The FALL of Overwatch 2

[@Loveyourhair25]

Amazing video! Well made, grats on the views. looking forward to the next one

[@silvamlon]

oh my god, thank you so much! this means more to me than you can imagine

[@Raoulrad]

​@@silvamlonwhat if i donate 500

[@Lumbercap]

Was it really a surprise when it failed?@@silvamlon

[@topasu9454]

imagine being braindead enough to support this garbage. and i don't even play overwatch

[@lawjef]

Greedyness isn't a word. Greed is the word you are looking for. The "yness" is superfluous

[@syvulpie]

People seem to forget another lie, Blizzard said: "Overwatch 1 and Overwatch 2 players can play together"

[@beardbeardedbeardsbeardedh9374]

Thanks fot reminding me I had completely forgotten that part 🤡💀

[@Zack_Zander]

Exactly, the heck is that suppose to mean? They literally shut down and remove Overwatch 1.

[@beardbeardedbeardsbeardedh9374]

@@anananananananananananananana If I remember correctly, this was announced pretty early on, and they clearly implied at the time that OW2 and OW would be two different things but that they would share servers so that people playing on OW2 could still play we the players that stayed on OW.

[@Kittysune12]

@@Zack_Zanderit used to be OW2 is PVE OW is PVP

[@lazyeyegamerz8027]

if they get an account on OW2 they are no longer OW1 players are they...so no, that is not what was promised....@@anananananananananananananana

[@impulse8935]

It's really sad, this game holds a huge place in my heart and it hurts seeing it get milked to death and shoved aside.

[@silvamlon]

well, atleast now there is a huge open space for a new class based shooter to come around, so that could be fun, I hope you liked the vid!

[@arbalest327]

welcome to what destiny has been experiencing for a long time, it isnt fun i agree.

[@arbalest327]

@@silvamlon I did like the vid, it is just a sad reality tho that most of gaming is heading towards this model of infinite micro transactions and laziness. Which will probably make gaming go to its lowest point ever outside of indie games. Along with possible big companies dying out once everyone realizes it isn't worth to play those games. Come here to play games for fun, lots of games from triple a companies don't understand that all the way anymore XD

[@vigilr6595]

Blizzard practically ruined all their games entirely so dont feel bad thats their motto lol

[@TowerWatchTV]

Same. Will never forget the fun i had even if it was furious at times but the feeling of energy and adrenalin flow was always guaranteed. Now my adrenalin rushes only when i see everything locked behind battlepass. No price is justified if it was previously free and part of the core gameplay.

[@gamerpigeon4513]

The fact that we can NEVER go back to Overwatch 1 in actually pure, sheer robbery. I cannot believe I have had one of my favourite games stolen away from me...

[@getpape4126]

Only 2 trash support characters this whole year it’s a joke. And their character design is shit and is worse quality than every other hero before. They look like bad fan made heros.

[@travwinner2]

Literally. We paid for overwatch 1. I feel like it's not even legal to just get rid of it entirely.

[@mathigamerbr]

expect overwatch classic in 3 years where you can rebuy everything you had already bought

[@elhazthorn918]

Yep. I bought a physical copy of Overwatch 1 when it came out, at the urge of my brother. Boycotting Blizzard has been a really good decision.

[@rubixn00b71]

bruh they diddnt even remove it, they just threw a shitty update on it and called it overwatch 2, its got the exact same file path and exe even. its the exact same fundamental game. they just took an extra big sledgehammer tho the hero kits this time, threw in a battlepass, and rotated out half the maps, fucked the core balance even more, and told you it was new. you got scammed both ways.

[@nikushim6665]

Everyone had all the redflags before the game even launched. Right before it was given a launch date Jeff jumped ship, a month before the actual launch the lead producer also jumped ship. Month into launch the lead character designer quit etc. Reality was ATVI suffered a huge stock crash with all the lawsuits/strikes and controversies. They were rushing literally everything they had out to launch in order to pad up the P/E ratio and stock value for the eventual MSFT buyout. They didn't care about the longevity of those titles anymore just quick gains to keep them afloat.

[@mapleflag6518]

Yup and no amount of “revealing” heroes to be LGBTQ+ could save them.

[@mossup-]

The PvE was A proof of concept which they downscaled and sold to us, A DOWNSCALED PROOF OF CONCEPT. Its heart breaking what they have done to this game.

[@RaidenKunii]

What the blizzard execs did to the game*** dont blame the devs they’re trying their hardest when they have shitty higher ups. Invasion is the salvage of what was canceled because they wanted to put their work out. When all the original devs left in the middle of pve it was difficult for the new team because they got a shitton of work without and idea what the original vision was

[@ducasse8473]

It's not downscaled at all. They literally just said. "Yeah we kinda suck at this, but we'll give you guys what we got." And now they're drip feeding it to us. You have a little too much respect for blizzard if you think they have that much more content for this thing behind the scenes.

[@chillbizz74]

I feel bad for the OW players who had to get one of the biggest gut punches in gaming history, I never played OW but I feel really bad for you guys. This is just HEARTBREAKING and this is why I fear about games getting updated because they become worse or they take away what was good. They tried to fix a problem that didn't exist and they got greedy..

[@atlas.from.portal2]

This is why tf2 is superior

[@ImmaLittlePip]

​@@atlas.from.portal2 TF2 has PvE (Mann vs Machine) as well all the way back in 2012

[@BlackJesusHimself]

The fact that their excuse was "It was taking too long and didn't meet our standards" is literally the same as saying "We are too lazy to keep developping our game, so we decided to come out with a smaller PvE, yea see ya in a few months when we add a new season"

[@soulsearcher9620]

If it doesn't meet your standards.... Then make it better. If it's taking time.... Then it's the time needed to make it. You don't make something faster than is needed to make it. They're just lazy and greedy. The fact that on launch the store has no bugs and function perfectly.... when on launch you also physically couldn't get into a lobby, some heroes had to be disabled due to bugs, and you got locked inside maps after a match so you had to alt f4 and relaunch your whole game to fix it...... Yeah it's just greed and laziness.

[@retrofizz727]

@@soulsearcher9620 I guess it's just bobby kotick saying "why the hell do we need 3 years for a pve people will buy once, while we can just add a battlepass in 5 minutes that people will need to buy monthly ? remove that sh*t"

[@retrofizz727]

@@soulsearcher9620 Also, I think if covid didn't exist they would have "the time" to develop everything in time and maybe it wouldn't have been delayed

[@mika-yy7gk]

goofy ahh people 💀 its just a game lil bro

[@retrofizz727]

@@mika-yy7gk what if it’s a game you spent 1000h on ?

[@OccupiedMuffins]

The worst part about failures like this is the knowing part, knowing just how much money they have and how many resources and how talented of a workforce they have and literally do NOTHING with it

[@ot7biasedmashups]

Exactly. It's so sad comparing it to Riot Games who do tons of things like e-sports, music, cinematic and a whole ass series which aren't profitable at all. (I do hope Arcane filled their pockets tho lmao) They do all those things because they care about the game and want to keep it alive. They could have easily sat on their money but they just don't do that.

[@nxmx6ix]

All of this potential, wasted... I see this is a new trend in gaming nowadays, it's truly a shame.

[@agoatheadbaby3512]

They're not doing nothing with those resources, they're completely mismanaging them, which is a little worse as it means they're wasting the honest efforts of competent people.

