A/V Receiver vs Amplifier | What has more power?

[@David25522]

Another awesome video I took your advice from your other video and bought the Emotiva 3 channel amp for my front speakers and that Logitech remote man did that make a difference with my 7.2.4 Dolby Atmos setup and also that smart remote is awesome I just wanna say thanks a lot for taking the time to make these videos You deserve way more subscribers bro everyone share Techno Dad’s videos to everyone that you know he deserves it

[@AdnanKhan-uj5lz]

David Stokes-Lopez Same here I am too looking for the Emotiva Dealers in Saudi Arabia. Technodad made me setup my Home Theatre. Props to Technodad

[@David25522]

Adnan Khan They have a website that you can purchase their products from.

[@TechnoDad]

Thanks David! I'm glad you are loving your system! What's your favorite Atmos soundtrack?

[@David25522]

Techno Dad I would have to say Mad Max: Fury Road and John Wick 1 & 2 so far!

[@fleetrade]

Thank you Techno Dad. More blessings for you. I have Denon AVR 4500H but couldn't got 11.1 Channel with four Atmos Dolby rocking. Thanks to your Videos, advise and your lovely explanation. I bought EMOTIVA BasX A-500 - 5-channel. Now everything rocks. You are a genie Techno Dad 💕🎉🎶🎊🎶🎉💕

[@hjluit]

Volume knobs arent allways linear. So you will allways see different db's if you put different amps at the same knob level. This makes you draw the wrong conlusions. A better test would be to measure when both amps are putting out a specific db level, and then compare the sound to see if it responds faster, is more clean, more detailed, etc.

[@112rorz]

100% this is the first thing I thought when he said he set the volume to 50% on both. How do we know what 50% volume correlates to for each individual device? Maybe 50% volume on the Denon pushes out 10 Watts and the Amp pushes out 40 Watts at 50%. Very silly test IMO.

[@TheKnightOperator]

I conquer.

[@abowman91402]

But this one goes to eleven!

[@klxz79]

I agree this test was terrible, expecting that if you set the volume knob at the halfway point on two different branded amps that they'd sound the same is dumb. Even if they were the same brand I wouldn't do that, even if they were the same brand and model I wouldn't be surprised if there was slight differences. He should've played white noise or pink noise and used an SPL meter to find a point where the speakers are at a similar SPL when connected to both amps and then play some music on both amps at that level and judge the sound quality.

[@Turtleback8024]

@@TheKnightOperator *concur* you mean?🤓

[@FrightfulAccountant]

It was not always like this. If you bought in 1980 a 100 watt/channel stereo receiver from a brand like Pioneer , you would know 2 things: 1) It would indeed do max 100 watt/channel with little to no distortion (anyone remembers the advertised 0,001% distortion numbers?) 2) Inside the Pioneer receiver you would find the same amplifier components of the seperate 100 watt Pioneer amplifier. Thus the big receivers and the seperate amplifiers delivered the same sound. Today it is a very diffrent situation. Many of the Home Theater In A Box sets and entry level A/V Receivers put a large number of watt per channel (like 100-200 watt) on their spec, and then in very tiny letters sth like (at 10% THD) next to it. Believe me listening music that is 10% distorted is not only unlistable, it wrecks your speakers instantly. Equipment that can produce big numbers of watts of undistorted music is going to be heavy and very expensive. Two things modern A/V receivers not often are anymore. It's a real shame companies with a big legacy like Pioneer and Yamaha no longer put out fair Watt RMS specs anymore, but I guess that is just what the mass market has become. When most people buy stuff, they look for thinks like bluetooth applications, many HDMI inputs, dolby atmos stickers and so one. They don't realise you can only get great sound, if the build quality of your equipment is great. Seperates on the other hand are aimed a very diffrent type of users. If you want to spend lots of money on a very complicated setup, you will want the best sound and the best build quality. the few companies left that make such equipment will do their best effort to deliver.

[@quadzilla26b]

FrightfulAccountant can you recommend me a quality amp that produces awsome sound that was built in the 80s? Thanks

[@FrightfulAccountant]

quadzilla26b Technics, any 80s one ;-) They are like the hondas from audio: affordable, but build like a tank, last like forever. I have a 1987 Technics Z50 2x25 watt as a secundary receiver running. I havent even cleaned the insight since i bought it and i just sounds great! Mine is very entry level, but the higher ones look also the part and they are easy to track for a little amount.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

yeah I learned the hard way been a music lover since mid 80s I made the mistake buying an newer av receiver that said it was 180watts l yeah I took it back my 1987 J.V.c RX 550v rocks out with big power ! it weighs at least 40 pounds and sounds amazing on music ! it plays 8ohm at 50wpc 4ohms at 100 wpc and it was made in Japan it has built in eq with led display now days to get that power and clarity you have to buy an amp in 1997 I got lucky and bought a display model Yamaha rx 396 it rocks also its very heavy and sounds great paired with a Sansui se9 eq and my klispch 2.5 kg from 1997 why don't they make them like they use to ?

[@p4131]

FrightfulAccountant z

[@MrWeewool]

100% agree running a technics sa-dx930 just pure raw great sound very powerful aswell

[@frankeezee]

I switched to outside amplification on my 7.4.4 setup. I can tell the difference on my front channels, especially when cranking it up. Not so much on my sorrounds and height channels. Outside amplification is def an upgrade worth doing. At the least with your LCR's.

[@Dave30867]

If looking for a powerful reciever check for 4 ohm or even 2 ohm capabilities for real true output power .

[@johnjordan7232]

You measured a Denon AVR vs a Parasound 2 ch amp using volume knobs at same position? Doesn't seem logical at all TBH.

