An easier way to solve: dividing m+n=mn by either m or n, we see m|n and n|m, which means that m=n and so 2m=m^2 and thus m=n=2.
@NoisqueVoaProduction3 жыл бұрын
Why can you divide by m or n and still be sure everything will be a natural?
@leickrobinson51863 жыл бұрын
@@NoisqueVoaProduction We can rearrange the equation to get n=mn-m. If we divide by m, we see n/m = n-1. Since the rhs of the equation is an integer, the lhs must be as well, and so m|n (m divides n). Likewise, by symmetry, we get n|m as well.
@NoisqueVoaProduction3 жыл бұрын
@@leickrobinson5186 oh, yeah. That's actually really simple. 1\m is a sum of integers, therefore it is a integer. Cool
@secretperson86813 жыл бұрын
Thats so cool bud. thanks
@nickyhekster29743 жыл бұрын
Exactly what I thought!
@bprpfast3 жыл бұрын
If we allow complex numbers, then we can have (-1)*i=i^(-1) 😆
@MrSlimeOfSlime3 жыл бұрын
wait, isnt that a black pen?
@terrybickerton14553 жыл бұрын
Can someone explain this to me? I swear (-1)^i= e^(-pi) and i^(-1)= -i e^(-pi) doesn't equal -i
@dqrk03 жыл бұрын
@@terrybickerton1455 its -1 TIMES i
@terrybickerton14553 жыл бұрын
@@dqrk0 ohh lol thanks. im clearly blind
@3snoW_3 жыл бұрын
6:20 - "if m = 1 or 2" OR "n = 1", that's what you should have said. You need at least one of the 2 conditions to be true, not both at the same time. You pointed out that when m > 3 (first condition is false) and n = 1 (second condition is true) then m*1 = m^1 = m, so (m,1) is a solution. There is also the case where m=2 (first condition is true) and n=2 (second condition is false) and 2*2 = 2^2 = 4, so (2,2) is also a solution.
@md2perpe3 жыл бұрын
Another way of solving m+n = mn is to rewrite it as (m-1)(n-1) = 1 which has integer solutions m-1 = n-1 = 1, i.e. m = n = 2.
@udic013 жыл бұрын
Me too...
@fatemehparvizi69813 жыл бұрын
If we put m and n zero which is an integer it works. It means that it is true if we put x zero and a and b any integers except zero. And the other solution is a=b=1 , x=2 For any integers.
@md2perpe3 жыл бұрын
@@jkid1134 m-1 = n-1 = 0 doesn't imply m=n=0. It's however true that m=n=0 is a solution to m+n = mn. That corresponds to x=0 and a,b free (excluding a=b=0, since 0^0 isn't welldefined).
@jkid11343 жыл бұрын
@@md2perpe fixed my error, thanks. Too early to be doing this, haha
@vinc17fr3 жыл бұрын
Yes, completing the product is what Michael often does, even when not necessary. It is surprising that he didn't do that here.
@knvcsg18393 жыл бұрын
That intuition of trying for m>=3 is really something that we need to get here. The remaining is so easy.
@OOobstkuchenOO3 жыл бұрын
I think the easiest way to solve this is to notice that the problem can be rewritten as (x^a - 1)(x^b - 1) = 1 and noting that, everything being integers, this immediately implies either x^a=x^b=2 or x^a=x^b=0 since the only factorizations of 1 are 1*1 and -1*-1.
@birbwithscarf3 жыл бұрын
How can x^a+x^b be rewritten as (x^a-1)(x^b-1)=1?
@khoiduongminh51113 жыл бұрын
@@birbwithscarf x ^ a * x ^ b - x ^ a - x ^ b + 1 = 1
@birbwithscarf3 жыл бұрын
@@khoiduongminh5111 sorry, i understand your equation but how do you rewrite it as (x^a - 1)(x^b - 1) = 1?
@Danicker3 жыл бұрын
@@birbwithscarf It's not that x^a+x^b can be rewritten, it's the entire equation x^a+x^b=x^(a+b) that can be written. In case that still doesn't make sense here is a step-by-step explanation: x^a + x^b = x^(a+b) x^a + x^b = x^a * x^b 0 = x^a*x^b - x^a - x^b 1 = x^a*x^b - x^a - x^b + 1 1 = (x^a - 1)(x^b - 1) by factorisation Then, as OP pointed out, since x, a and b are natural numbers, x^a - 1 and x^b - 1 must both be integers, which leads to 1, 1 and -1, -1 as the only solutions.