[@aduner3645]

Well they didn’t fire a lot of their skilled developers for nothing. I mean why put money and effort into your games if you can also put your effort into cheap cashgrabs that make you more money than ever before. It sadly works out for them and they don’t care that they ruin the good name of the company and the faith we had in it

[@SnowFlightVA]

Remember when people said Overwatch would lead TF2 to die. Not only did tf2 live longer than overwatch, it lived longer than overwatch 2 😂

[@vinnyandlin8510]

I mean tf2 has had it's own problems but Overwatch 2 didn't even put up a fight

[@alexkammeraad6321]

Tf2 being alive right now is a stretch. Player numbers are bloated by bots

[@bmaxy1563]

@@Ishizaky1tf2 also have lazy developers.. game is just better

[@superspies32]

And TF2 is much cooler, excellent campaign, you can wall run and fly jump constantly. No shitty shield meta can against those want to rodeo without any assistances.

[@superspies32]

​@@bmaxy1563TF2 dev be drained to Apex Legends since ss0.

[@TheWheatless]

Playing overwatch on release in 2016 was such an incredible and unique experience. It’s not an experience I expect to ever have again.

[@lilalvi10]

Ow on release was so fun cuz every every single character was broken. In that way it was balanced

[@ahmadhassan3684]

This

[@cafelatte1124]

Almost no cheaters. And majority of people didn’t know what they were doing so the picks were actually somewhat diverse.

[@uria3679]

Once the world sees the country the size of Texas defeat a global superpower, it will motivate everyone to fight against corruption and greed And once that happens, we will take over companies like Blizzard and make gaming what it used to be

[@melandor0]

It was so much fun, it was just a party game. No ranked, no limitations, just 6 bastions going up against whatever else wacky shit, it was the mario kart of shooters and I miss it immensely.

[@valere5244]

Overwatch is finally dead… I can finally rest easy…

[@masterkenshi510]

It’s full of rage, but still has a player base with millions

[@CoconutDoge]

​@Idkdk9rk well- 99% of those are overwatch porn conunity, ow only uad a few dozen thousand players on steam

[@masterkenshi510]

@@CoconutDoge I’m NA console and I can find a game max 6 minutes, while yes the game is dying it’s not completely dead. And the ow porn community is not a thing. It’s a group of low testosterone addicts who need to see real women. Blizzard is doing everything they can to prevent the inevitable: have Microsoft take the company under their own wing

[@masterkenshi510]

@@CoconutDoge But I agree like how do the animators/artist put more in then blizzard themselves 💀

[@pimps1103]

why are you lying when you can simply open steam and see it has over 60k players online right now playing JUST on steam not including console lmaooo@@CoconutDoge

[@StockLlama]

As a Team Fortress 2 Player, it’s nice to see both communities come together to dump on blizzard. It’s heartwarming

[@engineerbeta1515]

This is like starting a TF2 taunt and everyone joins in lol

[@Jason-or4qy]

We are all collectively kazotsky kicking ontop of its grave

[@gravitygames4495]

I read heartwarming in Spy's voice lol

[@Jason-or4qy]

@@gravitygames4495 hong gong hong

[@BigBadBatch]

This is going to be the comeback of TF2 honestly. the playerbase around it seem to keep on growing. EVEN after almost 2 DECADES!

[@svetaAFG]

I work in IT and it pisses me off how all these big companies blamed COVID for missing deadlines. We hit a new high during COVID because people stopped spending excessive time on the road to work, on endless teabreaks and other distractions. It's really not that hard to organize a bunch of introverts to work remotely, c'mon

[@Fosten12]

The anger i feel mostly comes from the fact that the potential was astronomical and blizzard killed every bit of hope for the game.

[@opo3628]

Blizzard are absolute *masters* of squandering potential nowadays.

[@JunkMysterion]

So you're saying you wouldn't get angry when you are promised something and wait years for it, and then get told "I lied bitch". Good for you I guess.

[@Fosten12]

@@kelsormjaquan gaming is a passion and an art form. It's normal to have these reactions. What are we supposed to do? Just not care about anything?

[@ajgameguy3674]

​@@kelsormjaquanJesus, aggressive much? Dude just said he didn't like having something he paid for get messed with/removed.

[@CJtheCorpse]

​@@kelsormjaquan this is completely idiotic and utterly insane

[@emergency.jergens]

You hit 99% of everything that happened. I’m shocked you managed to capture everything from the past few years. What an amazing summary. I love this

[@DetectiveEmaSkye]

Um.. how? Everyone and their mother captured everything from the past 4 years a million times

[@emergency.jergens]

@@DetectiveEmaSkye 🆗

[@B3Rand0m]

This is very well made. Thank you for voicing your thoughts as it aligns with so many of us who have been mislead and disappointed.

[@silvamlon]

I'm glad you liked the video!!

[@ChronicConundrum]

You forgot about what they really put their work into for those 3 years! The store, battle pass, and psychologists to make micro-transactions as predatory as possible

[@arturoehr]

Sadly every publisher nowadays just focus all the work on micro transactions and call it a day. No wonder why a lot of games are dying quicker than ever

[@ChronicConundrum]

@@arturoehr Not BG3 or Elden Ring : )

[@KingBLUCK]

​@@ChronicConundrumI'mma give you head for that

[@hajimehinata5854]

​@@ChronicConundrumCuz those are actual games

[@Mini5hrek]

@@ChronicConundrumyeah cause elden ring isn’t a pvp game

[@sorastereo7197]

without a doubt Jeff is the only individual that kept ow alive. He cared because his entire reputation revolved around the playerbase. He read what players wanted and delivered time and time again. There were 1 or 2 controversial launches under him but were quickly fixed. Overall OW1 was a success and a truly amazing experince. It's not asinine to think 1 person can keep an entire game together. Sakurai does it every time with smash brothers. OW2 hasn't felt amazing to me, just a clone. jeff did the big brain move of leaving, I think he knew what was coming and he couldn't convince others that the decision they were making was terrible. OW2 can be fun, but it required much more work from the players than the actual programers, and that is not how a game should be.

[@heic0n]

When brig get launched how many time past before the goat was deleted by the role queu

[@heic0n]

But yes ow still good after the role queu and a bit better in comp

[@ninja666gaming]

nah L take overwatch would have failed with or without jeff it was just a question of whether or not jeff wanted to go down with the ship

[@ldalexandrite]

@@ninja666gaming the literal Overwatch Team that used to work at Blizzard said Jeff Kaplan was the one who shielded the team from the higher-ups’ bullshit and he was the reason why the team managed to have a positive work environmeny overall. Their own words. Like sure, OW2 was destined to fail regardless of Kaplan, because of the horrible management on Blizzard’s end. But denying that Jeff Kaplan had a huge positive effect on the game would be undermining his work and disrespecting his efforts.

[@UncleJemima]

assuming that Jeff sticks around in some capacity as a game developer, I'd love to see what he's cooking up next

[@themainguy5241]

The biggest spit in the face was taking Overwatch 1 offline. Even though they had pretty much abandoned it in the last couple years of its lifetime I was having so much fun playing it with my brother. We loved playing it together and would play every week. We haven't touched overwatch 2 in almost 5 months now, and frankly I don't see any reason to ever return

[@El.fish.the.chocolate]

You both should tries SCP sl

[@paulonetto9652]

They had to take down OW1 because it's the same game. They had to take down to push the idea that OW2 supposedly was a new thing.

[@Jackaxed]

Wait, so, question: if you owned OVW1 on a disc or something, is it just like a sad singleplayer(?) game with no multiplayer support now?

