A Subjective Cruisers Tier List | Star Trek Online

[@gr8oone007]

I miss these four-hour slideshows 😁 Hope all is well and come back soon.

[@Retset]

The dedication to put this together ... OMG Yolo! I was a bit surprised to see the ship I use for tanking (Lego Galaxy) almost at the bottom. I chose it for Cmdr Command and that's it's Picard's ship. Looks like I'll be changing it out for the Lego Odyssey (highest C-store ship in the list)!!

[@CounterYoloGaming]

In the new lore prior to the Star Trek: Picard series, the USS Verity was Picard's old ship. Don't feel bad about it -- you are trading out one of Captain Picard's starships for another of Admiral Picard's starships memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/USS_Verity

[@Retset]

@@CounterYoloGaming Yay 😀

[@Retset]

@@CounterYoloGaming You know, in the end, I used the Odyssey skin because it just looks so damn good …

[@augustsonseventy42]

Really appreciate your videos Yolo. You obviously put a lot of time, research, work and experience into them. Been really missing your content. Hope all is well man.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I'm doing ok; thinking about doing an STO Economy video again about how to change it for the better -- that both makes players happy & makes STO more money. I might release a new video eventually, but at this point it would be sometime in later 2023 (if not later) -- as I have A LOT of things for the Solasta community to prepare/make before then.

[@dointime907]

​@@CounterYoloGaming I am glad to hear that you are ok. I have been missing your content for some time.

[@Dakrih]

I've listened to this whilst doing other stuff and appreciate hearing a different point of view on the variety of ships. It a good point that content can be done with nearly any ship and doesn't have to be "meta".

[@AugmentedDictatorGames]

Yes, the Terran Empire Frigates are worth it for supported runs. We just have the Styx player recall their pets on the tactical cube where that last huge spike of damage comes in. Having a Styx and a Vedcrid in the group as support is really nice, since the Vedcrid pets have Focused Assault II which is 15% bonus damage per Focused Assault.

[@millefune]

Great video! Thank you so much for this whole series! I do have a mild disagreement that the Cruiser with THE definitive tanking trait (History Will Remember) didn't place higher.

[@s.31.l50]

Wow the amount of work you put in to rank all those cruisers... You have my gratitude and my respect.

[@rolandbaldinger9784]

Thx a thousand times for that huge database you provided to the Community over the past weeks! This video really shows where your heart is in our Community and i think this time on reddit there won't be as much criticism as with the escorts one! That you going away from starship comparisons is understandable as it takes a lot of work to do i think, but i hope you'll still do some kind of ship reviews, now you just would have to give your opinion on a ship, which i always value even if i don't always follow (space barbie😁), and say in which tier it would fall in whatever category it would be! Looking forward to the "cookie cutter" tanking video your planning on, cause there are a lot of "guides" out there for the dps side of the game for players on a budget "not ftp" auggie has done some, especially the one one torps was great, and brought me to kinetics, mc stu and auggie has some on science and energy dps, but on tanking on an "affordable" budget, there i could just find stu 1701 with his fleet miranda build (hope you watch that one before finalizing yours). Thanks again for the awesome content you create and looking forward to what you actually plan to do on the channel! Take care and stay safe!

[@stephenwatson2806]

Been looking forward to this one lol. Great work counter yolo :)

[@jab7333]

Respect for the work! Have been very interested to see where my cruisers are on the list.

[@Gamesplayed15]

This is a 4 hour video on cruisers? Yes please.

[@BaronVeyer]

Hey @CounterYolo - amazing stuff - both for cruisers and escorts. Is there any chance you would do a 2022 version? Maybe Starship Classes (re)Explained 3.0? I sure hope you are still with us!

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I'm still around occasionally on reddit, but I am otherwise not around as much anymore. I am very slowly working on another STO Economy video, that may release in late 2023. Most of the new starships are really there for the traits/consoles/looks instead of actually performance of the starship itself.

[@BaronVeyer]

@CounterYolo Well, I just enjoy your 2-3 hours long vids: full of content, and they double as ASMR. Maybe it's just me, but I just want more of the same. 😂 I will be checking your channel for updates. :)

[@_shinga]

I personally love your Starship Comparisons, so I'm very sad that you step away from it. I'm definetely going to miss those. But beside this your Tier lists are great and I will use them in the future to make ship buying decisions easier. Thanks for all the effort you put into this!