@birbwithscarf3 жыл бұрын
@@Danicker Ohh ok, thank you so much!
@goodplacetostop29733 жыл бұрын
4:03 Michael’s homework 6:52 Good Place To Stop
@qzwxecrvtbynumi2563 жыл бұрын
3 weeks ago?
@pppp-ij8tk3 жыл бұрын
@@qzwxecrvtbynumi256 😳
@goodplacetostop29733 жыл бұрын
@@qzwxecrvtbynumi256 THE TIME WIZARD
@Oleg-mv6cx3 жыл бұрын
I hate you
@timetraveller28183 жыл бұрын
@@qzwxecrvtbynumi256 bruh he is just in the 4 th dimension it is a common integral in relativity and uncertainty principle
@Koisheep3 жыл бұрын
2:38 Didn't expect to be reminded of Hölder's inequality but here we are
@h4z4rd283 жыл бұрын
XD
@sanderscheel3 жыл бұрын
I think I got recomended this video because I searched for Hölder's inequality. '-8-'
@useruser-ht8tw3 жыл бұрын
Koishi!
@user-engahmed3 жыл бұрын
I hope to put a translation into Arabic, please, please🙏🥺
@TrinoElrich3 жыл бұрын
Ah, yes, good ol' conjugate exponents lol
@StarnGz3 жыл бұрын
0:07 I come in every video and expect the sentence: 'and by natural number, I mean positive integers' lol
@garrettthompson32863 жыл бұрын
gotta assert that 0 isn't natural every video for dominance
@egillandersson17803 жыл бұрын
It is a very usefull clarification, because if 0 belongs to N or not depends on the authors. None is wrong, because it's just a convention.
@benjaminvatovez88233 жыл бұрын
@@egillandersson1780 Is it the norm in English? In French from Belgium, N always includes 0 as positive integers do (we don't say non-negative integers in French. If we want to exclude 0, we say "strictly positive".)
@egillandersson17803 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminvatovez8823 I don't know : I'm a french-speaking Belgian. I learned the same as you.
@notar21233 жыл бұрын
@@benjaminvatovez8823 In Bosnia (and I can vouch it's the same in all of former Yugoslavia) I've been taught that N does not include 0.
@nipunnohria1863 жыл бұрын
Another way for second: Case1- n=1 m=anything Case 2 m,n !=2 Suppose p is a prime divisor of n and its power is k Power of p in m^n-1=k So k=>n-1 Since p^k divides n P^n-1=
@goodplacetostop29733 жыл бұрын
HOMEWORK : Find the set of all possible values that can be attained by the expression (ab + b²)/(a² + b²), where a and b are positive real numbers. Express your answer in interval notation. SOURCE : 2012 HMMT - Guts Round
@debayuchakraborti19633 жыл бұрын
that looks like that imo p6
@anthonypham75633 жыл бұрын
Let a = b*x, where x is a positive real number. Then the expression becomes E = (b^2*x + b^2)/(b^2*x^2 + b^2) = (x + 1)/(x^2 + 1). We notice that E is always positive, and E becomes arbitrarily close to 0 for large x, so 0 is the lower open bound. The function is analytical over the positive numbers, so we can simply take the derivative of E wrt x and set it to 0. Thus, E' = 0 = (x^2 + 1 - 2x^2 - 2x)/(x^2 + 1)^2 => x^2 + 2x - 1 = 0 => x = -1 +/- sqrt(2). Note that we are not concerned with x = -1 - sqrt(2) since it is a negative solution. Finally, we evaluate E at the endpoints and the extreme points: E(0) = 1, E(-1 + sqrt(2)) = sqrt(2)/(4 - 2sqrt(2)) = (sqrt(8) + 2)/4 = (sqrt(2) + 1)/2 > 1. E is continuous for x > 0, so the set of all possible values of E is (0, (sqrt(2) + 1)/2].
