CityBug Gears, Wont Change From 2nd to 1st When Moving Citroen C1 Peugeot 107 Toyota Aygo

[@demelitia]

A little blip of the throttle with the clutch pedal down will help raise the input shaft side of things and allow it to match with the output shaft side, helping with gear meshing and causing the car to be more settled. It’s especially handy when it’s snowing or conditions are less than ideal.

[@aaanton11]

Thanks for the great information👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@strawberrysoup202]

Thank you! In this video you taught me way more about driving than I learned in driving school

[@aaanton11]

😂Glad I could help! Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@colinbailey6494]

I always wondered why that was! When I got my used Aygo I thought it was a fault, until I changed the clutch and then found the gear selector cable was joint in 4 places with metal cable clips! Someone was obviously hammering away at getting that gear stick into 1st? 😂 I wish I had kept the gear selector cable and added a photo? Unbelievable! Thanks for the great vid btw 👍

[@aaanton11]

Thanks Colin for the great information👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@paulharris7694]

Oil plays a huge part. I can easily go from 2nd to 1st now @ 10mph in an Aygo that was incredibly notchy to get into 1st when cold. When you get a new clutch, a lot of garages still stick EP90 into the box. 30 years ago no issue, but today’s boxes need much less viscous oil. As the synchros polish with use, the thicker oil makes it more difficult for the rings to gain adhesion. Swapping mine to Red Line MT-LV (their thinest SAE 70W/75W and much more effective than either low viscosity Toyota or Castrol oil), made a huge difference. Not the easiest to get hold of, but well worth the effort…

[@aaanton11]

Thanks Paul for the great information👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@LOREGUINNESS]

Thanks for sharing. I have a 2008 Aygo from the birth and I cannot remember the day when it switched well from 2nd to 1st. It goes better when It Is warm so the reasoning makes sense. Maybe I will try It in the future. Best.

[@Spazzumiera]

So you suggest a "70W75" oil instead of a "75W80" ? Update: look what i found! For the most part these are SAE 75W-80 and 75W-85 oils, although the 75W-85 fits well in cars where SAE 80 were required. Too thin for most classic cars, but necessary for modern cars. The additive package uses magnesium or calcium sulfonate compounds and often synthetic base oil, and will give you better EP protection than a GL-4 sulfur/phosphorous oil. Many of these claim GL-4+ performance and pass most of the old GL-5 and SAE J2360 extreme pressure tests, but additionally pass manufacturers tests for synchronization. The problems of where to apply them lie with the auto manufacturers, where, for example, Toyota specifies in their owner’s manual, their SAE 75W without defining the rest of it. Oil sales people will sell you 75W-90, but what Toyota is really asking for is 75W-85 without sulfur/phosphorous. From the comments I receive, a standard SAE 75W-90 GL-4 does cause hard shifting and grinding in these Toyotas in 70ºF weather.

[@rezangyalos]

@@Spazzumiera wow, thank you. Sad that my toyota aygo just got written off. Would have had changed the oil in it at least...

[@rezangyalos]

@@LOREGUINNESS good to know. Apparently the newer ones, born in 2014 and up are better regarding changing 1st, 2nd gears.

[@avocado71]

I was always taught never to move into first gear whilst moving, if you're even crawling you should use 2nd.

[@Herbertti3]

2nd is darn long in these cars, can't go very slow with it.

[@aaanton11]

I have to agree with HolyDr1ver the clutch would be like the one in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/enKZqquOgqZqb9k if you slipped in 2nd, Thanks Andrew for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@avocado71]

@@aaanton11 good point, maybe the long 2nd gear is exacerbating the problem.

[@olliecole7163]

Thank you so much, this is super helpful, wish they taught me this when I was learning to drive. Good job I learnt this sooner rather than later when my gearbox is knackered

[@aaanton11]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@pauljai7151]

Had the same issue with my daughters 107, as you said it's annoying at 1st but once you work it out it didn't really bother me. But good to know what the cause is as I changed the gear change and cables which obviously changed nothing

[@aaanton11]

I swapped a Gearbox on an Aygo to rectify this issue, we have got used to the 107 but it is definitely harder on the clutch, when that wears out I will replace the synchro, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@petergee162]

You should never never ever change down to 1st gear when already moving. 1st gear is for moving off from a standstill only.