[@giantdutchviking]

Just go back onto STO and since I hardly know how to fire my weapons, let me visit my old bookmarked vids. I noticed though you haven't been uploading much lately. Hope you are doing good and hope to see you around someday making vids again. Whether its on STO or perhaps other games.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I used to make videos because (1) It was a fun hobby & a distraction from a less-enjoyable job, and (2) because I felt I was helping & adding to the community. I have my dream job now (as of about 6 months ago), so making videos is more of a chore vs just reading articles & such related to my job. Additionally, the STO community has grown to also cover much of what I used to cover on the channel [seriously, go back 5 years ago: "tanking" mechanic videos were almost nonexistent -- now there are both tanking AND support video guides out there for STO]. Combined with lack of casual FTP additions to the game (everything is limited-time FOMO or paid right now), most of the videos I cover in the past don't need to be covered in the future. It's sad when my Budget Builds: 2020 Edition is still accurate 2 years after release... Starship Comparisons are an abbreviated format via text in the discussions section, as the feedback I received was that the raw stats to cover the starships wasn't needed anymore from the community. Beyond that, the other videos I make take significantly longer. At some point in the future, I'll have another economy video. When it will come out? Not sure honestly.

[@giantdutchviking]

​@@CounterYoloGaming I saw I never responded while I can remember typing a response. Congratulations on finding your dream job, I am really happy for you. I know first hand that having the wrong job can suck the life right out of you, so good for you. If you ever decide to make new vids, I'll happily watch them. For now I fully understand why you don't see need/find time to make them. You are right there are several other content creators, I just remembered you as providing laid back, easy to follow info on the game. But seeing the backlash Augmented Dictator seems to receive, perhaps it's also not the best time to create new vids. The community sure did seem to be changed since I left it the last time. For now good luck on your endeveours and thanks for providing the content you did in the past. PS: am I correct you did some work on STObuilds SETS (new GUI builder for STO)? If I remember I saw your name in providing some content for the tool. If so, thanks for this, looks really promising.

[@dragonscoils8149]

@@CounterYoloGaming Thank you for your hard work putting these guides together. I've thoroughly enjoyed them. I'm thankful that they are still viable for the near future and can be used as an excellent reference. Best of luck!

[@danielzaba9913]

@@CounterYoloGaming I appreciate all of the work you´ve put in the community, and you´ll alaways be up there with the classics like Auggie and Stu.

[@ShadowOfMachines]

I recently dusted off my old account and started playing again. This has saved me some time and money. I really wanted to get a Keldon, but while you had the stats up I went and looked at my old Tier 5U Galor. It seems to be close enough, don't really need to get that other shiny one. I'd still like one for my Cardassian character, but I don't think it would be much of an improvement over the double upgraded Galor I've got still kicking about. Think I'll just work on getting her kit upgraded and a more useful built put together.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

So with the INT changes would Galaxy and Vengeance get ranked higher? Along with Leg Dredex cause the new trait seems to make MW and cursive resharing 1 seem worth during or is still bad?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Full-spec INT starships would rank a little higher, though it makes a bigger difference for lower-ranked starships vs higher-ranked ones. The Legendary D7 would get the biggest boost -- getting close to the Inquiry in A-tier with the new changes. If anything, MW was made a little worse vs other options -- which is fine; it was the go-to for almost all builds besides exotic, so it being just the more generalist specialization is fine now.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

@@CounterYoloGaming So you saying that with both Galaxy X and Vengeance would bump it up A tier also right?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I'd need to do some re-counting in the tiers to make sure. It's definitely on the A/B edge either way & solid starships to fly.

[@Ghost_in_the_machineworks]

I miss ya Yolo!

[@davidwoolley4610]

What do you think are the top ships to get in the game are?

[@Friedbrain11]

My Fleet Pralim is my goto ship as it is a flight-deck carrier and it really does great. I run 4 frigates in the hanger bays. I run Malem/JHV frigates. I like the looks of the Voth Rampart and I would love to try it out one day. I did a mine ship using the Vorgon Ytijara ship. It was fun and then I set it back to torp and energy. yeah going through Delta when it first came out was brutal.