@goodplacetostop29733 жыл бұрын
SOLUTION *(0, (1+√2)/2]* Suppose that k = (ab + b²)/(a² + b²) for some positive real a, b. We claim thatklies in (0, (1+√2)/2]. Let x = a/b. We have that (ab + b²)/(a² + b²) = (a/b + 1)/((a/b)² + 1) = (x + 1)/(x² + 1). Thus, x + 1 = k(x²+ 1), so the quadratic kt² − t + k − 1 = 0 has a positive real root. Thus, its discriminant must be nonnegative, so 1² ≥ 4(k−1)(k) ⇒ (2k−1)² ≤ 2, which implies (1−√2)/2 ≤ k ≤ (1+√2)/2. Since x > 0, we also have k > 0, so we know that k must lie in (0, (1+√2)/2]. Now, take any k in the interval (0, (1+√2)/2]. We thus know that 1² ≥ 4k(k−1), so the quadratic kt² − t + k − 1 = 0 has a positive solution, (1+√(1−4k(k−1)))/2k. Call this solution x. Then k(x²+ 1) = x + 1, so (x + 1)/(x² + 1) = k. If we set a = x and b = 1, we get that (ab + b²)/(a² + b²) = k. Thus, the set of all attainable values of (ab + b²)/(a² + b²) is the interval (0, (1+√2)/2].
@goodplacetostop29733 жыл бұрын
@@aashsyed1277 Yeah
@pullamallama26693 жыл бұрын
Wait doesn’t using 2x2=2^2 work as well? That is, with mn=m^n
@karankamat20873 жыл бұрын
the problem with the second problem is we've proved we can't have m>=3 AND n>=2 I.e we can't have both together but that does not mean m
@danielbranscombe66623 жыл бұрын
Yes, I believe he forgot that the restriction of n>=2 only applies when m>=3, so for m=1 and m=2 he has to consider any possible n to be complete. So to complete it. m=1 gives 1*n=1^n, n=1 which is already part of the solution given m=2 gives 2n=2^n n=2 giving the extra solution of m=n=2
@DawidEstishort3 жыл бұрын
@@karankamat2087 Yeah, it's a classic mistake of assuming \(A+B)\A+\B
@srijanbhowmick95703 жыл бұрын
@@DawidEstishort Can you explain that notation ?
@DawidEstishort3 жыл бұрын
@@srijanbhowmick9570 \ "negation" + "and" (usually it is written as ^ but I forgot I could write that) "if and only if" "It is not true that both A and B are true, if and only if A is not true and B is not true." That is false because it should be "It is not true that both A and B are true, if and only if A is not true or B is not true."
@SV-yo6nq3 жыл бұрын
this should be called 'the middle schooler's dream'
@scribblespoon19193 жыл бұрын
fever dream
@iabervon3 жыл бұрын
If a, b, c, and n are positive integers, n^a + n^b can't equal n^c if n > 2. If (wlog) a≥b, n^a
@davidseed29393 жыл бұрын
error at 6:26 if m>=3 and n>=2 has been eliminated. then the remaining possible solutions are m=1,2 OR n=1 in fact by checking we find the solutions are n=1 for any m or m=2= n^(1/(n-1)) and the only integer value of n for that expression is 2
@ichigonixsun3 жыл бұрын
1:31 "So since they're natural numbers, none of them are zero." TRIGGERED
@icfj772 жыл бұрын
For the equation m*n=n+m, if we consider gauss integers, i.e. , complex numbers like z=a+bi, with a and b integer, we have not only that m; n=1; 1 and m; n=2; 2, but also that m=1+i and n=1-i (or m=1-i and n=1+i as well).
@jerrysstories7113 жыл бұрын
The title made me thing someone dreamed about this problem. Math dreams always feel so weird. I dreamed once that pi was suddenly equal to 4,. Everything was all wonky, and I was having a hard time getting to work.
@Umbra4513 жыл бұрын
when pi=4, circles become squares
@jerrysstories7113 жыл бұрын
@@Umbra451 Nah, they were still circles, the underlying geometric of the universe was just difference suddenly, such that the diameter and circumference had a different ratio. It was really weird.
@frodoswift703 жыл бұрын
I dreamed a derivation of the Pythagorean theorem, which I had never previously derived
@jbtechcon74343 жыл бұрын
@@frodoswift70 when you woke up, did it turn out to be a valid derivation?
@EebstertheGreat3 жыл бұрын
@@Umbra451 Actually, if the value of pi is not 3.14159..., rectangles can't exist at all.
@udic013 жыл бұрын
The method of (m-1)(n-1)=1 also gives answer to the homework question (m,n in Z). Because either m-1=n-1=1(which we already seen the solution in the video) or m-1=n-1=-1 and the second option gives us x=0 and a and b are free.
@demenion35213 жыл бұрын
exactly my thoughts!
