AAC 5.56x45mm, 77gr OTM, MK262 Mod 1 Clone!

[@BuffRANGE]

Mike over at MrGunsNGear did gel testing: kzbin.info/www/bejne/o3WZdmmsotGqf6M

[@jastram6pac]

hi, is there a vid on the armor slayer rifle? i think it would scream with that 223 norma 50 fmj or win 45 jhp

[@BuffRANGE]

@@jastram6pac it’s used in pretty much all hard Armor tests :)

[@jackjohnson291]

I welcome the competition in the 77gr OTM market with open arms.

[@georgewashington7312]

We all do!

[@stevenbenedetti7694]

*creed plays in the background*

[@georgewashington7312]

@@stevenbenedetti7694 With arms wide open🎼🤣👍🏻

[@chuckkuang91]

@@stevenbenedetti7694 it’s stuck in my head now

[@rednecksniper4715]

Yeah nothing will beat Black Hills Mk262 BUT if someone can get within .25” at 100 yards and within 50fps standard deviation for half the price good enough for me

[@SnapD24]

Dude, I've been testing this ammo since its release. It's amazing. Like ridiculously amazing for the price. The muzzle velocity and the accuracy have been truly impressive for me. This has been across different lot numbers from what I can tell as well. EDIT: I'm a little shocked by Buffman's numbers. Even out of an 18" barrel I've been averaging 2704 fps. From a 20" I've been getting 2740 fps.

[@BuffRANGE]

They really are cranking out some good stuff!

[@jackjohnson291]

Altitude and atmospheric conditions could play into that some.

[@12thmonkeyy]

How much is it?

[@BuffRANGE]

@@12thmonkeyy $15/box :D bit.ly/3t7o4Fn

[@SnapD24]

@@jackjohnson291 I think you're right. Just based on the temperature sensitivity that Strelok calculated, it seems about right without even adjusting for elevation.

[@isaiahaguilar5977]

This channel is highly underrated.

[@raystephens2078]

I’ve used AAC 77 grain and 55 grain and have found them very consistent and accurate in my particular AR. AAC has become my go-to ammunition of choice.

[@ReticentIndignation]

Hell yeah, the review I'd been wanting since I saw it on sale for 75 cents a round at PSA. These videos and links are greatly appreciated. Thank you sir!

[@BuffRANGE]

Glad to help!

[@ServantoftheLord10565]

Same, i seen these for .75 a round. Great deal!

[@Ominous-t9i]

@@ServantoftheLord10565 On sale for .55 a round right now

[@varcaic9170]

the goat with some more knowledge for us.

[@SW-ii5gg]

Thanks for sharing, I am glad that you are around for the community.

[@BuffRANGE]

My pleasure !

[@densons7mx733]

I'm sure you've heard this before, but thank you for using different barrel lengths. A new subscriber just because of that! Stay safe.

[@BuffRANGE]

You are most welcomed. It’s cost me a small fortune to have many barrel lengths but I feel that data is necessary :)

[@07zx14White]

This looks like a solid option. I appreciate the review. I still have 200-300 rounds of the Pine Valley 77gr BTHP that I absolutely love. Knowing I can't get any more of it, I just keep it in my go-to emergency mags. It shoots so well for me and the gel test reviews were devastating. Wish they were still around. Anyway, thanks again for showing me another possible option.

[@SnapD24]

What happened to them? I loved their 77 gr stuff as well.

[@BuffRANGE]

Supplier cut them off even though they had guaranteed signed contracts and then PVM went bankrupt because they had no supplies..

[@theswinginrichard]

Thanks Buffman, appreciate the data points. Will be picking some of this up.

[@ChristianGrest]

Been wanting to try some of this stuff out. Definitely impressive for the price! Thanks for the review on this stuff.

[@BuffRANGE]

My pleasure!

[@BuckeyeBallistics]

My guy, I come here everytime I want to see a review on a 5.56 load. Seen these on sale for $10.99 today and came here to see if they were any good 👍

[@BuffRANGE]

Awesome.

[@robbabcock_]

Nice review! I wondered if I was just missing it as I hadn't seen AAC stuff before about a year ago. Looks like a good option and the price is appealing.

[@MrNOAH504]

Thank you for this video. Just the information that I was looking for. I'll definitely be getting some of the AAC!