[@TechnoDad]

Alright, so how about this test then...if the speaker sensitivity of my Klipsch RP-280F is 98db, then at 1 meter away from the speaker with 1 watt I'll get 98db, right? I have to double the wattage to gain 3db, right? So in theory I'd have to double the wattage eight times to get 128 watts (less than advertised output) and I should reach 119db. Does that sound right to you? Do you think the Denon X6300H will actually get my speakers to 119db at 1 meter away?

[@TechnoDad]

2.828 volts is 1 watt into 8 ohms, look it up or do the math. I'll just put it this way...my car engine outputs 333 HP, but that's not the HP I'll get at the wheel. A bench test for an amp is exactly that, a bench test. You actually think you're getting 150 watts coming out of your speakers? You're not. Why don't you go and test out your AVR and come back with some real world results instead of someone else's bench test. The AVR companies can give numbers from their bench as well, but that won't be what we are getting at the speaker.

[@wa2368]

@@TechnoDad take this video down

[@stevenjacks3701]

I personally found the parasound halo very ordinary so glad i got rid of it and got me a primare a32

[@zm453]

@@wa2368 lmao rude. Can you maybe elaborate why you disagree? I'm a complete noob so I love the discussion. Thanks:)

[@rmari-sw4sm]

I have a question. I just bought a Marantz sr7012 and I have 2 polk audio rti8. At the time I just have 2 speakers and will add more later on as soon as I figure out what speakers I want. I recently had to return my Onkyo rz810 because after a night off partying the next day my Onkyo had a NG LB RB code on the screen and could not reset it so I returned it and got the Marantz. I guess my question is if the Marantz will handle at least 6-7 hours of play at a decent level of music or will I need a dedicated power amp for my front 2. Thank you

[@derekrobbins8255]

Have you messed with zone receivers? Looking to see if theyre like pre amps, where the recievers eq and volume controls the power on the external amp they are connected to. I know receivers with MAIN PRE OUTS work but ive found stereo receivers non suround sound that have a ZONE output. Im not looking to spend $400 or more on a a/v receiver since im just running Cerwin Vega XLS215S a crown xli core 2 amp that allowes you to use consumer home equipment.

[@MrChillywilly7]

What is the best option? Upgrade my avr from marantz, or get an separately stereo amplifier? I have an marantz sr6008 combination with Boston acoustics m 340 plus the center and m25. I'm looking at either going for the marantz sr7013 first, or go for the marantz pm7000n or cxa81 from Cambridge. Music is more priority than movies. So for improvement in the music department, I'm guessing the stereo amplifiers will give me more enchantment than going for an avr like the sr7013? Thanks in advance for the feedback!

[@mystickid1]

Hey TechnoDad, I have an denon x4400h. Does a separate amp just appear to increase the volume of the sounds coming from your speakers or does it do something else to the sound to make it magical?

[@DeletedContent]

It adds more power but more power doesn't always mean more loudness

[@christkourou]

Ok i m kinda new to this stuff, but I see many users having both AV receiver and Amp. Is this something to do just for more power or does it add something to the quality of the sound as well ?

[@MathewProductions]

Hello, could I ask? Do I need to buy an AV receiver if I want to connect my klipsch 600m to both my tv/shortthrow projector and my turntable.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! Yes, you would need an AVR for that setup.

[@retroforce6919]

You're absolutely right, when I added a 5 channel amplifier my speakers came alive.

[@tantenium]

Techno dad sir,I have a pair of 220 watts of yamaha passive speakers how many watts of amplifier do i need to maximize the audio output? Any advice is appreciated

[@gregcrezee4071]

What a terrific video! It goes without saying, separates if you can do it, is the only way to go. I'm from the old school. Back when ya bought a speaker, or speakers. You alwa2, always ran a mono block or 2 channel power amp. Fast forward to audio/video integration and.. bingo! I run 10 separate power amps in my current system. Not counting subs. Me and my wife have a dedicated listening room of 30x25. People have a hard time believing that a true 60wpc power amp will smoke anything the a/v receiver will push. Thanks again for a terrific video.

[@Buzza235]

Thinking about getting the emotiva 500 but my av has no pre outs for fronts. Do I have to buy a new av with pre outs for the fronts then?

[@uceddiemo]

buster colin yes

[@luiscuevas89]

Hey u know how properly hook up the monster avs 2000 and monster htps 7000 properly using the trigger mode to power them on and off?

[@josuevalle8068]

I have 4 polk audio patio 200 and a martin logan subwoofer for outside what should i use to have good sound what do you recommend

[@Jantonvid]

I found this video pretty much way later but do things actually sound better with the amplifier versus just the AVR or is it just more volume I mean if I'm using an amplifier and I set the volume to 30 and if I'm using a receiver and if I set the volume to 60 will I be hearing the exact same thing as far as audio quality? Were you able to discern a difference apart from the obvious volume level difference?

[@TechnoDad]

Hi Jose! When you have to keep turning up your AVR you may find some areas of distortion if the AVR doesn't power your speakers enough. It's highly recommended to overpower your speakers so they have ample power and headroom for large dynamic shifts in content. Like in a movie when it's all quiet and then there's a big explosion. An AVR will struggle with that dynamic hit with 5, 7, 9, or 11 channels that it has to drive. With a power amp, you will be able to experience that explosion with authority as the amp has plenty of headroom for doing such a thing.

[@黄凯文-b9u]

Hi how about using 105 WPC denon avr connect to ATI 1807 AMP 180WPC they 75W different ia that ok for sound?

[@Squishmallows24]

I have the denon 3600h and according to reviewers it’s about 80 watts 5 channels driven at 8ohms. I was looking to get an amp but there’s an emotiva basx a500 ($500) which is also 80 watts all 5 channels driven or would the outlaw 5000x ($750) be better since its 120 (135 watts from audioholics) all 5 channels driven?