[@paulonetto9652]

@@Jackaxed It was never possible to play offline, you had to connect to the server before playing the game. Overwatch 1 doesn't exist anymore, it received a patch and was updated to OW2. So if you owned it, or had installed, the first thing it'll do when you connect to the server will be downloading a big update patch that will transform it into OW2.

[@liahnotleah]

​@@Jackaxedoverwatch 1 was just overwritten with overwatch 2. Everyone who had the disk version would just be forced to update it and all the original data on the disk was written over with new data. So there is literally NO way to play the original game (as of right now). There are no torrents available, no OG hardcopies being sold on Ebay for $500, no untouched accounts that "weren't updated yet". Nothing. It is 100% impossible to play OW1. Someone would have to illegally create the game from scratch in order to "get the game back".

[@nytey540]

the group finder option being removed was honestly very upsetting for me. none of my friends play overwatch that much anymore so that tool always allowed me to find some people to play with. now playing overwatch 2 it feels very sad and lonely

[@shaneh3109]

Loot boxes in overwatch 1 actually felt very fair. I understand taking out the ability to buy them, but they shouldn't have been removed for leveling up.

[@KumiChan2004]

Even more when it lessened your chances of getting duplicates. You still could but they made it so that happened less often.

[@ashurad_fox5991]

Lootboxes in OW1 may be a grey predatory mechanic that game companies use nowadays, but yeah I can totally agree that it is much more fair. (It doesn't gatelock people from heroes, only cosmetics are there... you don't need to pay, it only need some of your time and you could get back to grinding anytime) And in other games with this mechanic, they give you exp or gold boosters to get skins or items you wanted. (might still take a while to get what you wanted, but they are pretty generous especially on events that it doesn't matter) Then OW2 came with a black predatory mechanic, gatelocking people (every new past OW2 heroes you must do 6 training challenge, and win 35 times on that hero class, and lvl 45 on the BP for the current new hero), If you pay you still have to grind for it (seriously 10k exp for 1 level in battlepass? 2-15 matches are needed depending if you have dailies or not), and if you don't pay.... It doesn't have a respect for your time and always wants you to put hours in to hopefully get what you wanted... But it's system gives you a drop in bucket for rewards (and you can't even use it for the majority of items) OW2 is a joke, I'd rather spend my money worthwhile games at this point. Heck I think even gacha games looks much more fair with their character pulls than OW2's "reward" system

[@ulrichwarthen]

Getting them from leveling up was another incentive for people to play the game

[@denzellizasuain563]

It wasn't bad because you bought the game. It would've killed OW1 if it was extremely predatory like it was with EA (just look at why they were banned in the first place) however seeing how greedy they are now with those prices you can't stop and think they put the old loot box mechanics In OW2

[@riceyboi7069]

They had to trade it out for a new system with the BP cause the game was becoming free. Miss them tho.

[@coolbrotherf127]

Yeah, Overwatch 2 took everything good about Overwatch 1 and turned into a cash grab scam. Blizzard did the same thing with Diablo 4. Every game they make now are just scams. I'll never play another Blizzard game ever again. Sucks because their games used to be amazing, but the people who made those games have either left or died years ago. One of the old Warcraft Devs that left said himself than Blizzard is a dead company being controlled by Activision at this point.

[@silvamlon]

never really caught up with diablo 4, but if thats true then blizzard really is done at this point, I wonder what it would have been like if the activision blizzard fusion never went through...

[@coolbrotherf127]

@@silvamlon It's hard so say, but it's very clear that under Activision that they operate under a profits first design and are not above using false promises and manipulation to do so. Diablo 4 has a ton of manipulative designs intentionally there to force players to spend more time and money in game. I would like to assume that they wouldn't be doing such underhanded tactics outside the influence of Activision but who knows. They could easily be using Activision as a scapegoat for their greedy decisions.

[@Doop2314]

how is a free game a cash grab?

[@blimp9741]

@@Doop2314 did you not watch the video?

[@BobOrKlaus]

​@@Doop2314man instantly paused the video and went straight to hating the comments

[@CoolStoryCanYouRepeatThat]

Love it when games are so detail oriented and thoughtful. They didn’t let you make smurfs because they were going to smurf for you.

[@---mm4ic]

Back in season 3, i made a smurf account, because my main was hardstuck gold. Ended up in high diamond/master. So by blizzard removing smurf accounts, i would actually end up smurfing with my main account. GG, blizzard

[@uria3679]

Once the world sees the country the size of Texas defeat a global superpower, it will motivate everyone to fight against corruption and greed And once that happens, we will take over companies like Blizzard and make gaming what it used to be

[@triparadox.c]

​@---mm4ic I don't know why you were saying that, but it's clearly an exception situation. The bigger picture is people in diamond going to bronze or what not to steamroller and giggles. Also, it's expected for anyone to improve as you continue playing. The smurf problem is exactly there even in your case. You just didn't or haven't repeatedly reset to a new account, which is something a smurfer does.

[@foenem6003]

@@---mm4ic ow2 inflation is what let u be dia masters. gold player in ow1 making a smurf would still be terrible and gold/plat. worst part about ow2 is they let anyone hit gm/top 500 with this disgusting ranked system

[@rail5575]

i just realized this video has its segments divided into the five stages of grief, fucking brilliant

[@glu2466]

In the words of a wise man “if you give money to blizzard you deserve a bad game”

[@alexanderh2715]

Yeah people act surprised but that's exactly how blizzard underdelivered for years in world of warcraft. Old blizzard is dead.

[@ceddavis7441]

Keep hearing from insiders, that blizzard sucks, conclusion, blizzard sucks. In all seriousness, blizzard made a huge mistake of putting a money maker as the lead game designer instead of someone qualified. The issue is of course is the simple fact you just can't lead a horse to water if you have no damn clue where it is. It really sucks to hear how this affects programmers.

[@carsonferg]

It really is sad, as a tf2 player, when you take a step back and look at both games, it’s especially sad knowing that both games have been essentially abandoned by the developers except for them stopping by about 3 times a year to try and squeeze out some more money from their players. It is nice to see that tf2 is getting some more communication from valve, but i feel so bad for my friends who were so hyped for ow2 and completely let down. I dont want either game to fail, but this kind of stuff is unacceptable.

[@djtrac3r935]

I agree, I am a diehard fan of both TF2 and OW. But lately, it’s coming to the point I am finding very few reasons to play Overwatch or TF2 anymore. The content feels predatory and like an elaborate scheme to squeeze money out of people who were hopeful of the game. I can definitely say that if Activision doesn’t cut this “profit first” bullshit, I am going to quit Overwatch altogether, cold turkey. I started playing in 2018 and this game was one of my favorite games ever. To then be treated like shit as a consumer who bought the game, bought merchandise, spent countless hours playing the game, to see it all then go from “we care about our players” to “blah blah blah, empty promises empty promises, now give me 20 bucks dumbass” makes me feel betrayed.

[@weed884]

seal

[@momiji_number1daughterwife]

@@weed884 this guy gets it

[@MasterLPG]

@@djtrac3r935 I have to wonder what John 'TotalBiscuit' Bain would make of all this, seeing how he advocated for the lootbox model that they used, which was understandable at the time considering how rare their more generous approach to the monetization model was back then? *Gone too soon though...*

[@linklickz]

try being a gw2 fan

[@zaggyzombie]

This was actually an insanely well edited and put together video. I think a sentiment that a decent amount of the playerbase can agree on is that the content we are getting isnt even bad, but its not what we were promised, so it comes off as mundane. This was the only season i bought the battlepass for and i can say with 100% certainty, that i regret that purchase. The only thing keeping me around is the workshop that i'll dabble in time to time. Other games have just had more to offer, and in a manner in which i will happily spend my money on. I would rather spend $100 on Rust skins and DLC's over $15 for anymore missions, because i know that the game will have more to offer me in the long run. Whether that be just a fun time sync, or actually making a few friends randomly while playing that i will continue to play with. I think unless something big changes Overwatch will slowly fall out of the mainstream, and hopefully the game that replaces it will be much better.

