A(T)-129 Mangusta Family | Warthunder

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Discord server is finally done lads!

[@RivalRebel13]

Can't effing wait!

[@NotShilKa]

You have 2 days. -Heli enjoyers mafia

[@Bob_Dickinson]

oh blyat... OH NO 2 DAYSSSS???@@NotShilKa

[@HUGGIESroxFace]

@@Bob_Dickinson More like 46 hours.

[@eyeZitsme]

Exciting

[@justfly7730]

I was working near Tusaş, the manufactoring plant for T129 and it has crazy maneuverability. Also the requirements for operating in high altitudes and mountain regions dictated some changes. There were serious problems at the beginning of the program but they got better and upgraded the first batches of helicopters later on. It is nearly totally different from A129. It is longer so the fuselage is different from A129. Avionics and most components are different. Although it begin as a copy of A129, they were forced to go and from the experience gained from Agusta there are a couple of indigenous projects in Turkey now.

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Oh well it is quite fascinating to see there is infact a major diffrence between the models. To be honest I thought they are all the same. But gotta give kudos to turkey, they are doing and incredible job. Especially with T929 . Thanks alot for the info man! I totally appreciate it!

[@sneakysnek8416]

​@Bob_Dickinson there's also the new indigenous T-129 which is currently a prototype. It's classified as a heavy attack helicopter

[@halilreissedyeci1956]

it has italian body(a129) and american engine(lhtec cts800)

[@Phapchamp]

UMTAS irl is a SPIKE analogue. It is fire and forget but gaijin added the laser guided variant of the missile which obviously suffers from having the same rocket engine as the fire and forget variant. Which needed to be slow in the first place so IIR seeker could work more reliably.

[@gronthgronth2628]

I've seen T-129 ATAK during Airshow in my country about 10 maybe more years ago. It looked quite nice, and both italians and turks were pitching it to sell it as a license to Poland. It was not even considered which baffled me and some people at the time, especially considering that our ministry cut the budget on development of our own attack helicopter and decided to sit with old Mi-24's. Year later, about now, ex defence minister that was in power back then is being screened as allegedly he and his surroundings were connected to russian inteligence and that they allegedly worked to undermine the defense capabilities of Poland.... makes sense in perspective.

[@Jan191]

as a Turkish citizen I have been ordered to inform you that you've gained +5 social credit points due to your favorable review of the T-129

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Thank you so much my friend! Allah bless you and allah bless Türkiye ! 07

[@kasimir9203]

you madlad!

[@sakwa2944]

Love your videos but I have to say that Italy has an amazing 10.3 line up with the A129CBT. The dardo/HITFIST, leopard 2A4, the ariete (p), centauro, Sidam25 mistral, and the G91YS (I get why you might not want to get this one but it’s a decent ground attacker) make a great line up. The CBT give it a wonderful addition to the lineup to change up the dynamic of the lineup to however you see fit! Sorry I had to make sure my Italian mains are represented bc that line is by far one of MY favorite lineups

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Thanks for sharing the info on the ground RB man! Unfortunately I don't have experience in ground realistic battles that's why I really couldn't put my opinion on how it works, im glad that experienced players like you guys help us alot in these situations!❤

[@eliradinsky7088]

Exactly my thought too, having such a fleshed out heli with 8 hellfires at 10.3 makes for an insane ground pounder

[@BlackThanator]

The name Mangusta/Mongoose stemming from it being the Cobra killer is just great. I think the reason you rarely ever see the Turkish premium is, besides Italy's already low player count, that it doesn't really have a good missile. The L-UMTAS packs a hefty punch but it's agonizingly slow, while the CIRIT lacks post-pen damage and is very hard to aim due to its exceedingly poor maneuverability and narrow acquisition cone, making them even more difficult to use than APKWS (at least to me, I can hit stuff far more reliably with the APKWS). It takes a lot of effort to make work. Also fun fact about the ATAS, the proxy fuse not working is because they don't have one. They're AIM-92E Stingers which lack the proxy fuse, rather than AIM-92K's which do have one.

[@rickdubbink]

Little question, how do you use the APKWS? I tried using a pod of them next to Hellfires on the AH-1Z, got like a kill here and there on anti air or a BMP, but I usually just fired all rockets at different archs at the same time

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Oh yes of course and I have to say the name chosen for that helicopter was pretty damn incredible. But yeah not a lot of people play the Italian tech tree and the only way you can access to their helicopters is through the t129. The Casual players will say the helicopter is unplayable. But people Who Experience the Italian tech tree no exactly well how to make the helicopter work. And I'm going to be honest I am not even sure if the stingers are even modelled based on the e or k variants because the game does not even say it's varient. And sadly im not familiar with e or K stingers on the ground SPAA or their differences to begin with. But yea overall the T129 was not as bad as ppl told me.