[@TheDanmanguy]

How does this work with speakers that are considered more “sensitive.” I’ve heard klipsch speakers are more sensitive and require less power to produce volume and dynamic sound. I have 2 front jbl loft 50 towers with the matching loft 20 centre channel. I’m running a set of klipsch r-15m speakers as satellites and a klipsch r-10sw sub. I’m in the process of upgrading to an all klipsch set up as I am under the impression that klipsch speakers preform more dynamically than many other speakers. What are your thoughts techno dad?

[@juandv930722]

what would you recommend for the bowers and wilkins 706 bookshelf speakers under 500?

[@screwface1971]

what were the channel trims set to on the denon? calibrated to reference?

[@hometheaterman1424]

Hi Techno dad If I were to go with eather a denon AVR-X8500H or an AVR-x6400H and buy an Additional Powerful Amplifier to hook up to one of those recievers for my home theater system could I do that?

[@hometheaterman1424]

And what Kinda amplifier do you recommend that has the most power for my surround sound?

[@451Ron]

You should do a 2 channel comparison between a preprocessor and a preamp. Adding an amp makes sense, but after you do and want to improve 2 channel music, should you buy a prepro or a 2.1 preamp with home theater bypass? Do you have your Hint 6 with your home theater using the bypass option? If you do, how does it compare with 2 channel music to your reciever, using the preouts to an external amp?

[@gbolahanlakeru5020]

What do I need to buy to make my pre amplifier bluetooth

[@TechnoDad]

Search Bluetooth receiver on Amazon and look for one with an analog output to send to your pre-amp.

[@tropikfare]

So if I have two speakers and I'm running them with a receiver it will be better for me to switch to a stereo amp right?

[@tropikfare]

And does the watts matter a lot because my receiver has 100w per channel and the amp have 65w ?

[@heshlk]

Hi I use Yamaha RX-677 AVR & KEF 2005.3 speaker system. Kef says it has 100w output and AVR says 90w (8ohms, 0.09%,THD) 20-20khz 2 channel driven . My question Is, do you think I should introduce a power amp for this setup ? Appreciate some advice

[@TechnoDad]

Only if you like to listen to music very loud, and the AVR sees to struggle with that

[@heshlk]

thanks

[@markymark802]

so is the halo amp just for playing music and then you go back to the denon for movies or can you use the halo and denon at the same time for movies and still get dolby atmos

[@TechnoDad]

I use the Halo just for music and I switch back to the Denon for TV and movies.

[@costellom5]

The Denon also has individual level adjustments for inputs and for each speakers(12db increase or decrease)I'm curious if maxing those will get the rated output,at least in stereo.And I think ECO mode will also influence the output. I wish they would have made a pre.Take the 1300,take out the power amp,add some rca connectors,and done.500$/€ 7.1 pre. I have the X1300W,small room,and I have to turn to -30 to -25db to get some decent volume.

[@frankieknuckles9610]

What's the difference in price between the 2 units that should be taken into consideration also, plus other features. Comparing apples to oranges?

[@TechnoDad]

$2,200 for Denon, $2,500 for Halo Integrated.

[@lobsterwhisperer7932]

I have a Panasonic home theater system and the sub-woofer weighs a ton. I was curious to know if amplifier is inside sub-woofer.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! If you have an RCA inputs and a power plug for the subwoofer, those are good sings it is self powered.

[@luisvalencia1862]

Hey techno dad what kind of amplifier would you recommend me for a 5.1 systen to power the klipsch 260f tower speakers, klipsch 450c center and the klipsch 15m for surround back ?? I have the denon avr-x3300w and I don't think I'm fully powering the speakers thank you.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! Check out the Emotiva A-5175, 125 wpc all channels driven and costs $799.

[@dallasgessell8607]

I would go with Anthem, ATI or Theta Digital for 5.1 setup. Always go with separates if you can afford it. Receivers always try and fool you with big numbers like 1000 watts. That's 1000 watts peak , not continuous. The first 3 amps I mentioned rate their power in rms. The Atthem P5 ( 5 channel ) power amp is 325 watts rms into each channel, not 325 watts ÷ 5 channels. Once again get separates, power amp and processor. If on a budget or live in a tiny space , go with the receiver.

[@jamiegrieve5875]

Can you have a regular audio amplifier set up alongside a avr receiver and switch between the two for various uses

[@510maddog]

I just hooked up an Emotiva A-5175 to my Denon 3400H earlier & when I reran Audyssey, it put my left front to -7 & the front right to -5. Isn't that a little low because it sounds softer to me.

[@TechnoDad]

Definitely. Have you tried level matching? Manually setting up your system?

[@510maddog]

Techno Dad I think the levels are set right because I have an SPL app on my android & when I set it to 75DB, I went through each speaker with the master volume @ 0DB & all the speakers seemed to measure properly.

[@taxi615]

where can you buy parasound stuff ? might sound stupid but after checking around I can't seam to find a place.

[@TechnoDad]

Contact my man Cory. He should have the most updated pricing on Parasound gear and tell him I sent you - bit.ly/TDPHTFB

[@AdnanKhan-uj5lz]

Hi Bro is there any difference between An Integrated Amp VS Power Amp ? And Any suggestions in Yamaha also would 3 Channel would be begter for full front Stage or the 5 Channel ?

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! Integrated means it's a pre-amp and amp in one. They don't call it a receiver because it doesn't have a radio tuner. Power amp will only power what you put into it. What Yamaha are you looking at? It depends on your speakers. My front stage can handle 150 watts RMS and my surrounds can handle 100 watts RMS. A 3 channal can push 250 watts into my front stage, or I can get a 5 channel to push 180 watts into the front stage and surround speakers. It all depends on what you speakers can handle and how comfortable you are overpowering your speakers.

[@ptrmatchett]

So what are the take-home points considering the test is not relevant? is it not the case that power amps are a worth while addition?

[@TechnoDad]

Power amps have more headroom and take the strain off of your AVR. Not only will the regular listening volume go up but the dynamic shifts in your content will be more noticeable.