[@aaanton11]

Peter, I totally disagree. You might have a point if I were driving a diesel vehicle or a petrol vehicle with a larger engine, but these little city bugs need a bit of help from the 1st gear occasionally. However, I appreciate your comments 👍🏻👍🏻🛠🛠

[@petergee162]

When I was taught to drive Back in the 80’s you were taught to change down when approaching a junction, traffic lights, give way Etc, but NEVER to drop down into 1st. Going on from the 80’s when I did my advanced driving, you were then taught not to change down, but instead to balance the clutch and brake using the brake and clutch more progressively. A new set of discs and pads is a damn site cheaper than a new clutch or gearbox

[@infidelcastro5129]

It’s perfectly acceptable to go into first whilst still moving, as long as you’re going no faster than walking pace. If you don’t go into first, you end up stopping unnecessarily at junctions and failing your test and/or holding up traffic for no good reason.

[@Tayfunnny]

I can kind of agree with this comment, I have C1 and use it everyday, I think the second gear manages the low speeds very well.I don't know how is yours but in mine the first gear has the similar sound as the reverse gear,so I have the thought that it's first gear designed quite different than other cars. So I often use the first gear for the first movement.As a user ,I feel like using it this way is healthier for the gearbox.

[@alexmanojlovic768]

​@@petergee162then you get millions of average drivers braking on snow/ice during winter down from moderate speeds, due to habit/mindless indoctrination/muscle memory/autopilot when they should be going through the gears!! I've seen crashes happen because of 1d10ts following this "Badvice"!!. Make it instinct to go down through the gears, many innocents will thank you in severe winters...

[@EppingForest304]

Nowadays driving instructors teach ‘block’ gear changes, which is skipping some gear changes as you speed-up or slow down.

[@aaanton11]

Terrible news for the gearboxes, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@hileavcs2259]

Thank you very much for it lad. Greetings from Denmark!

[@aaanton11]

Glad it helped Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@keithletheren196]

Would be great if you could do a vid on how to change gear box oil as I believe it’s supposed to be done every 60k miles?

[@aaanton11]

its all in this video, I replace the gear box, kzbin.info/www/bejne/haWxdIyJrLqZrsU Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@Dino.808]

Great advice. And a money saver.

[@aaanton11]

Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@paulsims1582]

Very interesting video. As an experienced driver and know a little about cars, i prefer to slow down and go through 3rd gear as well as breaking to ensure even wear on clutch, gearbox and brakes. Which probably makes for a more comfortable drive. Also over selecting gears will wear out your diaphragm on the clutch cover

[@aaanton11]

It's more about not dropping to 2nd and 1st too soon over working the synchromesh, but you are correct, drop through the gears whilst braking in my book is correct driving. Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@Herbertti3]

My dad teached me to drive way you explained from get go.

[@aaanton11]

Top Dad,🛠 Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@brownsauce30]

Just bought aygo thanks for the excellent tuition great ❤😊

[@aaanton11]

You’re welcome 😊 Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@questioneverything3026]

Great video, just about to attempt new rear shoes on my Aygo, I have an issue similar to this but my issue is it doesn't like going into first, Normally at a standstill you really have to put a lot of force to get it in gear, More than any of the other gears, I lubed all the moving parts on the gearbox, when i changed the clutch, it has about 80,000 miles on it, Is there something like a cable lubing trick or a bushing that dries out ?, Sometimes it doesn't even want to go into gear at all, Is my first gear synchro worn ?, As obviously the engine is spinning when the car is stationary and is less likely to engage if worn, Just some advice would be much appreciated.

[@aaanton11]

If the car is still, and the clutch is adjusted correctly but 1st is not going in, I would suspect a gear box issue, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@kampatel99]

I've just purchased a 2013 Citroen C1 for my daughter. The car is very nice except that the clutch is very tight initially. Once your driving around it seems to becomes less noticeable. Any ideas mate? I can see your videos and comments will be very helpful for maintaining my daughters C1 .

[@aaanton11]

Firstly check the clutch cable adjustment like in this video kzbin.info/www/bejne/qpvEZItroc6mpbM Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@thomthomas08]

How is this an issue? I was told never to shift into first gear when the car is moving. 1st gear is only used to drive away. soon as you picked up speed you shift to 2nd. if the car is still rolling you can keep the car in 2nd gear. i think its really bad for your gearbox if you keep doing that. just change the way you drive. i have no problems like these whatsoever on my c1.

