A Terrible Human Torch In A Great Deadpool Movie

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[@jessicastrike5640]

I still stand by my assertion that “Don’t even think about it” “Never do” Is one of the best and most succinct summaries of a marvel character I have ever seen, that quippy response then leaping off the Baxter Building before yelling his signature catch phrase and bursting into flame, chef’s kiss, sheer perfection

[@RedEveTillDawn]

If I were Storm I would've said "don't you DARE" because I know that sassy bitch would twist my words 🤣

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

I like that Captain America's battle cry is "Avengers, Assemble!" and the Fantastic Four's battle cry is "Johnny, NO!"

[@dagur500]

I’m not even gonna lie. Galactus just being a huge eldritch cloud of evil and hunger is just insanely creepy.

[@FullFatVideos]

I’ve never gotten the hate really, it’s cool

[@lancefullmer9384]

We simply also do not give Ioan Griffudds Reed enough credit like i love that dude in everything i see him in

[@FullFatVideos]

he was a perfect Reed

[@MagickP00dle]

I wholeheartedly agree

[@moonwhooper]

​@@FullFatVideosthey were all perfect

[@Trelitty11]

Great reed

[@Malomalosi]

He was literally the perfect reed, he even had he grey hair on the side 😭

[@jasonyoung6420]

I finally watched D+W last weekend, I appreciated the way it was set up to be cap; Deadpool's reaction to hearing his voice, the 'super hero landing' then Deadpool's confusion when it turns out to be the Human Torch. I'm 41, so I knew Evans as Johnny first, but the majority of younger moviegoers only know him as Cap. Although I didn't like how he died so quickly, Deadpool 'getting him killed' & the budget joke, not to mention Logan/Wolverine being angry at Deadpool about it was great, then, of course, the post-credit scene clears Deadpool's name; the BEST part of the PC scene was Evans letting his Boston Accent drop, another thing younger moviegoers typically don't know about Evans.

[@ryanbobadilla2527]

He wasn't really nerfed because Pyro is basically Magneto with fire and what happened in the movie has actually happened in a Spider-Man comic.

[@yoboyyoyoboy]

Yeah but like wouldn’t the pure heat of his flames melt pyro? Pyro doesn’t have heat resistance but Johnny does

[@ryanbobadilla2527]

@@yoboyyoyoboy Not while he's controlling the flame, if Johnny shot at him from multiple direction and caught him off guard than yes like any other person Pyro can get burned.

[@yoboyyoyoboy]

@@ryanbobadilla2527 ah i see

[@dhamilton707]

Yeah I don't think he knows enough about pyro or what goes down in the comics between these two, unfortunately. I also was unaware when I watched deadpool vs wolverine. While understandable, it's troublesome to formulate opinions and ideas if we base our understanding solely on films, whether it's the old X-Men films or the MCU. He's relying too much on what he saw in the og films and not enough comic book knowledge about pyro or the times pyro and torch actually crossed paths

[@Rexer083]

There are still ways to do it without making Jhonny look pathetic. Maybe have Pyro struggle to absorb all of the fire due to how hot it is.

[@HowardTheDucksWong]

FINALLY! I'm SO glad someone else feels the same way about how they treated Johnny! I was honestly a bit frustrated with how they treated him and was just baffled when everyone else talked about how funny it was like yeah it was...but if you switch Johnny out for Tobey's Peter, you'd have a VERY different reaction. I'm still holding out a bit of hope that the real FF comes out in Secret Wars cause yeah this was just an unfortunate outing

[@TrentPruitt1997]

I thought it was great seeing him again but at the same time, having him go out like that was kinda jarring to me. I mean, I get it that Chris Evans costs a bunch (it makes the joke funnier, I get it) but they didn’t have to kill him. They could’ve maybe had him fly Wade and Logan out of there and then they can’t hold on cause…he’s on fire, obviously. Then, they reunite with him at the end with the rest of the great cameos. Plus, I found it odd that he was basically an R-rated Human Torch when literally the last time we saw him was in a PG rated film, not even PG-13 (12 or 15 in the UK), but PG. It was a combination of both odd and smart.

[@FullFatVideos]

Him flying them out of there and them falling away because he burns them unintentionally would have been a great way of doing it! Then they could have stayed on their journey as a duo and he could have come back later on!

[@ultron_sigma]

I'd rather have peacemaker get killed off in a jarring way if the flash movie kind of sort of went deadpool 3 route

[@TrentPruitt1997]

@@FullFatVideos haha yes! By the way, love your work man!

[@1handedtyper]

​@FullFatVideos But they they wouldn't have had their costumes. We waited over 20 years to see Wolverine in a comic-accurate costume, and if the film had gotten rid of it before the big battle with the Deadpool variants, we would have raged into a riot!