[@silvamlon]

you just described my exact feelings with this game, Overwatch doesn't really offer anything of worth anymore, so putting unfinished content behind a paywall only serves to encourage their already disappointed playerbase to... not play the game lol I'm glad you enjoyed the vid zaggy, more are coming in the future!

[@TamWam_]

I really want a game as fun as Overwatch was to me. I was actually a new player and started on ow2, but i found it to be one of the best, most fun games... until, the news came out, and i learned about the past four years. I wish I hadn't missed Overwatch's golden moment. I've known overwatch for years but never thought of playing it until 2022, after Ow2 released... and i can't find a game that can replace this, no matter what i play, overwatch was one of my best experiences. Valorant, CSGO, any other fps shooter... so now im stuck with nothing :/

[@zaggyzombie]

@@TamWam_ - Yeah it sucks really bad. But if you still really like it then keep playing it, but talk with your wallet. The game will never change if we allow the monetization they are using to work. The Apex community has been doing this for awhile for their heirloom stuff. The money they get for bad practices is only the amount we give them, and every penny counts for bad corpo.

[@Ghazter134]

I would make a tf2 2 joke, but after watching this I feel it’s not right. This community has been through a lot and I respect that. Amazing video.

[@jackobot2548]

That is the spirit you magnifcent bilbobagts

[@alphayakee2693]

Yea im from tf2 community, and after seeing this, im so confused and mad at the same time by Blizzard's action, unlike valve, who abandon the game and let the community keep tf2 alive to these day is still better than Developers destroy their own game

[@BMXaster]

*Soldier hearing about the death of OW*: "You were loud and ugly, and now you're DEAD! Amen."

[@DrakoRaptor]

​​@@alphayakee2693fr tho, that's what I've been thinking the devs abandoning their game is a better move rather than them killing their own game (I'm not saying valve leaving tf2 is a great idea but ye get what I'm sayin)

[@yuricock]

as a tf2 fan we shouldnt make fun of overwatch being treated like this. it could happen to us too

[@youdontneedmyrealname]

We all miss Jeff. NO ONE can replace him and the people that actually loved making games. Blizzard just makes glorified casinos now. Death to the company. Down with Bobby! 🔥☠️🔥

[@argusy3866]

Jeff was an asshole, the dude is resposable for OW1 being a total unbalanced mess. Dont miss that guy one bit. Everytime a new "nerf everybody" video showed up, I wanted to punch his stupid face. Glad he left

[@razorback9999able]

Down with Bobby, Wilson, Iger, and all others like them!

[@guillermoguerrajr.9607]

👏

[@Bestow3000]

Cut the rose tinted crap. Jeff isn't exactly making the game any better after a while. He's reached his peak and fell off.

[@TheDualHero15]

​@@Bestow3000I was about to say this. In 2:00 the video even says how Jeff completely dropped the ball until actbliz decided to pull the trigger on ow2.

[@somenerdpng]

3.1k Views? Here before this whole video blows up, good to see there’s still people out there who actively show that you can care about a game, and fight for it being better, even if you criticise it and acknowledge the bad that’s been done and how bad it actually is. You are insanely underrated man, looking forward to seeing you rise.

[@silvamlon]

thanks! sadly i dont know if this vid will blow up, in the latest hours the yt algorythm hasnt been very kind.....

[@somenerdpng]

@@silvamlon well I hope it does and will be spreading this as much as I can

[@rejected260]

@@silvamlon u sure?

[@gloomythyme]

@@silvamlon I mean yeah the algorithm can be kinda weird sometimes but this video is super good! I really enjoy your editing style as well, hope to see you more in the future!

[@michaelkroutil980]

@@silvamlon 4 days and 140k views I think the algorithm was kind :D

[@firmlygraspi1]

The question was "how did they scam their entire playerbase without getting purged and blacklisted from the industry?" and the answer is "the scam worked."

[@locodesert2]

I remember being extremely concerned for the game the milisecond it was announced to be free to play.

[@FirstLast-bv9tm]

I remember hearing that the pvp was gonna release before the pve and immediately realized that pve will never happen. That they were just gonna hype people up and then not deliver. Like they’ve done countless times before, I still don’t know how people keep falling for it

[@jennyxie5382]

Me too! But for me its not a 100% feel, but War3 reforged gave me a bad feeling about it

[@matt2000basil]

False Hope is a powerful drug.😞

[@Firefox-eg3no]

Got to love the 'removed' on fire system They removed it so hard you could still hear the voice lines for it (meaning they most likely didn't remove it but hid it for no good reason) and even for the new heros as well :)

[@bokunogentoo4420]

@@drpotatosalad5041 I'm surprised not that many people called them out on that. Everyone kept saying it wasn't actually removed back when it was voices only, and then they announced it coming back as a feature but I guess by that point there was so much bullshit going on that there were too many things to get mad about besides the somewhat false advertising.

[@summ.3433]

To this day I'll never understand why they removed it in the first place.

[@JeloOW]

@@bokunogentoo4420 a lot of people did but theres no point in complaining about something for so long, its still pretty much the same game lol

[@NetSraC1306]

@@drpotatosalad5041 lmao they did the same thing in HotS for a while. On fire system was in for years, then they suddenly remove it and put it back like a year later

[@Freshest_Fisch]

I appreciate DRG being shown at the end there as "a game made with love" because I think anyone who has put any amount of time into that game can just feel how much the devs actually care about making a good, fun game. OW was (mostly) good while it lasted, but it's time to put it to rest

[@thesidewolf8502]

ROCK AND STONE??

[@thepolishdestroyeroprpioru9164]

​@@thesidewolf8502did i hear a rock and stone

[@matheusferraz18]

ROCK AND STONE!

[@Sketteh]

ROCK N STONE!

[@kenttg3262]

Rock and Stone!

[@Raz-G]

Devs in the past "how can we make this fun?" Devs today "how can we make money off of this?"

[@cyanidenightshade]

Devs in the early 80s: how can we milk this? Video game industry: *crashes*

[@101Volts]

​@@cyanidenightshade Ah yes, *shovelware.* Atari 2600 has it... Both "I Want My Mommy" and also the porn games probably qualify.

[@YungSover]

Tbh, its mostly the investors that want short term profits, most devs are paid standard wages and dont gain anything from making the game p2w anyways

[@JoeYaPookie1818]

it’s always been about the money.

[@shadowseek27]

​@@JoeYaPookie1818ban money

[@elimayer193]

deserves more views

[@silvamlon]

thanks fella I appreciate your support

[@violetk2020]

Hi. I'm one of the new views that was deserved

[@elimayer193]

@@violetk2020 :)

[@Koicarp210]

I WAS SO SHURE YOU WERE SOME FAMOUS YOUTOUBER HOW DO

[@jacobsotorios8886]

Hell no, steam reviews does not define popularity or liability

[@Paragon._.]

I had a friend since kindergarten who loves Overwatch since it’s released and me being a TF2 player. We would joke about the rivalry and how great our games were but after some time, she never spoke or post anything about Overwatch after the “sequel” was released and has since abandoned it and felt sad about OW’s current state. We competed as friends and foes of two different games, but this isn’t a victory for me or TF2 when the competition is killing itself

[@honiahakaa]

Lol kids

[@ryansherby5678]

@@honiahakaaWhat?