[@aaanton11]

The point being you should be able to select 1st from 2nd when moving, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@thomthomas08]

@@aaanton11 But thats not good for the clutch..

[@hardworker8030]

@@thomthomas08 I see a lot of people driving forward then put it in reverse. I was always taught put it in first or reverse when stopped.

[@chrisrag1346]

Seems to me what's wrong is the driving instructors don't teach properly anymore! I've always gone down the gears, old school ways, never go all the way down to 1st gear . first gear when you come to a halt. only time I will go into first while moving is when I'm riding the motorcycle and that's because motorcycle gearboxes work differently .

[@aaanton11]

With these small engines there is little low down torque, so sometimes when approaching a junction is good to be in first gear to be able to pull out quickly, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@jusb1066]

I've had about six manual cars. Including Aygo, none of them go into first gear when moving

[@aaanton11]

It is a common issue, the like I said modern driving styles don't help the cause, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@fremenondesand3896]

I've had this issue, when I come to a standstill then I can clunk it into first, but as a habit I've gone to second, get just to the point it's juddery, go neutral then footbrake until I come to a complete stop. Then go second. I didn't realise that I was double declutching.

[@aaanton11]

You do get used to driving like that, it becomes second nature, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@SidTheBudgie]

Changing down from second to first gear either when approaching a junction (where the cars in front haven't actually make a complete stop, but it's too slow a speed to pull away in second - it's less than 10mph), or on a steep hill where a 20mph speed limit just doesn't allow me to keep going in second if I want to get to the top(!), is a bit hit and miss in my '09 Aygo. Sometimes it's a really smooth easy change (especially if I've been driving a bit and the engine is warmer - certainly the first gear change is pretty 'sticky'), but other times it just won't go in unless I double declutch, which is not something I've ever had to do on any of my previous cars. I did 'crunch' first gear from a standing start the other day, even though the clutch was pressed fully to the floor. Could this be down to the oil (given that it is less of a problem when the engine is warmer), or is it a sign that I'm going to need to fork out for replacement parts some point soon?

[@aaanton11]

sounds like the box is wearing, definitely Wirth changing the oil but this might be the next step kzbin.info/www/bejne/hZy4iHiJidxsl6s Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@sanjayp2683]

Hey man, can you a video on the citybugs clunky gear selector cables?

[@aaanton11]

I will add it to the list, Thanks Sanjay for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@SuperVitz]

@@aaanton11 consider fitting brass or polyurethane bushings on the cables and cradle

[@williamcox6054]

Love the video. One question: i have recently had a new clutch fitted in my peugeot 107 but having gear box issues now and is really frustrating. At the moment i can change between gears but get a crunch going from 1st to 2nd and then 2nd to 3rd sounds like something is in the way. Any ideas what this could be? 3rd to 4th and 4th to 5th are okay and the cruching gets ever so slightly better after ive drove for a bit. One other thing that might be related is that there is a horrible sqeeling sound in the mornings , especially when i go forward slightly and goes away after 20 seconds or so . Any help is much appreciated as my mechanic doesnt have a clue. Thanks, will.

[@aaanton11]

Sounds like you might have a faulty release bearing in the clutch, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@wojciechwegrzyn9926]

Lovely explained. I know it's quite old video but if you read this comment by any chance, why engaging reverse gear can be tricky and noisy? Sometimes it goes smooth sometimes it's one big khrrrrrrrrr. Is it just common in city bug or is there any trick to engage reverse?

[@aaanton11]

There is no synchromesh on reverse so the shafts in the box need to be still or you will get the dreaded crunch, if the clutch is dragging, this will happen all the time. Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@johncarr1358]

Thanx for your video mate . Iv got a little c1 and its flys !