@joaquingutierrez30723 жыл бұрын
1:24. My approach: m + n = mn m = mn - n m = (m - 1)n m/(m - 1) = n So (m - 1) divides both m and m - 1 So (m - 1) divides m - (m - 1) = 1 So, as (m - 1) non-negative we must have m - 1 = 1 m = 2 Substituing we get 2 + n = 2n 2 = n n = 2 This approach works when n and m are integers too. But in that case we need to consider the case m - 1 = -1 NOTE: Sorry, I did not consider m - 1 = 0. In that case n + 1 = n 1 = 0, a contradiction
@chungyanwong72933 жыл бұрын
I have another similar dream too but I don't know how to solve this: When does (x+y)^n = x^n +y^n for all x,y,n∈ℝ. I know equation satisfies when either -{n=0 | y= 2-x} or- { n=1 | x, y∈ℝ} or {x=0 | y, n∈ℝ} or {y=0 | x, n∈ℝ} but how to write a proof for n>1? P.S. I also know that for n
@romilgoel41913 жыл бұрын
I am not sure but.. expanding via binomial theorem gonna help ?
@chungyanwong72933 жыл бұрын
@@romilgoel4191 Thanks for a reply, that's where I was stuck. After Bionomial Theorem and testing different n values, I got into polynomials of all degrees beyond the fifth one and I don't know if I should use Galois Theory or something for solving polynomials beyond fifth degree
@Haalita213 жыл бұрын
I’m not sure if your first solution is valid as LHS = 1 but RHS = 2. Otherwise, other than the trivial solution of n=1, you have an infinite solutions of n>1 when xy=0, i.e. either or both of x and y = 0 and that isn’t too difficult to see from the binomial expansion of (x+y)^n.
@chungyanwong72933 жыл бұрын
@@Haalita21 Oh wait, you're right about my first solution!! Because (x +y)^0 = 1 and x^0 +y^0 = 2. My Math error. Thank you for pointing out :)
@michaelcampbell6922 Жыл бұрын
{n is odd | x=-y, y∈ℝ} satisfies the equation
@cicik57 Жыл бұрын
Using diophant equasion factorisation trick: x^a + x^b - x^a x^b -1 = -1 x^a(1-x^b) - 1 ( 1 - x^b ) = - 1 (x^a - 1)(x^b - 1 ) = 1 in natural numbers: x^a =2 and x^b = 2 or x^a =0 and x^b = 0 (what is impossible) so x = 2, a = 1, b = 1 is only solution ??
@江勖豪3 жыл бұрын
For the second question, I have some additional thoughts. For m>=3 and n>=2, m^(n-1)>= 3^(n-1) > n. So, while m=1 ,m=2 or n=1, m*n=m^n is solved. While n=1, m is free. While m=1, n=1. While m=2, n=1 or 2.
@michaelaristidou26053 жыл бұрын
0 is a natural number, so simply adjust the question to be true for all positive naturals. Also m=2, n=2, is also a solution for the 2nd version of the problem.
@phiefer33 жыл бұрын
0 is not a natural number actually, the first set of numbers that 0 belongs to is whole numbers.
@mryip062 жыл бұрын
natural numbers may include 0 depending places.
@trishanmondal78133 жыл бұрын
I suggest let there exists a prime p>2 that devide x The largest exponent of P thta should devide LHS is a and it should be (a+b) for RHS . It is possible iff b=0 but that doesn't lead to the set of natural number . . Only case : only p =2 devide x X≈2^r From here rest is easy
@titassamanta68853 жыл бұрын
m|(m+n)=> m|n (m and n are not 0) Smilarly n|m. Hence m=n. This gives 2m = m^2 => m is 2 or 0. Though we assumed that m and n are not zero yet m=n=0 is a solution (if problem were to be solved for all integer values of m and n)
@tomkerruish29823 жыл бұрын
An alternate route (equivalent, but not using fractions) is noting that m + n = mn implies (1 - m)(1 - n) = 1; consequently, (1 - m) and (1 - n) are either both +1 or -1. The second choice gives us m = n = 2; the first choice yields m = n = 0, which is valid for x = 0 and a, b any positive integers, which are precisely the additional solutions resulting from using Z rather than N.