[@SECONDQUEST]

​@@ryansherby5678he thinks they're 12

[@SECONDQUEST]

I never thought tf2 competed with overwatch. The game was "dead" by then. I quit playing after the demoman got instant kills with the sword and shield. Nowhere the same game I bought with orange box

[@Paragon._.]

@@SECONDQUEST we got more hats and crates though.

[@theferryman4293]

Overwatch 2 players: “let me guess your home?” Overwatch 1 players: “yes and it was beautiful”

[@victoriavanderlinden6691]

guess my home?

[@sammybutler3027]

@@victoriavanderlinden6691 kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4aQZqObbp13ra8

[@djtrac3r935]

I understood that reference

[@PLASBEZ]

TF2 Players: Mustve been the wind

[@Bombman297]

Blizzard became one of those companies that went from chasing dreams to chasing trends.

[@Aarclannius2021]

I actually miss OG overwatch, back in 2016-2019 were some of the most fun gaming times with my friends in overwatch ive had. Sad that this game is being ruined because of corporate greed.

[@getpape4126]

And laziness. Only 2 trash support characters this whole year it’s a joke. And their character design is shit and is worse quality than every other hero before. They look like bad fan made heros.

[@justXsmokeXtrees]

Whats more heartbreaking is people actually buying the invasion missions and saying its okay. Why even support a half done game mode?

[@Sesh23]

My friend is such a whale and he bought the pack. His words summed it all up. “I’m gonna buy what I want. Nothing is gonna change if I stop spending money on them” That’s exactly what these consumers tell themselves. And it really is pathetic.

[@arvin6951]

@@Sesh23 thats when you tell him, "well if you invest into shit, don't expect the toilet(blizzard) to give you something good in return." And go play a good PvE experience like Armored Core VI

[@IronHorse1854]

@@Sesh23 People like your friend are ruining games. If people didn't buy this crap it wouldn't exist. It only exists because it sells. I do not buy any game that has any form of microtransaction anymore, haven't for years, I also don't pre-order since there's literally no point at all to that anymore, steam is not going to run out of copies on day one like the brick and mortar shops of old. People who buy microtransactions should be ruthlessly mocked for their idiotic spending and the damage they do to games for the rest of us. There's so many great independant games out there these days that you can always find something better to play than any wallet sucking microtransaction infested triple A game, I've never felt like I've missed out on anything worthwhile for refusing to give these companies a cent. I miss the days when cosmetics were earned through gameplay, and having a cool helmet or whatever meant you'd done some difficult achievement in the game, not an indication that you're a whale.

[@noiselatrine9862]

Sunken cost syndrome

[@Sesh23]

@@IronHorse1854 agreed. I hardly even touch Overwatch anymore but I’ll be damned if I give them a cent

[@kanomoro6433]

For a while, I used to play Overwatch on the PS4 when it first came out and I had an absolute blast with it, making so many plays and memories with the game, it really makes me sad to see this game become the way it was, but the memories will hold a place in my heart

[@LOUDMOUTHTYRONE]

Had a similar experience too.

[@God-Almighty]

​@@LOUDMOUTHTYRONEsame wat rank u get

[@retroradiationkingofvideog8526]

Same and I even posted videos about it too

[@comicalcosmonaut959]

It still hits me with a wave of sadness and anger and disappointment everytime I see the blizzard stream where they announce the PVE's cancellation

[@rpgnerd7610]

As Tf2 player, it so nice to see both communities join forces and hate on the company and the game. It warms the heart.

[@daxxgaming2567]

As a person who never touched both games....its nicer to see both die lol

[@JunkMysterion]

@@daxxgaming2567 Sad part for you is that only Overwatch is dead.

[@daxxgaming2567]

@@JunkMysterion tf2 is dead yall delusional kinks are only prolonging the inevitable lol

[@945ko3]

​@@daxxgaming2567100k active players in question:

[@purplefire8081]

​@@daxxgaming2567 *tf2 casually getting its highest player peak with 253,225 players this summer*

[@-Raylight]

A certain soldier : *"Good news! We're not going to die, we're going to live forever!"* Blizzard : *"I didn't say that! I just say we're not going to pull the plug"*

[@Wakabatan]

Sad 😔

[@zomg7841]

i was actually watching the livestream where they announced the cancellation of pve, but somehow got distracted during the exact moment, and only noticed something was up when everyone suddenly became very angry very nice summary of the events leading up to this mess

[@silvamlon]

thanks zomg, sorry for mentioning the workshop on this vid only once

[@Lilobot]

@@silvamlon No problem m8

[@Montesama314]

"Oh, hey, guys, I'm back from the store--WHY IS THE HOUSE ON FIRE!?"

[@davidgabrieltaylor]

One thing you missed that i wish you included is that when there was a bug between mei and kiriko they decided to remove mei and keep kiriko because it was the season that she had released in or because she had a mythic skin. (I can't remember) So instead of removing kiriko and affecting their bottom line and battle pass mei had to go. But they still wanted you to pay money for the mei skin the same day she was removed... That you couldn't use.

[@davidgabrieltaylor]

After having watched the last few minutes, ill add you ignored the fact that they gave supports like 200 consecutive nerfs and then locked half the bp xp behind playing supports forcing players to play these garbage sacks. You also missed the part where not just the higher ups but the entire ow2 team from bottom to top lied to the community for 18 months about pve whilst selling bp, cosmetics, tokens, watchpoint packs, and more. They directly profited from the lie and knew they did it. After the news hit they forced players to esign away their right to sue them in a class action lawsuit for doing this. It came in the form of an updated EULA but it was more than that. Im the only one who read the damn thing cuz no one else even brought this up.

[@amsleeper1731]

What got me into Overwatch was the gameplay, the interesting lore, the different play styles the characters brought to players, the love they put into every part of their character designs, skins, and locations, the minute lore integrations in the interactions between characters, and a lot more I could go on about. I honestly feel really sad and frustrated with how they managed to ruin it. It wont ever be the same as it once was.

[@getpape4126]

Yup and the 2 new supports they added this year have shit character design that is not on the same level of quality as every hero before

[@PaladinMika]

what got me into overwatch was graphics, borderlands are my favorite games and I'm a comic book enjoyer. what made me stay up until the end of it were the friends I picked up along the way. sad that the game is dead and I don't hear from friends anymore.

[@travisalexphoto]

"The Fall of OW2" implies it was ever in a place of grace in the first place. I feel like this video should be named "The Inevitable and Unavoidable End of Overwatch". It's probably one of the biggest and loudest falls from grace in gaming history, which is massive shame given OW1 was incredible for so so long. I'll always remember the better times.

[@darkithnamgedrf9495]

But it wasn’t inevitable or unavoidable, blizzard just dropped the bag big time.

[@Kongerice]

Wait until starcitizen takes the throne

[@justyahz796]

you literally contradict yourself in this one paragraph

[@zzthedon4k]

you say the game was never in a place of grace and then in the NEXT SENTENCE, that OW1 was incredible for so so long. retarded comment but I agree with the sentiment

[@darkithnamgedrf9495]

@@zzthedon4k idiot, they are taking about OW2

[@joeshmoe735]

The problem is A. the devs had good plans, indentions and ideas but finances wanted to make cash instead of a game B. It was always overwelmingly negative there was just no outlet for people to post for overwatch 2 until steam.

