A Top 500 Veteran Rants About Overwatch 2

[@Sprixyy]

For some reason this is catching the algorithm, so for anyone that’s wants to give me feedback I’d appreciate it. KZbin has been something I’ve thought about pursuing and I have a huge passion for overwatch and gaming in general and I have a lot to say about things. So just leave this a comment or like if you guys wanna see or hear more things It would mean the world to me ❤

[@bruniverso2147]

Just go for it man, no dream is too high that you can't reach it

[@JayordanJay]

Do it dude. Already subbed, would love to see more from you.

[@PainxSorrow]

Bro I agree w u wholeheartedly same story for me was a console player then got a pc for ow2 I was severely disappointed

[@lunarluxe9832]

Awesome video id definitely watch more

[@PainxSorrow]

Crazy thing is even if blizzard goes 6v6 after wasting all our time for this long I still can’t forgive them marvel rivals will save us

[@Komonolo]

On the counter swapping arguments, remember that clip on Twitter where a tank was getting DESTROYED because he didn't have mauga, he left, bought the battle pass and IMMEDIATELY won. That's just not how a game should be....

[@halinaqi2194]

Literally my experience on tank back then. I had no new characters unlocked other than kiriko going from OW1 to OW2, so I couldn't play meta picks that I didn't have unlocked. I can play hog, zarya, winston, dva and ball, but I couldn't play into the super oppressive mauga cuz I just couldn't play it to mirror. So whenever I was winning, the enemy tank would switch that and I couldn't out play that on other tanks. Mauga with kiriko support is too oppressive for a non mirror matchup when he was meta.

[@feelmypuddle4963]

New characters are free and not tied to the battle pass anymore, so that won't happen

[@fullnelson4986]

​@@feelmypuddle4963not the point he was making I don't think

[@eirin481]

@@feelmypuddle4963what a horrible funny situation though, huh

[@clandon9624]

@@feelmypuddle4963no, but still you win more games by just playing mauga cause of how he is. Same with orisa. Getting constant value at all ranges is busted in a 1 tank world. You can have higher game sense playing weaker characters, but mauga can fucking heal himself while doing damage WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT SHIT

[@alexwylie8128]

As a tank player I’m so sick of 5v5. It’s sad. This game feels like a soulless shell of ow1

[@gamerbeast3616]

no it dosent lmao

[@Pes._]

Yes it does n its because it is. Go put a better team in a 4v5. See if they ever win, or win consistently. You cant, ow1 was a open world game with 11 other idiots running around. Ow.5 is a linear chess match with no difference in map rotations. ​@@gamerbeast3616

[@destructo3457]

Bro has no idea of how the game works calling it soulless you just suck😭😭😭

[@iloveicecoldwater]

​@@gamerbeast3616 it feels souless to some people & not to others.. its fine.. imo as long as youre having fun rhats all that matters:)

[@ramgami-7122]

yea it does ​@@gamerbeast3616

[@juzo4x]

gotta agree solo tank is miserable

[@llucid2252]

I think is pretty dam fun

[@cachinco2681]

@@llucid2252 not for most players. not compared to ow 1. if roadhog had 800 health and 50% dmg reduction and reduced self heal time in ow1, people would freak out. what's fun about no skill high health op boosted abillites either being op or useless compared to ow1 lower health more abliites cooldowns at less potency in comparison? ow2 buffs everything makes it op and botty. i hate it most people do.

[@plaqued9526]

​@@llucid2252 masochism isn't common among the average person/player

[@localmilfchaser6938]

@@llucid2252well we don’t sooooo yea 🫤

[@chancifer_]

ive been a tank player since this game came out and its so bad compared to ow1 its unreal just revert the health changes and bring 2 tanks back thats the only way to save this shit game atp

[@Via_O.W]

when ow2 first released it felt super good but honestly i think that was just becuase there were like no updates to ow1 and it felt stale, there really is not reason to not go back

[@phillyp2330]

We actually knew this was gonna happen. Everyone was asking how the game will feel after the honeymoon stage

[@heiko2255]

@@phillyp2330 People called me Delusional for calling the OW2 Beta not better than 6v6 They called me delusional for thinking S1 of OW2 is not better than 6v6 Only now, 9 - 10 Seasons later aber people finally stopping to cope and slowly more and more realising that 5v5 is fucking dogshit. I swear 2x Shield did so much damage to this community, if we didnt have 2x Shield for 3 years but like Rein, zarya, dva, winston as viable tanks, then nobody would have wanted 5v5, it only was accepted because OW1 was left to rot If 6v6 returns, the game can reach its peak again, i 100% believe it

[@Vastspartan]

@@heiko2255 It wasnt the 2x shields. It was the supports abilities that created sustain AND stunning. Which btw the fucking poster of the video clearly told you.

[@heiko2255]

@@Vastspartan Yes I know, but what did that AoE Sustain create? First Goats and after Role-Lock 2x Shield Also, the casuals just see 2 shields, they dont have the brain capacity to understand that a Bap and a Brig behind the shields were keeping them up (also Grasp and Fortify are broken) but anyone playing Lucio/Mercy or smth like that was atleast punishable So what im saying still stands, the Community seeing pros/streamers complain about 2x Shield, even though they never played against it, did an insane amount of damage to the perception of 6v6 If they kept Oct 2020 patch and would have kept going to make Orisa, Bap, Sigma, Brig worse instead of buffing them again, we wouldnt have had 2x Shield from 2021 - 2022 and 5v5 would have looked like a stupid idea to everyone the moment they announced it

[@bambampewpew32]

EXACTLY, THEY LITERALLY MADE US THINK OW2 IS BETTER JUST BY NOT UPDATING OW1 FOR YEARS literal gaslighting (oct 2020 patch was good) whether unintentional or not

[@S3nCh4n]

DPS: The enemy tank won't die no matter how much I shoot! Tanks: I'm getting shot by everyone I can't get enough heals! Support: I can't keep my tank up the DPS debuff makes healing non existent! This game' s become so boring

[@AchedSphinx]

it's pretty funny since dps aren't even trying to kill other dps or support now, just the tank.

[@S3nCh4n]

@@AchedSphinx it feels kinda inconsequential killing squishies because at the end of the day it's an objective based game and you can stall for way longer if you have a 600hp behemoth (with damage negating abilities!) on the point.

[@PowPowPixie]

OMG, thank you. I wanted to say this in my comment, but I couldn't think how to word it, but you just described it perfectly.

[@fistofram5526]

@@AchedSphinx Then they're doing something wrong since dps never tried mainly killing tanks.

[@erjohn5404]

Here's the thing the complaint on the support and tank on this comment is from low rank, dude they don't know how to play overwatch in low rank is a different breed of overwatch these players complain is the reason why the game will never be balanced meanwhile all of us in high rank is asking for healing nerfs.

[@idk1839]

Balancing this game for casuals for them not to play this game after 4 months.

[@j.jonahjoestar7924]

They balance the game for casuals then go ahead and make quick play the home of the casual, a sweat fest. Then they're surprised when nobody is happy.

[@JulianneStingray]

@@j.jonahjoestar7924 SO FUCKING TRUE QUICKPLAY IS A SHITSHOW NOW

[@itsbeeva]

@@j.jonahjoestar7924and then add insane leaver penalties when QP casuals just wanna leave whenever. They can’t get on the same page about ANYTHING. Nothing adds up!!

[@avocol4589]

honestly overwatch 1 was always way more casual i never saw meta being played in plat and below but now it's always meta characters domomating your games

[@itsbeeva]

@@avocol4589 Right, the meta wasn't really being played until like high Diamond/Masters. And even in Masters, GM+, the 'meta' wasn't as strict and straightforward as it is in OW2. There was more ways to play as long as the team comp made sense. This is so frustrating smh

[@Karma_OW]

I think the fundamental issue is they’re trying to force tanks to be able to do both jobs of an off tank and main tank (maintain and define space respectively). It’s why the role has become so one dimensional imo. I think the devs fail to see that rein (a main tank) was never originally designed to be able to maintain space, he was designed to be able to claim space (define it). Similarly, DVA (an off tank) was never designed to be able to claim space. She was designed to be able to maintain already claimed space, for example. I’m not sure how long it will be, but I think the devs will eventually realize they can’t have one tank fulfill both of those responsibilities without the game loop being brain dead as you illustrated in your hog clip. That clip was the whole fight. You died and the fight was over. You and just got everything yeeted at you. There was no tempo, and no ebb and flow at all. That kind of gameplay loop is like when two pawns meet in a game of chess in front of each other; neither pawn can advance until one of them has been cleared (dies). It’s like they’re trying to rework every tank to be like sigma (the one tank that can do both jobs), and it’s brain dead. It reminds me of when bastion had a shield.