[@aaanton11]

Enjoy it, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@ferenczsinko6770]

Not sure if synchromesh or not. 145,000 miles, car new to me, fault present when purchased Pug 107 1 litre 2006. Sometimes, more than often it wont engage first with engine running. Turn engine off and then engage first and then it slips in and out perfectly. All other gears fine. Lubbed up gearstick ball joint and drained the oil and refilled. A little better but not much. Could it be the control arm ? Sometimes when it wont engage first, I turn the engine off and then after a couple of attempts the gear selector will go in and out of 1st. This I can do all day long whilst engine off. As soon as I move off and then try and engage 1st again from stand still with engine running, more than often it refuses to engage 1st. No grinding noises. All gears smooth when its OK. No signs of metal debris in the drained gearbox oil. I am hoping its just the linkage ?? Thoughts please :(

[@aaanton11]

sounds like the clutch isn't clearing, try adjusting Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@ferenczsinko6770]

@@aaanton11

[@seanbullmusic]

Hi Ant, I have a problem very similar to the one you speak of, the only difference is my Aygo doesn't go from 3rd back down to 2nd or 1st. It goes up through the gears lovely, just going down through the box. Should I try changing the oil in the box before I start going down the route of a new gearbox. My car has done 80k miles roughly. Thanks 👍

[@aaanton11]

Yes oil change 1st, also check the clutch is clearing and not dragging, you need the freeplay at the top of the clutch pedal, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@davidwilliams8630]

Thanks the video. I've saved your Citibug playlist for refefrence. I have just bought my daughter a 107 as her first car. The issue I have noticed is there is a bit of play or sloppiness with the best shift. Seems others have mentioned this on other videos on YT. I have seen some people out a. Opulent screws in the mechanism at the bottom of the year stick! Is there a better way of doing it? Have you had the same issue and any ideas of a fix or doing a video?

[@aaanton11]

I will be doing a video at some point on this issue, I like the bad obsession motorsport repair on the c1 race car with the same issue, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@davidwilliams8630]

Thanks, appreciate it. Apologies for the autocorrect in my first comments ! Luckily you knew what I was talking about

[@mickeytheviewmoo]

I was always told to use gears to slow down reducing brake wear. Guess I'm old school

[@aaanton11]

Same, definitely the best way, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@johncarr1358]

Yeah that's right 2nd gear ! My instructor said always 2nd gear! So hes wrong there. Plus I cant put I'm gear in to 1st ! No matter what . Even if I go down in the gears ! Nice video still bad info tho

[@aaanton11]

Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@fpolat5910]

Hey, can you make a video on a squeeky clutch pedal? Every time i press the clutch on my aygo it makes an annoying squeeky sound. Thanks

[@aaanton11]

if the noise is inside the car just squirt lube around the pedal pivot, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@fpolat5910]

@@aaanton11 alright thanks will try out

[@nayosparks]

I have the same thing with my aygo, different passengers of mine described it as the following: A frog in my pedal,, pressing on a dogtoy or a cat meowing

[@barriewilliams4526]

Usually, the problem is the nut holding the wheel🙃

[@aaanton11]

😂 Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@danb7001]

As someone who was recently taught to block change down, does going through the gears for the reasons you provided require you to come off the clutch to reduce the wear or literally just moving the selector? My C1 struggles to go into 2nd above 10mph and 1st while moving at all and I'm looking to make the most of a bad situation. Thanks

[@aaanton11]

You don’t have to come off the clutch during each selection that don’t go between the gears too quickly otherwise that will have the same effect of spalling too fast you need to change down according to the speed you are travelling it does sound like your second gear synchro might be worn but it is not a massive issue xx

[@mikeallan7814]

Anton i have one question can you tell me your opinion? I recently changed the gearbox oil with a 75w-90 synthetic oil, and I've noticed that the car goes not so well as before the performance is little worse than before,i can feel it it goes more heavily.do you think its because of the thickness of the oil? I put what the manual says.75w-85 or 75w-90.also do you think after driving some km it'll be as before?? What is your opinion? Here i wan t to say that i also replaced the clutch disc set..

[@aaanton11]

It has to be the api GL4 75w80 fully synthetic oil the gl4 bit is important Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@mikeallan7814]

@@aaanton11 thank you my friend!! I had already bought them,75w-80 gl4 and tomorrow would be the big day!! Thank you for your answer! 👏👍

[@tsb3093]

Most cars don’t have synchromesh in first gear....if you want to go into first from second gear then double declutch.

[@aaanton11]

I cant name a car that doesn't have a 1st-2nd synchro can you? Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@tsb3093]

@@aaanton11 you mean a second to first synchro I guess....well my old Alfa Romeo for sure. I dare say a lot of modern cars might have a first gear synchromesh but 2011 is the newest car I’ve ever owned and I have cars from the late sixties so my experience might be skewed.

