one in terms of powers

[@jeffbwilliams23]

Not sure if would go on this list, but for fun the other day I brought my manticore heavy destroyer out of dry dock and did a Canon rapid fire build that also had torpedo spread 3 and kemocite 3, plus voice of the profits as its experimental weapon. It's actually really fun to fly and does tremendous dps. Just thought I'd share

[@blaqbond2162]

Nice! I was waiting for this list. Love the vids!

[@madcowmoo31]

I love vid's like this, even if they are a little on the longer side. Definitely gave me something to think about as i've been eyeing up a particular ship. Just wish the video wasn't lagging soo far behind the audio. You completely skipped the Cardassian intel escort info/picture (1:39:00) before hitting the Hur'q Vridyat. Was that intentional? I was a little confused. Anyway, i think overall this was great and i'm glad you are taking the time to make vids like this. ty

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Sometimes YT is weird with uploads having their visuals & audio de-synced -- that's what happened with the video.

[@PhotriusPyrelus]

Worst Escort in the game. "If this was a cruiser, C-tier". Poor cruisers. XD

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Yep, cruisers have the most variance of power in STO. The strongest ones are competitive vs the top-tier escorts, while the weakest ones are REALLY BAD. In the composite video I couldn't upload to YT, it was entertaining for me at least going between which terrible cruisers are better/worse than which terrible science carriers.

[@matthewmoon6581]

Thank you for all the time and effort you have put into these videos!!!

[@adamwilder2943]

Not a bad video at all; however, I feel bad that a certain person I know from a general standpoint tends to dis you cause your a tank play style captain. Personally, I'm more gear towards flexibility than just blowing things up, yet I do like to have some offensive capabilities as well.

[@DarthShebs]

Legendary Defiant, Steamrunner, the Orion/Suliban Assault carriers, and the Akira Strike Wing Escort are the Escorts I fly the most. Still waiting for a squadron version of the Peregrine fighters.

[@Atharun18999]

The Akira is often put lower on lists because of the seating but I find it perfect for being able to run emergency power to weapons 2 as well as Directed energy modulation 2. For the Tac, I run CSV3, AP Beta 2, Kemocite Laced Weaponry, and Torpedo Spread 2. All while having 2 sci abilities for survivability and additional Eng abilities for healing my ship. Pet's are a bonus.

[@joshuahaxton6004]

Great stuff! Love your videos m8!

[@stephenwatson2806]

Really looking forward to the cruisers!

[@Kristophtehrussian]

Any thought on where you'd slot the da vinci into this list?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

It only has 4 forward weapons, so it would go to the very top of D-tier for that. If you don't care about wpn-layout for the escort judging, it would be a low B-tier escort.

[@Kristophtehrussian]

@@CounterYoloGaming I see - The fleet adv escort is C tier on this list and it has a 4/3 layout. I take it you value the Da Vinci over the Fleet adv escort then?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Torpedo boats are unaffected by weapon layout for the tiers, while starships that can't do torpedoes IMO should have 5 forward weapons. If you are doing a DEW boat instead of a torpedo boat, I would take the Fleet Saber over the Fleet Prometheus.

[@zerogscott2976]

Thanks for this, a lot to catch up on after a few years away. Really disheartened that the ships I want to fly are less meta, I'll probably play them anyway but kinda annoyed at the weird way Cryptic balances ships.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

Does the Scimitar get the boost here even further with the INT changes?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Yes, with the INT changes all full Cmdr/INT starships would be C-tier minimum (if not higher). The Scimitar would be boosted further -- but as the solid S-tier already for the escort general category, it wouldn't technically move in rankings at all.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

@@CounterYoloGaming Would solidify it's S tier ranking you mean?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

@@gerogyzurkov2259 yes

[@dahabs123]

well i must say your videos are quite useful. no complaints

[@Friedbrain11]

I run Malem and JHV frigates hangers on my Pralim. Works out very well indeed:) I want either the Dhailkhini or Husnock and right now it looks like the Husnock. If I was given a Hurq Vedcrid I wouldn't complain :) I already have a setup I would use on it:) Temer is better than T'Liss.

[@ThaddeusGhostal]

Auggie uses the Deimos console on some of his builds.

[@AA-jp9cj]

Combined with Universal Designs its META

[@ryanthompson5761]

Borg Juggers, I would of said S tier myself, i own 2 of them for my chars, imho i only think 2 boats get more dmg, 1 is the toilet, and the other is probably the janeway with there space wizardary, i regularly do 280k parces, and i suck at flying, my Romluan jugger has 52% crit chance and 293% severity (regular 500k-1m damage from EBM torp) The scimitar can't do that(and yes i have the Legendary scimitar) Yes it has pet's and is a bit more agile, I do disagree with the whole Aux-Bat stuff with attache, and Boimlers effect i have more than enough haste. But hey you are the youtuber, i am just a lowly newb.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

If u do the list again I definitely think quite a lot of the ships will get bumped down especially with the Termer being in a stupidity overpriced bundle now + the Temporal Razor being powerful, along with the Adamant cheaper, Recent Eagle being straight replacement of it alone bury it downwards and cheaper, etc. Not to mention the Intel bundle lvl 65 is way better now than the Termer now since Intel changes.

[@mattbrown817]

Love your videos

[@Kristophtehrussian]

Cruiser tier list where???

[@CounterYoloGaming]

It should ideally be out next week. I had a few important things IRL that took priority over finishing the presentation, but should have time tomorrow to finish the PowerPoint aspect of it -- then it's a matter of when I can find the time to record that really long video...

[@Kristophtehrussian]

@@CounterYoloGaming looking forward it :)

[@entropy11]

Is there a reason BoPs aren't in with escorts? Other than you're a tank player. ;)

[@CounterYoloGaming]

They are in there, they are a type of tactical raider.

[@entropy11]

@@CounterYoloGaming did I miss both the recruit t6 M'chla and M'chla pilot bops somehow?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

@@entropy11 I only include T6 starships with "full stats", so the recruit version & C-Store variant of the M'Chla aren't in the list. The fleet version is right after after the Legendary B'rel.

[@stephenwatson2806]

Love your vids!

[@cosmiccatalyst163]

Here is a record run on the Fleet Guramba Siege Destroyer by Chabee St'George Szentgyörgyi Csaba : kzbin.info/www/bejne/oJK2g5Z-n9Cdi68 I will be getting this ship. Thank you for bringing it to our attention. Love your view point on ships. Please keep it coming.

[@jamesejudy3]

The fleet Guramba is an excellent ship, my main KDF Tac toon has been flying one since 2016

[@mikealpha2611]

Guramba is my sexy fave don't call her ugly.

[@tash1201]

Commence the bashing!

[@jamesspencer9472]

Since when is a juggernaut an escort? Did I miss something? Not trying criticize you but the title makes no sense as many of these ships are not escorts.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

9:56 The class & subclass discussion section of the video will make it clearer to you. When we talk about "escorts" in STO, there are two ways they are referred to in-game: (1) Any starship with a standard Cmdr/Tac seat. There are 6-7 subclasses of this type of starship. (2) The specific subclass of Cmdr/Tac seating starship specifically called an "escort" Science Vessels & Cruisers have the same problem -- as they are both a subclass of starship and their name used as a baseline reference to the entire group/class of starships generally.