[@tomn4483]

exactly, and instead of fixing the issue organically (6v6) the devs just gigabuff any tank that can't do both

[@pepekovallin]

Unfortunately I feel like this game will have to almost die in order for blizzard to go 6v6, they're so stubborn about it it's unreal, like, everyone is asking for this, the only people that I see defending 5v5 are either completely disconnected with the other player's actual experience or they are outright lying about ow 1 and 2's actual experience or they explicitly don't care about the game experience at all and just want to shoot things, seriously, you can have your opinion against 6v6, more power to you, but do we really should be catering to people that literally say "I don't care about the tank's experience? Talk about a red flag, Jesus Christ

[@absolute-xero7502]

​@pepekovallin Jake said that he doesn't care about tank players, which just confirmed that his opinion can be discarded. Also, he's on blizzard's payroll.

[@welcometochristown]

Unfortunately blizzard have kinda screwed themselves with tanks now, his point about counter swapping was exactly right and it can never be fixed unless you make all tanks the same.

[@tomn4483]

@@welcometochristown I think generally tanks are fine but for some reason they decided to add tankbuster tanks like hog, orisa and mauga who's entire goal is to make the other tanks life hell until they swap to match them. They need to bring back old orisa, rework mauga and change hog hook. Then tanks will be way better

[@samash.32]

yk what, i liked the old UI, the medals, even if thye didn't do anything, it's much nicer to look at than the shitty jingling keys stats ui we have now

[@NOM_OW]

agreed, old ui was much cleaner

[@Llama_charmer]

@@NOM_OW Yep, the UI change was one of the first things that i saw and went "i dont like it"

[@gremlynz_]

I legit thought that the new UI was just for the beta and they were cooking up something way nicer down the line. Still waiting for that to happen lol.

[@leonardo9259]

Imma keep It real, OW UI and visual design has always been pure, unadulterated ass, an unreadable headache inducing abortion mess. OW2's UI is worse tho

[@shadow_ow2]

I hated the UI look at first but it's grown on me. Would hate it to go back to OW1 UI now.

[@itsbeeva]

I watch more 5v5 rants than I play Overwatch now. This was supposed to “increase playmaking ability” but it DID THE OPPOSITE. There’s only ONE right way, ONE right character to play, and STILL, NOTHING. DIES. It’s absolutely miserable. NOBODY ASKED for this, and I hate the devs for not swallowing their pride and simply going back to 6v6. Who cares about 1 week of bad news articles? They have enough data to fix this in ONE PATCH. Players would come back even. Everyone would be happy eventually. JUST. GO. BACK. And build from there. PLEASE.

[@SplashNetwork]

I used to love playing tank in Overwatch 1 and I gave it a chance here in Overwatch 2 and it's to the point now where even I'm missing 6v6 for the fact that many tanks just weren't designed for solo tanking. The Ball rework was proof of that for me. Hog too. Even Samito suggested quick and easy fixes for 5v5 tanks to work in 6v6. Like Queen shout applying just to her, Mauga's Cardiac Overdrive just applying to him. The game won't be balanced when you have one less tank on a team. Same for if you only had one dps or one support per team. 2-2-2 was perfect. It just needed better balance which they could do now

[@PainxSorrow]

Marvel Rivals right around the corner

[@axell9130]

OMG SAME

[@destructo3457]

@@SplashNetwork Hog is literally one of the most solid tanks rn but ok

[@iloveicecoldwater]

​@@PainxSorrowi hope its as fun as it looks x'D idk marvel but i'll play anything as long as i like the gameplay!!

[@Chadleythejunk]

yeah i think overwatch is trying to cushion everything and are getting rid of the high risk high reward playstyle and dulling it down to sitting in chokes and just wating for something to happen.

[@blahblah49000]

That's basically what 2CP was, but anyway...

[@SWBPro]

Preach my rat brother

[@S4LFnX]

Youre just describing Anubis and Hanamura in 6v6 lol. Wdym there's no high risk high reward anymore? Now in 5v5 the numerical advantage actually matters. Not only before you'd have to break through an endless amount of shields and dmg mitigation, but you had to at least get 2 relevant picks to be able to push through. OW1 was basically an ult farming simulator and blow them up all at once to be able to brute force your way into most chokes.

[@SWBPro]

@S4LFnX he means that blizzard is balancing the game to be more sit back until there is a pick, so there's no risk you just wait til someone dies

[@secretlyaslug2325]

You are describing OW1 and 6v6. Some maps were so bad the only viable strategy was to wait for your ana to built nano so your tank didn't explode walking through main.

[@noterobrine9921]

I miss old Overwatch. I was a gold Zarya main in OW1 and yes, she had 400Hp and could easily die to a Reinhardt charge, but that's what made her so fun to play. The bubbles provided protection and power if used correctly, and it was fun to kill an enemy who thought they had me dead to rights. What I'm trying to say is that it feels like Overwatch is removing this skill ceiling that was required for most heroes. Zarya was fun to play when you played her right, nowadays, I barely even queue tank anymore. Overwatch is removing the skill requirements in favor for a more broad approach and it completely removes any challenge or skill from the game...

[@Llama_charmer]

I was mainly a support player who picked up zarya to play with my reinheart friend. The room for making plays was so much fun, at times it felt like a coop game with just us vs the world. I will never forgive them for taking that from me

[@archiveacc3248]

​@@Llama_charmerI was the rein in a pair like this and I felt that in the heart. Made a lot of my best gaming memories with us two cooking up crazy plays. We tried to keep going for a while through the ow2 change, but it was never the same. Even in 5v5 open queue, the game was so much shallower. It's unbelievable how quickly we were cut off from what made overwatch so special.

[@Llama_charmer]

@@archiveacc3248 Don't get me wrong we dabbled, i could also play rein and sigma, was also a diamond support, but our bread and butter was rein zarya. We also tried adapting but even the ana rein combo just wasn't scratching that itch

[@geert574]

game is more laser aim required now than ever thats not fun all I can play is moira these days.

[@theinferno150]

@@archiveacc3248 i mained rein and zarya, i really wish i could go back to OW1, very hard to beat an even match of rein+zar vs rein+zar on kingsRow, probably some of the most fun ive had in the game by far... Also thinking of rein v rein fights in those days were so much fun, now you can barley posture/try plays because your the only tank

[@adalwolf8328]

The saddest part is, look all of the cool tanks that have been added to the game, JQ, Mauga, Ram, reworked Orisa...they would be a blast to play in 6v6. Instead we are stuck in this format with unkillable AFK tanks which feel shit for everybody.

[@emiyaann4688]

All the new tanks are fun because they are not bound to the other tank synergy,and the main reason it's 5v5 the dev said was because of que times,no one wants to wait 10 plus minutes to play DPS/support

[@adalwolf8328]

@@emiyaann4688 I literally wait 10min for DPS games as of today. (Diamond rank) Bullshit reason.

[@emiyaann4688]

@@adalwolf8328 yeah sure buddy, either you are playing un f4cked hours like 4am,or you are making sh1t up,or you are in a wide range group,or you are in a unpopular region like Saudi arabia

[@emiyaann4688]

​​​​@@adalwolf8328Proof? The only way you get a 10 min queue now is: playing at 4am,playing in an unpopulated region like Saudi Arabia,playing in a wide range group. so stop spreading lies,in overwatch 1 dps que times could reach 20 min

[@blahblah49000]

Agreed, the new tanks with some minor tweaks could be great in 6v6. They aren't fun at all in 5v5.

[@jasonhuynh5174]

When season 10 top 500 dropped I found it hilarious that top 500 tank was diamond 2

[@NotKewl]

Its because they changed the top 500 requirement to 50 wins, so you get low sr players sweating out 50 wins at the start of the season to get on the leaderboard for a short while to boost their ego.

[@szyl]

​@@NotKewlI'll be real it's just that diamond players are playing games a lot, not that people specifically grinding to be on the board. When I did my rein unranked to GM I had accidentally qualified and got jump scared by top 500 in like masters 5 lmao

[@jabbathehutt2774]

As a tank player, im tired of everyone being tired of me. Either i do nothing wrong and get killed, do everything right and get no recognition, or make one mistake(often just picking a character i like) and everyone hates me in that game. And when i or anyone else opens their mouth to say playing tank sucks and they should bring back 6v6 we get told to shut up because its such an over-used talking point. Ive been playing since before sombra was added and the fear of some group of assholes mass reporting my account because i picked doomfist and loosing years worth of shit just isnt worth the anxious miasma that is playing this game.