[@BuffRANGE]

You are most welcome! If you need the link > bit.ly/3t7o4Fn

[@MrNOAH504]

@@BuffRANGE Thank you!

[@unclefreedom213]

sig stuff is a little light in the velocity department but you have intrigued me I just ordered 300 rounds of it to test in my own platforms. Mk262 still the standard but my handloads will give it a run

[@foolicooli]

Interesting how those 5.56 aac are able to achieve max velocity out of a much shorter barrel than say a standard green tip 5.56. so running a shorter barrel seems like a nice ammo choice. But I would like a little more powder personally.

[@hopewilliams6705]

I have been waiting for this!!! Thank you

[@ckiefner715]

Just bought 10 boxes thanks for the review again!

[@robertm8401]

Been waiting for a review of this exact load! Will pickup some next week and see if it outshoots PPU 75gr out of my barrel.

[@shark_actual]

I picked up a few boxes of this, excited to try it out at the range!

[@Fister_of_Muppets]

FWIW, I shot the AAC SMK's out of my 18" BA 1:8 twist barrel and also got 2630 fps. Groups were sub-MOA. IMI and Black Hills out of the same barrel get 2740 and 2750 respectively, all sub-MOA. I prefer the IMI as a good comprimise of velocity/accuracy/price.

[@BuffRANGE]

Good Data.

[@ABowlofPho]

I managed to grab some velocity readings of this ammunition out of my 16" AR today. For this ammo using the SMKs, I managed to get 2696 FPS with a 10 round average with an extreme spread of 74 and a standard deviation of 21.41. I don't think I've seen it on your channel yet, but I'd like to see what you get using AAC's 77 grainers using their own OTMs. Consistency for the rounds seemed all over the place, average velocity of 2673 but with an extreme spread of 138 and a standard deviation of 45.12. More data points would always be appreciated.

[@BuffRANGE]

I have a bit of it. Just waiting for time to test.

[@Barnes-ml9wg]

Wasn't their 77gr destroying suppresors a while back?

[@Jason32Bourne]

Just tested the inhouse bullet version of this today with a new Caldwell chrono. Results: 2650 FPS average. Conditions: 16Inch 5.56 ar. 65F. 5,000 ASL.

[@robertcairney9725]

I haven't had an opportunity to use the 5.56 yet but I have been using the 9mm FMJ 115 since it came out and I LOVE that ammo.

[@scott2228]

Just ordered 6 boxes. Looking forward to running it in my 18” 223 Wylde.

[@Kg363]

Not to add more work for you, but comparing muzzle flash at night of different loads would be really good info. Thanks for what you do.

[@TisiphonesShadow]

Wow. Good accuracy, half the price of everything else.

[@hersheyroseman4508]

Dude the trigger on the RDB is miles ahead better than the hellion and ambi friendly . Also super good Suppressed

[@BuffRANGE]

Keltec always has pretty good triggers!

[@russhayes4882]

Great stuff !

[@BuffRANGE]

:D

[@johnw4999]

I really like the IMI and will accept a tad reduction in accuracy for the sealant feature. I’m interested in this AAC load to shoot fairly regularly.

[@johnw4999]

Though there’s no sealant, I placed 5 cartridges in water for a few hours shy of 23 days. The cartridges fired as designed.

[@maddantt7757]

Thanks, Matt

[@Minutes-Mils]

Been waiting to see your review on this stuff, wanted to see if the velocity is good to go 👍 You da man Matt 💪 Now that I finished the video, that velocity was a bit disappointing, I'll stick with imi or Hornaday 75s

[@BuffRANGE]

Let them know they should improve the loading. When PVM first came out with the MK262 clone they were in the same boat. It was very accurate, but the IMI and BH gold standards still put out more speed and as good of accuracy. Maybe AAC just needs to find a better powder for velocity. Or it's also possible my elevation/chrono is under reporting :D

[@Minutes-Mils]

@@BuffRANGE will do my man

[@davidnuxoll7074]

To me IMI is the hottest load out of the 77 OTMs. I recently ordered a box of black hills 77gr OTMs and the quality is better with IMI. I use this AAC is more target/training ammo and not serious self defense ammo. For $14.99 a box and SMK bullets I see no down sides. This AAC does shoot soft though compared to the Hornady 75gr offering from AAC.