[@alaaeldingalaaeldin908]

hello could you please do video how to change the hood cable and the seat belt buckle please opel corsa D

[@aaanton11]

I will add it to the list Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@alaaeldingalaaeldin908]

@@aaanton11 thank you for the reply you really deserved every good comment you have received thank you for making it easier to all of us

[@michaelrobinson5598]

Hi Mate I have a similar question but the opposite away around. when im setting off 1st and 2nd are fine but when i give it some revs to kick on in 3rd its no longer a 1 to 1 ratio of revs to drive.... i get high revs and no speed and then it bites/engages and i get the acceleration coinciding with the revs. ive adjusted the clutch so the pedal is loose before i meet resistance. My question is, is this normal for these cars or is my clutch slipping?? for me in all the other cars ive owned and driven the acceleration engages as soon as ive changed gear but for me in my 2006 C1 (which ive only had a month) the revs go somewhat off the scale starting at 3rd before the speedo catches up ....

[@aaanton11]

your clutch is slipping and will soon need replacing, like in this video, kzbin.info/www/bejne/enKZqquOgqZqb9k Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@jxmes6476]

Mine is struggling to go from neutral to 1st, 2nd to 3rd and 3rd to 2nd. Any ideas?

[@aaanton11]

Clutch dragging, might be an adjustment issue, I have many videos on this subject, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@jxmes6476]

@@aaanton11 I adjusted it using the nut going clockwise and it's improved but still not ideal

[@TheMinimancjb34]

Mine has trouble going from 3rd to second and it's a nightmare to get it into first even when sitting still it makes a horrible crunching sound when it does go in

[@aaanton11]

sounds like the clutch needs adjusting, I have a video on that Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@TheMinimancjb34]

@@aaanton11 oh thank god I thought I needed a £200 gearbox

[@gavjlewis]

Poor maintenance also doesn't help. Never use GL5 gear oil in these gearboxes only use GL4. Mine slips into 1st no problems and I have done 178k miles.

[@aaanton11]

I think you have a great point there Gav, the correct oil is very important, plus you must be a good driver, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@adampoultney8737]

My car recently developed this issue, I don't think the double clutch trick is working

[@aaanton11]

Gear box swap needed, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@herrhorst5453]

Most of the time I double clutch to manually synchronise the gears.

[@aaanton11]

Thanks for the great information👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@toshostankovski9920]

is that a problem for all citroen ? I have citroen c1 2009 for now everything itsh good ?

[@aaanton11]

if you drive it correctly it will last indefinitely, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@marksmith3469]

That means then dont buy a car off a young driver no disrespect to young drivers by the way it's how they are taught I was taught 4 to 2 that was nearly 30 years ago

[@rayc1503]

30 years ago I was still in diapers. Best to keep a pair on whilst I'm driving 😜.

[@aaanton11]

There are so many contradictions, but the bottom line is if you change down through the gears, it will save wear on the 2nd-1st synchromesh, I prefer driving that way as you are always in the right gear to pull away instantly, Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@tigerstripemark6973]

I have 2010 c1 my issue is slightly crunchy gears in 2nd 3rd until ive been driving a while then seems to be ok i would like to know if anyone else has had this issue ,oh and its a brand new clutch in aswell

[@aaanton11]

Was it crunching before the clutch was fitted? Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@nothingmuch.3014]

This annoyed me when I first started driving the C1, but I got used to it. I thought that was just the way all citybugs were. Also, there's an easy way to turn that seatbelt chime off.

[@rayc1503]

You can buy a through clip for the seatbelt buckle. Basically stays clipped into the holder to stop the annoying beep. If you ever need to use the seatbelt it can just be clipped into the buckle extension holder.

[@aaanton11]

You get used to these issues, and if you can drive accordingly it is not a problem, I always try to use the seat belt, bit the gadget in the comments sounds interesting, would work great when the dog is in the car. Thanks for the great comments👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@nothingmuch.3014]

@@rayc1503 There's a way to disable it on citybugs by buckling/unbuckling the seatbelt & pressing the trip button in a certain order.

[@aaanton11]

Didn’t know that will be interested to find out more, thanks 👍🏻👍🏻🛠

[@thomthomas08]

or just dont disable the chime and save your life