[@Sh4ky]

I stopped playing tank because I play winston, and whenever i'd play him I was just waiting for the team to snap at me and tell me to switch. I hate the fact that I cant have the freedom to play what I want regardless of the map or meta. winston no longer felt satisfying it just ended up being stressful, and I dont like the fact that since there's only 1 tank, there's this frustration where I feel like I always need to contest their tank, or else they'll tear through my team. I want 6v6 back and I'm just gonna wait indefinitely at this point.

[@wisptears]

i agree wholeheartedly with everything you mentioned, this game feels a shell of what it used to be. i’ve been playing since december 2016 and seeing what it used to be and how the “issues” with the 6v6 model could’ve been fixed with a few patches hurts they refuse to admit the changes they made for the better aren’t better, they’re in fact worse, and i’d argue that ow1 was more approachable and rewarding for new players than the state overwatch is currently in great video, keep up the raw honesty with these videos because they community needs to hear stuff like this, i hope blizzard will hear us eventually

[@absolute-xero7502]

They heard. Their response is to plug their ears and go lalalalalalala

[@bambampewpew32]

for real dude, it's just even just 6v6 for me, it's the entire ow1 engine that they deleted for no reason because we're not even getting pve anymore :((( DUDE THE SOUND DESIGN WAS SO MUCH BETTER and the menus and HUD, genji's shurikens, Ana's gun and healing sound, soldier's gun, etc OH AND HITMARKERS were better :/

[@kurumiebisuzawa2851]

@@bambampewpew32That too. One thing I’m 100% sure of about the sound, as an OG Tracer main from 2016 but having a long break until a few weeks ago, is that there are SO MANY times where I’m like “where’s the audio?”. I noticed is a more common problem being in mild carpal tunnel syndrome recovery and having to only consume OW2 content for a little while, it happens a lot more and streamers constantly complain about so many of these problems pro 6v6 people mention, but complaining so much is too unhealthy for them so they just chose to ignore them or just keep it up. Overwatch 2 feeds them after all.

[@bambampewpew32]

@@kurumiebisuzawa2851 oh dang what lmao I was just gonna say tracer's guns sound way worse in ow2, as soon as ow1 shut down and ow2 came I noticed how much less satisfying ow2 was to play

[@candy1049]

Like a malevolent AI in an underground testing facility once said. "The best solution to a problem is usually the easiest one." And balancing 5v5 is hard... Next to impossible even.

[@xDjembex]

If OW were built from the ground up for 5v5, it would be fine. But, they're trying to do the impossible and retrofit all the 6v6 heroes. It will never work. Hog was never meant to be a main tank. Rein was never meant to be alone. Ana's nade is too strong for just one tank. They effed it all up.

[@AchedSphinx]

yeah, game wasn't balanced around 5v5. i was alright with them making the change. you never know, they could make it work, but tanks like roadhog, d.va, zarya, reinhardt, weren't built with 5v5. winston is probably one of the few that can do the 5v5 cuz his bubble is the best and his mobility is still good.

[@Doople]

The game wasn't even balanced for 222 or 6v6. Devs straight up said that they didn't know that people would play OW1 like that. They thought people would switch and play more "defensive" or "Offense" characters depending on which side of the map. Tanks+Support combos were always busted because devs didn't design with the most common formats people liked playing.

[@rfrakctured]

​@@xDjembex Rein was never meant to be alone. That sentence hit me. The whole Overwatch universe is built on the concept of these dynamic heroes working together, side by side. Everyone lifting each other up. But now, solo tanking makes every match feel like a 1v9. Even in the pregame spawn room, most of the characters are literally at odds with each other. And the dialog, whether positive or negative in some way, is utter cringe. Sojourn and Mercy? They talk about feeding her CAT. Oh wow! That's what everyone has been dying to know about the LORE. Mercy hitting on Baptiste? Whoa! Someone call the fire department!! Zenyatta is some inspirational enlightened being, but doesn't know meaning of the symbols on his orbs? The whole spirit of this game is just gone. But hey- at least it's woke, right? 😖

[@xDjembex]

@@rfrakctured you were so close and then you decided some people need to be invisible to the rest of the world. Unfortunate.

[@MrWazzietje]

Speaking as a DPS player: for a healthy game, it would be better to return to 6vs6. Double shield can be easily fixed, and is already mostly fixed. The continuous counterswapping and especially the balancing issues 5vs5 causes... It is frustrating for the tank players and by extension frustrating for their teams. 5vs5 technically would work, if they would redesign all heroes and rethink the purpose of the tank role.

[@gamerbeast3616]

6v6 sucks this guy has horrible takes

[@1DanteadamS1]

@@gamerbeast3616 6v6 is great ^ this guy has horrible takes

[@Gen-oe4tn]

Yes, 6v6 sucks so bad. That's why OW1 was literally a massive hit and established a whole new IP for Blizzard. /s

[@R0s3456]

@@gamerbeast3616 depending who you ask and i think arguing for the dogshit patches we got (not that ow1 was any better) and just stupid counter picking is blatantly unfun

[@TruthJX]

There's no sense of risk reward anymore. An insane mechanical play that rewards you with a kill can be erased from history by a mercy res, or stopped altogether by a suzu, immo field, or weaver grip. There is so much less punishment for playing stupid now. The game is so much more forgiving. So many characters are rewarded so much for so little effort. Supports literally do everything, damage, small hitboxes, passive regen, great mobility, and abilities that can cancel out kills or ultimates just by pressing a button. I remember a time when a dps tank duel was decided by who made better use of their kit instead of ehat role/character they were on, with exceptions obviously. But nowadays, no dps is killing a tank in a 1v1, unless its like a rein but thats borderline worst hero in the game right now.

[@mo_riz]

Samitos take is honestly right. The current team has never understood what made OW win game of the year. It's like trying to understand a dog, we're simply too far apart. Game is going to inevitably die. RIP OW

[@Dreigonn]

I finally just quit. A player that’s been playing since day 1 in 2016. Team 4 is truly the worst development team I’ve ever had the privilege of witnessing. Every single change and update they make to this game is just another bandaid fix for a problem they made for themselves as a result of these awful clueless changes. Season 9 really was the last straw for me, and now season 10 I’ve just lost all desire to play the game. Fun fact, going into OW2, I had over 700 hours on rein. As of right now, in OW2 a year later. I have only 715 hours on rein, my MAIN. My main that I’ve played a total of 15 hours in a whole fucking year because he’s been so worthless for so long. Another fun fact! In OW1, I peaked at rank 92 on tank, 3800 on DPS, and idk support I never really played it. In OW2, my tank can barely maintain master, My DPS has consistently been GM1, and my support is mid master. How on gods green earth is my main role my lowest!

[@Jack06121995]

I feel you man! I've been in from 2020 just right before echo dropped (and COVID). I loved this game but I can see that right now the game is doomed and we have no choice but leaving what we used to love.

[@leaffinite2001]

Dont forget the balance decisions clearly made tk sell battlepasses!

[@Dayman98]

Brother make the switch to playing team fortress 2 instead, infinite fun and its free in a good non greedy way

[@iiChadd]

Its crazy to think people grew up with this game I was an adult by the time OW dropped, but I feel your pain this is how I feel about old CoD

[@WinterGoBrrr]

Isn't a crazy coincidence that both games are under the same publisher?

[@iiChadd]

@@WinterGoBrrr Yea but really only the consumer can be blamed, if people didn't buy into live services, they wouldn't exist.

[@kami_ow1366]

as a top500/high gm tank player, youre absolutely right. its unbelievable having to just lock orisa at the start of every game and counterswap all the time in is so frustrating

[@eqkookqe4262]

Do you still instalock orisa after her nerfs or is it more viable to play Mauga/Hog/Sig currently?

[@aarrontherwbyfan1181]

I'm a Dva Main I'm not top 500 but what hit home in this video is we can do one thing right and get 10 things wrong I don't care what the skill level is you can never make the right play as Tank And then getting yelled at for not making a play I would have made in 1 because leaving the point would hurt us is crazy

[@blakebradley829]

“I can ONLY play this game for two hours until I’m done” 😂😂😂

[@avyntide]

100% facts. 5v5 ruined the game. I gave it a fair shot, but it’s inferior in every way. Stopped playing when the story missions dropped, not planning on reinstalling until 6v6 is back. Lots of other competitive games out there more worthy of attention.

[@giuseppevaccaro7521]

100% bullshit lmao

[@Bken96]

Glad to have you on board. A high level dps player is always a valuable asset to the debate. Especially when the biggest online advocates for 5v5 are pretty much all dps players. Some supports too

[@MrMechLad]

5v5ers are mostly on Blizzards payroll or brand new fresh casuals, or ppl that hated ow and love it being a CoD game with cartoon graphics

[@kirkx1170]

The glazing is nutty!!!!!