@Sora1the3 жыл бұрын
For the second question, wouldn't m=2 and n= 2 works as well? 2*2 = 2^2 = 4
@goduck-x6u3 жыл бұрын
1:34 Easier way: m + n = mn ==> (m-1)(n-1) = 1, so m = n = 2
@leonardovalente97723 жыл бұрын
i am seriously upset he didn't talk about (2,2) as a solution to the second problem
@alfredtrietsch21511 ай бұрын
Yes, at 5:52 narrowing down to m>=3 is not motivated
@Fine_Mouche2 жыл бұрын
only (2;2) in N, but for m in N and m in R where are infinites countable other solutions for m = 1/3 we have n = 1/(3/2) , for m = 1/4 with have n = 1/(4/3), for m = 5, we have n = 1/(4/5) and so on. And for both n and m in R, there are infinite uncountable solutions which satisfy 1/m + 1/n = 1, it's just n = 1 / 1 - 1/m
@lucashoffses90193 жыл бұрын
6:30 shouldn’t the condition be m=1,2 *or* n =1, and not and? m=2 and n=2 works as a solution.
@mrphlip3 жыл бұрын
My working on this one was similar, but went like: m + n = mn n = m(n-1) m = n/(n-1) m = 1 + 1/(n-1) m-1 = 1/(n-1) LHS is an integer, so RHS is an integer, so n = 0 or 2 (I always forget that this channel typically defines ℕ as starting at 1... but then this also serves as the extension to ℤ) This gives our solutions as m=n=0 and m=n=2. so our solutions are: x^a = x^b = 2 ⇒ x = 2; a = b = 1 x^a = x^b = 0 ⇒ x = 0; a, b ≠ 0
@benedictrodil49313 жыл бұрын
Also, a ≠ -b
@mrphlip3 жыл бұрын
@@benedictrodil4931 Good point, I missed that. Actually, thinking about it I think the condition is a, b > 0
@benedictrodil49313 жыл бұрын
@@mrphlip Ah yes they are, I also missed that too
@balajik84733 жыл бұрын
m = n/n-1, n and n-1 are always co primes, so that's the simplest form of rational p/q, for it to be integer, denominator should be 1 -> n-1=1
@davidgustavsson40003 жыл бұрын
mn = m^n log(mn) = n log(m) log(n) = (n-1) log(m) Trivially true for n = 1 If m = n ≠ 1, n = 1+1 = 2 If n>1 (n-1)>log(n), and if m>2 log(m)>1 so lhs
@mathOgenius3 жыл бұрын
And I thought I was dreaming
@anupagarwal48433 жыл бұрын
In the follow up question, m and n can both be equal to 2. this would be another solution. I think you have missed this one.
@liorean3 жыл бұрын
I've had math textbooks in Swedish and English, by authors from Sweden, UK, US and Australia, and formulae and tables books from three different publishers or universities, and every single one of them distinguishes positive integers, ℤ+, from natural numbers, ℕ, in that the latter includes zero. I just learned that not everybody use these definitions. Why the difference?
@peterdecupis82962 жыл бұрын
in modern Set theory N is the minimal inductive set {0,1,2...}, i.e. the minimal infinite ordinal; thus its starting element is the null set, i.e. zero! This is consistent with the classic Peano's Axiomatic Foundation of N, where the presence of zero is explicitly stated by the first axiom. Z is commonly defined as the Set of translations in N (i.e. is a quotient set of N×N with respect to a peculiar "shift-equivalence" relation); therefore, rigorously speaking, Z+ is not the same set as N, whereas there is an isomorphic bijection between them; in the case of point, the isomorphism maintain ordering and fundamental operations (sum, multiplication, and exponentiation). Unfortunately there is no universality in some conventional symbols: e.g. for some authors Z+ does contain the zero (i.e. the null-translation in N), for others it doesn't
@andrewparker86363 жыл бұрын
Note to self - RTFQ . I thought we were solving for a,b in N and x in R. Which is interesting. And you can classify solutions, but can't compute them closed form.
@rbnn3 жыл бұрын
For the first problem, assume wlog b>=a and divide by x^a to get 1+x^(b-a)=x^b. x>1 by inspection, and if b>a then taking both sides mod x yields a contradiction. Hence a=b, and 1+1=x^b, so x^b=2, a=b=1, x=2.
@calyodelphi1243 жыл бұрын
mn=m^n is also true if m=n=2 but that is the only solution that exists for the case n>1. For all other solutions n must = 1, and then m can be any natural number.
@jamirimaj68803 жыл бұрын
3:22 is that really a symbol for contradiction?