[@silvamlon]

true, honestly the game isnt even that bad, but they underdelivered on what they promised so much, and stole so much money that at this point i dont even enjoy playing this game anymore

[@joeshmoe735]

@@silvamlon I enjoy playing the game still because breaking people's ankles on illios lighthouse point only to punch 3 people off is the only thing that gives me dopamine

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

The devs that had good plans, indentions and ideas are gone, the ones we got are new devs who have no idea about the game, let alone balance it.

[@cesar6447]

@@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad not to say they are busing harrasing women

[@branm5459]

“Capitalism” almost a textbook case

[@newden-dinimation7120]

As a TF2 fan im surprised that this ambitious project didn't manage to outlive Team Fortress 2, practically we share somewhat same fate: Abandoned by developers and yet still trying to enjoy the game by playing main gamemodes Btw it's already 11 years since our PVE got added, *11 GODDAMN YEARS* and yet i feel like it was only 3 years ago

[@DakkaScrappa]

and recently finally have the last comic in tf2

[@auramint]

I love mvm :)

[@bigj1905]

“TF2 was able to make PvE in a cave! With a box of scraps!” - A Angry Blizzard Fan

[@lovemykiss9]

“Well I’m sorry but I’m not TF2” - Blizzard.

[@vanderlin4966]

I really miss this game man. Super nostalgic about this game still, its wild. Just so sad to see an amazing game fall so, so hard. 2016-2019 era of OW was some of the best times in my gaming life with so many friends, duos, and a collegiate team. Goodbye Overwatch, burn!

[@ERROR-CitationNeeded]

I remember several times I had quit just to be lulled back by something I still can't really explain, all the way up until what I ironically found out to be the very last day OW1 was still online. I don't feel that draw at all anymore, I don't just spontaneously start thinking about positioning and reworks like I used to, I don't have flashbacks of hype moments or the craving for more, and having been there from season 4 all the way until the end makes me feel the same way as having only owned the first three halos and later finding out that, besides reach and ODST, the later titles were underwhelming anyway. To me, Master Chief had his swan song on that ship, and so did I on that last game of volskaya. Unfortunately I still stuck with OW2 until flashpoint came out and I realized the devs, as much as it seemed like they didn't care before, were literally just copying things they thought were cool about other games, as well as the PVE feeling like highway robbery (thankfully I let go of my refusal to spoil anything on a hunch it might be a ripoff, how right I wish I wasn't...)

[@wile123456]

Meanwhile MvM in TF2 was a massive hit and still a favourite game mode for many of the players

[@silvamlon]

I never tried MvM, but I might make a video on it sometime in the future...

[@BlackmaskedmanYT]

if you pay MVM for 1 dollar, you can get items,weapons and hats(I am sure), but most importantly, a golden weapons called australiums that you can sell it for 60+ dollars. I was an ow player too and I started playing TF2 and paladins. And I can Tell that MVM is really good!

[@wile123456]

@@BlackmaskedmanYT yea you can buy the tickets on sale to get items but only the auatralium are worth anything and it's a 3% chance so better than lootbox unusuals but not by much. But you can enjoy the mode completely free if you don't care about cosmetic drops and that's what matters.

[@Trulman03]

Yeah yeah. "TF2 good, OW2 bad"

[@Bro1212_]

Also in the other TF2 (titanfall 2) it had a single player campaign that was amazing and it had a great Co-oP PvE called frontier defense which I spent many hours on. If both TF2’s (which were primarily multiplayer pvp games) can make good pve, blizzard can too.

[@defectivedimensions4369]

3:35 LOL, Loki from Marvel Rivals is essentially Echo, the only difference is that he's actually FUN to play as. 😆😝

[@Zucc_The_Cyborg_Duck]

this is an incredible video. Every aspect of it is 10/10. The editing, the commentary, and the overall aura oozing out of this is just something i hope to one day get to.

[@dan_noo]

the way we know why Kaplan left without him saying why he left is really amazing, Blizzard new era at it peaks

[@pinoyboy3552]

actual perfect representation on how I, and most definitely most of the player base, feel about the state of this game. awesome video!

[@rantmachine123]

2016-2018 Overwatch was truly something special and held great value. You had to be there to understand the significance of just how special it was. Completely unique and so engaging with one of the best communities of any triple A title at the time. I remember laying in bed in my college room on my trash 720p 35 inch TV and PS4 grinding ranked all night after studying. I still get snapchat memories come up from years ago of crazy play of the games i recorded on my phone. Mcree pop offs and wild reaper ults. It really was such a special game compared to generic titles of the time. So very much potential and now its dead. Its really quite sad.

[@zachalicious1]

I’m the guy at 0:24 lol

[@Dljrh]

Huge fan of your content man kinda blows he didn’t give you credit

[@CaptainMangles]

that's awesome

[@OscarMemo333]

and? you are just a weak/meh streamer XD

[@Dljrh]

@@tarantulatar1410 for his video clip no need to insult like that

[@tennesseesunlight]

👍

[@BlueShellshock]

5:50 "You think 5v5 is the solution? How about you balance your game, next time?" I kinda agree with this one. Classes should have strengths and weaknesses, but should ultimately not be 'better' than others, just better in specific situations. Barrier meta was a problem, but tanks weren't -- no one was running 4-5 tanks, or 4-5 supports, those roles weren't "better" than DPS. If anything, you had more options when you could have 1 support, or 2, or 3, or 2 tanks, and you can flex what a comp does. 1 tank restriction just seems dumb - if you needed a tank and someone picks Roadhog, you still needed a tank, a non-issue when you can have as many tanks as you want, but a problem when the game is contrived to only allow a single tank.

[@alecneal8335]

Not only that, but when they did this they deleted 1/6th of the overwatch league which took so much to set up

[@CJtheCorpse]

They literally had to add role queue because tanks were better than the other classes

[@Bigmoosemanswiggan]

say what you will about valve neglecting TF2, but just remember that active dev teams can kill as much as they create

[@mapleflag6518]

Yeah plus I’d say the TF2 fanbase has been overly dramatic at times lately.

[@gerwaltspodnovigradu5508]

​@@mapleflag6518that's what having only one dev that is janitor does to ya

[@frankthepug9242]

My cosmetics ended up in the rare instance where the coin lands on neither heads or tails but on its side. Most of my cosmetics were there but a select few (mostly the ones that had come with the edition of the game I bought) were gone. It was a very weird situation.

[@leonssmelledy]

i lost all 4 years of xbox overwatch progress when overwatch 2 happened

[@dex0ffici4l]

How does this video not have like 500k views, everything said is so accurate and I think projects pretty much everyones opinions of ow2, lets just hope the youtube algorithm does its magic and makes this popular!

[@silvamlon]

thanks! I'm also really hoping this blows up, if some popular streamer reacted to it it would be the cheery on top

[@aleksanderzaremba9695]

Yeah, that was top tier overwatch content

[@xaan7458]

Bc it's literally the same points we have been saying regurgitated with no personality, that's why it doesn't have x amount of views

[@dejanbeep6293]

Cause bro "only" has less then 2k subs so less people get notified. Honestly this video alone will massively boosting the channel

[@iC3xNinja]

You put everything into words and described everything perfectly! Blizzard dropped the bag hard

[@sytherwusky]

when their not sexually abusing their workers that is

[@KraylebStudios]

​@@sytherwuskyThey were focussing to much on that than the actual game

[@sytherwusky]

@@KraylebStudios as in salvage what little reputation they have left?