[@clandon9624]

@@kirkx1170ik the 5v5 glazing is crazy. Like it’s objectively worse cause it’s not true overwatch

[@kooshappreciator4773]

@@clandon9624 true overwatch was 3 tanks 3 healers 0 dps and infinite shields. peak gameplay of just waiting for multiple ults to even have a chance of winning teamfight

[@Kamishikyo]

@@kooshappreciator4773 finally someone mentioned the thing everyone has forgotten because of pure nostalgia. Your gun was reduced to an ultimate charger instead of killing cuz nothing would die until ults. I remember the lovely double barrier meta, the grav dragon meta where it was who used the combo better or more often. I missed the times most dps were useless unless it was burst heroes. I miss the double winston, lucio and tracer meta. The only people who were having fun no matter what meta it was were tanks while everyone else werent.

[@tspfab7309]

The community should create a 6v6 gamemode in custom games and balance it themselves

[@LadySniperSwaggYT]

I saw a post on Reddit maybe a month ago and there is a guy who is making a 6v6 game mode with all of the changes that mimic ow1. He has a discord server and does testing every so often

[@魚-c3d]

It's actually happening, Samito has played it

[@TechIMO]

It exists. It’s better than 5v5 in literally every single way.

[@aarrontherwbyfan1181]

There is one with Old abilities I can't remember the name but I was invited to a Lobby only issue is the game crashes alot

[@BeyondTheMeatballs]

They have

[@Ballcheckbob]

That clip of you on hog dueling the rien was perfect at encapsulating how to tank is played in 5v5, not enjoyable 😭

[@velksa6835]

tank was my favorite role in ow1, i mained wrecking ball back then. ow2 has made tank so unenjoyable that i've completely switched to a support main.

[@footur3179]

I only played for 1 year of Overwatch 1 but I had so much fun hopping into comp games and one tricking Reinhardt and Winston every game. I've never had to pick Hog, Dva, Zarya, Orisa, Sigma ever in Overwatch 1 but now I have to constantly be switching my characters and learning how to play every single one, it's so frustrating. Why can't I win just by being a good Rein player? Why do I have to be a good Rein, Winston, Dva, Doom, Sig, Orisa, Ball, Mauga player?

[@ianformica7911]

the funniest thing is that becasue tanks get so much cc, they explode or never die. because they explode, they need to giga buff them, leading to more tanks never dying. its an endless loop because blizzard doesnt understand that 5v5 doesnt work and adding more characters with cc and movement abilities that are essentially get out of jail free cards is not fun, and makes it so things never fucking die.

[@ianformica7911]

another thing i want to note: double shield was strong because of sigma and orisas ability to deploy a shield and then do other things whilw the shield was down. that no longer exists in ow2, and replacing one of those characters with someone like rein wont work as well or at all because youre basically playing a 6v5 if rein needs to hold his shield up for double shield to work. ram wont work with double shield because his shield lasts like 4 seconds max either. there are no 2 tanks that have the ability to put down a shield (permanantly) and then do something else like sigma and orisa were albe 2 do

[@Abomdosnow]

10:57 It DID feel rewarding getting silver border... until I kept hearing "silver border plat" every other comp match

[@AShadyDoctor]

5v5 made me a support main. I mained rein since 2017 and now i havent played him in comp since season 3

[@EMMmaximino]

so true, i was a Zar and Rien main, in OW2 i switched to support

[@xaan7458]

As a support player, playing this game feels like you have to constantly be scared for your life because only having one tank means it's so much easier to flank the backline. Support is super strong, but I hate being in kiriko jail on comp

[@fistofram5526]

Move on to another game?

[@gats9593]

​@@fistofram5526most ow1 players have already

[@aarrontherwbyfan1181]

People abuse the crap out of that too

[@leonardo9259]

​@@fistofram5526I mean the other option is a bot infested tf2

[@Robotmudkip99]

@@leonardo9259paladins idk about it but it is a hero shooter.

[@Tranquill129]

I totally agree as a tank main. I really miss playing with my friend he’s a tank main too. Now we play open queue and sometimes we don’t get any supports

[@AigamiXT]

Honestly bro I understand opening up the game to more casual players like that’s fine, but adding stuff like roadhog being able to HOOK and HEAL during his ult and Moira being able to FADE during her ult and other baby more stuff like that is ridiculous, you shouldn’t be rewarded for using your ult at the wrong time you’re literally just removing opportunities to punish bad behaviors. Double shield was something to say the least, but like you said it was almost entirely the supports using these crazy sustain abilities keeping the tanks alive. All of that could’ve been avoided if the game simply wasn’t abandoned for a PVE game mode ultimately ended up being scrapped anyway. Orisa doesn’t even have a shield anymore, because of the format rein is just unplayable currently, sigma was a 5v5 tank they slapped into OW1. Every character that was released in OW1 had 6v6 in mind, but especially the tanks. If I’m playing DVA I’m gigabuffed because of the format, but the Zarya who can now freely beam me because I don’t have my second tank to help me take the pressure off as easily is also gigabuffed and now wins the matchup even more.

[@quirrel3335]

Honestly I could argue that 5v5 doesnt even make for a better casual experience. Most casuals just want to play their favorite 1-3 heroes but 5v5 punishes u for one tricking more than it did in ow1, especially if you are a tank player consistently having to counterswap. Dps and support are just as bad seeing that sojourn, lucio, and kiri have been meta almost every season in ow2. They should of just made ow1 free to play centuries ago and build off of 6v6.

[@heiko2255]

@@quirrel3335 Thats always what im saying to people who think 5v5 is more casual friendly. No its not, i have a friend who got into OW1 in 2022, he loved Rein and could basically always play him, but in OW2 you literally have less than 1% of winning if 1 or 2 people counter you, its a shitty experience. Also, because there is less teammates, everyone is worth more, meaning if someone feeds the game, you will feel it way more, especially if its the tank who is worth like 2 Heroes. Its just a flawed dogshit ass format, created by Blizzard to make OW2 seem like a new game, we could have maybe had 6v6 back already, but Blizzard keeps quiet about it and the shill content creators keep yapping about how 5v5 is good.. But im certain, 6v6 will return, eventually tank will be so miserable, people will quit in masses again (they already do) which will drag down DPS and Supp Qs aswell, when it all explodes, 6v6 and making tank fun is the best way to go forward.

[@quirrel3335]

@@heiko2255 I think more and more people will come around after the midseason patch with the horrendous tank changes.

[@stephenread7944]

It seems like the majority of players want 6v6, and the only people who want 5v5 are the ingrained content creators who've signed ndas with blizzard

[@S3nCh4n]

or new players who started playing after FTP and have no idea how the 6v6 experience is even like

[@comq01]

people who prefer 5v5 dont have to complain because they have what they like already, so ofcourse you'll only see comments about wanting 6v6

[@WatsonDynamite]

get 5v5, complain about 5v5, get 6v6 complain about GOATS meta... the problem isn't the team size it's that Overwatch has fundamental design issues that make it impossible to balance and to make fun

[@S3nCh4n]

@@WatsonDynamite idk what to tell you but i still had 2000 hours on ow1 despite all the metas (double shield, goats, ball/hog, even pirate ship/bunker) but quit after a year of ow2

[@stephenread7944]

@WatsonDynamite It's not that people will always complain. Believe it or not, people are capable of liking things, when those things are good. 6v6 had some terrible balancing but that by no means implies it's a lost cause? Ow had dive meta for YEARS, all before brig came out, and no one was complaining.

[@dumpsta-divrr365]

Grinding ranked as Rein and Winston and finding that off tank player you have perfect synergy with was one of my favorite experiences in gaming.

[@archonsouthpaw8690]

Along the lines of the game feeling like a CoD death match, I think the new map philosophy is too open. This applied to the whole team but as a tank main especially, there used to be (and still is on old maps) this tactical mind game of taking ground instead of simply fighting for point. But now with the maps being so open, any ground you take is nullified by a huge flank angle the entire enemy team can easily take, so there's no reason to do that. Don't play aggressive, just stay on payload. It's part of the reason supports do so much damage as a rule now, because they can't rely on good positioning to keep themselves safe from the infinite flank angles. The day instead of addressing this they chose to create another game mode that doubled down on it (flashpoint), that's the day this game officially died for me.