@happygimp03 жыл бұрын
1:33 What, why? Why shouldn't they be 0? It would work with 0 and 0 is a natural number.
@zeropotential68303 жыл бұрын
Hi dear Micheal Penn I made a problem using my childhood experience when i was palying with my elder brother's calculator. Problem:a^n= x^99 Where a and n are integer. Find the value of a.For value a n should be maximum.
@mrhatman6753 жыл бұрын
I did it like this for the second problem m^n-1=n suppose n≠1 this means m^n-1 can be written in the form m×m×m... n-1 times=n which means n|m and so we can write m=n×k which means k×m×m...=1 but since k and m are integers and 1 is a pime number and in this case the only number that devides it is 1 and can be written only in the form of 1×1×1... so it means k=1 and m=1 thus n=1 which can t be true so our assamtion is wrong so n has to be 1
@srprantor3 жыл бұрын
Cynthia loves Pokemon and she wants to catch them all. In Victory Road, there are a total of 80 Pokemon. Cynthia wants to catch as many of them as possible. However, she cannot catch any two Pokemon that are enemies with each other. After exploring around for a while, she makes the following two observations: 1.Every Pokemon in Victory Road is enemies with exactly two other Pokemon. 2.Due to her inability to catch Pokemon that are enemies with one another, the maximum number of the Pokemon she can catch is equal to n. What is the sum of all possible values of n?
@skywing7863 жыл бұрын
If a pokemon , say mimikyu , is enemies with another pokemon , say pikachu, does that imply that pikachu is enemies with mimikyu too ?
@Abcd-hs4cv3 жыл бұрын
If you divide both sides to x^a+b you get 1/x^a + 1/x^b=1 and only 1/2 + 1/2 equals to 1 so x=2 a, b =1 in natural numbers. And in all real numbers solution is a=b=logx 2.
@Guessyyyy62703 жыл бұрын
For decimal numbers etc. We have X = sqrt(2) and a & b = 2
@l.3ok3 жыл бұрын
For n = 2 we have that n = m^{n-1} implies that 2 = m and we also have a solution.
@divisix0243 жыл бұрын
I would solve m+n=mn in N by factoring it as (m-1)(n-1)=1, so we must have m=n=1. The matter is similar if we’re in Z, just that we may have m=n=-1 as well
@shiveshpratapsingh35019 ай бұрын
For integer solutions (m,n) we have (0,0) and (2,2) as the only solutions
@damianbla44693 жыл бұрын
For the second problem (m*n = m^n) we have also infinitely many solutions of the form n=1, m=arbitrary constant.
@irrelevant_noob3 жыл бұрын
... but that's what was already described in the video, so what do you mean "ALSO"? o.O
@mrvnoble3 жыл бұрын
Trivially, in the integers, x=0 gives solutions for all a,b. I haven't done any work beyond that yet.
@242math3 жыл бұрын
watching and learning bro, you are a master at this
@irrelevant_noob3 жыл бұрын
... a master who can't negate a conjunction? xD
@tcoren13 жыл бұрын
If x os at least two, and wlog a>b (I'll treat a=b and x=1 later) then: x^(a+b)=x^a*x^b>x^a*2^1=x^a+x^a>x^a+x^b Contradiction x=1: 1=1+1 contradiction a=b: (x^a)^2=2(x^a) x^a=2 x=2 a=b=1
@ishansingh23913 жыл бұрын
Try this Find all pairs (a,b) of real numbers such that whenever p is a root of x^2 + ax+b. =0 then p^2 - 2 is also a root of the equation. Source regional mathematics olympiad : India
@mansoorali79513 жыл бұрын
1) Since m+n is a multiple of m (i.e, mn), which is only possible if n is a multiple of m. But m+n is also a multiple of n (i.e, nm), which means that m is a multiple of n. Since m is a multiple of n and n is a multiple of m => n=m. Thus m+n =2m=m^2 => m=n=2 2) mn=m^n => m^(n-1)=n For n=1; LHS=RHS = 1 for every value of m. For n=2; m=2 => the result holds for m=n=2 also For n>3; m=ⁿ⁻¹√n, which is an irrational number for n>3 contradicting the fact that m is a natural number. Hence the relation doesn't hold for n>3. Thus the relation holds; If n=1 (for any value of m) OR If m=n=2.
@Nikioko3 жыл бұрын
How do you define natural numbers? Positive integers or non-negative integers?