[@williammorales8204]

Do your homework, receivers generally can't keep up with dedicated amp, but there are expensive integrated that put some serious clean power. I still like separates for flexibility, though those integrateds seem so much less clutter. Also get one with bypass for your ht processor/receiver for tv.

[@bryansmall]

I have a 5.1 but not looking to expand. Not sure what my choices are to get more amplification. I have the Denon S650h, I'm not a audiophile like you and most of your listeners.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi Bryan, unfortunately you cannot add a power amp to this AVR.

[@jamiegrieve5875]

If i have a denon 720pma amplifier could i have a subwoofer and four speakers (a and b speakers) or should I just get an avr receiver and then can have lots of speakers and a subwoofer but im told that the sound for music isn't as good on avr as a regular amplifier? Please help im new here!

[@TechnoDad]

Hi Jamie. If you wanted to start a home theater, then an AVR is the way to go because it has all the decoding for the surround sound. There's no problem in using what you have in a multi-channel stereo format, but you won't get the right sounds coming from the right speakers. If you're worried about speakers not getting enough power with an AVR, that is a valid concern. You could invest in an AVR that has pre-outs and possibly power your front stage (Left, Center, Right). When listening to music, that amplifier will put more power into just the two stereo channels than when it's power 3 or 5 speakers.

[@in4chandru]

exactly the content I was looking for. Thanks, Channa!

[@kockondapruthvi]

I have JBL Arena 180 fronts + JBL Arena 125C + JBL Arena 120 surrounds and i am planning to go with Marantz SR5012/SR6012 My room size - 31x13x9(LxWxH) and entertainment is restricted to (21x13x9) [screen on 13' wall] Plan is to have 5.2.2 setup in future(7.2.2 if AVR is 6012) i am not sure when JBL say 20-200watts. what is the continuous power? Do i need a Emotiva BasX A500 to power my speakers or Marantz will do the job for me I don't want to burn my speakers with a lot of power, please help......

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! you won't burn speakers with too much power. I think the Marantz power will be fine. You can always upgrade with an amp later on if you wanted to. But I think you will be fine. More and more speaker companies are putting that power range and it is confusing. My take is that they can handle upto 200 watts. You will be okay with the Marantz.

[@shikopole4297]

What a video sir,I just found the difference and the ad myth of power rating used in av receivers. I thought of going to more channel av but now i understood only a amp can give the full potential of a speaker. thanks a lot

[@TechnoDad]

Glad it helped

[@ronmclaren8054]

I agree that setting the volume controls "halfway" does not mean the amplifiers are putting out the same volume. It would seem to me that to make the test valid, you would need to run a level setting tone through the Parasound, and set an output level, say 80 dB, measured by a sound level meter. Then do the same thing with the Denon, and set the volume to the same output level as measured by the meter. Then, with your audio computer, you would compare the graphs of the recorded "Solar Sailer" segments from the Denon vs the Parasound, and look for differences in the traces. If there is no difference, then repeat the test at 90 dB measured output. You will get to a point, I'm sure, where the AVR will run out of power and can't faithfully reproduce the sound clip, in comparison to the more powerful amplifier, and the traces will no longer track together. Then, you can make a conclusion, that the AVR can, or can't, provide a suitable level in your listening environment to meet your requirements, compared to the higher power amplifier. But guys being guys, I'd go for the higher power amp just to be on the safe side! Thanks for the videos.

[@dopydude]

hi..thanks for putting up a great video explaining the subtle differences in really pushing out magic from the speakers...as you rightly said, the AVR advertised power really doesnt deliver the way its supposed to... i have a HT set up - Yamaha Aventage RX 1040 AVR Receiver (rated 110 watts per channel and 2 channel driven/ 135 watts 1 channel) paired with PSB Imagine X2T floorstanders (Nominal 8 Ohms, Minimum 4 Ohms rated, 90 DB sensitivity) + Imagine XC Center Channel (Same Ohms and sensitivity as X2Ts) + ELAC B5 (6 Ohms)+ SVS PB-1000 powered sub woofer. The AVR has 5 channel pre-outs for connecting to a pre-amp/power amp. The set up is used 60% for Movies and 40% for music. All content played is through streaming over wifi or HDMI inputs from cable set top box or content from the macbook air (no JR river or similar apps being used and source output is direct). The room size is 25 ft length, 15 ft width and 10 feet height. For now i'm pretty happy with the set up - usually max decibal levels are around -10 DB (AVR volume range is -69 DB to +16 DB). But i 'think' adding a dedicated power amp for 3 front channels can add alot to the dynamic range, sound stage and overall headroom. had a few questions, would be great if you can help - 1. Basic question - Would adding a solid state power amp or an integrated pre amp make a huge difference? (iUnderstand Integrated amps help add more sources but lose out on what crucial - i.e power. An i dont need more source inputs in the system as the AVR is my main integration unit) 2. Should i look at the same manufacturers power amps/ integrated amp (Yamaha) or pairing it with others (e.g. Emotive X) would be ok? How important is matching and gain control for this? Would i lose out on sonic consistency, quality or output levels? 3. Which would be a good premp/power amp to add considering the recommender rating for speakers for X2Ts is 200 watts and center is 150 watts. The AVR dynamic power for Front L/R channels is at 8/6/4/2 ohms is 135/165/210/280 W respectively. Read somewhere that the AVR actually does 75/80 watts per channel instead of 110 advertised but the Aventage AVRs can push the req. loads when peaks are req.) 4. What would be a good budget option (say around 500$) for the pre-amp/power amp? 5. What would your suggestion be to improve the sound quality & output (considering room treatment, acoustics etc. being same) Suggestions welcome!! Thanks and keep adding more videos!

[@hookeduser889]

Hi Techno Dad, I have a very basic question and I am leaning towards getting your suggestion. I have ceiling speakers one per room and have it in 5 rooms. I just need a basic equipment for the speakers to work in all the room. What is your recommendation?