[@BuffRANGE]

I need to get some of the 75gr in to test. Hopefully Josiah/Jamin see the working being done and don't cut me off with all these requests I make :D

[@forkthepork]

Is this marketed as self defense ammo? Seems like a soft point or frangible bullet would be preferred for that...

[@davidnuxoll7074]

@@forkthepork this ammo is attempting to replicate mk262 which the military designed for the mk12 rifle. MK262 ammo was the ammo used to put down Bin Laden.

[@forkthepork]

@@davidnuxoll7074 yeah. That's not ideal for SD. The military has their own parameters for combat rounds. We civilians can have better stuff.

[@DutchK75]

@@forkthepork 77g OTM's do a lot of damage. Before M855a1 and Mk318 came out the 77g OTM's were used. And do well on soft targets.

[@walkerburt8814]

Psa upped the speed of these loads for sure, I chonographed IMI 77 and AAC 77 and with a 10.3” barrel. I saw 2395 FPS with AAC AND 2390 FPS with

[@ebhsports6251]

Black Hills is hard to get , it sells out quick. But it's consistently accurate and is why it sells out so fast.

[@marzcapone9939]

Midway has some, $1.68 per round. Can only buy one box, 50 rounds

[@frawdulent]

Love the TSUSA sticker! They’re my primary ammo source.

[@BuffRANGE]

They are good people :) all those stickers Are from good people :)

[@Tony_Seed]

I just finished testing this stuff and it’s awesome!

[@vodekz1534]

5.56 Nato For comparison my hand loads with 77gt OTM: 10.3 barrel: 2330 FPS, 16-inch barrel 2630 FPS. Both barrels are Daniel Defense. With 70 gr TSX with 10.3 inches 2500 FPS, and 16 inches 2890 FPS. All loads are accurate at less than 1 inch at 100 yards. 77 gr OTM works great with a 1:7 twist. Great bullet

[@chrischiampo7647]

No Way I’m Getting Some From PSA That’s Awesome 😀😊😊😊😊😀❤️👍🏼

[@robertdole5391]

I like the shark fin beanie tag look.

[@trentmckenzie343]

I’d love to see some ballistics gel tests on these as well as their Sabre Blade Black tips

[@BuffRANGE]

I've done a lot of 77gr Sierra OTM gel videos. It's terminal affects can be very inconsistent. Sometimes it will upset quickly other times it wont. Here was a gel test of the non cannelure version from awhile back. SBBT variant gel tests are planned :D kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-Yn4Zohqmrj7M

[@kirkwest6654]

I'm a lefty as well. If they get that trigger issue on the hellion fixed I'll consider getting one but everyone says it's a trash trigger.

[@guardianminifarm8005]

Sure appreciate the great content & data. Good stuff.

[@BuffRANGE]

My pleasure!

[@AKS-74U]

I've heard somewhere that 77gr bullets are actually really decent out of short barrels for terminal effectiveness. Instead of relying on velocity and fragging, you get much better tumbling. Kind of like 5.45 with its long bullets

[@totenfurwotan4478]

They are, they fragment at lower Velocities then 55gr

[@AKS-74U]

@@totenfurwotan4478 I don't think the 77gr frags any easier. It's the tumbling.

[@totenfurwotan4478]

@@AKS-74U no it does. The hollow tip decreases required velocity for frag. Shit the 77gr TMKs still frag at like 2300 FPS. You’d never get that from 55gr m193 or m855

[@Quicks1lvr]

Thanks for doing this test with multiple barrel lengths. Maybe I need to tone down my 75 grain reloads with CFE223 since I'm using it with a 16" and my best accuracy has been right around the 2,500 fps mark. Which is pretty close to what you averaged with this factory ammo out of the Helion. I've gone faster, but the accuracy drops with the ball powder. RMR makes a good cheap 75 grain projectile. Cheaper than Hornady 75 bthp, and groups better in my 516 Patrol.

[@JM7284]

There's always that guy that has to comment about his reloads when looking at what factory is doing... Enjoy your reloading. It has a place.

[@Albinosnake1997]

Imi is still the closest to blackhills as far as real velocity goes

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed IMI is. Some don't have good luck with IMI so YMMV

[@prototype3a]

Where can I see the gel testing for the 77gr SMK ?