@LukePalmer3 жыл бұрын
2:23 "but that's impossible" is hilarious to me for some reason
@uttankjha88883 жыл бұрын
The dejected/disappointed look is everything
@gordistador3 жыл бұрын
It doesnt have to be x=2. It just has to be x^a = 2. X could be any number larger than 1, as long as the exponent is the right value to turn X into 2.
@JBRewind3 жыл бұрын
For the mn = m^n, calling it now before I finish watching: m and n must both equal 2 OR m can be anything and n is 1.
@JBRewind3 жыл бұрын
Oh, so I found a solution he didn't. How?
@surem83193 жыл бұрын
Alternatively one could rewrite the expression to: m = n/(n-1) and utilise the fact that the only way n-1 can divide n is if it is equal to 1 (since n is different from 0) which gives us n = 2 immediately.
@tzovgo3 жыл бұрын
DEFINITION: Let a [n] b = a [n-1] a [n-1] a [n-1] a ... a [n-1] a (with b a's). a [0] b = a+1. (Note that this is only defined for natural numbers.) This makes addition a [1] b, multiplication a [2] b, and exponentiation a [3] b. STATEMENT: For all k>0, i>0, n=2, m=2 solves n [k] m = n [i] m. PROOF: 2 [k] 2 = 2 [k-1] 2 = 2 [k-2] 2. In general, 2 [k] 2 = 2 [k-j] 2 as long as k > j. (At k = j, we have 2 [0] 2 = 3 =/= 2 [1] 2 = 4) Choose j = k - 1. 2 [k] 2 = 2 [1] 2 = 4. This reasoning applies exactly to 2 [i] 2 as well. Thus, 2 [k] 2 = 2 [i] 2 for all k>0, i>0.
@Utesfan1003 жыл бұрын
n+m=mn implies (m-1)(n-1)=1. Since both are integers, m-1=n-1=+/-1. Thus m=n=2, or m=n=0, but the second is not in N.
@federicorossi85873 жыл бұрын
Can you please teach how to play message in a bottle?
@AlphaPizzadog3 жыл бұрын
X = 2 A = 1 B = 1 Or if a and b don't need to be integers, an example: X = 4, A = 0.5, B = 0.5
@kaizoisevil3 жыл бұрын
For the mn=m+n, I did simon’s favorite factoring trick. (m-1)(n-1)=1
@AnonimityAssured3 жыл бұрын
I think we can all delight in having spotted the glaring omission of m = n = 2.
@Wurfenkopf3 жыл бұрын
This is a strange choice of the dominion, I would be curious to find the solutions outside of the natural numbers. At least, setting a, b as natural but x real
@mike1024.3 жыл бұрын
The opposite of m>=3 AND n>=2 is m
@demenion35213 жыл бұрын
the problem gets more interesting if you allow x, a, b to be negative. if you only consider m+n=m*n, then only m=n=0 is a new solution over the integers, but if a or b are negative, that makes x^a or x^b rational and not integers.
@MrBrain43 жыл бұрын
Here's how I solved: Write x^a and x^b in base x. Adding these when a!=b results in a sum in base x such as 10010, which is not a power of x. So for any possible solution, a=b. For x=1, we get 1+1=2, which is not correct. For x>2, we result in a sum in base x such as 2000, which is not a power of x. So for any possible solution, x=2. The only a and b that work are a=b=1, since we get in base 2, 10+10=100. For any higher a and b, x^a + x^b = x^(a+1), which is not equal to x^(a+b).
@patrickhodson87153 жыл бұрын
m = n = 2 is also a solution to the second question
@theash43613 жыл бұрын
An alternative method could be taking a
@thelivetoad3 жыл бұрын
What about rational solutions? Diophantos' method enumerates all solutions to m + n = mn in Q.^2
@kadoozy37523 жыл бұрын
Am I the only one who heard a moan at 1:09 ; 3:38? :))) I think math isn't the only thing is going on there :))))
@daltonrainer67343 жыл бұрын
Same bro lmao
@seroujghazarian63433 жыл бұрын
mn=m^n also has (m,n)=(2,2) as a solution
@titan12358133 жыл бұрын
On the second problem, m = n = 2 is also a valid solution.