[@randyhunt1581]

Willson Audio did a dyno test on an Onkyo av receiver and it far out performed its ratings.

[@seanpersaud5045]

Great video 😎 Does it matter what brand amplifier used Say the A/V receiver is Marantz ?

[@panteraowns2515]

Most av recievers I've seen will only run like 90 watts rms. My klipsch are 150w rms and 400 Peake. Are there any receivers that will run close to 150w per channel ? Max volume my 90w rms 145w Peake sony strd 5.2 channel won't bairly budge my klipsch r 28f towers lol

[@Nguyen12]

How to connect 2 channels amp to 7.2 receiver, both are Onkyo?

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! What are the model numbers of amp and AVR?

[@lexiewilkinson9703]

Techno Dad.. Well im trying to find a power amp that dosent cost a fortune in Canada... cant find nothing beside the emotiva a300 cost about 520$ plus tax and its only a 2 channels amp my main use is for movies so i guess a 2 channels amp is worthless in this situation,, what do you think>? any advise on what i should look at thank you

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! That's unfortunate. If you can only get the A300, go for it!

[@lexiewilkinson9703]

do you think a 2 channels amp like the A300 will make an improobement over the Denon 4400h alone? thanks

[@TechnoDad]

It really all depends on what speakers you are running. Have you checked out OSD Audio. I see some power amps on Amazon Canada: www.amazon.ca/gp/offer-listing/B0028VG8QE/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new

[@TechnoDad]

If you go to Emotiva's site you can switch the money units to CAD, so I think they might ship to Canada. Give them an email or call to see what's up!

[@lexiewilkinson9703]

great thank you very much ill be looking into Osd look great and emotiva see what they can do, thank Dad!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

what about a 2 channel stereo receiver vs amp because I have a av receiver for hometheater pioneer that's says it's 120 watts per channel and I have a Yamaha 2 channel stereo reciver that's 100 watts per channel that's true high power !! it'll rock out way louder than my home theater why i dont pay alot for maps to push my big speakers cause i dont need it bit i have a sansui se9 eq hooked up also in my 2 channel receiver

[@TechnoDad]

Yeah, a 2 channel stating 100 wpc probably is 100 wpc. When you get into powering multiple channels on an AVR, that's where things get a little shifty.

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

Techno Dad thank you that's what I needed to know I've asked several guys on their audiophile pages even the Korean guy who has a 100k system , you know it's a lot cheaper to have a 2 channel reciver to use for music and a a/v receiver for movies right? using an amp wouldn't you have way more power on your fronts even during movies or can you level it out ? those amps are so expensive I like the new marantz integrated amp rays big power right?

[@TechnoDad]

Great question! The AVR will balance out your speakers, so you won't need to worry. I like multi-channel amps. Like a 5 channel amp for your main 5.1 speakers. Then let the AVR power your surround backs and height channels if you have them. When powering 5 channels I know the Parasound A52+ will send 180 wpc into 8 ohms, and when you're only using 2 channels for stereo listening, it's pushing out 225 wpc into 8 ohms.

[@TheAETHER22]

Being clueless about sound nothing stands between my TV and my home theater but denon x4400h. I guess i was underpowering my x2 rp-280f, 450c, x2 r115sw all along. I'm planning to add x2 rp-260's for rear surround, can someone recommend me an AMP for all of that?

[@longshot9078]

easy emotiva, parasound, outlaw are good.look on ebay and see what you want the thing has all kinds. oh i highly recomend harmon kardon myself

[@bobpena1490]

I say crown xls1002 with a surround sound preamp processor to get full power to all channels and crown amp are at a good price..

[@richardpruett9464]

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[@MobileDecay]

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[@hometheaterman1424]

Yeah I am knew to all this Surround systems and Recievers and Amps. This is just something that I want to get into. Like I dont know what's good and what's powerful I could use some help. for Recievers I like to go with Denon. But as far as amplifiers I dont know what to go with. I am looking at getting the most power out of my Amplifier. I am not worried about any costs.

[@pablomagdalena5919]

Hello techno Dad thanks for the videos there are really helpful for people like me who don’t know much about home theater system and I would like to know what reciver do you recommend me to get I recently got a some klipsch speakers RP-260f + RP-440C + RP-250S and I also have R-15M bookshelf speakers what reciver should I get to get the best of my speakers please I hope u can help me

[@TechnoDad]

Hi! It depends on your budget, you have some nice speakers.

[@pablomagdalena5919]

Techno Dad thank yo for replying I got them in Amazon for 2,150 and it come with a Yamaha RX-A770BL but I don’t like it because I can’t make it to work with Netflix only works with the cable box so went I Switch to Netflix I can still listen the cable box but no audio for Netflix they saying for 100 more I can get a denon avr-x3400h What do u recommend? Also do u think that they could be fake klipsch ?

[@TechnoDad]

Yeah, I'd go with that Denon

[@JJTeam-yr6tb]

Did you ever get around to doing a review on the Parasound Halo Integrated?

[@MRPC5]

But not every volume knob is linear...

[@TechnoDad]

Very true!

[@gregrichard9192]

Techno Dad, which would you recommend, av receiver and amp. Or pre/pro and amp?

[@TechnoDad]

Hi Greg, it really depends on what you are looking to do and what your budget is. If you want a home theater sound you're going to have to go AVR or Pre/Pro and AMP. Some of those pre/pros are super expensive though. I have been recommending for an 11 channel atmos setup, people get an AVR that can process 11 channels, but only power 9 channels and adding a 5 channel amp to that. It's cheaper than buying an AVR that can process and power 11 channels. Email me if you need in depth advice: technodad55 at gmail.

[@gregrichard9192]

Techno Dad . Thanks a lot. Keep up your great work with the information you're sharing. Best Regards .