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

he kinda had to die to establish Nova as a serious threat, I think they call it the Worf effect

[@ninjadudeofficial]

Nic Cage Ghost Rider would've been bloody incredible, but if you have him and Storm... There is no fight.

[@ShockwaveFPSStudios]

I remember seeing a clip from Chris Evans’ panel at Last Year’s Chicago Fan Expo, where he talks about how he was going to be in then upcoming Deadpool and Wolverine. That made me excited to go see it in theaters. So when I saw Evans dawn the flaming blue jumpsuit again on the big screen, I like a million others who got to see Deadpool 3 on its opening premiere. .. was pumped with cheers.

[@hackabusi]

Having the multiverse open up allows us to have all these cameos but only time will tell whether Disney can pull it off .. as time goes on, you lose the ability to case some of the old guard due to age etc. Would love to see Ioan Gruffudd, Richard E Grant, Tobey Maguire, Wesley Snipes, Liev Schriber etc - some of the old guard back but also bring in some new bodies or newer iterations of characters Maybe we might see it in Secret Wars

[@thatderp3247]

It hurt to see Johnny go out like that. Really hurt.

[@saimalishahid1406]

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[@Scotty-Doo626]

It makes it easier for me to think he’s just a variant of 2005/2007 Johnny rather than being THE one we followed through those two films. Also that Johnny lost to Pyro because life in The Void is a struggle and he’s not at his peak leaving it easier for Pyro to beat him.

[@jacobway468]

Pyro is straight up stronger

[@insertnamehere349]

nah i just think pyro is a perfect counter for human torch, no matter how powerful he is, he can’t face pyro

[@GlitteredUp4Easter]

No, he lost to pyro because pryo controls fire, and Johnny is like made of fire in that form. How are people this stupid?

[@ivanagustinortiz5237]

I mean, if you see a guy both not being affected by your powers but outright absorbing them, why the fuck don't you stop? Johnny was dumb.

[@FerociousPaul]

​@@GlitteredUp4EasterFORREAL, WHAT IS THIS COPE???

[@spicyboi544]

the more I think about the 2000's FF the more i realise "there really fun" they may not be great, but there fun and thats a pretty good position to be in all things considered

[@HudsonMedia]

I absolutely ADORE The Fantastic Four’s main theme. It’s so iconic and under rated.

[@FullFatVideos]

I agree! Easier to hum and more memorable than it’s given credit for

[@brobs0463]

The only good thing to come out of Fant4stic is that Miles Teller is now perfect to play the Maker one day

[@eamonclark4952]

Kate Mara and Miles Teller were the best things to come from Fant4stic I hope they return as Reed Richards and Sue Storm in Avengers: Secret Wars

[@The4thSnake]

I imagine they'll try to get both prior Reeds in for a Council of Reeds scene in future.

[@MagickP00dle]

The only good moment in Fant4stic is the scene after the accident when we're seeing their powers. I actually like that it was presented as outright body horror. In a different movie, that scene could have really been the linchpin behind Reed's comic book obsession with curing them. The comics have never given an adequate reason WHY Reed wants to cure them early on. After a while the powers are necessary to defend the family. Reed coming to terms with that fact, and the fact that is also his fault, could give some amazing depth to Reed if the FF manage to get more than 2 movies in.

[@mrspeigel3593]

If you read the first issue of FF it is.. They have no control The beautiful girl is invisible The red hot lover boy can't touch or be touched The genius is a wet noodle The hansome war hro.is a rock monster. It's all because Reed wanted a shot at the hot girl and was over confident of himself...and he turned himself and his friends into freaks Quite a few of the first issues of the Marvel characters would be Twilight Zone episodes in isolation

[@ghostpizza0]

The lighting in the video makes you look like a ghost

[@TinePizza]

Human Torch was Definently Nerfed , Thank you for covering this 🔥

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hopefully he comes back in a better form for secret wars

[@KyleHerbert13]

Nah, Pyro got a buff

[@PhantomFilmss]

​@@KyleHerbert13 thats what im sayin

[@mirrorzone5224]

Human Torch can create fire. Pyro controls fire. It doesn't matter how much fire Torch creates. If it's within Pyro's range, it's Pyro's fire.

[@echo_z319]

@@mirrorzone5224exactly idk why this is so hard for people to understand

[@UthmaanXDFire]

I mean, even the Logan in the movie wasn’t even the original Logan, he was a variant, so this Johnny isn’t OG Johnny

[@mr.iiconic]

I really hope we finally get a faithful FF movie. I liked 2000's films for what they were but they didnt feel like the true FF movies we deserved.