@winterdark86573 жыл бұрын
I have a question :"if f'(a)=f'(b)f(a)=f(b) with a,b is realnumber" is is right??? Please
@NoahUbf3 жыл бұрын
"not because we need to, but because we can" :)
@NikolayVityazev3 жыл бұрын
m=2, n=2 also works
@log23063 жыл бұрын
That's literally the only solution
@teeweezeven3 жыл бұрын
@@log2306 I think he means for the question mn=m^n
@NikolayVityazev3 жыл бұрын
@Teeweezeven, @Neo right, for mn=m^n
@themanwhocarriesthesun7803 жыл бұрын
Here's how I solved it. Assume a>b (1) and divide both side by x^a we have 1 + x^(b-a) = x^b (2). Of course, x^(b-a) is a non-integer because of (1). Thus, it does not satisfy (2). This proves (1) false. Similarly, the proof for a=3, x^a >= 3^a > 2 which does not satisfy (3). So, we must have x=2 (4). From (3) and (4), we solve for a=b=1. So, the only solution is x=2, a=b=1.
@heeraksharma12243 жыл бұрын
Can this identity be used: (Secx)^2 + (cosecx)^2 = [(secx)^2]•[(cosecx)^2]
@michawalus8423 жыл бұрын
I found a quicker solution: So we know that x^a + x^b = x^a * x^b We move everything to right side and add 1 to both sites 1 = x^a*x^b - x^a - x^b + 1 Notice that this is (x^a - 1)(x^b - 1) = 1 We know that both x^a - 1 and x^b - 1 are non negative integers so x^a - 1 = x^b - 1 = 1 x^a = x^b = 2 Only numbers that satisfy this equation are x = 2, a = 1, b=1.
@michawalus8423 жыл бұрын
In this method it's easy to generalize it to all integers, only difference is that x^a - 1 and x^b - 1 can be equal to the - 1 so x^a = x^b = 0. Therefore we get more solutions in form: (x, a, b) = (0, m, n) where m and n are non zero integers.
@Creativemathlearning3 жыл бұрын
Is there another solution?
@juliusgutjahr14063 жыл бұрын
6:27 but if you set m=n=2 the equation would still be true
@cyan12943 жыл бұрын
i think for the "homework" we would first start with m
@Adomas_B3 жыл бұрын
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@teslachess73193 жыл бұрын
Is it possible to make e with complex numbers without using e?
@蛰扉3 жыл бұрын
m+n=mn, we can solve this by making this mn-m-n+1= 1, then (m-1)(n-1)=1. 1 can only be factored as 1*1, hence m=n=2
@rileywaugh10223 жыл бұрын
If x>2 can one work mod (x-1) in order to arrive at a contradiction?
@mrhatman6753 жыл бұрын
I did it like that m+n=m×n which means m=-n÷(1-n) whih means m=-(n÷(n-1)) suppose n is 2k+1 this means m=-((2k+1)÷2k) but this can t be a an integer and we want m an integer so n=2k which means m=-(2k÷(2k-1)) and we know the only uneven number that devides all numbers and in this case our even number n is 1 so 2k-1=1 which means n=2 and m=2 so x=2 a=b=1
@dominiquebercot95393 жыл бұрын
J’ai essay é autrement Si a =b, on trouve x=2 Si a
@KarlDeux3 жыл бұрын
I am afraid that 0 is a natural number. You just have to consider the case so you can skip it afterwards.
@enigma-zb7km3 жыл бұрын
0 is a natural number, and that's an other solution if x=0, and a,b different from 0
@walidch91623 жыл бұрын
mn=m^n (2;2) is a solition Because the condition is n≥2 if m≥3 Then if m≤2 that doesnt mean n≤1
@giuseppelanna3 жыл бұрын
I can't stop thinking it looks like the last Fermat's therorem
@ZeroSleap3 жыл бұрын
Isnt m=2 and n=2 a solution to m*n=m^n 2*2=2^2
@tonyennis17873 жыл бұрын
At about 3:20, why did you decide 1/n >= 2/3 and not 1/n
@schweinmachtbree10133 жыл бұрын
if 1/3 + 1/n >= 1 then 1/n >= 2/3 by subtracting 1/3 from both sides of the inequality :)
@tonyennis17873 жыл бұрын
@@schweinmachtbree1013 Thanks, that part was just a little too fast for me
@MrRyanroberson13 жыл бұрын
you missed a solution at the end: m=n=2 again. 2+2=2*2=2^2=... so mn=m^n
@Lucifri3 жыл бұрын
It would work in Z with x=1 and a or b =0 while the other is 1, right?