A1708 Macbook Pro not charging; diagnosis and logic board repair

[@rossmanngroup]

› Beginner's guide: bit.ly/2k6uz84 › repair.wiki/w/A1708_2016,_2017_13%E2%80%9D_USB-C_non-touchbar_MacBook_Pro

[@ThomasJoseph315]

Thanks for making a repair video! It's like watching Bob Ross fix a Mac Book lol

[@ponyisasquare]

@@ThomasJoseph315 Sure maybe if bob ross drank 2 pints of coffee they could be on same energy level. I checked my video settings to see if it was sped up :D xD but I do agree that Louis really brings out the art in the task.

[@remasterus]

WOOOOOOOO a Louis Rossman video that I get to comment on before it's a bajillion comments deep! Love your work and your advocacy, Louis!!!

[@rossmanngroup]

Thank you

[@gameteindifference2350]

It's always a pleasure to see Louis use a "small amount of flux". Thank you for what you do and how you contribute to R2R!

[@ubuu7]

it always looks like he completely drowns the board close up

[@StormsparkPegasus]

The funny thing is...it really isn't that much flux. It's under a lot of magnification. "The bigger the glob, the better the job" has become a meme though.

[@virtusetglorie]

Louis, I feel super honored for my tiny part in the recent stream. Totally made me feel smart and a little badass for once! I stand completely behind everything you're doing and planning for the future, sir! Cheers.

[@rossmanngroup]

Our secret, man. Remember: our secret. I wasn't kidding. Not even close to kidding. Once you know certain things, you can never unhear them, and can never forget about it. My stature is not such that I have enough contacts, resources, or power to stand a chance right now - but in due time. I will come back and do what I promised.

[@virtusetglorie]

@@rossmanngroup Absolutely. Best of luck in all your endeavors and you definitely have a supporter in me as far as all that goes.

[@royjones4056]

"How long is a piece of string" f*cking gold! 👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾

[@wongway40]

2 x half its length

[@sewingize]

I am so glad there is someone like you who is there to explain the intricate steps of how to repair MacBooks. I am 91 years old and my first computer was an Amiga and when they disappeared I would buy old Macs from the university in 1990 and try to make one out of two or three. Now I am working on 2006 to 2009 MackBooks and need the help you are graciously providing on KZbin. I had been The Sewing Machine Doctor for 40 years so I am used to small equipment. Computers are a challenge and I strip them down and clean them and back together the same day. A little shaky but no Dementia. I know where the parts and screws go and the wires in the proper places. Thank you again for all the information you are sharing with people like me.

[@spaceforce0]

seeing the flux dry up following the traces is so satisfying. watching something being repaired is also, repairing something is as well. Everything is satisfying

[@Bri-bn5kt]

As a programmer, I hate being asked "How long will it take to debug this". I'm going to start using "How long is a piece of string"

[@americancitizen748]

Very Zen...

[@ichabodlorax7585]

I am now going to comment on this video to show more interest in these repair how-to vids.

[@recowabunga7200]

You are a hero sir. Keep fighting the right fight.

[@georgedunham6833]

While I like all of your videos on pretty much everything, these videos on repair is what got me started with following your continuing and expanding work.

[@TheBooban]

I had a non charging Mac. I turned it over to Apple. They said there was no problem and gave it back. No charge. I knew the guy. Solution was to leave the MacBook shut down for 72hrs to empty the battery and probably memory too.

[@firstnamelastname-oy7es]

I had a similar problem with a Windows laptop. It wouldn't turn on and the charging light was constantly lit even without the charger plugged in. In the end it was fixed by simply removing the battery and waiting 10 secs till the power totally drained. I think it was caused by a bad charger because the charger Box made strange noises when plugged into the wall, so maybe it was tripping out the charging circuit in the laptop. Thank God for removable batteries

[@Chrisfeb68]

I know Louis hated doing these types of videos but I really find them interesting.