[@13thmember2]

I feel like all roles have character's abilities sacrificed in order to make up for the lack of a second tank. I play DPS but I always feel bad for tanks. From a DPS angle, I can't be as satisfied anymore. It's too easy to die. Leads to discourse between healers, then the tank's ability to stay alive or not. I really don't get the 5v5. Having a second tank was a great way to not get picked off so easily. I'm not a pro either or that high of a rank but damn, I remember the 6v6 being so much better and even easier (depending on the team). I main Hanzo along with Cassidy and Reaper. But something I notice is just the lack of fun anymore. Hanzo's one shot with squishier characters was so necessary. Now I can only dink a kiriko or phara or any lower HP characters. It's almost more practical to spam storm arrow sometimes which doesn't feel as rewarding at all after so many times compared to an actual, well placed, one shot. Idk but it feels like in order to keep the one tank alive more, the more they sacrifice everyone else's abilities. Even the tank's abilities feel lesser. I feel bad for tanks now

[@LawaWolf]

I totally agree with u about tank! Its not the same like in ow1 and its much more pressure on u if ur playing tank😢 I know the game is not the best right now tbh, but i hope it will get better next season❤💪

[@maxwellbischoff3332]

The biggest issue with 1 tank imo is it makes tank the most important role at least to me. Yes bad dps and bad support can make you lose but a bad tank will ruin any chance of winning. As a ball player I can’t enjoy setting up in sneaky spots and ambushing players bc I need to be up front protecting the team. I genuinely have never hated this game more than now.

[@archiveacc3248]

My favorite play in all of gaming was sneaking a flank on rein and oblitering a support with a charge. Or waiting and getting a team shatter by walking up behind all of them. None of this ever happens any more with one tank. You HAVE to be in front and you HAVE to be blocking or the game is just over. It's the shallowest gameplay blizzard has ever created.

[@shinreimyu]

I feel like 6v6 is the better casual experience Especially with ult wombs combos and it’s the reason why Smash has been increasing their multiplayer game modes Also locking heroes behind paywalls is also anti casual

[@darriendane]

really good stuff here. something about them trying to convince the audience that 5v5 was a more mathematically sound and fundamentally positive change for the game always rubbed me the wrong way. the original game was also developed with these concerns in mind, believe it or not. there was a reason the game was 6v6. just a really great dev team back then, and blizzard refuses to trust its history. good video, I miss loving this game

[@TheSonicShoe]

Overwatch players: *complain that their dev team is ruining their favorite hero shooter* TF2 players: first time? No but for real it sucks watching your favorite game drop so drastically in quality. I was never a huge fan of overwatch, it just wasn't for me, but I always respected the game. Seeing it in the state it's in sucks.

[@cantbelieve5231]

Me who never sided with any and just enjoyed both games, welcome to hell.

[@cantbelieve5231]

Funny how both communities are finally united by getting fucked over by their companies.

[@die66666]

what are you talking about, tf2 doesnt even get updates, besides that sorry excuse of a summer update. tf2 has been the same since 2015

[@jdl76556]

i peaked gm season 9 and played since before ana. the format is not the only problem. the game hasnt been fun for like 5 years. i kind of stopped playing after brig and double shield, but i played ow2 for less than 50 hours before i decided i just wanted to quit. trying to be a fan of this game is like keeping a family member on life support. im glad its falling apart and the years being miserable while the community was in denial wasnt just me. competitively, the game is fundamentally flawed. the dev team wanted to make an mmo.

[@michaelamcmurray]

Thanks for this. Was a diamond tank in ow1. I can't stomach tank play in ow2 and put the game down after thousands of hours

[@icestardragonhc]

I used to be a DVA main for hundreds hours in ow1. I played her like 5 hours in ow2. I miss the secondary tank role so much. The flexible gameplay was so much fun, flanking the enemy or chasing the harassers of your own backline. That doesnt exist anymore because when I leave my position as a tank now to do something thats not cosplaying a punching bag you kill your entire team immediatly. I know thats a tanks job to some degree but there's literally nothing left to do but this particular thing. It's so boring.

[@TheOneCrispy1533]

Playing this game for 2h is insane actually

[@rawakamaran3618]

Keep in mind flats asked for a Reinhardt rework lmao

[@Hamani1999]

ofcourse he did

[@jaded-harper]

Shills gonna shill. Flats always taking some pathetic neutral stance on things. Bro clearly hates playing tank, half the time I see his stream he’s playing dps lol

[@MediKitt]

@@jaded-harper thought that was because on tank he couldnt get a game in any reasonable amount of time

[@HammerHead-yx5dy]

That’s because they don’t want to change anything else with the game, Rein isn’t very viable due to the 5v5 format. Either they actually fix the game or they keep reworking characters, which is probably what will just keep happening. Rework after rework and nothing is fixed. If Rein is going to be viable with the 5v5 he needs something, not a full rework but some sort of buffs. Or they could actually balance the game but that’s likely never going to happen. I love Rein but most of the time he is godawful to play

[@kingclampz6081]

Flats does not have a brain

[@welcometochristown]

At least when one tank died in 6v6 the fight was still winnable. A team without a tank is nearly always a lost fight. They had no idea how to fix the tank role so they just removed half of it and gave a middle finger to the remaining tank players with making them have to deal with all the tank focus and cc.

[@pphaver871]

I like the video, and I share the sentiment. I hope some magic happens to return this game to what it used to be. It isn’t unplayable in the current state, but it’s like eating a hamburger without any burger. I was here on 2019 and 2020 for the teamwork and team based elements. These elements have been watered down in favor of deathmatchy elements. It is like one of my favorite games is having an identity crisis

[@dumpsta-divrr365]

I honestly just feel bad whenever I play with friends now (which is the only time I play this game), I inevitably start bitching about how they ruined the game beyond recognition. Which I mean, i could just not do...but it's difficult to not feel sad and disappointed playing it, it just reminds me of how much I used to love the game. And the fact that the stuff I WANT to do, as an ex main tank main, is literally not possible anymore.

[@archiveacc3248]

Every ow1 tank main knows what this guy is talking about...

[@Paul-zh2jp]

spot on with everything. i don't know what they're trying to do, but it ain't it

[@missileman03613]

Ive played through most of ow1 and a good amount of ow2 (stopped playing consistantly around season 9 or 10 i think) as a tank player one of the big things I miss from back in the day is being able to do rien zarya or frankly rien anyone because even against double shield knowing how to play a tank with someone is one of the most rewarding feelings known to man and it was a big shock when ow2 dropped/was teased with 5v5 and knowing that its gonna feel like someone is missing from the fight every time, I think 6v6 and 5v5 had problems but if im being real i think they had less in 6v6 or they wouldve had less problems with one support rather than one tank, it wouldve fixed the healing/sustain issues that are ever present and also kept tank combo plays along with keeping dps ques down, I honestly wouldve liked to see this way more than less tanks cause its brutal rn

[@princeandrew9073]

Yeah. I think the ow1 ranking system was so much better. I preffered SR and it just going up and down roughly 23 SR each game. It was plain, simple and fun. They reworked it because apparently it was 'confusing' and 'arbitrary' into something infinetley worse. At ow2 launch you had to win 7 games which was so boring and demoralising if you had like 14 losses. It is such a stupid idea that you could play 20 games and not even see your rank. They then reworked it to 5 games which still had the same problems. And now the new ranking system updates after every game which is better. However, me losing 40% after 1 game (for me) is more annoying due to demotion protection than just seeing me lose 22 SR at the end of each game. And then they added all these modifiers which makes me annoyed losing a game we were expected to win and vice versa. These modifiers were meant to improve the understanding of match making and explain the % you went up and down, but with SR nobody gave a shit. Nobody would even notice if they only won 21 sr instead of 23 sr because of how arbitrary the numbers and people not exactly remembering the exact SR they were before. It was a non issue that no one cared about that I now have an issue with in ow2. They changed the ranking system for the sake of it being a new game and then brainwashed the community into thinking there was any problem with original SR system. And personal prefernce, even if it is conveying same information, I prefer being 2750SR than Plat 3 50% through. Additionally the SR system was much better better because it was more comparitive. Saying your peak SR was 4106 was just better than saying GM 4. I also fully believe that T500 would be so much better if you could see your SR. Then the leaderboards would be more competitive and you can see how much infront the people are infront of you. Before champion was added, looking at the leaderboards and seeing that all 500 people were GM1 and max rank was useless information. I would much rather see how much the SR the people in front of you in the leaderboards were as it gives you infromation about how many more games you need to win. Then one more thing, why did they remove the ranks from the hero portrait to begin with in a game. Since everyone has private profiles, I would like to know who the gold or diamond player is in the lobby. Additionally, I also found it more exciting, exillerating and raising the stakes more seeing the ranks in top500 in ech game. I'd rather see the exact ranks of my team and knowing that I've got the rank 83 tank but they got the rank 17 support etc... Its again raises the stakes and makes the game feel moire competitive, supposed to just knowing the bracket of ranks is GM3-GM1. There you go, my rant over which I've heard no one really ever talk about. They removed the mostly perfect SR system because of it being a new game. And since then, they have updated the ranking system 3 more times, with none of them being as good as the original. PS. Do you remember when overwatch 2 first came out and they added the numbers so small into the actual rank emblem. It was such a bad design because you couldn't even see it. How stupid was that ?

