A Very Long Brave Hero Tier List feat.

[@DTMFEH]

Y'all have clearly have not seen my AoE B!Gullveig AR videos that I've been doing for over a year now 😅

[@Oblivionknight]

😂

[@ezed8748]

some people underestimates her... and og edelgard!

[@BlutgangHer0]

I'd say move B!Marianne up to lower A.... No wait, S!

[@rocketgalFE]

Totally not biased at all 🤣

[@Oblivionknight]

Finally made it through this behemoth of a tier list. I think this is the only place I've seen Bernie rated so highly.

[@Ssbb7777brawler]

Long tier list but you know what if anything that’s praise worthy since all of you just have put a ton of thought into this. If anything I learned something from every tier list out there about the brave heroes & it’s that no one can consistently convince anyone else where to put gatekeeper.

[@steffanocavero5872]

Gatekeeper bad? I can tell who didn't vote for him during his CYL. Had him working since day 1 and has not disappointed me since. For the current meta I'd say low A is more accurate and should stay that way unless IS busts out like antiwarp structures in AR or a new unit with built-in warp bubble.

[@Alector12]

Apart from his color, which proves to be valuable against Felix, what exactly elevates Dimitri above Tiki? The ten extra speed in his stats? pretty sure Tiki gets that from her weapon alone. Gust? Tikis Dragon Roar is far more reliable to proc against mose things that are not Micaiah, though it can not be used with LF4 together at the moment. Basically, I think Tiki is a sidegrade to Dimitri right now and should be placed next to each other accordingly. depending on the toys dragon get in the future, she might even make a nice comeback.

[@HikkiDeer]

Oh my god this is the perfect triooooo!!!! I'm so excited to watch the video, hope you guys had fun doing it

[@Mark-xk3hh]

Pretty good placements overall, but I do think B!Tiki is a little better than low C, she's at least high C or possibly at the very bottom of B imo (only with Laguz Friend though). She actually has pretty good matchups against units now due to the amount of stats in her refine and her statline overall. Her high res and attack stats make Glacies hit much harder than before, so she actually has some notable wins like against E!Ike (tbf she has scowl, but still). Her losses now are mostly against strong and fast units with unpierceable DR (Like B!Felix) rather than just any fast unit with pierceable DR. Braves still continue to be her worst matchups though, especially L!M!Shez right now Her refine is definitely kinda cheeks though, DC should've been swapped out with something like Frozen (or anything to make her get followups easier) or just scowl on every hit. No healing either kinda sucks too. The worst thing about her besides speed really is that she can't use Dragon's Roar with LF4, which sucks since LF4 is easily her best B slot skill. I do think she's at least comparable to fast infantry dragons that can run Dragon's Stone+, but no more than that. (Btw shield fighter is B!Corrin's best in slot skill, but Fjorm still does it better lol)

[@rocketgalFE]

Frozen would have gone hard for Tiki ngl

[@Franys470]

i have a +1 Brave Tiki with LF4 and Glacies that's able to oneshot back an a!micaiah supported Nergal with LF4 She's literally dimitri 2, if not better because of how important res is these days

[@Mark-xk3hh]

@@Franys470 Yeah mines at +10 with LF4. I haven't used her for almost 1.5 years until her refine now lol. She's pretty good as just being B!Dimitri if not better, there are some matchups that can be surprising wins for her if you just support her a little with a unit like Seteth. Just really wish she got something more to help her get followups, it doesn't help that New Divinity is just such a bad skill

[@moony2249]

Alfonse really does feel like the pre-cursor for Emblem Lyn to give us Speedtaker 4 with Great Talent

[@rocketgalFE]

Probably why he doesn’t also boost speed

[@alexjimenez4462]

I'm not a competitive player. However, I do feel that BF Robin synergies very well with Bernedetta's Paranoia effect. She can kill things very reliable in cases where she can't, same with Felix (although Felix can stand on his own without support). B Alfonse is a good fith for Bernie cuz Alfonse increases her damage output.