[@nobodysdisciple2274]

I have a 50 watt Nad integrated and a Parasound 160 watt integrated. If I have the volumes set at 50% the Nad will blast you out of the room while the Parasound will be a nice listening volume. Volume knob positioning is irrelevant when comparing two different components for wattage/power.

[@napoleong011]

That's exactly what I thought recently since I switch from Onkyo to Denon. I used to use the Onkyo NR646 (350$), it drove my Klipsch Rp280f so well, I was satisfied with it except lacking of some function as playing music via NAS, or quickly connect bluetooth. Since the time I bought Avr Denon x4400h, I figured out that it was not powerful as my one Avr, I usually have to turn up to 60-70% volume on Denon Avr to get the same level volume as my last preference setting on Onkyo NR646 (50%). And for listening to music, I'm currently not satisfied with Denon at all, sometimes it not pass all the low requentcy to my subwoofer, and sometimes the bass is overwhelmed. May be I haven't set it up or calibrated probably, so I'm still playing with the settings.

[@napoleong011]

Old Gregg: I've just been playing with speakers and HT for almost 2 years that why I said that I still playing around with all settings, learning, trying to figure out which one is the most suitable for my preference. I'm not an expert in this field and I don't want to argue with you. If you're an expert in electronics and sounds, why don't you make an video and demonstrate your points. That would be the better way to show us how good your knowledge is, instead of just sitting there and watching his video, getting mad at me and willing to argue with everyone here. Your acts are useless!!

[@badonkadonkskidz]

Every other video explains the difference between a receiver and an amp. We know what they are. This video explains what’s happening when they’re working. And has made me make my mind up whether to buy a better receiver or amp. Hello emotiva.

[@TechnoDad]

Thank you!

[@fishingbear69]

Excellent video, thanks again, do you think its possible you can give us new comers into the hi-fi world , a part #2 to this video showing /describing which and how many separates would be best or not needed , for listening to music and hometheater movies..at Reference levels or general top listening levels.., please if I may ask....avr receiver, signal processor, power amplifier, or amplifier,pre amplifier, dacs, power line conditioners..etc ????

[@MaZEEZaM]

Won't the results vary a great deal depending on individual products?

[@TechnoDad]

Yeah. Next time I’m just going to use the AVR and then output from AVR to the amp, so the AVRs pre-amp section will be used.

[@DeletedContent]

Amps have more power but you need an AV receiver to decode 5.1. So just buy an AV Receiver and connect the speaker outs to the amps speaker in so you can have more power.

[@TechnoDad]

Yup!

[@FitraHomestead]

More vids like this please, and also where is the next part with the actual audio? Thanks

[@julianwest4030]

There's a problem with the testing methodology. You're going off the display from the pre amp stage, but we don't know how well matched up they are. It also doesn't take the input sensitivity of the pre-amp stage.

[@TechnoDad]

Copy that!

[@teokon5165]

This is not the wright way to measure Watts! There may be differences in the input sensitivity of the amps man!

[@matthewgaines10]

I look at the wattage of the power supply of said amplifier or AVR before the questionable watts per channel ratings. It will never output more than the rated power of the power supply. Whatever the manufacturer quotes for watts per channel with whatever conditions they used to define that rating can't violate that rule. Measurements are fine but how do we know how linear each device in you test set was? Does setting them to the half way mark represent 50% of the power supply's rated output for both units under test? Want to know how powerful an amp or AVR....start with the power supply rating then look at watts per channel and the way the manufacturer defined watts per channel.

[@TechnoDad]

Good call! I think a better test is to setup the AVR at 75% volume and record something, then connect a power amp to the AVR so it's using the AVR's pre amp section and then record the same track. I think that would be a better comparison.

[@alvarofamorim]

Hi Techno Dad! Great video! Leaving aside the power, and analyzing the audio quality, would you say Denon got the same sound quality from the amplifier for "normal" volumes? Thanks!

[@TechnoDad]

The Denon has great sound quality! I believe they use an AKM DAC (Digital-Analog Converter)

[@alvarofamorim]

I have the Denon X2400 and I think it's sensational! I was curious because I never heard a setup with an external amplifier. Congratulations on the channel and the content!

[@longshot9078]

HEY TD i justgot my harmon kardon signature series 2.1 5 channel power amplifier back from the shop , and would"nt you know it the av reciever went out ! so i did what anyone would do at a time like this i got my dinosaur out of the closet , my denon av3300 not the avr3300w! she has the preouts i need to make the amp work . i never thought she would sound so good , but i"ll tell you right now listen too brick in the wall by pink floyd no avr can match it ! it works well with movies too. my denon will put out 105 watts per channel at 8 ohms all channels driven. but because i have 4ohm speakers and the reciever can do 4 ohms its actually closer too 150 watts ! if you look at the specifacations thats what will help or just look at the wieght of the reciever the less priced avr"s are very light wieght where a higher priced one will be much heavier!

[@ruifaias4058]

hey! you did it the wrong way. you are just measuring output level at a given volume knob position. the correct way is to level bouth amp at the same output, lets say 88db. then you need to measure distortion and power output at the same load. this is not a easy task to do, but it will give more real results. edited: to do the test the right way you should find a oscilloscope, put some heavy duty 8ohm dummy loads on the amp them feed the amp with a sine wave at 1khz. crank the volume up until you find distortion on the oscilloscope, measure the voltage output and do the maths. this is the correct way to measure output power on amplifiers. you said, you need to double the watts to acheive 3 db at given speaker sensivity. so reversing the math and assuming the parassound, the loudest, was running at +-80w the denon was outputting +-10w.... this is fairly low. the only conclusion you can take from this test is that the volume knob position isn't a accurate way to measure power output

[@gibluap]

Your thoughts on Emotiva speakers?