[@BlackThanator]

@@rickdubbink It takes a bit of practice to guesstimate the rockets trajectory after launch but basically, get the rocket to launch so it travels as close as possible to the target on the regular ballistic trajectory, have the target lazed and aim for weakpoints. They don't have a lot of pen or explosive filler so in Heli PvE it's basically a must to aim for ammo racks. One rule I've set myself is not to try and engage below 1.5km, and that's after getting good with judging launch trajectory. If you're struggling, don't engage under 2km. APKWS don't turn very well so if your launch isn't good or you aren't far enough away, the rocket won't be able to steer on target in time.

[@BlackThanator]

@@Bob_Dickinson The difference between the E and K Stinger in the game is basically just that the E is direct-hit only, while the K has a 2m radius proxy fuse. Otherwise they're virtually identical. Unfortunately Gaijin chose to use the E model in the ATAS launchers, meaning they require a direct hit to detonate, and server lag can sometimes make it look like it proxy fused when in reality the target was simply rendered slightly out of position, like convoy vehicles in PvE are notorious for.

[@rickdubbink]

@@BlackThanator thank you

[@ActuallyNotIlmatar]

Little correction on 13:20. ATAS don't have a proxy fuse. It feels non-existent, because there is none.

[@Bob_Dickinson]

why ... why ... WHY IT HAS TO BE LIKE THIS??? WHY CANT WE HAVE ONE SING- aight man thanks alot for the info... legit i hate the stingers :(

[@Jan191]

A little sidenote on the L-UMTAS - while yes, it is classified, firing tests of it do exist out there - and the speed that Gaijin gave it is completely accurate. Another great video, can't wait for the Discord to open

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Man I swear to God... im about to cry ;-; y so slow ? But still its not that bad. And thank you so much man! We are working in it, it should be finishing it soon!

[@sneakysnek8416]

​@@Bob_Dickinsonit's meant to be a cheap and accurate ATGM that can also deal with infantry. Reason is due to turkey having to fight dozens of rebels in Syria, Iraq and technically libya (although it was only the drones that carried the UMTAS

[@radonsider9692]

​@@Bob_Dickinsonreason is L-UMTAS is a derivative of "UMTAS", which is a Man in the loop/Fire and forget/update, thus making the missile going slower allows more room for the controller, a very neat feature especially when you keep in mind that UMTAS is the main long range ATGM of TAF with newer versions having around 16km range

[@radonsider9692]

L-UMTAS stands for Laser-UzunMenzilliTankSavar Füze Sistemi (standa for long range AT system)

[@radonsider9692]

Also, Cirit's in theory can be used from your standard rocket pods, but TAF was not interested.

[@eliradinsky7088]

Very good video, and I'm really glad someone appreciates these underrated helis, but at 17:37 you mentioned the CBT gets no lineup, when in reality it gets a wonderful lineup. Perhaps at the time of this videos release the BR brackets were a little different. Having 8 hellfires at 10.3 with thermals and all the bells and whistles makes for a VERY potent ground pounder

[@Bob_Dickinson]

thanks man! ireally appreciate it! so yea... at that time my knowledge about Ground RB was absolutely limited, i dont think hungarian heli tree was barely even coming into the game and i wasnt a "Decent Player" at that time, specially when i only had US M1A1Aim at that time. thankfully i got more knowledge on it now and yea... its nice, honestly. specially compared to the MI-24 V.

[@eliradinsky7088]

@Bob_Dickinson I grinded out the Mi 24V hoping it would be a good addition to my 9.7 Italian lineup, and while it's good, it's not nearly as capable as the Mangusta relative to it's BR

[@HUGGIESroxFace]

Love that you did a video on the Mongoose! Great presentation, as usual. I will say, from a HeliPvE perspective the A129 Intl and T129 are a bit more profitable (SL) and easier to use in the higher PvE bracket than the Mi-24P. -- mainly in taking out SPAA from further away. While the Mi-24P can be all the dakka, it has to get up close and personal to do it. From a Ground RB perspective, people sleep on the A129 Intl. Having Hellfire Bs compared to (current)L-UTMAS is a nice trade off for losing the 20mm. I agree CIRITs are way better than people think, but they require more discipline and skill to use (due to their tiny laser seekers) compared to Hellfires.