[@BylethsBoba776]

Oooh this is gonna be amazing

[@nih_offi8437]

Brave alfonse in b? lol he is S

[@profefortoad]

Honestly my only problem is Dimitris placing. Tiki is just a better dimitri. Both have Dc and flat dr, but tiki has more stats, scowl and her garenteed follow up in her weapon and not in the replaceable b skill. Also tiki can use dragon roar for special dr while dimitri has really problem with the speed checks in Glr/Gust. Tikis refine wasnt great but dimitri deserves to be under her

[@YudiLRoy]

After 3 days i've finally finished watching the entire video

[@cataholic8040]

It took me a few days but finally finished it :D One thing I'm not sure is Bernie though. I got her as a freeby, but she works really bad with Micaiah who is a must pick in SD. Just for that I would put her down a bit since there's so many start of turn debuffs, and having her with Micaiah completely negates her uniqueness. Also Hard Bearing, which is 100% coming as an Attuned skill...

[@ChianteShears]

I actually watched the whole video. Really nice stuff. Really gave me a new perspective on Brave Byleth. Never would have considered her to be so high, let alone above Brave Alfonse who I was surprised was kind of ripped to shreds.

[@rocketgalFE]

Brave Alfonse really wants to hit with his special and if he can’t, he’s not quite as scary. Still very tanky

[@yung_ant]

Poor Brave Celica 😢

[@RayBcv1030]

Nice video, I'd personally put Brave Hector higher. While yeah he's not the best save in the game anymore. He's still really good! Right now, he's a very good anti-meta unit and can be VERY good as a near savior with the right investment. I gave him reopening and Armored Blaze, and he does VERY well against a lot of the meta melee player phase threats right now. Yes, this INCLUDES Brave Felix since he doesn't have NFU. I'd personally put him in C or B, because he NEEDS the investment in order to keep up. But I think he's far more valuable than Brave Claude who cannot kill anything and dies to everything, and brave Miciah who I always forget is even in this game.

[@rocketgalFE]

In retrospect, I might move him up to bottom of C, but he needs heavy investment these days

[@Exiled28]

First of all, wow guys, you really did a great job, this list is phenomenal, love this list alot more than fehology's which mind you, it's a pretty good one too. Now for my observations(that probably no one will read, lmao): Cyl1: pretty spot on, these guys just devolved to generics, their resplendants can't even save them from modern f2p units such as Kent, HTakumi, NSaizo and a million of f2p axe infantries, so they're a lost cause. Cyl2: Well, outside from Hector, and maaaybe Celica if you mega ultra cope, all these guys are also generics so yeah E tier. Cyl3: Now these guys are also generic BUT these at the very least don't NEED the arcane weapons, sure they will probably be better with them, but they still have their niche: Alm +1 movement AOE spammer, Camilla with far trace echo gravity, Eliwood's and Micaiah dual effectiveness with some stuff on top, these guys are above the cyl1 and cyl2 generics only because arcane weapons can't replicate everything their weapons bring, yeah there's Celica ring but just as Hardy Bearing seal there's only 1, so there's no harm in using it on someone else. Cyl4: I do agree with everything, poor Claude he's basically the loser of this batch now that most tanks emulate his playstyle but better, he CAN work with his refine just as Satachi mentioned but he keeps falling off. Cyl5: GK take is slightly spicy but I do think people need to understand that anti warping isn't the same from what it was 1 or 2 months ago, there's the obvious counters of Shez and Celica, but there's also Felix, he can just move 6 spaces unhindered by his antiwarp and I kill him, I used to be very scared of him in AR-D but now he's just nothing in most teams, in SD is even more difficult to slot him in because he can't trade kills so yeah, his lack of firepower is his true weakness, good to know you're high on Marianne as I am, she's top 3 galeforce secondary initiator, and well I don't really have an opinion on Marth and Eirika but good that she got some respect too, other lists have been very hard on her when her only real weakness is not having +1 movement imo. Cy6: I don't know why you guys didn't analyze this batch last lol, reviewing cyl7 after this was pretty anticlimactic... but maybe it's for the best since these refines were kinda lackluster overall, the richer got even richer as I like to call them in regards of Chrom and Seliph, Satachi put some respect on Byleth and while I think she's a tier higher than she should... she definitively got a better refine than Tiki, oh boy Tiki just got destroyed with this refine, red (old) nukes STILL kill her even through LF4 and BoL4, however she's hard carried by her class and movement so at least there's potential for her to be good someday(cope) but Byleth I fear... she will be the next Brave Claude mark my words. Cyl7: yeah Soren is probably the best aging one, maybe that tree oc guy will ruin his niche but we'll see, Robin is not what he used to be but even he got some respect and I appreciate that, he might be worse than his kid version but his support is still pretty good, he's basically the modern brave Lucina since his support is easy and straightforward to use, unlike other supports that might be better but harder to plan for(assign decoy or pathfinder) BGullveig yeah I do agree with Rocketgal, she's a bit lacking nowadays, she lacks power for a galeforce initiaror and Corrin... I used to believe she was the worst one of the cyl7 units, she aged horribly in a world with VMyrr or even DMByleth, but thanks to shield fighter and how it benefits fast units the most she got new life so I think she's in a good place now. Cyl8: wow I didn't expect you guys to be so high on Bernie, granted she's better than most people give her credit but ooh boy never expected her to be above Felix and Robin... at least I do agree that Alfonse is by faaar the worse, he doesn't even have a guaranteed follow-up, what were they thinking? They thought that making Ike2 but with a horse and an axe would be enough, nope, he's good now only because of his threat range and modern effects, but he will probably age horribly as most slow units do especially those in a bad archetype, I do regret slightly free summoning him but since I planned to fodder him anyway I think I'm alright. Random thoughts: Enemii and Satachi got into an argument about AoE state in the meta, Enemii concluded that BoL4 and similar effects ruined AoE meanwhile Satachi though it wasn't a big deal and since BoL4 healing caps meaning that AoE was still crazy strong, and I had to agree with Satachi on this point... not exactly because Enemii was wrong per se but he was hitting a strawman instead of the REAL culprit, but luckily my boy Enemii figured it out, it wasn't BoL4 precisely the problem BUT divine vein stone! Ofc!! Finally you pointed out the contradiction and showed the evidence! BoL4 in combination with Stone terrain(and random units with AoE reduction such as VMyrr) are the true culprit, hahaha! But anyway I think I rambled enough already so thanks to all of you for making this brave units podcast it was very entertaining!!