[@BuffRANGE]

This is the MK262 Mod 0 version: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-Yn4Zohqmrj7M Testing Andrew did on the IMI version. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pqvMlKpmhp17iMk

[@Enjoyer.762]

I would say this is solidly in the training purpose category. Train with this and stash away the Black Hills and IMI 77gr stuff for home defense.

[@BuffRANGE]

Right on!

[@Enjoyer.762]

@Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Flash was very minimal from the short barrels too which was surprising.

[@Enjoyer.762]

@Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. Democrats are going after your semi-autos in Michigan. Didn't take long after they won your state elections. kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZnjOqYWbj5WcY6s

[@spydercomonkey]

Great review as always. Bummer to see this is a bit slower then the other offerings. If you get a chance to try their new 55gr VMAX, that would be cool. Also, how are you liking the VHS-2?

[@BuffRANGE]

I just got the VHS2 in. My only complaint so far is the safety (but I'm used to AR safety), and the horrible trigger pull and break. Otherwise they made this STUPID easy to take apart.

[@therealbzee]

Thanks for the info

[@BuffRANGE]

No problem 👍

[@brudamiranda3314]

Good 1 budsz! Love it XOXO

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks so much!!

[@AA-dn8dj]

AAC is Palmetto State Armories ammo company right?

[@jackjohnson291]

To my understanding, yes.

[@AA-dn8dj]

@@jackjohnson291 cool thanks, I wonder if this stuff will ever be 50 cpr. I'd love some mk 262

[@BuffRANGE]

Technically PSA and AAC are separate companies owned by JJE Capital Holdings :D

[@AA-dn8dj]

@@BuffRANGE Sweet! I'm glad they're making ammo

[@imjudeau2156]

I’ll have to pick some up now

[@BuffRANGE]

Yes indeed!

[@FlatRangeOperator]

That round slaps

[@one-of-us9939]

I would like to know the barrel twist if known... Thanks

[@BuffRANGE]

All the guns except the 22” are 1:7. The 22” is 1:9

[@one-of-us9939]

@@BuffRANGE thanks, my Springfield Saint's 1:8 will fit right in

[@robertdole5391]

Best 55gr and 62gr?

[@saltcreekammo]

The Barnes 77 grain match burner load shot the best for me... About 3/4 MOA in my 20" AR-15

[@mulchies]

Hello - thanks so much for the videos. I am also excited for more 77 grain. Currently this is on sale at PSA but it states it has Hornaday proj. Do they switch between Sierra and Hornaday? Thanks again ! Edit .12 difference between the Hornaday and Sierras, currently. Sierra available only by 20/box and the Hornaday available in 240/can.

[@BuffRANGE]

If it just says "Precision" it's the 77gr Hornady Bullet. If it says "Sierra" on the box then it's the Sierra load. They offer both.

[@mulchies]

@@BuffRANGE thanks for the quick response! Have a great day!

[@BuffRANGE]

@@mulchies You as well!

[@briansmith76251]

When will you be testing PSA's homebrew 77gr OTM? Would love to see how the PSA does in the ballistic jelly

[@BuffRANGE]

velocity and accuracy is done. I need to re-melt some gel as I wanted to see if they did anything with the jacket thickness on their model.

[@Jason32Bourne]

Just tested the inhouse bullet version of this today with a new Caldwell chrono. Results: 2650 FPS average. Conditions: 16Inch 5.56 ar. 65F. 5,000 ASL. I was super bummed that my 5.56 frontier 75gr was 2600 average! I'll retest another day for sure. I ran some 9mm for baselines and they seemed correct, along with some 223 rounds. Curious what anyone else's thoughts are. I will say, my first shot of the aac 75gr said 2880. I knew that was a false reading and threw it out. Is this normal for this type of chorno? I know Caldwell isn't the best.

[@aaron.from.winchester6744]

Happy to see another Ammo Company but 2660fps is hardly Mk 262. It’s about 100fps too slow. I wish AAC would release 6mm ARC.

[@corvoshlorpe3849]

Have you tested the 77 grain OTM that doesn't use sierra bullets?

[@BuffRANGE]

I have seen it, but not tested it..