[@LinearBob]

Louis, you and I have a lot in common, although I am 78 and have made a lifetime career out of repairing radio and television station hardware, up to 110,000 watt UHF TV transmitters. And all of the lower level RF, baseband video, and audio stuff. And even the cameras, audio mixing consoles, switching, and editing equipment. You and I think alike. I'm proud of you for carrying on a great tradition. And thanks for making narrated videos of your work. 73. Bob WA6WHT

[@LinearBob]

I should have added that I did (and still do, when I can) troubleshooting and repair to the component level. But in my industry, the station owners don't care much about that any more. They want cheap people, and don't mind throwing lots of money at new boards to fix problems because they think that approach is cheaper in the long run. The thought virus you have exposed from Apple, of using TI (and other company's) chips that you cannot get is increasingly common. In some cases, they (the product manufacturers) don't want anyone figuring out how their hardware really works because if you knew that, you would scream about how over-priced that hardware is. Some of the "Broadcast Grade" equipment profit margins are literally stunning, but brand names and reputation for "quality" are often used to justify those markups. If the end users knew the real prices, they wouldn't pay those inflated prices ever again. Even so, the ownership will still go for the board swappers, over the component level troubleshooters who can repair stuff, every time. It's the rare owner who appreciates his or her resident techies when everything is always running well. And they rarely notice that things have been running too well for too long. That turns out to be the handiwork of a good broadcast engineer. Turn on your radio or TV and the station you want is always there on the air. That's not an accident or good luck. :-)

[@wellyup7879]

These sorts of videos are exactly why I watch your channel. Please, please, please, don't end these. Mr. Clinton is the only legit alternative.

[@DWmaniac4n6]

Never owned or intend to own an apple product unless you count my apple2c i found. But I love to watch the board repair videos. Love your rants too but I was worried you were not going to do these vids any more. I have learned a lot of soldering and troubleshooting techniques from you. Much thanks. Long live right to repair

[@AntonioWengratt]

I never thought about things the way you said. Looking for the damage can teach us more than the damage itself. From now on, I'll surely start looking different during repairs. Thanks Louis!

[@gamingsandbox5483]

Louis, lots of people will appreciate the effort that you put into the making and detailing of these videos. I do. I really hope that your channel is gonna blow up all over the internet and people will learn how to repair their stuff. Let's hope that right to repair wins. Good luck with your business.

[@DrVinylBcn]

Totally !

[@SamBao]

Completely not apple related but I successfully replaced the battery on my Nokia 9 PureView today! Lots of adhesive heating and glass cover prying but I was so proud when everything was put together and my phone didn't need to go to the landfill

[@StormsparkPegasus]

When you said "why do you think this machine isn't charging" my only response was "ewwww, that's why".

[@tactileslut]

No kidding. Brown goo here, green goo there, nope, no way this machine charges, especially given the client comment.

[@XenoSpyro]

This repair should defo be titled The Dirty iHole

[@StormsparkPegasus]

@@XenoSpyro Oh wow, that is 10x more eww than my original comment.

[@MrMithosriot]

I did 2M work for a long time, when i turned around 28 I noticed that I wasnt able to do precise work without small shakes so I started using helping hands a lot. By the time I was 32 I couldnt do 2M at all anymore as anytime I tried to do anything I would start shaking so bad, I just assumed it was an age thing and stopped doing 2M all together. Last year I got to the point I couldnt eat rice, so finally my wife made me go to the doctor. I was diagnosed with essential tremors, which are common I guess, i take a pill twice a day now and I do not shake at all anymore. I recommend looking into it, i think my life would have been much better if i wasnt a stubborn ass for so many years.

[@manuelpentinga9312]

The one and only Louis Rossmann Pro. Great video!!

[@xboxbml]

Glad to see you still doing repair videos !

[@Madhawa333]

Waiting to see you again with logic board

[@dpactestaccount]

I love this video! This is so confidence inspiring. I guess the hardest part in taking in customers broken machines is that not being able to fix it because of lack of knowledge and documentation.