[@SamwiseTheNotSoBrave]

I was fine with how the Torch was treated: Evans likely wasn't cheap so I figured they weren't gonna get a lotta mileage out of his character here. It was good to see him again, but he didn't overstay his welcome. The one that I'm upset about (and that may be putting it too strongly) is Sabretooth. Sorry, but that should've been an actual fight scene and not a two-second gag. I'm fine with Wolverine winning, but, being a huge fan of the character, there absolutely should've been more to it. The worst part is that was right around the part where Johnny got beat so you had two irrelevant non-fights within minutes of each other. Honestly, I'd rather Sabretooth not have been there at all instead of what happened.

[@CrysJaL]

I feel it was more an attempt to poke fun at the idea of matchups. Human Torch loses to Pyro. Wolverine really really should have decapitated Sabretooth at some point, something I know I thought about after seeing their long term rivalry/hatred. It was how the matchup really should have gone, but it does put some development on Wolverine, not wanting to kill Sabretooth and presumably having chosen to not kill him. Unfortunately the one we see in the film just has no chill and Sabretooth probably had a hand in the destruction of his world's X Institute, so it was time to take the gloves off.

[@SamwiseTheNotSoBrave]

@@CrysJaL I can certainly see all that, but, at the same time, it just shouldn't be that easy, regardless of if Wolvie'd just had enough. As presented, it basically says that Sabretooth never should've been a match for Wolverine, which simply isn't true (despite what X-Men Origins would have us think). All told, the movie wasn't about the pair, and I was fine with Wolverine killing him (it's happened a couple times in the comics at this point). It should've just been treated as a little bit more than a redundant joke. I know that sounds weird in regards to a Deadpool movie, but still.

[@SonicXtreme99akaCreeperMario]

Can’t he just be kidnapped by Professor X’s sister and then they save him and he joins the team at the end(

[@dhamilton707]

It was great seeing him in the film. He's not nerfed though, when you learn about pyro and what he's capable of. Just a bad match up for torch. Pyro can manipulate fire so johnny was better off not transformed. The one thing he can manipulate lol. We can actually make an argument that pyro was nerfed if we consider his comic counterpart and feats

[@empiricalsmut9419]

I'm not a fan of the trope of "killing a character off in an unexpectedly-sudden way for gags". They did it with Sabretooth as well, and whenever it happens, I almost never laugh or find it interesting. It's just -- "oh, look, my expectations have been subverted". Sometimes, characters are killed off quickly and unceremoniously, but it's done in a serious manner -- look at how the mutants get killed off in the beginning of Days of Future past. Colossus gets his arm ripped off, and Bobby gets his head snapped off and crushed. These are all sudden and surprising, but it's done with some weight, to show off how dire the situation is, and how dangerous these Sentinels are. When it's done for a gag, though, it's all the "subversion" without the flavor. It's just "ahahah, Sabretooth got killed in one hit" -- and that's that. Same thing with Johnny here. I don't know the canon "rules" of everyone's powers, but I'm pretty sure that Pyro wouldn't be able to suck the fire out of Johnny like he's a tank of propane.

[@jacobway468]

The sabretooth kill was to show how strong Wolverine is

[@KaiqueFrias]

@@jacobway468yet completely contradicts the fact that every time sabertooth fought Wolverine in X-men 2000 he won Hell Wolverine is not the one who beats sabertooth in that movie it’s cyclops he laser sabertooth knocking him down to a boat if he’s strong enough to beat 2000s Wolverine then he can beat the worst Wolverine this is supposedly 2000s X-men sabertooth same costume and he’s played by Tyler mane

[@KaiqueFrias]

@@jacobway468also they were hyping Wolverine vs sabertooth in trailers like it was gonna be a fight and not what we got in the movie

[@xeroreverse7712]

I've seen a lot of people say that they nerfed the human torch, but as far as I can tell, Pyro is literally the perfect counter for the human torch. That said I woul've expected torch's sheer firepower to be incredibly difficult to manage. I would've thought that the two would basically lock each other into a stalemate. That's the joke I was expecting, for the two of them to be just in the background having an intense staredown but unable to actually contribute much else.

[@FullFatVideos]

That would have been funnier!