[@FeeriiEekii]

For the love of Spock! 4 hours of evaluations, comparisons and rankings...., mad respect👍💪🖖 Also: Legendary Gal-X finally getting some well deserved praise 🙂 I did not expect the Miracle Worker Cruisers and especially the Oddy's in such a low tier😱

[@s.31.l50]

Legendary Galaxy Dreadnought is great once you get her pointed at the target. The trouble is pointing her at the target.

[@aitskimoro9035]

It is a subjective list to remember haha

[@FeeriiEekii]

@@s.31.l50 competitieve engine, Phoenix DOFF and EptE on the hotbar (mostly) solve this problem😋👍

[@Ookamimoon66]

So I know the kirk is meh but what would be a better alternative? I hate the J its lack of mobility to me is scary. Although I do know someone who uses it for pvp. (its impossible to kill 1v1 without a specific set) I like cruisers but want to use temporal abilities but its hard to figure what ship would be best. Any suggestions would be welcome Yolo, I prefer 5/3 but 4/4 would work as well.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

The Promo TOS Connie is just the Kirk but better (w/o access to DHC's though). If you want Cmdr/TO but want to use DHC's on an engineering starship chassis, the B-tier Cmdr/TO starships are all good. The Legendary DSC Connie or Legendary Miranda will be better for you for a 5/3 layout, or C-Store Chronos or Fleet Sagittarius for a 4/4 layout. If you want Cmdr/TO but are ok going to the escort list, the Lobi Husnock Warship or the Fleet TO Warships are also strong contenders.

[@Ookamimoon66]

@@CounterYoloGaming Thanks Yolo! Probably gonna get a Husnock as I like it's maneuverability and the trait is good for BO builds. I would get a Connie but I'm not gonna get my hopes up.

[@Biodune]

Wasn't the Nagus only given away to influencers?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

The criteria for what they considered an "outstanding support for the game" remains undefined. Some people think it was a certain $$$ amount in a specified period of time, participation on the forums, other social media, etc -- or maybe just an arbitrary whoever the community manager liked at the time. Cryptic Studios, to my knowledge, hasn't actually gone out and publicly said what the criteria was. I imagine the answer is worse than keeping us in the dark. sto.fandom.com/wiki/Ferengi_Nagus_Marauder

[@Ghost-hj5jy]

So where would u put the Mirror Lexington in this?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Alongside the fleet Shepard

[@Ghost-hj5jy]

@@CounterYoloGaming Really? I thought it would be more closer to it's command counterpart and to Inquiry. Like Mid.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

It's already in A-tier, which is already high for a 4/4 DEW platform. MW+INT brought it up to B-tier, and flagship consoles access brought it up to A-tier. If it had MW+TO seating, it would have been on-par with the other full-spec Odyssey. Still a great & affordable ship.

[@leefoster4133]

Well, I would like to have a dreadnought without hanger bays. But most I have been seeing has CMD seat(s). If the ship is a MW then the engineer seat would be better to be MW. They can make the tac position CMD. The weapons should be 5/3 as the only other way to get the other weapons to bear is to broadside if it is 4/4. If it has to have a hanger bay then I will replace whatever it is with Elite Shield Repair Units from fleet.

[@leefoster4133]

Mate! If it has hanger bays it drops a full level for me. I would rather have hull over the hanger bays. So, if I would classify it as an "A" but if it has hanger bays then it goes to a "B". As carriers are support ships and not a tanking vessel. Torpedoes aren't really a good tanking platform. You are better off with DEW or TO if science.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Vaadwaur Juggernaut or Liberated Borg Juggernaut is what you want to fly -- as they are of the dreadnought subclass for tactical starships, and don't have hangar bays.

[@leefoster4133]

@@CounterYoloGaming The Borg one would be good but it's no longer on the exchange. If it was it would go for around 200 M EC which I don't have as I just got back into this about two years ago and I have to do this with everything else as I have time.

[@mikealpha2611]

Cardassian FDC is 1 of my favorite leveling ships I run it with Surgical strikes and ERL. Not breaking any records but fun little ship.