[@TechnoDad]

Hi James! I only heard them once but they sounded pretty good

[@dontwatchfakenews2316]

Agreed my denon is rated 125 watts a channel. My parasound A23 is rated 125 watts a channel. Parasound blows denon out of the water it even has a better sound more fuller and more punch is how I’d describe it ✌️🙏❤️🇺🇸

[@Mopsie]

Thanks for your great videos, I've watched quite a few from. your arsenal. you've been a huge help in my search for an AV receiver. I have a video request. maybe you could make a video for ultra noobs, and explain every detail for people who know nothing about the subject. thanks man!

[@tee-jaythestereo-bargainph2120]

so you wouldn't want to use the amp inside of the a/v receiver to push hungry high end speakers I see they lie about power in the audio receiver it's just the brain got ya I use a 2 channel receiver yahama RX396 and half way up it wants to blow my 15 inch 3 way Kenwood speakers out of the box then on speakers b I have my Bose 301 when running A And B at same time with sansui se9 eq sounds amazing !

[@TechnoDad]

Nice TJ!! It's known that overpowering speakers is better than under-powering them. So if you have the extra power, put those into your speakers, why not? I bet your Kenwoods LOVE the extra power. I know my speakers do!

[@joeldoxtator9804]

I would like to see you investigate into how Audyssey tunes setups with a low power AVR bias. Audyssey assumes that you are powering speaker with the AVR so that even if you do add a power amp, Audyssey still sends as much of the power frequencies as possible to the sub-woofer. After redoing my setup with external amps, I had to modify all the settings manually. Otherwise Audyssey would just ignore the power available and still send way too much to the sub-woofer making the external amps and full range speakers near useless.

[@TechnoDad]

That's interesting. As soon as I get a 5 channel amp I'll be checking that out!

[@joeldoxtator9804]

An example, I have three way towers with 10 inch woofers in them, both Bi-amped running off a total of 440 watts per channel and Audyssey still set the crossover to 120Hz...... Makes you scratch your head. This is on a Denon x4400H for reference.

[@Ronster267]

I installed an Emotiva XPA-5 three years ago to power my speakers. Although the Pioneer AVR I had actually delivered most of the advertised power I still felt like I was missing out. Man, what a difference it made! The dynamic headroom makes all the difference! An AVR just cant deliver the same dynamics... period. Although in most situations most listeners MAY not notice the difference, the difference IS quantifiable! Since my AVR had pre-out's (An absolute MUST). I had the opportunity to do a side by side comparison. The Emotiva rated at 200 Watts per channel ( ALL Channels Driven!) EASILY beat the output power of the reciever's rated output (110 Watts per channel) as expected. I will never go back to just relying on an AVR to give my speakers what they demand!

[@TechnoDad]

I'm also looking into a 5 channel amp to test out for the channel. I agree that the added headroom for dynamic shifts in movies is very important to have. Thank you for sharing your experience!

[@crow1994-bl]

Receivers today have more than enough power for any size room. No matter what you're told, amplifiers are a waste of money. There is no difference in sound clarity. What you hear is all in your imagination. Reading the other comments, others have also bought into the scam. Only reason for an amplifier is that it looks fancy on a gear rack.

[@Guiltless765]

Picked up an Integra 50.3 today and all I can say is DAMN this AVR is a thing of beauty to tinker with. Subbed 👍🏻🍺👍🏻

[@TechnoDad]

Awesome!! Glad you’re enjoying it!

[@brydon10]

All I want to know is if amps sound different from each other. THAT is a very important question. I've heard that in reality they all sound the same, as long as they are not played into distortion.

[@jondoe6618]

Yes they do. Almost every amp sounds different from every other one in some way or another.Not everyone can tell though. My old analog marantz tube amp sounds different from my digital denon.

[@m.r.8247]

Why you are avoiding pioneers receivers? 🙄 with my small research I read that they have more power and they run cooler because they are class d amp what's you opinion? 😊

[@TechnoDad]

Trying to figure out which one to buy. I got an Onkyo this month, so I'm looking to buy something next month.

[@m.r.8247]

there is offer on www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01LWPPJWN/ref=ox_sc_sfl_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A3QNDWTFYX6H13 i don't know what happen to the price here or jump to the next two models amazon: $899.95 😐 best buy:$1,299.98 ON SALE b&h:Price: $1,600.00 Instant Savings: $300.00 $0.00 Tax Collected Outside NY and NJ You Pay:$1,300

[@TechnoDad]

I'm trying to get them in the $499 - $599 range, so they are somewhat even across the different manufacturers.

[@TechnoDad]

Probably going to be the new Pioneer Elite VSX-LX103 - $499

[@m.r.8247]

Techno Dad the reason that I mention pioneer because u didn't mentioned them in your previous video brain of your system 😁 by the way u can get the lx501 for the same price 499$ in Amazon

[@scotm3599]

Deception from manufacturers... I just sent my Denon back... Looking for something better but still affordable tough gig these days on a budget

[@TechnoDad]

Definitely a tough thing to do.

[@raymondfrancisco813]

I need your help. I am trying to figure it out for 2 weeks now. I have an LG home theater 5.1 channel that i have loved for 6 years until the receiver gave up. I had set it up to my LED TV before via Head set input to AUX in of the home theater through AUX mode. So everything the TV plays, goes out to the 5 speakers and subwoofer. Since my home theater receiver is no longer working, I am trying to purchase an amplifier that matches these speakers to do exactly the same set up (headset input to aux in). But I am having a hard time matching my speakers to the AMP. Especially, taking note of the Watts and Ohms which i believe critical. I have 5 speakers 141 Watts @ 3 ohms at 1kHz w/ 282 Watts Max input each plus a passive subwoofer 145 Watts @ 3 ohms 60 Hz w/ 290 Watts max input. The total wattages of all the components is 850 RMS. Please help me find the right Amplifier wattage for my speakers. This is for home use only. I use maximum of 70-80% volume only which is already way to loud for my taste. I love loud bass music. I saw Amp that states 500 watt x 2 which i don't understand if this is per channel or total. Also, most of the Amplifier Ohms i see is 4ohms and above. My speakers are 3 ohms. Are these ok? Please englighten me. I just want to use these speakers and subwoofer for the same set up.