[@shapeshifter7676]

Here's the list of Johnny Storm's powers. Tell me how exactly does Pyro counter any of them 1. Pyrogenesis: The Human Torch possessed the mental ability to control ambient heat energy and the physical ability to transform his entire body, or portions of his body into a fiery, plasma-like state of will... 2. Plasma Form: The Human Torch can envelop his body or parts of it with superheated plasma that manifests as flame in oxygen environments... 3. Fire Generation and Manipulation: The Human Torch can shape the flame from his body into forms such as streams, spheres or even skywriting. These flames require his concentrations to maintain their current shape and will burn out in approximately 3 minutes unless infused with additional flame 4. Nova Flame: The Torch refers to his highest, hottest levels of plasma that he can create as his "nova flame." The exact temperatures that his "nova flame" can attain are not known. 5. Heat Manipulation: The Human Torch can manipulate the temperature of objects and environment within his range even when not aflame. He can both raise and lower the temperature, as well as extinguish open flames by absorbing them into his body. 6. Heat Absorption: The Human Torch can absorb heat from external sources. 7. Superhuman Durability: The Human Torch is extremely durable. He was able to shake off a punch from Gladiator, and has taken multiple punches from Namor. 8. Immunity to Fire and Heat: The Human Torch is immune to heat and fire both from himself and from outside sources. 9. Cold Resistance: Human Torch seems to have a degree of resistance to cold.

[@Zenn_Chan]

Holy hell I want that concept art of Deadpool and the Resistance taking on the Deadpool Corps as a poster, that is GORGEOUS

[@redmistbluemiss]

Maybe an unpopular opinion but the actor who played Dr. Doom in these films. Julian McMahon really just fucking cooked in every scene he was in. I really wish Marvel would have let him reprise the role for the MCU. He was a perfect Doom in an imperfect film.

[@tommarsdon5644]

I actually really like him being defeated by pyro. How specific abilities interact should have presedence over raw power. I think this makes things a lot more interesting and makes people fight more tactically.

[@LordReginaldMeowmont]

I was disappointed with the cheap laugh of Pyro beating Johnny that easily. We all know Johnny would have overpowered him.

[@SOM-v4o]

Well yeah. If human Torch charged at him. Pyro would be done with. But that was the wrong time to do long range attacks.

[@echo_z319]

Yeah no. You just have no idea how their powers work.

[@SOM-v4o]

@@echo_z319 Yeah I make them up in my head and write it in a comic. Nah just kidding.😂.

[@blacky8987]

@@echo_z319 kid literally the human touch is pure fire he is inmune to fire... pyro can burn like you and me

[@echo_z319]

@@blacky8987 kid, i know pyro can burn kid, doesnt change the fact he can control human torches flame kid

[@radrno7]

I wouldn't say Torch was nerfed, him being beat by Pyro was bound to happen. It's not about power, it's just a matter of logic. Torch generates fire, Pyro controls fire. Simple as that. He would never win. Now, in terms of honoring the character, who deserved better than a quick death joke, yeah, they messed up on that. Just like Sabretooth, got tossed away in one shot, just pointless really. It's exactly what people didn't want. There's literally a video to pay tribute to the actors and all of their work, but the only ones getting honored really are Wesley Snipes (who wasn't even part of Fox Marvel), Jennifer Garner (which was nice), Dafne Keen (very nice) and Hugh Jackman (obviously). I honestly think they should've switched Gambit with Torch. Gambit becomes friends with Deadpool, Sabretooth knocks him out and he blows everything up to get Wolverine and Deadpool free from Cassandra. Keep Torch as the mysterious member until he shows up to help as the secret weapon against Cassandra, where Pyro still beats Torch, but one of the others knocks Pyro out. He shows up last posing staring at Deadpool and Wolverine jumping through the portal. Done. They could've done a much better job with the character, even if he was only to show up for one scene to keep it under budget. Everyone wants to see Chris back, both as Captain America AND as Human Torch, so this can't be the last we see of him.

[@shapeshifter7676]

Human torch can control fire too and do much more than just that. It's like trying to kill Zeus with a taser gun

[@itscarlosreally]

Chris Evans' portrayal of Lucas Lee is underappreciated, too. Both the live action AND the anime.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

I get what youre saying but Pyro's ability is control over fire, whereas the Torch's power is *creating* fire and flying. If it were established that Pyro couldnt control supernova level temperatures, I'd agree with you. maybe Torch couldnt go supernova anyway as he was weak from living as a scavenger...?

[@SOM-v4o]

He should've charged at him.

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@SOM-v4o like a flamethrower, the torch works better with range attacks. Although it would have been cool to see Johnny's flames go out only for him to resort to H2H fighting instead (showing he's not dependant on fire)

[@nani4249]

This torch isn't the same from the movies so it's entirely possible this torch can't go super nova

[@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805]

@@nani4249 hows he not teh same?

[@SOM-v4o]

@@pepperpeterpiperpickled9805 Variants and the suit us different too.

[@Robin-be1zm]

Human torch might be stronger than Pyro, but Pyro is literally a kryptonite to him, it's like rock paper scizzors, rock is OP, until he goes up against paper

[@trevorphilips9065]

I mean doesn’t make sense considering Johnny’s powers are above a mutants

[@xxcridonxx7614]

⁠@@trevorphilips9065since when was he above mutants?