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Thank you so much man!❤❤Yep! It pretty much explains with the international p.

[@graphitegamez605]

Holy shit, the legend himself.. damn 😏

[@Bob_Dickinson]

ayy mah man! o7

[@ODST_Parker]

Absolutely fantastic, and thanks so much for this one! Well done, as always. It's not my favorite helicopter in the world, nor is it the best in the game, or even the easiest to grind. I just really like Italy, and how many unique vehicles and aircraft they've produced. No Apache, no Tiger, but a fully Italian gunship with all the bells and whistles. Does its job, looks amazing, and gives us great lineup options at top-tier. The 10.3 lineup is actually really good for the CBT, assuming it still exists by the time I have it. And there's the problem. I have the A129 International Preserie, and nothing else. Haven't done much with it either, but I will. The grind is just too damn long, and because I won't be playing 11.7 ground for quite a while yet, I don't prioritize it at all. One day. One day...

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Thank you so much man I absolutely appreciate it I'm happy that I experienced the Italian helicopters by myself. Honestly if I wasn't I would have probably had a negative opinion on most of those helicopters

[@Minermatt123]

Great to see the 129 vid hope ya keep the content running

[@Bob_Dickinson]

That's the plan man! Ill try my best. Thabk you so much for your support!❤❤

[@AdaaDK]

@@Bob_Dickinson I love your vidoes too, but the only thing i find lacking in your helli reviews is the deeper explanation on if the hellis in question has important technical features, such as IRCM, RWR, Radar, MAW. For some reason gaijin made it enoying to find those details sometimes ,and it can be hard to dig it up, something to add for any changes in teh future or any re-reviews perhabs.

[@jk0619]

20:18 as someone who grinded the UHT before the tank grind for helis was a thing… I feel that pain.

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Oh yea... thank god the tank grind for helis came in

[@teawiththeadmiral8025]

Ahh, love these helis, wish they weren't such a annoying grind

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Yea me too... they need to reduce the prices for the Stark helicopters to make them less painful

[@nicksonassailant8480]

I have the premium one and it's heavily underrated. It's VERY GOOD if you use it correctly.

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Yep, pretty much, do u mean the t129 atak or the international p

[@nicksonassailant8480]

@@Bob_Dickinson I've got ATAK. It pretty damn good! Not op in any way ofc. But still good. Love the content btw!

[@Bob_Dickinson]

@@nicksonassailant8480 oh yea the ATAK is nice! Thak you so much i really appreciate it!

[@IceGuadian]

i wish that the t-129 got a RWR again because it had a turkish indiginous designed one but instead of looking into it a bit, they just removed it

[@jk0619]

Finally a new vid!!! Each Time a cinematic masterpiece

[@Bob_Dickinson]

thanks alot man! i really appreciate it o7

[@SetouchiQueens]

One thing the UHT and 129D have in common, the grind leading to them absolutely stinks. Italy has the neutered Huey as a starter heli, and Germany has the two BO105s (not bad helis, but I kinda wish they folder the damn things at least, having to slog through two, basically identical helicopters is just stupid IMHO) While it is true that you can grind helicopters in tanks, I absolutely detest top tier ground RB gameplay, and you get penalties in RP gain for grinding with lower rank vehicles. Yikes. Guess I'm gonna be stuck grinding for the PAH-1 for a while...

[@Bob_Dickinson]

yep... imean atleast Italy has MI24s now, but germany starts somewhat decent with allouette 2... but still its painful to grind ithem

[@sneakysnek8416]

He did it :)

[@Bob_Dickinson]

yos i finally did it! :DD

[@toki_tsu_kaze5511]

Nice review, though a bit unexpected veridicts from my experience with them

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Well thanks mate! In what way tho?