[@LimitPro1]

I love to see repair videos every now and again

[@AFPilot07]

I do think there needs to be a Louis rossmann board repair channel and then a Louis rossmann talks channel

[@ShermanKyle]

Low key I sometimes forget Louis doesn’t run a commentary KZbin channel, nice to see the master at work.

[@douglasjeffries4647]

hey Louis it's nice to see that you are still making videos

[@Philip-vd7vo]

for louis (who may not see this, read this or reply to this): I name drop you every time I go to the apple store for the last 3 years and make sure the "genius" knows I know he's or she is bullshitting me and the repair is not fair. to those who arent louis: promote this guy everywhere relevant, I just saw a WSJ video about right to repair and he's the guy, he's our guy!!

[@cindyonurrooftop]

I came here due to a MacBook pro retina screen flickering problem, stayed for the calming voice ☺️

[@do9032]

Thank you Louis for all you do. You make electronic repair easier to understand. Your efforts are well appreciated

[@nexus1972]

'just a small amount of flux' you crack me up every time Louis

[@alanolivas7228]

I love this approach to MacBook repair. Thank you Louis!

[@BIGGOODBOY]

This is the greatest video of all time

[@spaceforce0]

my mans coffee jitters are off the charts today

[@Tom5TomEntertainment]

On average a string is one thread long

[@lynnzi3d]

Looked into upgrading my old time weller and got a Yihua 939D+ and was pleasantly surprised that it came with a Hakko Heater system using T18 Hakko tips 👍🏼

[@nacimhoc]

thank you so much for the wiki, the repair guide and all your great videos

[@sleepib]

Hard to tell from the video, but it looks like that testpoint doesn't go to the resistor, it goes between the resistors and under the chip. Might have connected MISO to MOSI. I think it might still work if the communication is only one way, but you might get some weird issues if there needs to be two way communication.

[@piotr86]

I noticed it too.

[@peterjigstad9755]

Yes, and the trace from the right pin of the resistor is going to somewhere else, higher up on the board, not to the test point.

[@TheMarbeezy]

Thank you for being an EXCELLENT teacher. Cheers

[@TheFilthy13]

Great video as usual ! Love your trouble shooting methods with looking physically at the board for corrosion , then checking voltages with the diagram of what goes where in the terms of voltage rails. Keep the videos coming and the trouble shooting, with all commentary being it technical or just general life talking. And yes I did learn something today :)

[@yourhandlehere1]

I had a 2009 Mac Pro I got for free. Twin Xeons, 16 cores, 48GB ram, ATI Radeon HD 1GB, four 1TB WD Black HDDs. Runs hot as hell. I took the side panel off and stuck a box fan in it. I was running Windows 7 on bootcamp or whatever it's called. When I got my new 3080 rig I gave it to my daughter. Did away with Mac OS entirely and now it's running Windows 10 just fine.

[@andersmmvfc.8376]

So sad i missed you live , but a Lovely video to watch thank you!

[@bradhaines3142]

something that always bothers me about these videos is A1708 means nothing to me, along with every other model number. really appreciate if you could give more like ' 16 inch pro from 2013' or a 'macbook air from 1985' or whatever. or if you dont care, thats fine too. your videos your choice. love your streams wish i could catch them more often. like most of your fans i appreciate your no-sided views on things. youre not particularly left or right, just sane.

[@peacebeuntoyou8934]

18:49 "...a little bit of flux..." lol. You cracked me up man.

[@Drega001]

Louis. I have to say. Thank you

[@danielbatista8760]

Learned something new thank you for the video. Also it depends where you the string

[@MrKardag]

Great lesson Mr Rossman. Thanks

[@NGGPeter]

Wow that troubleshooting article looked like an in-depth automotive service manual

[@DirgeRJ]

Yay! I love the OG video format!