[@trevorphilips9065]

@@xxcridonxx7614 Since his powers came from space

[@-carpet-]

Exactly, but powerscaling logic has ruined who would win debates.

[@Robin-be1zm]

@@trevorphilips9065 THAT'S NOT HOW THAT WORKS!! His power is flaming on, Pyro's powers are controlling flames, in no scenario does Johnny come out on top

[@samuelmackenzie5267]

To answer your question the only other flying scene I can think of that could match the Johnny vs silver surfer flight is the iron man f22 dogfight from the first movie. The way that scene is constructed with tony flying against those jets still has some of the best VFX work seen in the mcu to this day. Probably the best VFX work in the mcu if I’m being honest.

[@RedEveTillDawn]

Chris Evans as Captain America is quite perfect, though it is a shame the character isn't more humorous because Chris is also SO FUNNY!!

[@Zombiesnyder13]

I blame AVI ARAD for the failure of the 2005s FANTASTIC FOUR movies

[@volodymyrbilyk555]

2005 directors cut is actually kinda good

[@FullFatVideos]

theres a directors cut of FF 2005?

[@jagrant9624]

Avi Arad is responsible for a lot of failures within the 2000s Marvel movies. Still messing shit up today with the Sony movies.

[@Zombiesnyder13]

​@@jagrant9624 #IBlameAviArad

[@Alf-gm7tf]

@zombiesnyder13 he really lives rent free in your head doesn’t he?

[@RickReasonnz]

It was so good seeing Human Torch again, but such a slap in the face when he got overpowered by Pyro... fucking PYRO?!?! Chris Evan's comedic chops are vastly underrated and recently, underused. Love to see him do more hilarious roles.

[@tosutaa]

Pyro has beaten him in the comics though. His whole thing is manipulating fire so it's like paper beating rock

[@steelclackers2611]

I understand being jarred but I'd agree with others. Pyro is just a perfect counter to him. He got unlucky (they needed to keep actor's time in the movie short so that's why he got unlucky)

[@RickReasonnz]

@@tosutaa More like a Bic Lighter having an affect on the Sun

[@nani4249]

​@steelclackers2611 although it's a different human torch and a different pyro looking at the 2 on screen strength before this movie human torch could literally speed blizt him but that's why variants exist

[@steelclackers2611]

@@nani4249 i can agree with that 👌

[@RialVestro]

Silver Surfer was NOT perfectly adapted. They made the extremely confusing choice to have him be CGI when he's on his surf board which is fine, but then he changes to being a dude painted silver when he's separated from that surf board. He also starts dying the longer he's separated from it which is not how his powers work. When separated from his surf board he would simply revert back to a normal human with no powers at all. The other problem with Silver Surfer other than changing how his powers work is just the horrible way that his character was adapted. The movie made him a villain when he's not actually evil. Silver Surfer became that by making a deal with Galactis to save his home planet. His whole thing is that he goes around looking for uninhabited planets for Galactis to devour so that he's not killing millions of people. Meanwhile the Silver Surfer in this movie comes to Earth, sees the huge population and civilization and decides "Yeah this seems like a good planet for Galactis to devour." The whole movie them becomes trying to convince him that Earth is worth saving and they only manage to do that by saving his life when he was dying. You shouldn't have to convince Silver Surfer not to kill billions of people because that is literally the entire purpose of his deal with Galactis in the first place. Also Deadpool didn't nerf Johnny Storm. They made him fight Pyro from the X-Men. Think about it, Johnny Storm is a character who can create fire from his body and Pyro is a character who can control fire to do whatever he wants which means of course there is no possible way that Johnny Storm can fight Pyro.

[@Revculter]

Yeah... No. Pyro has beaten Johnny in the comics. His WHOLE thing is he can manipulate fire. Johnny stands no chance. That's blatantly obvious.

[@GlitteredUp4Easter]

How do people not get this? It's literally like saying someone made of metal should be able to beat magneto.

[@PhantomFilmss]

​@@GlitteredUp4Easter yea true

[@nani4249]

In the movies they were in before deadpool human torch could just speed blizt but these are different variants of johhnny and pyro so any feats from either movie before hand are irrevant

[@Malomalosi]

I’m praying that the Johnny Storm in D&W is a variant, because I wanna see the original Fantastic Four return.

[@silversoulken]

It literally is

[@JakeyJakers]

Would love some Letterkenny level banter between Spidey/Torch and whatever foe they're taking down

[@FullFatVideos]

The Evans Torch and Maguire Spidey fit so well

[@LeonardoKlotz]

If Josh Trank taught us anything, is that you can't go from a low-budget movie to a big-budget movie like Fant4stic You need to go from low to medium, and then from medium to big Is all about gaining credibility. You never know when a studio is gonna think they can control you. You need to show them that you know what you're doing better than them.