[@madleap1364]

For me theres 2 things I miss before overwatch 1.01 came out. Working with my fellow tank protecting each other and talking to people. It’s awful never hearing people communicate with each other and be completely silent all game. They even removed group finder so it’s even harder trying to find random people who talk…

[@Variouswigg]

I think the whole community agrees 5v5 is way worse then 6v6 but the issues is when gold players the most populated rank has to wait 30 minutes+ for a game is never a good situation

[@ryryhc]

When overwatch 2 was still being rumored about and I heard about 5v5, I knew that this would be terrible, many people thought I was crazy. In the end, I played overwatch 2 once and i knew it was over, look where we are now. I've seen so many complaints and rants about overwatch more so than regular content.

[@S3nCh4n]

Just so people know- majority of the OW1 devs have left blizzard and the OW2 team consist mainly of new devs. This is why a lot of new skins look like they don't fit the style, balance for the game seem like they are trying to make this feel more generic shooter, and lore/new heroes/new voice lines seem like they're written by some kid playing with his Overwatch(tm) action figures. Another thing about making the game feel more casual-friendly with all those passives: As a mostly casual player (1000+hours from OW1 and never made it past Masters), it still feels worse than OW1 because it feels like you are getting way too much value from counter-picking vs counter-playing(aka just picking the right heroes). What I mean is that a lot of casuals just want to play a few heroes that they like (gameplay/lore etc). Another thing is, one tricks are annoying to play with but at least if they're good they could actually not be a huge burden. Now you get a one-trick on a bad hero and it's over before the game even starts.

[@racmanov]

ow 1 balance team were just as bad as ow2 is tbh.

[@ThePeterEffect]

I felt this in my soul. Was hardcore into OW1 and stopped immediately after OW2 dropped. Zero team play, guns felt super floaty and now OW1 is dead and gone.

[@elizabethdespair]

dude ur junkrat clips are so rad

[@doug2555]

So sad to have seen the mighty fall. Peak OW1 was unmatched, no other game replicated it. I played maybe 2 days of OW2 when I came to the conclusion that 5v5 just didn't feel the same. It didn't have the same spark. Haven't touched the game ever since a few days after release. I'm glad people are starting to notice, especially after the horrid balance changes. What you said at 9:06 perfectly encapsulated my thoughts when I played day 1 OW2. OW2 felt way more deathmatchy, OW1 was more centered around large dynamic teamfights with hundreds of possible ways it could go. OW2 on release and I suppose even now feels way more linear.

[@FOF275]

A very funny thing about OW2 now is that we're right back to square 1 with CC. A team of Sig, Lucio, Brig, Venture, and Junk for example is just boop/stun central It's wild how they claimed they wanted to reduce CC and limit it to tanks early on and then they release Venture and Iilari who have CC, but aren't tanks. These devs are so incompetent

[@xPrecisionx]

DPS mains were begging to get rid of the tanki-ness and sustain metas. Now that 5v5 happened and you got your wish, all the tank mains quit and the game has become so much worse. Be careful what you wish for.

[@lucan465]

I think the only valid defense for 5v5 now is queue times, but that can probably be argued as well. There is no doubt 6v6 is the superior format, and I used to say ‘ah, it’s subjective; some people have bad taste’, but no 6v6 is the superior format. It’s not just tanks that have become way more two dimensional and simple, it’s all of the roles. There’s less to think about, and less strategy, and lower creativity and playstyles. It’s interesting to go back to footage of ow1 and how much more interesting it was, minus the double shield thing; which you are right with Samito, that could’ve been balanced out.

[@MasoHQlC5GW5btFZ]

when the game is good the queue times are low lol im still waiting similar times for 5v5 games as i did in 6v6

[@heywarneywarney6959]

Another thing bt 6v6 was the total chaos that was way greater. It made the games overall more fun, in 5v5 it does kinda feel a little empty.

[@heiko2255]

Great Video, im certain well get 6v6 back eventually, since Tank is in a dogshit spot and people are fed up. The Game isnt really growing either and the new Esport is in a bad place too. Something has to change. But for now, all we can do is wait and complain, heres a list of what OW2 took from us - 6v6 - Account Levels (with actual Rewards and Progression in form of Borders) - Weekly Arcade Rewards (remember those?) - SR Ranked System (was more satisfying to climb and see numbers go up) - Looking for Group - The Old HUD that had personality - The Old PotG Music (sounded better imo) - End-of-Game Lobbies - Voting Cards - Quick Play being fun and not a sweatfest Ok now, some things OW2 did well in my opinion - F2P - Live-Service - Less CC - Orisa Rework And thats about it, all of that could have been done in OW1 aswell, and we would have had a great game, but no...

[@aNugget100]

On the roadhog thing - I feel you! I was a flank hog main for multiple seasons in OW1. It was by no means OP. The downsides you mention for sure, but it was also accepting the fact that your team would have the worse ult economy, which was offset by Hog being able to hook and one shot a dps or support during/pre-ult. There were drawbacks to that playstyle, and advantages. It was dynamic, it was down to player skill, and you absolutely required protection from your team in order to do it successfully, otherwise you would feed.

[@StimmBehr]

Before the game even released we had critics knowing exactly what would happen. Dunkey saying that steamrolling would get worse, tanks being unkillable monsters. It’s just not fun.

[@caraldinho]

I used to be a 4200 ana Lucio player in ow1 and after OW2 started, I just felt this overwhelming sense of boredom. And when LHCloudy started a unranked to gm1 Ana account where he exclusively hard pocketed the one tank and did nothing else, I understood how extremely fucked the state of support is in this game. You can legit be dogshit and just press m1 and e off cooldown into the tank and reach the highest rank in the game, so what even is the point in trying to play well. The entire game got dumbed down so much it's honestly depressing

[@chloesdedd]

as soon as 5v5 happened, I started playing open queue but I miss it sm 😭😭🙏

[@BakaStryx2]

I met one of my best buddies in OW1. We both OTP tanks, Hog and Rein. Playing together as a tank duo brought us together, and the removal of a tank cause us to duo significantly less. Hog, Rein, and pretty much every other character on the OW2 roster were not designed for a 5v5 format, and forcing the game into a 5v5 format by stripping heroes of their identities is what’s killing Overwatch.

[@TylerPayne21]

I remember the day that the Overwatch team announced that the game would be switching to 5v5. I was so confused at the time, and I still am.🤨❔❔❔

[@Llama_charmer]

The fact that they had the audacity to Call it "overwatch2", while completely removing the first game from existence still annoys me. But they had to, because nobody would voluntarily play overwatch 2 over the original. It feels like basically everyone has a story of blizzard screwing over a game they loved and overwatch is mine.

[@Mimo-ye5pm]

The amount of times I've had the urge to play OW1 in the past two years but only have OW2 to go to, log on and remember "oh this is different" and log off. OW1 may have had overpowered plays or heroes, but you know what? It was fun.

[@aaronvazquezisawsome]

I was literally one level away from becoming silver border 😞 now I’m just taunted every time I click career profile

[@hahahahaha7237]

Same it’s frustrating lol

[@BenSolo777]

Lmaoo me too.

[@SlippyDoper]

god I miss the days of my Zarya, I mean me and my buddy would just switch off the frontline using his shield on Rein and my Bubbles and occasional flank with a bubble for a single pick to get some space. And now it just seems like the community is so changed I don’t know what I’m talking about?!?! Like the synergy in the Old Overwatch 6v6 was unmatched and once they got rid of that second tank it ruined it all, Coming from a 2017 Zarya main around Diamond rank, man I miss all you tank mains w me….. We ran that shit back in the day idc.