[@aitskimoro9035]

YES YOU DID IT!

[@michaelmacleod6517]

For the stats on the Kirk class alone, it should have been a C store purchase. I mean, if the devs even tried they could have put more effort into it to be a promo box.

[@Bubble_0f_d00m]

"It will take me a lot longer to get to the tldr on reddit vs other videos, so that ones going to take a while, maybe it'll show up in next week." A year and a half later... :D Seriously hope you get back to making videos, you're very informative and we miss you.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I am doing ok, thanks for asking! I have had this discussion with people on reddit for a while on making more YT videos; it's true these have mostly been in private DM's instead of in the public, so here's a copy/paste answer as to whether I will make videos for STO & Solasta in the future: "It's a tricky balance. Making videos means I will make money on the content again -- which wasn't ever the point of my content. It has to be something that cannot be sufficiently covered in reddit posts & comments to justify going to YT. There are at least 2 videos that meet this requirement that will be released eventually, but it may take a while -- as that will be done in my "free time", which I have very little right now. As for STO: there's an video I will eventually make, that will cover my estimation of how much STO costs to run + how to make monetization better for both players & Cryptic Studios (aka my solution to the DilEx issue, EC inflation, & starship bloat on the player exchange). The point of the post is to show what the baseline revenue of the game likely is + how to ensure that the changes I suggest will be a net-positive in both revenue for the game + QOL of the playerbase. The hardest parts of this video -- the numbers of it -- is already done. It's the making of the video that will take a while. As I care little about STO at this point, I will probably make it after all of my Solasta stuff is finished (right now, will be going until at least Summer 2023 at this point). As for Solasta: once my free Unofficial Solasta Sourcebook releases (the current "endgame" of all the reddit posts & external documents I am making for the community), I will likely do a video talking about all the goodies that are included in that." I made the comment above about 3 months ago, before the Pillar of Ice DLC for Solasta was announced (coming out in May 2023), so it will take more than Summer 2023 to do the other stuff I am wanting before getting back to eventually making the STO video. Hopeful timing is around Christmas 2023 for a release for it.

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

With the ISO mags pretty much any engineering heavy ship on engineering console with at least 4 or more gets D at least and with MW even more so mid -high D at min imo. Pretty much the biggest shake up.

[@jialersim7685]

What happened to the fleet miranda cookie cutter tanking video?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I decides to stop making videos. Nothing much more to it than that. I might eventually put out a few more videos in late 2023 or 2024 for STO and Solasta, but not sure yet. Builds videos won't happen anymore.

[@jialersim7685]

​@@CounterYoloGamingwhere do you think the Bozeman Intel heavy frigate sit at in the tier list?

[@g590412]

Yoooo im guessing you quit. Is it just me or are there a lot of STO creators going silent?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

I am around occasionally on thr STO subreddit, but I am otherwise fairly silent on the game, yes. STO is as close to maintenance mode as it can be without completely going there (older missions being removed instead of updated/maintained, & only things added that directly improves profits). I do daily grinds for things that are interesting in the game still (like the recent anniversary starship), but the game is far less interesting than it was in years past. Most of the STO creators that are left do something other than just STO -- whether that is a full-time job or they supplement their content with other video games, which shouldn't be an issue on an MMO. STO, without the foundry & with less & less actual content each year, is just less enticing to dedicate consistent time to. Only players that actually want maxed-out endeavor points will login daily, and that is a small subset of players.

[@legionbowen1292]

The vengeance is available account wide if they are selling the "beyond" mudd bundle fyi but they probably sell the legendary galaxy x bundle more 🤔 😉

[@gwenmorse8059]

Please CounterYolo, come back (if Covid hasn't taken you down yet)!!!!

[@gerogyzurkov2259]

So ranking on the Sagan?

[@CounterYoloGaming]

It's the Styx except LtCmdr/TO instead of LtCmdr/INT, and a promo ship instead of lockbox -- alongside worse stats & a worse subclass (cruiser instead of dreadnought cruiser). It's still an A-tier torpedo platform as Cmdr/CMD + LtCmdr/TO is still a good combo, but with the INT buffs I still think the Styx is better. It is a good ship, but there are better ships at the price point IMO.