[@1handedtyper]

To be fair, Johnny wasn't begging for his life; he was denying damning accusations.

[@FullFatVideos]

He knew what was coming though

[@dikydankedude]

I loved the 2000s Fantastic Four so much

[@JakeSmith-mq5dc]

If you read between the lines Johnny Storm in the wasteland kind of became that full blown Hero. In the FF4 movies, he was getting his feet wet with that but he seemed very impactful on those in the void. I think either he was the Leader, or the much needed heart of the rebels, maybe even both. Honestly it felt like he could've formed a Good, Bad and Ugly trio with Wolverine and Deadpool. Something about the bad boy being the most heroic is wholesome and ironic. Him being a better trash talker than both Deadpool and Wolverine is a character trait that I hope sticks in future stories

[@benjaminrupe5930]

If you check the character's history, Johnny Storm also possesses pyrokinetic abilities, so it's unlikely he would've been defeated by Pyro, but anything for a joke, I guess.

[@echo_z319]

Check his history? As in one-off times where writers buffed the character for the sake of their own story while it lasts? Human torch has never been consistently & regularly able to control fire like pyro can. His whole thing is that he *_specifically generates_* it using his body.

[@silversoulken]

If you check the character’s history, you’d see that Pyro beat the Torch several times. Not only that but this whole discussion is irrelevant bc that isn’t even the DIRECT Johnny from the old movies, its another version. The failed version, might I add.

[@benjaminrupe5930]

@@silversoulken I was referring to the character from the source material, but that gets ignored since that requires reading.

[@cosmicmaster1006]

Dont sweat it i don't think its the same johnny at all. I think they went out of their way to make him visually clearly a different johnny

[@samcarroll6210]

I don't think we needed a video about this tbh, but go off king

[@Moon_in_Flames]

We did

[@Malomalosi]

Bro that other comment is right tho, Dr Fantastic’s OG Actor was peak.

[@R0B1NG5]

I think the reason it was not the full F4 team cameo is that you might have some trouble getting Alba back and getting Chiklis into the suit again. Grufudd, I have no idea, you probably could get him with a big enough payday. But mainly I'd assume its the fact that Reynolds and Evans are real life friends that it was easy to get in contact and convince him. Plus the fact he has modern marvel studios connections from being cast as cap. Overall way easier to reel him in with all those connection points. Plus the scale of the cameo was not huge in the end. It would add a lot of run time to set them all up and knock them down somehow. Otherwise they kind of wash the fight on the badguy stronghold pretty hard, being an actual practiced team and having way more "superpowery" superpowers compared to the kind of mostly melee/martial arts characters present in the movie. Just to say, I don't really have much affection for those F4 movies. Of the F4 in general. I always just looked at Evans Johnny as a funny marvel footnote before he got to his "real" marvel role. But I completely agree with you on how fast torch got shut down on his reveal in DW. I have argued that since I saw it but I feel like everyone was so high on the movie they didn't want to hear a bad word said. I feel like after that long getting a character back and not giving him his show off moment on some goons is criminal in terms of comic book writing. The obviously compleltey understand the tradition when it comes to Gambit and co, but Johnny gets nothing. I get the logic of Pyro always having strong control of fire since he can't generate it himself, but just write it so that the initial crew does not have him present and Johnny mops the floor with them, but then Cassandra or whoever is informed torch is causing trouble and she sends her hard counter to him out there and thats when they get captured and the movie proceeds as normal. Torch gets his moment, plus we build the bad guy threat a little and show she is informed about who is still out in the void and has been smart in gathering the right people and knows when to deploy them. Because how it goes in the movie is just so jarring, the build and the "flame on" and then nothing? For the whole movie? No CGI fire roasting nameless henchmen, or even deadpool if he gets on his nerves, or aerial acrobatics? Not even trying to hit on anything that moves? He doesn't get to BE Torch. And the death also sort of left me with a feeling of "really? Thats all you got him here to do?" I guess the post credit scene at least extended his screen time, but not really with anything that you expect or want from a torch specific cameo primarily. But overall, thats what it was. A cameo. In a comedy movie. And a Deadpool one at that. It could have been handled better, but I can't really expect them not to take the joke route every time. .