[@WorldKeepsSpinnin]

Yea, this games done for if they dont change back to 6v6. Its like i said from the start of season 1, 5v5 CAN WORK, IF they redesign the ENTIRE game. Meaning, maps, heros, swapping heros, literally EVERYTHING. But would that be a better game? Likely not, AND blizzard will NEVER do that. They are too slow. They do not work fast enough, and clearly dont have the passion to do that in any way that would be good. They are just digging a deeper hole for themselves season after season. Season 9 changes were the nail in the coffin for me, havent played since. And wont ever play again until 6v6 is added back. I say this as a DPS player also, Since season 1 ive been saying the game was much worse. If you play in high elo you also see, so many names you use to see everyday, you see less and less. Games bad right now, and its so sad to see. Compared to the oct patch of 2020, how much worse the game became. Since day 1 i was saying, this is some sort of trash team deathmatch. Held in your spawn if your tank is bad, unkillable tanks running around, No distractions from your team like in 6v6 so tons of playstyle / carry the game options were taken away. It just sucks. No games are winnable anymore, if your team is bad. Before nearly every game was winnable. Now you simply cannot outskill 800 hp healthpools. I was so happy for ow 2, thought we were going to get a bunch of new heros (They said like 7-8 were coming at the same time at one point, which never happened), more players, free to play etc. It was gonna be great. But then they announced 5v5, i was like okay... ill try it, then the beta came, horrible. It was just beta though right? It will get better... Season 1 comes, and i knew it was over. Then season 6 was the beginning of the end, PVE gone, the whole reason i was putting up with 5v5, and this new downgraded game, deleted. Ok but maybe this is a ray of hope? Maybe now they focus on the multiplayer and finally add back 6v6. Nope. And its just been worse and worse every season. Well, i got my top 500, reached my goal. And was high gm every season after season 3. But i wish i could of did it on the better game. On 6v6. But oh well. Blizzard has such a big ego, even though they have ruined many of their games over and over. Given chance after chance and still ruin things. Its time to just move on. Near the end of overwatch 1 when barely anyone was playing. Thats when they listened. Guess thats what its going to take again.

[@itsbeeva]

with every change they make trying to force 5v5 to work, they kill the identity of the game, the unique heroes/roles we love, the flow of the game/gameplay loops. It's so frustrating I'm gonna keep ranting about it until the game inevitably dies fr. They've been breaking the rules of their own game for years trying to balance this for casuals, who don't care about this game....... Not only that, but they FAILED, because now even casuals are stuck counter=swapping and playing the meta. Everybody has less choices and it SUCKS.

[@PhatBastard4677]

Honestly I don't even agree with that stance that 5v5 can work if you change everything if role queue remains. I strongly believe that EVERY role requires 2 to tango & 2 heroes to mitigate each others' weaknesses.

[@Llama_charmer]

They could revert the game to the state it was in 3 years ago and it would do better than what they have now. That alone tells you they are actively killing their own game

[@vigilantbruiser1119]

They can't, if they do it'll mean the relaunch was for nothing. They've backed themselves into a corner and won't admit they messed up big time, because that will prove what everyone has said about the game so far.

[@Llama_charmer]

@@vigilantbruiser1119" they can't backtrack because that would involve admitting they were wrong". Sounds about right

[@Malxer]

Truer words had never been spoken

[@Mil-lc2hx]

Bro I’ve literally been saying everything in this video since the game came out. This entire thing was straight facts. I am also a former Gm/Top500 player from OW1 and still play OW2 from time to time. I am around GM in this game too. It’s crazy to me how Blizzard shills/Overwatch apologists will tell you straight to your face “Well they aren’t gonna change it back so just be grateful!🤓” Like yes guys we the consumers of this shitty game don’t deserve better and should just be grateful with the inferior product. Like yeah guys let’s be grateful to BLIZZARD we owe it to them👍 Let’s be mindless bots and enjoy our shit game and never find for anything better! I used to be a Gm/top500 Rein player in OW1 and it was fucking awesome. The cool part was that even when double shield was the meta if you had the sauce on rein you could still make it work. Even in double shield there were still opportunities to outplay. New rein pin can’t even fucking kill a reaper or mei. And it’s near impossible to play him now in anything higher than like fucking masters, and shitty Overwatch2 streamers will be like “he’s still playable! Get good!” Like yes bro I looove playing Reinhardt on super skull-fuck difficulty! That’s how I always wanna play him! The streamers of this game really let people down by becoming blizzard shills. They will complain about the game then get sponsored to play with some bullshit garbage drops and all the sudden they got nothing to say anymore. The truth is that we simply have an inferior product. I as the consumer don’t fucking owe it to anyone to be grateful to blizzard of all fucking companies😂 like if the game is shit I’m gonna be annoyed. Also don’t even get me started on the in game shop. Or some of the other changes they made. Why are rank symbols suddenly minimalist soulless corporate dogshit and what happened to border levels? People were getting bullied for border levels?????? Who? Also if you cry when someone makes fun of your border it’s time to get off the game and take walk you fucking baby. Also the Overwatch 2 hero designs are so fucking shit😂 once Kiriko was released (in the battle pass😂) I knew it was the beginning of the end. That hero really is just the Bobby Kotick’s legacy. She will always be viable because of her busted kit and she’s designed to sell skins. PEOPLE ALSO LOVE TO CHERRY PICK CLIPS OF PEOPLE GETTING STUNNED IN OVERWATCH 1 BUT THE REASON THAT HAPPENED WAS BECAUSE OF ONLY A COUPLE PROBLEMATIC HEROES. IF THE BALANCE TEAM WASN’T FUCKING STUPID BAP/BRIG/SIG/ORISA WOULD HAVE BEEN NERFED LIKE 8 FUCKING YEARS AGO AND WE NEVER WOULD HAVE GOT THIS SHITTY GAME. If the team spent the time they used when they abandoned Overwatch 1 for 2 fucking years to instead better the game that got them this far we would still be 6v6😂 and have a better game. People seem to forget that Overwatch was the biggest game in the world when it came out. It had the potential to be a generational competitive game like LOL,CSGO, ETC but they fumbled the bag like morons by franchising the shitty ass league and actively making anti-competitive decisions (Private profiles, shit balancing, Etc) they were on top of the world and THREW IT ALL IN THE TRASH. BIGGEST BAG FUMBLE IN THE HISTORY OF GAMING. ANYONE WHO HASNT PLAYED THE FIRST GAME HAS NO IDEA. You were right the game has been baby-afied. Rein can’t fire strike through petal, HOG THROWING HIS PIG PEN CAN BE CANCELLED YET KIRIKOS ULT IS NEAR IMPOSSIBLE TO CANCEL??????? I’m so glad you made this video. You don’t understand how much I’ve been trying to tell people exactly what was said in this video. If there is one thing the Overwatch team has always represented throughout the games entire lifespan it would be the sin of pride. When a character is busted in LOL they disable and fix the fucking problem. In Overwatch they deny it. Too much pride to disable launch brig and look where that got them. Too much pride to EVER admit a mistake. Always doubling down on shitty decisions. Thank you to whoever read this entire schizo rant. I actually have a lot more to say believe it or not but it’s really late.

[@0.O0x]

what I don't get is how fucking level borders were removed due to the fact that "people were getting bullied for it", maybe people in chat were telling them to "touch grass" or "get a job" or whatever, I mean first of all your a goo goo ga ga baby that wears diapers full of diarrhea sack of shit if you get butt hurt for those silly comments, and whats EXTREMELY IRONIC is now all of a sudden in OW2 they show IN-GAME STATS to expose your KD to literally EVERYONE in the lobby, NOW THAT causes a fuck ton more bullying than your level border/rank icon (even though I like it exposing my KD, but my point is that they remove something to fix a "bullying" but then add something else which actually increases "bullying" exponentially if your not performing good). And one more thing is where the fuck.. ok you hear me? WHERE THE FUCK ARE THE WEAPON INSPECTS THEY SHOWCASED IN OCTOBER 2022 THE FUCKING RETARD SELLOUT PIECE OF SHIT COMPANY THAT THEY ARE

[@Mil-lc2hx]

@@0.O0xyeah bro facts😂 nobody understands what’s going through that retarded companies head😂 yet so many of the big ow streamers (that happen to get promoted a lot by blizz) will try and gaslight you and tell you to be grateful😂 People act like it’s IMPOSSIBLE to go back to the way things were, like it’s literally possible it’s just blizzard has too much pride lol. And now you get perma muted if you have the lowest endorsement level even in competitive like anyone gives af about that bullshit feature. Sensitive ass company, I genuinely have no idea what crack they are smoking😂

[@Mil-lc2hx]

@@0.O0xyeah also this is just what they do. They strip down the game, get rid of features people like, make change just for the sake of change and then add it back later and pretend it’s content. Notice how they get rid of all these features that promote the satisfaction of the player🤔. Get rid of all the rewards and player satisfaction and people will run to the in game shop to get their little dopamine hit from playing their hero with a skin they just spent 20 bucks on😂 shameless company really.

[@Mil-lc2hx]

@@0.O0xthey want the game to be a shit generic FTP game like Valorant sooo bad. They wanna cash in on the shit live service model and make the game generic. Like what the guy said in the video they are stripping down the game.