[@Hammahlovesyou]

I run a theme Excelsior that gets ~75k dps, pretty pathetic by current standards, but oh boy she's a looker 🥰

[@laughingalex7563]

Honestly wish i could just toss the singularity core for a warp core. I feel singularity cores need a second look at as they are just streight up inferior in the current state of the game, and this is coming from someone who; Doesnt dps parse. Only typically plays random normal or advanced(on mid/higher tier characters). I still fly quite a few warbirds, but i have never touched the cruiser equivilants except the miracle worker tactical warbird. And leg d’deredix to get the lulz trait (that got nerfed understandably)cause i wanted the leg scimitar and so had it anyways. I could never bring myself to get any of the others no matter how cool they looked. I can also point out, romulan ship have weaker shields in the cruiser category to due to missing shield frequency missing. And lower recharge due to lower power levels on top of missing shield recharge and resistance. (Edit, moved comment into this post).

[@huggiesunrise]

I am so sorry it's like I'm thinking oh he just doesn't have a lot of time he's working on it like a 2-hour video this fucking thing is for fucking hours you're like a freaking legend

[@mattbrown817]

I really miss your videos come back soon

[@CounterYoloGaming]

Working on it -- it's a struggle right now for a much different reason then I initially expected. I'll probably have a video in February talking about it.

[@mattbrown817]

@@CounterYoloGaming just know your very appreciated. I have some health problems your voice helps keep me calm and obviously STO is a full time learning process. Hope all is well.

[@laughingalex7563]

So any comments on the new phoenix system? I took a hit for the team and purchased 1000 boxes with 4 million dilithium purchased with 80 dollars of zen, specifically so I could get some numbers. On a plus if they had been legit sure I'd get some epics. If not I'd get to post the results either way to say whether it'd be worth opening for higher rewards or not. Unfortunately.....Epics still seem stupidly rare to a point of being useless. I got some numbers for you, if you want I can even send a screenshot of them: 486 Rare tokens 364 VRare Tokens 150 URare Tokens 0 Epics The new Phoenix box system seems and feels like a rip off imo. I took the hit for the team

[@CounterYoloGaming]

The change to the phoenix system is similar to the changes in many grocery stores in recent months, where you are charged the same for a box of cereal that is the same visual "size" but there is less cereal in it. It is a change due to inflation. They would rather do the change this way than directly increasing the prices of the phoenix packs. We've seen this type of inflation change in other places in STO as well. I'm not happy with it, but I understand their internal justification.

[@tyneskipper]

I do like these videos. amy personal biases in the game aren't built on DPS or barbie. just whatever ship makes sense to my character at the time i created them. as long as i can survive then it's good

[@ThaddeusGhostal]

Love the Section 31 ship. Use it on my eng main.

[@kegorogers]

I waited patiently for my beloved Nimitz. So patient. The Miranda's big brother suffers again because of layout and tactical slots. Sigh. Hey Cryptic, Europa Command Heavy Battlecruiser and fleet variant with four tactical slots please.

[@mattbrown817]

Ok just a note. I noticed the Led. TOS Connie is in the C category, and ranked last. I disagree. I have always been underwhelmed with the Sovereign class in STO, it deserves better. Of this you and I are in total agreement, however I am convinced that sprinkled throughout the game, are hidden modifiers of various types. I believe, and maybe this is borderline conspiracy theory, that the LED TOS Connie is laden with these hidden modifiers. I grew up during the TNG area, and thus the fondness that many have for the original Connie, I have instead for the Galaxy and it's variants, especially the Ross as being a mix of the Galaxy and Sovereign, yet I digress. When I tried the Connie out for the first time, I was amazed by the feel of the ship, unhindered as it was by nostalgia. I made a note of this, and I am still in the data collection phase but I aim to prove that this ship is far more powerful than the stats would indicate alone. I believe firmly, that this is a B tier, and I take the Tanking role into consideration per your overall aim. Convince me otherwrise.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