[@BrothersWebOfficial]

I made this comment on the review video you did. I think it fits my excitement: I was so excited when I saw Chris Evans as Johnny Storm! I clapped and cheered. No one else didn't even cheer? I'm like the films were not that bad, gosh. I'm in my 20s, and kids who are kinda in the back behind me were so annoying. "Oh wow, that's not Cap it's that guy from the Fantastic Four wow" like without any excitement like you couldn't even get his name right lol. "That Guy," I don't get it, felt like they were just commenting even during the nice video at the end of the film. I made some shortouts When I saw Ben Grimm and the others but they couldn't shut up commenting the entire time gross. - Luke

[@-haclong2366]

16:10 The actor who played The Thing didn't want to play in Deadpool & Wolverine because he didn't want to sit 6 hours for the make-up.

[@mettatonex7221]

I don't think Downey is going to be playing Victor Von Doom. If I remember correctly, there is a comic book multiversal variant of Tony Stark that becomes Doctor Doom. Possibly due to some possession nonsense, but I do believe Downey is still mostly playing Tony Stark here.

[@SOM-v4o]

Again I still don't believe that's the human Torch we know but a variant. Well hopefully.

[@ianpg9891]

15:26 thank you! I’ve seen so many reviews saying they were surprised and u always wonder how

[@FullFatVideos]

They cappin

[@NadeemShekh-uy9zn]

I love the 2000s era of marvel movies man

[@ytuser_3122]

I honestly think Tobey’s Spider-Man would roll his eyes with Evans’s Human Torch and get along better with Ioan’s Mr. Fantastic

[@lexruptor]

He wasn't nerfed, A, he was just a cameo, and B, he was up against Pyro, if anything he wasn't nerfed, he was outmatched.

[@PhantomFilmss]

Ya thats what im saying to

[@Riz_Miah]

Rest in peace Full Fat Videos Cow! You will be missed from the profile pic spotlight

[@-haclong2366]

Rest in Grill, she's in a more delicious place now.

[@PrinceSaheed]

The point is he controls fire, Johnny is fire

[@paniniboy]

Bro, bring the cow back please😢

[@FullFatVideos]

its at the end!

[@paniniboy]

Nice, just out of interest, why did u remove the cow from your pfp and banner?

[@FullFatVideos]

Dunno just felt it needed a change!

[@SmashBrosAssemble]

He was killed off purely for a joke which admittedly was funny, and it did make sense within the movie, if you put the Human Torch against Pyro, a character who’s whole gimmick is manipulating Fire, yeah Johnny Storm ain’t winning that. But then again it’s really whoever the writer says wins.

[@FullFatVideos]

Johnny Storm smokes Pyro 10 out of 10 times im sorry!

[@DualDexx]

I think Johnny would create more fire than pyro could control. Like yea, he would be able to control it at first, but over time johnny just creates more and more fire until it fully engulfs pyro, then turning the heat up to supernova. Also, yea pyro can control fire, but johnny basically is fire. He basically be immune to whatever fire pyro throws at him. Just how i see it going down.

[@thomascheckie2394]

I guess my question is how do you think Pyro would be able to hurt Johnny Storm, exactly? We've never seen evidence to show that Johnny can only produce a limited amount of fire.

[@vicentegeonix]

The joke wasn't really that funny.

[@Cosmicshambler]

​@@FullFatVideos pyros beaten torch in the.comics

[@agent95_]

He didn’t get nerfed. Pyro controls fire. Silver Surfer took him down with a choke and by removing his oxygen. Its both very hard and very easy to take Johnny out

[@petermj1098]

You know how powerful Silver Surfer is right?

[@CrysJaL]

@@petermj1098 The Thing could've done the same thing too, so it's not about Surfer being a cosmic tier threat (depending on continuity) but that he just happened to be resistant enough to Johnny to actually choke him out in flame form.

[@Sosaliukang]

When people say Ryan Reynolds is the only person who could play Deadpool I always bring up Sean William Scott. Dude would kill it.

[@silversoulken]

Agreed, too bad he’s been blacklisted for years now

[@AceOfHeartz4]

Sadly he approached cassandra nova not super nova. Much more lethal 😢

[@mr.iiconic]

I still think Invisible Woman is the most powerful member, even with the nova flame. Doctor Doom said it during the Mark Waid run, when the FF occupied Latveria and he took over Sue's body.

[@canaan5337]

Human Torch wasn’t “Nerfed” he can create fire but Pyro controls fire the comics Pyro versus Human Torch, the same thing happens if it wasn’t for Spider-Man Johnny would’ve died.

[@astromeo3467]

I didnt even know this was cow man because the cow is gone 😢😭

[@FullFatVideos]

But the name is the same!