[@TechnoDad]

Okay Raymond, to keep your speakers you'll need an AVR that's stable under 4 ohms and that's going to be a problem. Maybe if you can find a power amp that is stable at 2 ohms and you get an AVR with pre-outs to connect an external amp. That would be my best advise for your situation.

[@raymondfrancisco813]

Make sense. Most in market ranges 4 up. Hardly you can find under that nowadays except, for cases in home theaters like LG and Samsung. Maybe for marketing purposes. So you end up buying a new set again. Some people say 1 ohm over the a speaker would technically work and would be ok as long as you don't push the volume to 100%. Like i said i only use maximum of 80% if there is a little gathering at home. But most of the time 30-50% movies or music. Do you think it will work? What's your opinion about this? Thanks

[@mrmagic34]

So do you have to spend a thousand dollars to get a a/v receiver with preouts Techno Dad

[@amazoidal]

Better to buy a Pre-Pro like The Outlaw.

[@TechnoDad]

Yeah, a little bit more than $1k, but you can also find some sales I think.

[@MrWolfgang2]

What's a pre out guys?

[@TechnoDad]

MrCurtisIvan its an RCA or XLR connector that sends the audio signal out of the AVR to be powered externally.

[@MrWolfgang2]

@@TechnoDad thank you very much

[@arshadpc1923]

man, AvR is not just amplifier and an amplifier cannot decode DTS audio from HDMI. An Av receiver can deliver 150 watt per channel into a 6 ohms load.

[@pollydor07]

THANKS

[@G.L.P.40]

My 1995 receiver wish is 300watt no per channel but per sections wish is =50 watts per channel maybe ur was set up the same I don’t know may b

[@johnascurry8100]

This dude is crazy with the jokes!! That hairstyle is hella funny he knows what hes talking about though. Great video my man keep it up!!!

[@TechnoDad]

LOL, Thanks!

[@paulbutter1317]

Great video , but I guess right ? These speakers love power ! I also want to thank you for your advice on my selection my set up sounds amazing! Playing vinyl or listening to music from KZbin, I haven't put on a CD yet . And the movies are insane thx for the Dolby atmos demo. The only thing when doing the demo I don't get no sound threw the atoms speakers but when I put the movie demo I get the sound threw them weird.

[@TechnoDad]

Paul, glad you like the setup!! Not sure what's up with the Atmos signal. I'm sure you've got your player set bitstream. Email me if you wanna try and trouble shoot it

[@paulbutter1317]

Ok cool thx

[@paulbutter1317]

Techno Dad will double check all my settings, a lot of I have to keep up with as far making sure I have everything set up properly. I just Youthmans video on the audyssey mix up with crossovers , I checked my av it was at 60 for the main and 120 for the atmos. Don't even know what that means bit I'm learning day by day believe me.

[@paulbutter1317]

Fix the issue, thx bro . Just your video on the Sony blu ray player ,and check the demo atoms DVD with the 7.1.2 and everything worked . Just want to get the very best out of all my equipment. Pretty I need help with my tv and maybe av , I guess thx again

[@paulbutter1317]

Do I have to put the bitstream on any other device ?

[@Modeltrainscarsstereos614]

Gas delivery comin in hot

[@Dummatzen]

I agree that it is time for manufacturers to start telling us what we really get instead of these fantasy numbers. It would take some time though for people to understand why all of a sudden the amps that were putting out 140 watt/channel now only puts out 60-70 watts/channel. People want to be deceived. They want to be able to say my receiver puts out so and so many watts.

[@TechnoDad]

Hi Martin! I totally get what you're saying. I'm not sure why they don't tell us a number for all channels driven. That would just make sense.

[@preston6945]

Title should be which one has more gain?

[@jackryder6732]

Important topic

[@ross5506]

Mr. Dad you have the finest audio video channel, you explain in a plain language unlike other channels that I have no idea until the end when they call the winner. I want to learn again I was in this hobby back in the late 1980 remember super VHS, lol. We come a long way and watching many of your videos. Just a Q. after learning how big to go with sub woofer by cubic feet, I got 2 HSU 12". Do you think Onkyo 830,or 820 is good match with the monolith 7 x 200 for movies? Thinking this may be my next purchase I can get the 830 at Gibby's at $499. It was a$1500 AVR last year. I just subscribed! Cheers from Canada 😁

[@hi-fihaven2257]

Awesome video! Incredibly interesting. Thank You for all the work you put into it!

[@giangvu7902]

Not a valid test. Volume knob position doesn't correlate to power output or gain.

[@TechnoDad]

Sure, I’m going to do a new test but using the theater bypass so it uses the amps on the Integrated but none of the pre-amp section. So all that will be coming from the AVR, including the volume

[@MRKeema-vc6lv]

The heavier the HT reciever the bigger the power supply and power reserve.

[@jdmsz9378]

MR. Keema still won't compare to a dedicated power amplifier

[@Gorilla_Jones]

JDmsz No shit. You mean something that provides just power is more powerful than so.ething that has to do 10 other things? WOW!

[@MRKeema-vc6lv]

An top of the line Denton HT receiver will make any speakers sing at their best.

[@jdmsz9378]

Old Gregg you're delusional if you think Denon power ratings are true talking about 140 per channels with 11 channels driven. With 11 channels, you're getting no more than 70-80 watts per channel

[@jdmsz9378]

Old Gregg what are you mad for? I know it's 2 channel driven but that's not how Denon or those other brands advertises thier products straight from the box. You have to look at the specs as you said. But my point is an separate power amplifier will always out perform an avr no matter how big their power supply is