[@Franys470]

Considering GK's main utility being anti-warp is fine but saying that he ain't that good because warping is not like it used to be (which is false) undervalues him a lot AR is my main mode so i'm gonna talk about that mostly Omni + 5 drive for any tank is still crazy good and it's basically map wide His prf is in the B slot, meaning he has free C, the "support" slot. Drives, inf nfu, cc, ip, BoL4 at worst He has a map wide heal which is good but not amazing plus. Last but not least he's ranged and has true DR, take off his CC A slot and he becomes an amazing AI baiter to get pots easily He's like a swiss knife, probably to this day one of the best brave units we have

[@Exiled28]

That's why I said their GK take was slightly spicy, to be fair, I think he should be A tier over the likes of Corrin and BEdelgard which provide just decent combat and little/generic support, his anti warping is just that good and can't be replicated​ to that extent, his buffs and healing support are nice to have but hardly something you'll consider if not for his anti warping, so "insane" is a stretch, we live in a world which undervalues BMRobin support as not that good and unlike GK at least he can still trade vs squishy and not so squishy units. Again, GK is only good because he has the strongest source of antiwarping, you don't need to cope by saying he has other good qualities since nobody use him for what other stuff he brings, his anti warping is excellent and unique for now.

[@BARadiantDawn]

The bol4 vs aoe thing is a common misconception in feh, it doesnt effect aoes as much as everyone thinks. Im putting together a video on misconceptions actually haha this is one of them

[@BARadiantDawn]

Fun fact: i actually use b!celica in mjolnirs strike haha with base refined weapon

[@BARadiantDawn]

When it comes to miccy, i remember combined with menace she could hit like 60 or 80 spd or something haha was enough to double for awhile. Just checked, mine can hit 73 with g duel flying, which is solid id say? 80 without is a good amount of spd, still use her in arena actually, armor/cav effectiveness and all

[@Franys470]

i use her in AR-O as follow up unit for galeforce strats The TP4 effect makes her easy to setup and she is able to kill even to this day with not much effort

[@BARadiantDawn]

Chroms a monster, easy S. mine hits +70 sometimes

[@JdeAcuario]

I dont think you tested BSeliph at all... Chrom is not nearly close to being that good...

[@yacmoth770]

Byleth is so high it's crazy lmao. They're not that good

[@ArataShizunai]

Byleth in A?! You earned my respect.