[@stripes9908]

@@BuffRANGE We must know

[@BuffRANGE]

@@stripes9908 I need to contact them again

[@jonathanrogers9961]

I roll my own with Hornady 75g otm butllets tuned to my barrel. I have been able to get around 1moa so far however I had testing issues related to my optic. Im hoping to do better with the better scope I have mounted on my gun currently.

[@charlesbukowski9836]

Shouldn't it be about 2750 out of 20 inch ? something is off

[@BuffRANGE]

Yeah it definitely needs to be hotter.

[@Rooobviously]

Pine valley was great. Shame they went under. The 5.56 75gr gold dots were an ideal defense load for the 5.56 😢

[@BuffRANGE]

Those things at 5.56 velocities were the bee's knees! I imagine if AAC could get the 75gr GD as components they could be our savior.. Hold on to those from PVM!

[@Rooobviously]

@@BuffRANGE I’m holding. Hahaha. Waiting to load my own or find someone else who can do with PVM did

[@Albinosnake1997]

Underwood can’t even get gold dots anymore the only gold dots left are the 357 sig from underwood I wonder if Speer is stopping others from using their projectiles

[@thewhiteknight02]

Just ordered couple when I saw these for $15

[@BuffRANGE]

Hard to argue with it right now at that price.

[@richardlindquist5936]

I’m a little disappointed at the 20” velocity. 262 is stated 2750 from 18”. And I guess bullpup triggers are a thing.

[@Valorius]

Algo algo algo!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Feed him!!

[@Valorius]

@@BuffRANGE mine gets hungry too lol

[@jaredevildog6343]

That shirt is awesome!

[@BuffRANGE]

Amazon had it :)

[@geneotrexler8246]

Good & informative video 👍

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks a lot

[@Tony_Seed]

This stuff rocks

[@borkwoof696]

That velocity spread is pretty poor, though

[@BuffRANGE]

Yes they need to improve that across all their loadings..

[@christopherjames1453]

Would love to see a review of the Witt machine SME and it's effect on velocity and noise!!!

[@joearledge1]

About 100 fps too slow in 20", SD and ES could use some improvement too, precision seems average for 77gr otm

[@charlesbukowski9836]

yup passing on this

[@johnlew5972]

Received ammo looks good so far. Packing was horrible. 3 inch space inch empty space in box. This is what i found when I opened individual boxes. Ammo going all different directions inside individual boxes

[@Wildwestwrangler]

I wonder if they actually used a 24 inch barrel. Most others do.

[@thatoneguy454c]

Not bad. With mk262 mod 1 I am getting about 2680 fps out of my 16 inch AR and about 2730 out of my 18 inch "SPR" style build. However actually mk262 is stupid expensive lol

[@killacamfoo]

would love to see their 300 BLK Sierra tested (subs)

[@BuffRANGE]

I see they just released it

[@RaymondPexton]

Very good video

[@BuffRANGE]

Thanks

[@12thmonkeyy]

Have you tested the American Patriot Ammo 77 SMKs?

[@BuffRANGE]

link?

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

Hey Buffman, any chance on testing the AAC 75gr loads? I've been pretty curious about that one.

[@BuffRANGE]

Hey said they’d send me a sample. I should follow up.

[@InvidiousIgnoramus]

@@BuffRANGE sweet

[@cyeleeoptics]

Look Good.

[@BuffRANGE]

Indeed!

[@itsamk18-ish]

If you pop the irons off the rifle with the 3x prism and move the prism back you shouldn’t have eye relief issues. It’s an etched reticle, unless the optic gets blown up and the gun survives you’ll never need the irons 😁

[@BuffRANGE]

Very true. Where I have it now has good eye relief. I tend to leave the irons on it, as I rob the 3X at the range a lot for other guns that don't have optics :D

[@itsamk18-ish]

@@BuffRANGE haha yeah that makes sense i didn’t think about swapping it around. I have the 1x version and love it! Was thinking about getting the 3x.

[@BuffRANGE]

@@itsamk18-ish I love the Gen 2 1x!

[@itsamk18-ish]

@@BuffRANGE yeah it’s better than the gen1 in every way

[@scout3058]

I just bought 220 rounds of this for my wifes 16 inch 1:8 twist, because of this video.