[@toki_tsu_kaze5511]

​@@Bob_Dickinson I would say the A129C since that is a very recommended vehicle, since Italy has a much bigger lineup of viable vehicles in 10.3 compared to the 11.7 lineup(especially considering how "special" playstile you have to do to make the Arietes work considering their speed and total lack of armor) Also look at british Lynx at same BR with less capabilities, that its kinda funny though i dont play british tanks so idk about how big the 10.3 lineup for britain is And seeing that A129int being much worse with lack of mistrals and lack of 20mm turret is at same BR of the A129C and T129 also needs its own special playstile to make it work at the same BR, I I can agree with the veredict on the A129int and the T129 And I totally agree with the A129D, got the Spikes this monday and they are so braindead to use in heli pve, first time rocky canyon map feels playable instead of the purgatorium it usually is, cant say the same for ground rb since there is a big lack of viable groumd vehicles for italy at 11.7 unlike 10.3 In the end, is funny to see gaijin decided to add very inferior variants as the premiums for italy instead of adding a copypaste with skin like every other heli tree, except sweden that gets an unique heli as premium and russia that get the ka50 that is inferior to the ka52 but with a much lower BR to compensate

[@stacker00]

really want a video on the german bo 105 helis

[@Bob_Dickinson]

@@stacker00 omg I wish I could have made it sooner. All eventually make it man 💙

[@stacker00]

@@Bob_Dickinson the first day i found your channle about a year ago i venge watched all your videos. you are am amazing editer. ive ben grinding helis every since i seen your hkp2 video. keep up the great work THANK YOU for the reply. cant wait for your next awsome video.

[@berk6775]

Do you think ka 50 is still the best premium heli after the changes to atgms or is still worth to buy

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Well its not as terrifying as before when it had the missiles, now best thing you can do is 3 missiles guided together. But the ka 50 is still a great heli, ,sure its weight limit got nerfed, sure its ATGM got nerfed, sure it might nit have the best optics, but its stilly tanky and great honestly

[@speckiderkarpfen]

eyyyy new vid

[@Bob_Dickinson]

ayy man! i hope you enjoy it!

[@UAGhostrider]

the waiting is over boys :D

[@Bob_Dickinson]

YESSS! my god it took too much time to make it... but finally its done, sry for the wait

[@kasimir9203]

bro had to say cbt WAY more times than comfortable btw, how did the YT censor like that?

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Oh yea... italian army did shorten it to CBT... and while it might be a torture method now, im not sure italian army knew ABOUT it LOL. But yea i did some major typos on those sections of the video, thats why it was censored .. coz yt didnt do it lol it was me... ALLL ALONG!❤

[@kasimir9203]

Regardless of any typos still S tier content! Keep it up!

[@torgeirlundbekk7749]

Best light attack-heli i game! (My opinion😤)

[@OliverTHEBoss16]

maybe the cirits got a nerf because when i have been using them at around the 6km distance they seem to get into a feedback loop and miss

[@OliverTHEBoss16]

or it could just a be a skill issue

[@Bob_Dickinson]

bruh... sadly my test drive for that thing is over and i dont know how CIRITs are now... i have to try it once i buy it again

[@OliverTHEBoss16]

@@Bob_Dickinson good video though deserves more love

[@Bob_Dickinson]

@@OliverTHEBoss16 thanks my friend! O7

[@OliverTHEBoss16]

@@Bob_Dickinson hey i think they had updated the cirits you know, they made it so you get a ccip so you can know where abouts they are going to go

[@Phapchamp]

Btw your Turkish isnt that bad ;)

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Ayy man thank you! :v

[@TheOrdomalleus666]

What is SPI and LDR actually?

[@Bob_Dickinson]

SPI (sensor point of intrest), ithink is what happens when you press F and your camera stablizes will get a lock. and LDR is laser designator, using lasers to guide missiles rockets like hellfires n laser guided targets and im not sure if its related to this but, think is when you aim at an enemy and lock on it using infrared signatures

[@jean-philippebobin3732]

The French Tigre is so much better than the German one, roquettes suck but fat 30mm with aphe rips everything in heli pve and the combo mistral x hellfire or mistral x spike make one of the best heli top tier

[@Bob_Dickinson]

Yep pretty much!

[@jean-philippebobin3732]

@@Bob_Dickinson Each Time I see an UHT in heli pve I feel pity

[@Bob_Dickinson]

@@jean-philippebobin3732 imean i gotta say tho you can be cheeky with the UHT... stealing all of those anti tank guns or convoys with the fire and forgor missiles is quite impressive, don't get me wrong the block 2 can do it much better. But god damn the fire and forget missiles are flexible.

[@jean-philippebobin3732]

@@Bob_Dickinson Where I think Pars are better is against A26, against the guns hellfire can be as good with the chain of missiles, that why I fear the Apache

[@Bob_Dickinson]

@@jean-philippebobin3732 oh yea byt the thing is that, the chain fire might not be as fast as the fire and forget one. But the other problem pars3s have is that you cant aim for weakspots on heavy tanks like abrams n what not.