[@derekstonez299]

This is one of the most well edited videos I've seen in a long while. Didn't even intend to watch this whole thing but I'm glad I did. Great work man

[@thoopsy]

This was an interesting video for me, because most of my friends were casual Overwatch players. When OW1 went offline and skins weren't properly transferring, they all stopped playing altogether. I can't believe it got worse.

[@artis8266]

It's always fun to be amongst the viewers who watch a channel before it becomes big. The quality of work and passion put into this video is reminiscent of big channel beginnings. Keep up the quality work and passion. Best wishes on the youtube career.

[@ExpanderDJ]

The whole minute between 15:00 - 16:00 is absolutely devastating. It hurts to watch every time and I'm not sure if it will ever pass.

[@mika-yy7gk]

goofy ahh people 💀

[@bambampewpew32]

@@mika-yy7gk schizo ahh skull emoji

[@Eric-cu3mw]

this video is so well made, the music the edits, and most importantly, the message. I'm so sad that the game has come to this, I've been playing it for years and I always enjoyed it, but seeing its downfall hurts so much, I want to see this game succeed and thrive, maybe one day.

[@TheMooseFromTheRoom]

Sadly it wont, with the way that Blizzard are running their company and their game(s) into the ground. Monetazation > content/good game

[@rail5575]

most criminally underrated channel in existence, this type of quality is beyond others that have millions of subs

[@TheScruffySkull]

The editing in this video is top notch! So much thought put into every frame. Transitions and effects that aren't distracting or intrusive to the viewing experience. The audio balancing is easy on the ears. Gives a lot of information at once yet still makes it easy to follow. The commentary flows seemlessly with everything happening on screen. The amount of effort that usually gets taken for granted and some channels with much higher sub counts go the quantity over quality route, which there's nothing inherently wrong with that. Many kudos to your highly enjoyable to watch edits. Fantastic video!

[@christopherdessources]

The audio sounds weird what are you talking about? Editing is great but you can compare the audio quality difference when he uses audio from other streamers.

[@MagicalBread]

The audio hurts my ears.

[@dycedargselderbrother5353]

It's so dense. Every single frame has so many things going on.

[@abhishekmk7768]

Having no friends for the most part of my life.I found my friend group in this game. And i enjoyed this game so much. Its a shame things turned out this way

[@Gojira-ii4ru]

I hope you still got those friends with you.

[@rchaelk2319]

​@@Gojira-ii4ruit would be funny if not

[@filipkl5982]

as a person who has been playing Overwatch since the very beginning, I can say that I am terribly disappointed by so many things that were promised and not fulfilled. there are more microtransactions in the game than content. it's not what it used to be. Good old overwatch 1

[@getpape4126]

Only 2 trash support characters this whole year it’s a joke. And their character design is shit and is worse quality than every other hero before. They look like bad fan made heros.

[@PlumpMommyKali]

i feel sad for the one guy who worked so hard to literally be the best the amount of hours he clocked in that in the end Overwatch made levels just so HE COULD PROGRESS

[@popjumpy]

The worst part is that Overwatch 1 is no longer playable, so we can't go back

[@huntresskira]

this is such a well edited video. as a person who does not really mess with ow2, i still felt the abandonment. 10/10 blizzard is like my dad who promised to buy milk many years ago and then never returned. also your effort, edits and research in this video deserve more subscribers! Hope to see your channel grow.

[@dusanbursac5012]

As a Warframe player hearing SOON is the most terrifying thing to hear for Warframe community. It has become such a meme that DE actually started giving us dates when they are releasing stuff. So yeah Blizzard saying soon doesn't sound so reassuring.

[@Rat_Fบcker]

It's not just soon it's SOON PRIMED

[@aifrmedia]

Man... your editing is on a different level. You've truly inspired me.

[@aursunao2817]

As a vetran and a true fan of the overwatch universe . I still remmeber how i saved up to get the first game and how i loved it but this truly breaks my heart and hurts me Edit: holy cow thanks for the likes guys.

[@shinjireference3568]

I remember pre ordering the game after i played the beta, I had a lot of fun times with the game. But sometimes you gotta learn to let go, genuinely fuck the game and blizzard. They deserve every bit of hate they’re getting right now.

[@ggslushy]

When I got my birthday money in 2017 I was excited beyond excited to buy this game and finally play it. I played it so much in the first year that I used my allounce money to buy the game for my 2 friends and we were having the blast of my entire life in OW1... It's so good looking back at all the happy memories I got from playing the game. But ow2 is just the most disappointing and the entire opposite side of what I was feeling in 2018-19 playing ow1 with my friends.

[@aursunao2817]

Ah friends I wish u all the best and it's a shame that something we loved getting destroyed infront of us

[@redmadness265]

One of my most favorite games ever, being milked dry by greed. Such an engaging style of game had me hooked for years. It despairs me to see it dying. #saveow2

[@Dkrule1]

I mean, #savetf2 barely worked but it's working now because the company wasn't a true sell out corpse of a puppet Blizzard is activion, saveow2 isn't going to happen my friend, do yourself a favour and un-copium yourself

[@OiMitch]

Let it die. It's gone.

[@redmadness265]

@@Dkrule1 Why give up? We at least have a chance. Let's take it

[@Jonathan-bd6vl]

​@@redmadness265they dont deserve a chance

[@OiMitch]

@redmadness265 you don't have a chance. You think they will delete the battle pass and re-release ow2 as a full game? Won't happen. Games fucked. They killed it. Move on.

[@JuunArtz]

I wanna see this shit blow the fuck up, streamers need to see this, you put amazing effort into this and spoke on so much. I promise this'll get up to a million soon.

[@saydulloxon]

Year 4 since im heard that overwatch is dead, 12.04.2024, queue time is still around 1 minutes

[@VerminSupremeFanPage]

People say overwatch is dead every time there's some big patch. People said this when self-regen was added, people said this when the dps passive was added, people said this after the tank buff recently. "Overwatch is dead" really means "I don't like change" or "they nerfed my main"

[@ERROR-CitationNeeded]

Half the time when I queue in tf2 (right now, in 2024) it is straight up instantaneous

[@miamesa8652]

I like it that you didn't put the blame on the devs, but there's some part of blame that is on them. I worked in the industry, I've kept track of tons of game developments (competitive and live service included) and have been part of a number of others. So I witnessed first hand that it's often a battle between the devs wanting to add quality content, and the higher ups asking how that's going to make money... But that's exactly where the devs are at fault (very partially, but still). I'd say that a good chunk of the devs job is to justify what they add, to fight for what they believe should be done. If management disagrees, then it's their job to try to make things work. Lots of games have proved this is the case, League of Legends for example, goes from greedy to really community focused all the time, and those are mostly due to who's in charge of what. When you get a lead champion designer who spends incredible amounts of time working on the latest champion, making it a labor of love, and spending just as much time making sure it gets added to the game. The game is great, it tends to be far more community focused, the game is suddenly far less greedy as champions release slower than usual but are actually original and high quality. Then you get a lead champion designer who'd rather spend hours arguing on reddit with the community, defending his changes tooth and nail... Suddenly you see a massive drop in quality. Overwatch cinematics never dropped in quality. I'm pretty sure it was a tough battle for the teams for them to justify spending so much effort into a cinematic. But clearly they did it. It's still management's fault for being so greedy, while destroying a franchise... But the devs stood there and watched it burn. I simply refuse to believe they couldn't have fought for the PvE to release, there were a lot of ways to justify it. It'd likely take several, hours long presentation. But that's the kind of thing you're supposed to fight for when you love what you do. "Never accept the world as it appears to be. Always dare to see it for what it could be."