[@Damsmh]

Hey great video man. I have a 2017 mb pro non touchbar. Well yesterday, my mb suddenly stopped charging and noticed it wouldn’t charge when the battery was running extremely low. So now my mb is dead with no power. My mb is super clean compare to this person. I tried resetting the smc but not sure how effective that is with a dead mb. Any suggestions?

[@thetommantom]

Maybe it can be a reactive metal that can wear to a finished state

[@Digithaiz]

DO IT!!! Great work Louis thankyou and thanks Jesse

[@onetotalk]

Just a thought about Apple design flaws: given how often Apple designers place a high power trace next to a sensitive data line trace, have you considered submitting a Standards Improvement Form to IPC specifically detailing in board design how far a high power trace should be from sensitive data line (in any electronics board design), and why? If it were approved then Apple would be violating an accepted, approved IPC standard when they do that.

[@babascustomlegocreations8837]

Are you joking about the $12,500 monthly budget for flux? Seems a bit much considering it only costs $20

[@catonchronic5354]

someone make a repair guide for Taylor ice cream machines

[@arthur321654]

You made a short between the resistor with the wire and the trace adjacent to the resistor. When you were scraping the solder mask you exposed a trace.

[@rossmanngroup]

scraping the solder mask to expose the trace is the entire point

[@arthur321654]

@@rossmanngroup The signal trace (adjacent), to the side. When you soldered the resistor a solder bridge to the adjacent trace (parallel to the resistor) was made. Your video clearly shows the short being made. Look at time stamp 33:00 of your video.

[@VincentTubed]

Thank you Louis! I hope that hand doesn't get worse, give it some workout !

[@zomaardan]

Repair wiki is costing money to view? Nvm it is for free. I look it up asap. Thank you for this awesome upload. I got my hot air station 2 days ago. It all is slow because of my homeless problem but i keep on fighting. Almost everybody tells me i will fail and have very little support and that im a fool. But i will keep on trying to learn. These uploads are so awesome. So much info for free. Im really gradeful to you Louis sir.

[@jacobitosuperstar]

This and the art restoration channel are my work SMR

[@bsbx]

hey louis, just want to tell you i appreciate these videos. i don't know jackshit about repair or even electronics but i just enjoy having these in the background while studying. truly appreciate these stuff. oh, and a beginner's guide too. maybe i can get my iPhone 5s working again.

[@robert357900]

Repair video by Louis? Did someone travel back in time?

[@Paraclete333]

49:55 Louis having to use the microscope to find the link to a guide explaining how this works.

[@Digital-Dan]

Microfiber swabs, flat or pointed, are available and pretty cheap. The OCD in me cringes at the fibers. They're probably mostly harmless, I suppose.

[@andrewgarner2323]

Be honest, how much adderall or other add/ADHD medicine do you use? Your fast talking and incredible shakiness totally gives it away. Just curious how many milligrams you use a day.

[@Drega001]

10:14 Louis: I get a green light to tell me that its on Me: bars

[@OmniscientWarrior]

Looks like Louis took notes from Erica on how to work the camera. I am confused because I thought he was supposed to be teaching her and that was the only direction the training was to be going.

[@PTSinisteR]

Hi, love all you do. Can you make a video for new comers to micros soldering for smartphones /laptops tools think its for for right to reapir if you choose to do it yourself. Thank you.

[@lord_haven1114]

😊

[@alhuno1]

Louis, does repair wiki only applies for hardware repairs? I would contribute for a lot of software issues on some machines that are not well documented. For example, very specific quirks in some laptops that can be fixed or workarounded but is not well documented on the web. I have a document at work with a list of specific issues on specific devices and the fixes to go with them. Not always hardware but I would be very happy to help. For example, I have two models of touchscreen POSes at work that have a very buggy proprietary touchscreen driver but nowhere on the web is said that you can actually uninstall their proprietary drivers (which also causes BSODs) and force Windows to use its one multi touch HID driver which actually works. The company charges extra if you want a multitouch screen instead on single touch but just getting rid of their drivers removes that limitation.