[@RyomenAyeni225]

I’m pretty sure I speak for everyone when I say I’d rather Johnny stayed than Electra 😭🙏🏿

[@FullFatVideos]

Yeah I can't say I care about that variant whatsoever lol

[@pennywisethedancingclown2246]

Deadpool joked that they killed him to save budget 😂

[@roronoa3243]

I truly don’t believe the unreleased 90s F4 movie was that bad

[@Stephen-to7jx]

When Michael B. Jordan said Two Guys, a Girl. and a Thing Nobody Wanted, he referenced a Ryan Reynolds tv series.

[@shapeshifter7676]

The only way Human Torch could lose to Pyro is if he was building a snow man just before the fight

[@Gangster_God]

nice legos in background! pls show us your collection one day

[@KrytoRift]

Imagine ghost rider imbuing the torch with hellfire vs pyro

[@Liam-je7mj]

I aalso like to call Fan4stic "not so fantastic four"

[@greghawkins59]

It would have been nice if he'd flamed Cassandra after begging only to get skinned anyway

[@lilskimmilk5049]

Bro if they didn’t nerf most of these characters there wouldn’t movies 😂

[@TheReviewer65]

Yeah... It felt like a suckerpunch to my childhood

[@sammyp175]

David Tennent as Reed Richards and Cilian Murphy as dr doom! How dare they not use my fan casting!!!

[@Console-Lord]

Cillian Murphy for Doom could still happen. Since RDJ Doom isn’t gonna be from the main MCU universe.

[@christianmanka3884]

Fan4stic could have been awesome if the studio didn’t screw it to hell

[@mattpalmer1140]

“We want the actual versions of the characters we know, not just their faces” despite the fact that the Wolverine in the movie is not the one we know like at all. It should’ve been the Wolverine from the timeline that didn’t end with Logan(either original trilogy timeline or DoFP timeline)

[@lexruptor]

He actually survived the Annihilation Wave btw, not actually a death.

[@FullFatVideos]

I referenced that if you listened before commenting

[@PhantomFilmss]

Or maybe Pyro got buffed

[@MaxiRomero-wu3fw]

yeah they nerfedhim for comidic reasons he should overpowered Piroh with out problem. I hope he has a second chance on secretwars

[@Snow43214]

Haha saw new icon and instantly thought Final Fantasy V

[@starhound9354]

It's the other heroes in X-Men comics effect, where writers nerf/stupify the non-mutant heroes in an x-man title if they happen ti show up. It happened with cap in x-men 97, it'll keep happening.

[@BrothersWebOfficial]

6:13 If the new film can't get this banter right, it's toasted.

[@jacobharris954]

You forgot about reed Richards in Dr. Strange

[@LeeLee-op1bd]

but a pyro johnny team up would be omega level

[@kensoup9367]

IMO I think the old channel logo was better, more distinctive and readable from a distance

[@ForkLifters]

You're taking it so seriously my guy, it's a Deadpool movie, what did you expect?

[@ThePrinceofHisOwnKingdom]

I think the most bothersome part is DP&W is supposed to be a love letter to that era of superhero movies. But nah, ain't no love for Johnny.

[@Gumshoe08]

"Slug it out with the hulk" eehhh. Not really he always gets knocked out

[@FullFatVideos]

He can still stand his ground which is insanely impressive. I’d like to see half the avengers do that

[@ThomasHenderson-c8e]

It's that type of 🤔 that keeps Hugh Jackman & Patrick Stewart in The Wolverine & Professor X characters!! Other Actors can play these characters!!

[@FullFatVideos]

@@ThomasHenderson-c8e what part are you referring to

[@leopoldmaximus145]

Wait a minute, you forgot the 1994 Fantastic Four Film. And do you plan on making a Colossus video

[@dikydankedude]

Lol i didn't know Chet Hanks actually acted in anything

[@skewbertoescobaresq2327]

Counterpoint: The FF4 movies were all bad movies, like Green Lantern of the same era. His death was funny and it showed Cassandra Nova as an omega level threat. And just like Ryan Reynolds killed off himself (essentially twice) in DP2 to take the piss out of the character, Chris Evans got to off his version of The Human Torch in a fun (and extremely unexpectedly violent) way. They could have done a similar gag death with Ghost Rider (Nick Cage) or Daredevil (Ben Affleck) and had a similar laugh killing off a big named actor early, but would have lost the Cap confusion which was also funny and good way to show variants/the multiverse quickly without excessive dialog.

[@aacproductions996]

I’d argue that because his suit is different he isn’t THE Johnny from those movies but one from a similar reality Same with the villains in no way home they can’t be the same villains from the original movies because of the mountain of continuity errors no way home creates (why can’t Sandman take human form anymore and If Norman being the goblin was all over the news how tf did Harry not know?) It’s the multiverse there are infinite versions of everything that’s the whole point.

[@wesleyrumbelow5251]

love your videos!

[@FullFatVideos]

Thank you!!