(1) The Legendary TOS Connie is not ranked last in the C-tier category; it is actually quite high up on the C-tier starship section, quite close to B-tier for my subjective list. There are quite a few starships that are meaningfully weaker than the Legendary TOS Connie for me. (2) Hidden modifiers in the game? I'm not sure what you are referring to here. There are things that passively enhance your starship that may not be apparent (like traits, the endeavor system, your starship mastery, etc). There's also other stats that others overlook often, like how turn/impulse/inertia combine to give a certain feel to starships of being sluggish or more mobile (especially when combined with the starship's size, and the TOS Connie is one of the smaller ships in STO) -- which sounds like what you are referring to here. There technically is the aspect of starship profiles that can affect how a starship feels, that I've talked about in an older video for fun -- kzbin.info/www/bejne/e3fZnZmslq6naM0 -- that I *suppose* is a hidden modifier in some ways? Again, I don't know what you are exactly referring to here to help you figure out what you are not seeing. The stats I have for the starships are based on what is on the STO Wiki; sometimes those stats & descriptions are inaccurate (pointing it out enough made my stat suggestions for the older MW cruisers *finally* stick, as a basic example...). Could the base stats of the Legendary TOS Connie have been a little adjusted without directly telling the playerbase in a patch? Perhaps. Feel free to do the manual labor of testing baselines of standard starships for references w/o traits vs the Legendary TOS Connie to prove the adjusted stats if you wish; as for me, what I have shared I feel is sufficient for judging the starships fairly -- and a little better mobility than listed isn't going to move the starship out of C-tier for me personally. (3) I gave my subjective opinions in my tier lists; I'm not here to say "You have a different opinion; you are obviously wrong & must be beaten into submission to believe what I believe." If you like the Legendary TOS Connie and feel it is a B-tier starship, then adjust your personal starship tier list to your liking and put it in B-tier!

[@mattbrown817]

@@CounterYoloGaming Oh your right my bad. I guess I would modify my previous statement by saying I would put it higher. Maybe I was medicated when I wrote that. I'm re-reading it now... yes I was. The hidden modifiers I can explain, a basic example would be a particular piece of gear. let's say Phaser Dual Beam Bank for this example. The Phaser Dual Beam Bank says that it does x number of things... deals damage, gives crit chance etc. Now... a hidden modifier would be that this Dual Beam actually has built into it an additional 10% bonus damage however that particular piece of information never shows up in any tool tip, description, etc.

[@CounterYoloGaming]

@@mattbrown817 Generally speaking for weapons, you look at the modifiers on the weapon (CritH, CritD, Dmg, etc.) for what extra things you have on it + whatever weapon proc it is for energy weapons (torp's are a little different to decide between). The only weapon I can recall that has something truly strong that isn't easily discernable in the description is the advanced piezo-polaron's "technical overload" proc -- which makes beam overload builds with it especially effective. Something like that wouldn't apply to a standard "run-of-the-mill" phaser beam bank. What a weapon's description says it will do when it comes to dps will be drastically different than reality, due to a LOT of factors on your build, power level management, resistances (positive or negative on an enemy), how you pilot in a TFO, etc. The reliable way to figure out how good something is, honestly is to just test it vs something else with similar build/piloting -- it's for this reason why STO run videos are popular, as they help show what is good and what is less effective.

[@nodrama4254]

Happy New Year CounterYolo Gaming. Just thought I would post this link of a T5-X Dual Heavy Polaron Cannon Budget Build we did for players to copy and review. kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqCpkKamfJl1idk Hope you enjoy. Bows LLP

[@CounterYoloGaming]

The build looks akin to the classic "drake" builds from back in the day, but it is functional on the cheaper side of things. There are a few starship traits obtained from the player exchange (e.g. lootboxes) instead of from missions/crafting -- so it doesn't 100% fall into my personal definition of budget builds -- but still a cheaper workable build.

[@mattbrown817]

Wow a movie!

[@dahabs123]

alright took your advice got a styx not really my style. well see how it goes. mayb ill sell it. nahhh its mine now,i dot flip

[@zerogscott2976]

Why can't my two romulan mains have nice things? One's an engineer to boot. 😈

[@spiralbanzai4985]

First off, I did enjoy the video and found the information useful. With that being said, this video was a slog to watch. Maybe if you could have divided it up someway. Like just doing one sub category per video or something.