[@anonymousapproximation8549]

That final quote felt like a warning, and a final plea to the playerbase.

[@carved6749]

The Higher ups: when I tell them that quality Content makes more money 😮

[@niqo_tv]

the editing is nice man, i can tell a lot of time was put into it

[@supercoolpanda]

That final part at the end to the game devs really put a smile on my face because they are usually the ones being harassed for the fuck ups made by the higher ups so I’m happy they are getting the recognition they deserve

[@Kkk-pr2bk]

I don't understand people that blame higher ups for incompetent coders. For three years, devs sat there doing absolutely nothing. No exec is dumb enough to say "Okay, so we will promise them PvE, however, DO NOT WORK ON IT, all '2' has to do is just have battlepass instead of lootboxes". I could understand if deadlines were super tight, but 3 years when games like Elden Ring took only 4? That's bullshit. I hate suits very much, because I get treated like a slave by my own higher ups, but blaming them for things they clearly had no idea about and no input is dumb.

[@cadenhenderson4322]

@@Kkk-pr2bk It seems more like a problem of mismanagement. To get into these positions at Blizzard you have to be a talented and hard-working person. There's no reason devs would just spontaneously become lazy. They were probably given mixed goals and had poor direction. It makes sense when you think about both the Overwatch Director leaving and the incredible amount of aspirations they had for the game. The directors and producers probably decided a new gamemode or feature was the "next big thing" every 2 months, when each of these features took way longer to implement. But then again, I'm just speculating.

[@lilowhitney8614]

​@@Kkk-pr2bk Lmao, you clearly never met some of the stupider suits. Sure they may not outright say, don't work on it, but in practice their demands and the resources they give don't allow to produce anything of quality.

[@princesscadance197]

I’d wager the reason the game was killed was because it wasn’t immediately lucrative. I once saw a comment that stated like, Blizzard made the objectively wrong choice. Should they have made the PVE as they promised, they could have had the PVP *and* PVE players eating out of their hands and item shops. But no, end their promises and expect fans to still love them.

[@timoteoseagedetoffol8795]

All TF2 characters seeing Overwatch 2: *Insert combined laugh of all of them*.

[@Orange_lizard_irl]

I really hopped it would live longer, so that overwatch and TF2 players would keep discussing which one was better for a long time, but on the end overwatch just killed itself

[@m0thsssss]

holy shit?? I watched this whole thing and was expected way more than 500 views. deserves so much more ❤️ I appreciate this perspective so much as someone who only started playing in ow2

[@silvamlon]

thanks for the kind words :) i hope you're having fun in ow2 so far, even after all of this, it's core gameplay is still honestly not bad

[@AltairEnzeno]

@@silvamlon WAIT WTF WHY IS YOUR CHANNEL SO SMALL?? subbing rn you do not deserve this few subs with the effort you put in. i expected you to be like emong level big or something.

[@silvamlon]

@@AltairEnzeno thanks for the kind words! hopefully one day i'll be on the same level as those guys...

[@arvinnosraty4562]

man that end song put a sad smile on my face

[@mr.wilson3148]

This was so beautiful thank you, as someone who has been playing OW for years as well it’s a shame to see the state that it’s in but I agree I think it’s time for us all to move on from this chapter in our lives

[@KingJx30]

Agreed. Ow1 was the bomb back in 2016! So many metas including reaper beyblade. But blizz just had to take choice away from players..

[@kenleyreyes]

Overwatch 2 is good the only bad part is we didn't get the full PvE and lootboxes and cards are gone but I personally don't really care about the PvE anyway

[@Winton420]

​@@kenleyreyes I think the people who have this opinion on the game is the reason blizzard don't give a shit. It's not about "I didn't care about the PVE" it's about the lies, the predatory monetization and the general ideology of people being just walking money bags in there minds. I know I'm done with the game, would rather waste my time writing this comment then playing the game

[@kenleyreyes]

@@Winton420 this doesn't mean that the game deserves the shame it gets all just because they didn't deliver the full PvE and skins.

[@malibuhiegts]

I remember when it was released and was like "cool its free" I felt like i was just playing a holiday event of overwatch 1 and just let out a small parp of acceptance and went back to deep rock galactic

[@juanticimo]

I loved OW when it launched and played it religiously for the first 2 years. So glad i never even logged into OW2, not even once. Sadly the lid on the coffin for me was when Jeff K left. I knew it was teh end of the game. Really a tragic and sad ending to an IP that at one time was one of the most fun games I have every played with friends. RIP OW

[@MeepMoop.]

19:23 I love shigechi’s death theme being used here

[@thejuliusnow9754]

The fact that we’ll have to wait at least 6 months to even play the next pve mission. Part of me wishes they made the pve be a bunch of short origin story for the heroes it would’ve added so much to the worldbuilding like idk a reaper mission with blackwatch (also this could’ve been a better way to show what each hero can do and how to use them) but oh well definitely not gonna happen

[@ktrnphl]

i actually cried a little (im emotional ikr) at 16:20 as soon as i realize what my fav game has put me through yeah. waited for 3 years for a bunch of broken promises sounds about right and i dont think that any human alive have done that to me before, such a betrayal tbh and i understand why people are raging the game is not actually this bad but if you love something very much you start to hate it even more after it fails you

[@themanfromutopia4743]

Grow up

[@MrFlipBerry]

@@themanfromutopia4743aye man thats just another gamer trying to sympathize with people in this vid about the fact that their favorite game is pretty much dead. cut some slack for her bro, not on some simp shit but because you already know games aren’t made like they used to be you know? fully fleshed out and all.

[@JawBreaker1.]

Oh please, i lost Battlefield. I started from Bf Bad Company and now BF2042 kills everything. Even my childhood. I lost 5 games and u lost judt 2.

[@edgerslayer]

​@@themanfromutopia4743It's funny because this shows you lack empathy, a very grown up thing to have. TLDR: Shut up.

[@stix3811]

​@@JawBreaker1.instead of comparing, how about you sympathize with a fellow gamer?

[@Max_Casetera]

Nice video, great editing, SUPER underrated channel, and the biggest L blizzard has taken.

[@niceofgames]

The nail in the coffin for me was the monetization. I was one of the people warning everyone about complaining about Overwatch’s loot box system. It wasn’t nearly as bad as everyone assumes but it was dragged into the light because someone (*cough cough* Stars Wars Battlefront 2 *cough*) tried to nickel and dime their consumers with it. Lootboxes in Overwatch we’re actually pretty easy to get. Either level up or win arcade games. That easy, with enough of a gap to keep players playing. But everyone complained, I warned that they would replace it with something worse and was literally told “What could be worse than this?” I was wearing the SMUGGEST look on my face when the battle pass was revealed and it showed heroes behind a paywall as well has skins.

[@sooperdude22]

If you ask me, Blizzard only rushed Overwatch 2 (and in turn replacing Loot Boxes with Battle Passes and the Item Shop) out the door because they didn't want to deal with legal trouble seeing as Loot Boxes were widely being branded as Online Gambling (and rightfully so). As a result, Overwatch 2 became yet another pay-to-win Freemium cashgrab in a market over-saturated with them. I swear, Jeff Kaplan saw the writing on the wall and jumped ship before it could drag him down with it.

[@niceofgames]

@@sooperdude22 if they wanted to appease the legal wave. They should have kept the loot boxes, but not have consumers pay for lootboxes. Have them pay for the skins directly if they want to skip the trouble.