[@Jack06121995]

​@@Mil-lc2hxthe saddest things is that all we are saying is fuckin proved. Overwatch league abandoned, half of the followers to watch streams, people leaving the game across all ranks, queue times higher than the moon even with all changes done to make them faster. You said it right: they have too much pride, they have so much pride that, instead of listening us, they're paying some shitty and pathetic content creator to make us thing what they want. Only God knows how much I hate flats, the embodiment of this doom

[@vhyles]

My conscience is clear, I did not spend a single penny on this soulless pile of shit of a game which kidnapped our original Overwatch, murdered it and is continuing to parade its lifeless corpse with impunity while earning heaps of cash in the process.

[@GraphiteBlimp27]

Another Hawk quote to bolster the one you provided at the end “In OW2 if you win you don’t feel pleasure you feel relief” (paraphrasing)

[@MrRBX]

Your point about Roadhog hit the nail on the head. I dont feel like skill is rewarded anymore

[@arch_imedes7108]

The unfortunate reality is that they needed to reduce tanks to one per team because of queue times. The less people want to play a particular role, the longer the queue times for the other roles become.

[@sakimarques]

Although that's true, the game only reached that point because of a lack of updates and the double shield meta, which was an aftermath of 2-2-2, which was an aftermath of goats, which was an aftermath of... you get the point. I believe it started when we got Brig + a lot of aoe healing (Bap and Moira), but I believe that with the right balancing on 6v6, queue times would not be bad, hell, maybe even role queue would become obsolete given the right balancing choices.

[@Vastspartan]

The que times is even worse now.. The crowd control is exacerbated because there is one giant target on the field whose top priority besides forcing out cooldowns and killing is to create space.

[@aarrontherwbyfan1181]

We still have long Queue Times for DPS and Support and instantly for Tank and more people play Support and DPS because of how bad 5v5 is So this helped nothing the problem still exist

[@arch_imedes7108]

@@aarrontherwbyfan1181 i mean, the queue times would probably be a lot longer if it was 6v6 in the current state

[@jamesjamsey]

As a former gm on several accounts I agree on everything you say, only thing I would add is this, with just 1 tank if that tank plays badly, out positionened etc it is much easier for the enemy team to roll us if we have a tank in our face, especially if we are playing imobile supports and dps.

[@reesyloko5741]

The thing about 6v6 tank synergy was that no matter what tanks you picked you could win and it forced dps and support players to think about their cooldown usage positioning and playstyles like Rein/ball can work even as goofy as it sounds because if the enemy team has a zen and ball is harassing them you as rein can have worry about discord way less and because of how ball plays around health pack the lack of defense matrix or zarya bubble is made up for in the fact that you'll have more resources and healing on you from your supports like you'll atleast have one support behind you at all times if the other one is with the dps( I'm a support player btw) and even playing against rein/ball if I'm on zen and the ball is making the game hard for me then ill go brig or lucio and in doing that the enemy rein can be more aggressive and i won't be able to hard punish him but I can punish ball but rein gets to play the game in a more fun way because even if i myself don't swap or adjust my playstyle somebody will because you can't just ignore the ball and let him roam freely into your team Also losing feels less oppressive because steamrolls are less common and of a team is running you over then you can combo ults/ abilities to turn it around or halt the enemy teams hard advance which happens way less nowadays because alot of the team play aspects have been eroded away In conclusion 6v6 is a more stable game and solo tanking is like your coworker that you work with getting fired and you now having to do their job with a 25% raise yeah your getting paid more but your literally doing the job of two people so its getting more stressful and punishing

[@WatsonDynamite]

they'll bring 6v6 back and you'll promptly go back to bitching and moaning about GOATS meta

[@reesyloko5741]

@@WatsonDynamite jokes on you i actually liked playing goats

[@domonator1167]

8:10 was saucy as hell

[@KokomiClan]

Sprixy: "You can't kill the tanks - fornat issue, not balance issue." Recent OW Devs: "So we removed headshots on tanks, changed armour to make them tankier and gave then an HP% of max healing passive". You can't make this up...😂 But I agree, the game is just not fun anymore #bringback6v6

[@WatsonDynamite]

they'll bring 6v6 back and you'll promptly go back to bitching and moaning about GOATS meta

[@lovemykiss9]

I bet you’re getting paid a fat stipend to deepthroat Blizzard.

[@TurningTrix42]

The biggest bummer of it all is that they really had something amazing with OW1, not that it didn't have (very fixable) flaws here and there, but even with the flaws, it was an incredible game and all they had to do, was maintain what they already had and just add content (rather than abandoning the game for 4 years) and instead they decided to start changing fundamental, core aspects of the game and they lost what made the game incredible. All they had to do was not fuck it up, but that's exactly what they did.

[@Clarkwater]

As a DPS player who started all the way back in 2016 until now, I can completely agree with what you said here. Overwatch 2 is a straight up downgrade in gameplay design. The game the devs are trying to make for everyone will never exist, because a game for everyone is a game for no one.

[@thomascao-t8s]

like people said, every good thing will come to an end, let's appreciate that there used to be a version of Overwatch where every one of us love to play

[@carldalord]

0:20 I’d hope you’d only be playing overwatch for 2 hours or less a day. Sounds like you don’t actually have gripes when ya start out with that LOL

[@jvlink2956]

some people do play a lot to be in the literal top500, I myself as a former t500 dps and support used to play 4 hours at the least with my friends, rn barely gm I play maybe 2 hours a week.

[@Apari1010]

Seeing this video and many others like it makes me cry a bit. I used to play this game a lot back in OW1 but the passion left me before I could achieve my goal of top 500. I peaked around low GM/high masters area (3955 SR I believe) and was at one point the rank 23 Genji on overbuff. This game is like a good friend who got addicted to drugs and ended up getting hospitalized. No one on this planet has hurt me more than Blizzard Entertainment. I came back for a bit in Overwatch 2, thought things were going to get better but I hated 5v5 but everyone's coping that it's better. Way less interaction, way less fun, way less skill ceiling. The straw that broke the camel's back for me was the addition of Lifeweaver. When I saw Lifegrip I immediately went and uninstalled the game. A support having that much agency and denial is too much. Not only is it frustrating to play against but also if your support doesn't like you, they'll just troll you by picking Lifeweaver and pulling you. As a Genji especially, you already have to think about how you're going to outplay the enemy but now you have to think about outplaying your own team?? Nah man, I was just done. I hope this game bounces back but the entire dev team needs to be replaced because they have zero fucking clue what they're doing with the game and what made it truly enjoyable in the first place. Otherwise, this game's future looks bleak. Anyhow that's my piece.

[@Pam234]

Just wanted to say I completely agree that 6v6 > 5v5 But we all know that blizzards ego will never allow this. They either completely abandon 5v5 which I doubt they will do, or at this point, lose players I joined ow2 season 1 and found that Dva monkey and rein play styles really resonated with me (in order from my most played to least) I’d absolutely love to play Dva and not have every punch, sleep, discord (which is a problem in it of itself), etc. directed at me. I do wish that i could have played during ow1s prime even if im still having fun on ow2. Hell, maybe I’d even play hog. His concept in 6v6 seems really funny. Just an opinion from a diamond tank player

[@WatsonDynamite]

they'll bring 6v6 back and you'll promptly go back to bitching and moaning about GOATS meta

[@Pam234]

@@WatsonDynamite do you know what goats even is

[@GamewizDeluxe]

Ngl, hearing you make rank 8 in season 24 just hurts to hear...I still hate losing overwatch 1, and I was only plat back then 😢

[@twogluon]

It took forever to get games in 6v6. I much prefer 5v5. Tanks were so unpopular then and are still unpopular now. OP wants a weaker tank but two of them? So… make them less playable and even harder to fill teams?

[@psxhum]

Op has no idea, he does not play tank as main. all he said is bullshit. he did not even know why in ow1 no one wants to play tank

[@Norrschein]

I was top 500 in OW1 and even coached GM level teams. Credentials aside, my biggest gripe with the one tank format is that it gives a single player the ability to take their team hostage. If you had a main tank that just ints, you could run two main tanks and try to make that work. Now, you can't. I have had so many ball players just go feed 1v5, hogs flanking alone and inting, that I lost count. You can not do anything about this scenario in OW2. If your tank refuses to cooperate you are just done.

[@I_am_a_cat_]

Just say feed. You sound dumb af saying "inting"

[@davizappelinisales2213]

5v5 is like overwatch mobile

[@megamecha100]

Bro lmao, it's like those fighting games on the app store

[@Ven_detta_]

5v5 as idea is fine, but OW1 wasn't designed with 5v5 in mind (it wasn't designed with live service in mind but lets not get intk that) literally every hero and map needs tk be overhauled for it to work and actually feel as fun as OW did back in 2016, everything just feels too shallow

[@Waywurd08]

Really good point about Reinhardt. He’s the whole point of Overwatch