[@BuffRANGE]

Interested in your results!

[@TerminalM193]

So, how would this loading do out of a 14.7" into gel? Would you get good penetration / terminal ballistics? What's the lowest velocity this round will perform at before falling off into the useless category?

[@BuffRANGE]

At CQB and probably out to a ways you would get good terminal affect. However it may give you a long neck before it does start to expand/fragment out. Based on velocities, you would see something similar to the 16" here with your 14.5" at CQB: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3-Yn4Zohqmrj7M

[@MacCready_]

If you haven't done one yet, do you think you could test AAC 220 gr 300 blk?

[@BuffRANGE]

I put in a request for 2 of their 300 BLK offerings, the other 5.56 offerings and the 124/147gr FMJ 9mm offerings!

[@MacCready_]

@@BuffRANGE Great. Looking forward to more great reviews!

[@sbhcmcc]

My stuff loves the black hills 77 but I can’t find it and when I do I can’t afford it so bring it on

[@alancrews2066]

Thnx

[@BuffRANGE]

My pleasure!

[@greengoat5654]

Try black rock armory!

[@BuffRANGE]

Link?

[@teaganwindago3132]

How can I get that shirt? I love it and I've lived in the same community for 27 years. Everyone knows me and that shirt fits me better than it fits you I can promise!!!!!!

[@BuffRANGE]

Amazon special. www.amazon.com/dp/B08VJ219ZX?psc=1&ref=ppx_yo2ov_dt_b_product_details&customId=B07537HNZD

[@Will-W]

I am a little surprised at the lack of improved "ass" on that round stepping up from 20 to 22". Seems like it's all out of juice by 20 inches.

[@ckiefner715]

Shot this in 2 rifles and shot pretty good

[@chiefro7]

Charlies Custom Clones has mk262 in stock

[@BuffRANGE]

If only I could buy 1 box, and not 2 min :(

[@chiefro7]

@@BuffRANGE Think of it as an investment in your future. Lmao

[@turdferguson9725]

Buffman is all like "PSA probably has more sophisticated equipment to test velocity." PSA probably be using a caldwell chrono they bought from craigslist.

[@adamadams6740]

Seams like decent stuff for sure.Hey AAC if you’re listening can I get some good cheep 350 ledgend????

[@DCMAKER133]

Let me know when m995 or m855a1 is actually available and affordable. This ammo sucks comparatively imho

[@BuffRANGE]

M855a1 would IMO be available some day. m995 not likely.

[@DCMAKER133]

@@BuffRANGE because of depots

[@pewpewTN]

Is this much different than their cheaper 77 grain offering? I have severla boxes of it, but haven't been able to test it yet.

[@teaganwindago3132]

I'm not sure if you added the audio enhancements to the final take but I could hear the trigger let off on all the semi autos. And yeah the bullpup sucked!

[@BuffRANGE]

The microphone pics them up very very well. When I wear a coat, it acts like a sound funnel and enhances the trigger reset :D

[@amym828]

Is AAC supposed to be the ammo plant that Palmetto was supposed to be setting up?

[@BuffRANGE]

Yes. Well AAC is the ammo plant that the holding company that also owns PSA set up and is running :D

[@Resident_Kriegsman]

I heard an audible difference through my headphones from 1st and 2nd barrels, the 3rd had a deeper crack than the 2nd. I switched to a different pair of headphones and the different in audio perception compared to my old ones is STARK

[@BuffRANGE]

Sorry about that. Some of that is because barrel 1 has a linear comp/blast diverter that throws the sound to the front. The second gun has a muzzle brake on it, so it's going to make more noise. The third gun has a flash hider on it, which doesn't really direct sound too much. Add the coat that acts like a channel to the mic, and they can sound different. :D

[@Resident_Kriegsman]

@@BuffRANGE All good man, I normally listen through a pair of BT earbuds but since they died I switched over to my crossfade wireless 2's (V-Moda, I'm an audiophile 😂) And they project sound "around" more so than just straight into your ears. Other shooting videos I'd listen to with my earbuds- the shots would all sound like a generic shot; I was noticing the difference with the headphones because I haven't used them in awhile. What you said adds credence to what I heard though, I figured those things (except the coat, I wasn't thinking of where the mic was 👀) were effecting it