[@rossmanngroup]

Listen to my announcement again :)

[@bradhaines3142]

woww a driver specifically to limit the abilities of it, hard to believe i was suprised by it

[@Pokebilities]

They put brownie batter in it to make some brownies

[@stevenhatcher3046]

Hey louis, which soldering iron do you like best? I see you have Hakko in the background, is that your favorite? Or do you use something different for yourself, and let your employees use the Hakko?

[@gundamzeta3447]

To answer the question how long is a piece of string first you need to find what all lengths have in common which is a value and then find something all values have in common which they have a value that is half of theirs so the answer to how long is a piece of string is twice as long as half it’s length lol.

[@stevensnowdon9694]

A piece of string is twice times half it's length long is the best answer.

[@mat199622]

19:00 I could see Paul horrified expression at that one. :D

[@nightSkyacc]

love these videos thanks my man

[@mickeyBtsv]

0:13 "How long is a piece of string?"... Answer is twice as long as half of it 😂

[@DanielMelendrezPhD]

Rossmann camera tips

[@darrelthomas8270]

Thanks Louis -

[@lynnetalarico1412]

Prob won't get an answer cause i'm late watching after the fact but is that board really that dirty? I know its magnified but it looks like it didn't get cleaned after assembly

[@thextremeking]

Can you send the stuff you scraped off to a lab for analysis? I need to know! :)

[@JRDev4All]

This is certainly the sort of thing that I would never be able to do, as I don’t have a working pair of eyes. I think about the only thing that I could maybe do is do a battery swap on my 2016 Touch Bar 15 inch MacBook Pro, but Apple being Apple, (to my knowledge at least) Requires proprietary Apple software to get it to work

[@noname-nd8ec]

The distance when straightened, from one end to the other.

[@ParagTechVideos]

Amazing work man..I am from India and Many people who i know owns a iPhone which is too expensive and does not add any value. They are hard to Repair as well so thats why i am not a fan of Apple

[@boblablablaw6677]

Adding comment for for the algo's. Love your work! Keep up the good fight!

[@svapoesmart5004]

Great job !

[@justaman9564]

Called Apple to get my iPad fixed they asked if I wanted an Apple store or a registered technician, ‘I asked is it Louis Rossman?’, she replied, ‘I don’t know’, lol.

[@stephenhannah6510]

Ok so my MacBook Pro A1708 just died, took it to Apple they sent it away I was told it needed a new logic board at £600, told them I didn’t want to go ahead, was going to give it a go myself after watching all Louis’s videos, just picked it up and lo and behold it’s now working as normal despite having nothing done to it…😂😂

[@yourfilmindustry]

19:16 ah yes the small™ amount of flux

[@HexerPsy]

11:00 Starting to feel like I am back in college xD Yes, professor! Thats good, this is bad, that wont last - got it!

[@slagrajag]

How long is a piece of string? twice the distance from the middle to the end.

[@Delimon007]

I'm here so louis stops complaining about us not showing up to his repair videos LOL

[@Martin-uy9ks]

Rapid cool technology. -Badabing!

[@mluna]

Do you guys fix Lenovo? I have a t410 that turns off randomly, even in the Bios. Not a temperature thing. I read that is a voltage regulator issue.

[@arsenicjones9125]

Louis: walk me thru how this machine charges Me: it doesn’t that’s why we’re gonna repair it

[@peterquill9796]

I GOT THE SAME MOUSE!! M570 Gang!!

[@Paul-IE-Repairs]

that resistor looks like it is bridging the solder to the lower trace

[@ahmedfareedmodack8121]

Hi I bought a brand new Mac book pro in 2021 I opened it today and it doesn’t want to charge, and doesn’t work without the charger

[@mr.potato9449]

Luis, Apple give customers refurb boards they have refurbed because they are reliable as they have not done any single component repair because they've repaired many things on it so the more they've had to repair the more reliable it is :D