Aba FRUSTRATED By Delusional Take, CALLS OUT Destiny's Chat Mid Conversation

[@LastNightDestiny]

Living Paycheck To Paycheck on 120k?!? ►kzbin.info/www/bejne/nYHbfaaipKxqqqM

[@Wornyochebtocoh]

Destiny I'm going to be real with you, in Miami it's pretty crazy. To move anywhere you need 3 down payments. And you don't get your deposit from your current home until after you move out, not before. The average 1 bedroom apartment here is 1600, times 3 that's 4800. You need at least 4800 to move out, unless you are willing to move out to an efficiency, which is a studio constructed.on the side of a house, which are now going for 1000 to 1300 per month and only require two down payments.

[@Shaggy-intothewild]

Since it was said combined income at 120k, that is completely understandable in certain areas. My wife and I come close to that and I totally live paycheck to paycheck. I could list the reasons but not in short version comment format. We have even taught ourselves how to do as much for ourselves as we can, we rarely call a professional to do anything in our home. I would totally talk this through, I think it would be an interesting conversation since I also had a daughter go through college and boy was that a mistake 🤷🏼

[@raymondwilliams379]

I think Aba's issue here is that suberbs being cheaper is because there's so many people fighting over urban housing. If urban housing is closer to work and friends even if it costs less to own and operate, rent is going to be higher because there's less urban housing than there should be. If 10% of suburbia got moved over to townhouses or apartments urban housing would be dirt cheap like it should be. The high rent compared to suberbs is because of the suberbs choking out available space

[@harryb12993]

@@Shaggy-intothewild 120k combined to raise a kid isn’t terrible but college can be costly

[@Shaggy-intothewild]

@@harryb12993 but also it wasn’t 120K while raising our kid, it was much lower early on. Quite a few times in my life I was using credit cards just to get groceries and gas. Some people just look at numbers and think that would be the only factor. Life is funny sometimes, you never know what’s going to happen 🤷🏼

[@EM-fo6yr]

Living paycheck to paycheck on 120k is completely reasonable if you owe the mob money or something

[@binkleyme]

I make $200kish a year and I live paycheck to paycheck because I'm leasing 5 Lamborghinis for $2,600 a month each.

[@EM-fo6yr]

@@binkleyme brokey. Throw those lambos out and get a Bugatti

[@gameboyish]

Orrrrrrrr.....lootboxes 😆

[@currentaf8455]

Vig

[@24kNick]

@@binkleyme it ain’t easy being cheesy

[@savvytravvi8660]

People out here living paycheck to paycheck on $40K line cook jobs. This is like stolen valor poor people edition.

[@gamerGUY3013]

It's like Destiny said, it's these upperclass kids that lack responsibility and want to b*tch about not being able to do whatever want and their poor financial decisions

[@PuddingXXL]

I visited a collegue who always complains about how broke he is and that our company isn't paging enough money (last part is actually true but not to the extend he thinks it). When I saw his apartment I was surprised that he can even afford that shit with our position at work. 80m^2 full LED lightning. A 4k pc set up and 2 44inch tvs while having special carved glass chess boards and marble pieces lmao. Meanwhile I'm sitting in front of my RGB Mousepad I got of best buys for 29 bucks and feel like a king lmao. 30k a year is brutal but manageable. Keyword is roommate like destiny said.

[@arilist5987]

I think the video was talking about 2 people making 120k a year, so it could be argued it was closer to 60k per person

[@Mermayydman]

@gamerGUY3013 lol Destiny said rich White kids not just upper class.

[@3NC3PH4L0N]

Its like playing a rougelike irl

[@bennymountain1]

Destiny just wants everyone to live in his Factory.

[@ruidechen]

I'd love to live in Destiny's factory uwu

[@lucidberrypro]

🤣😭

[@user-texgen]

Actual Capitalist status

[@sirius_b_13]

Cities were litteraly designed around factories and production no?

[@bennymountain1]

​@@sirius_b_13 Yeah, but for examples of optimized factory housing, look at some Soviet mono-cities. That shit is optimal. Also proven to increase alcoholism, lmao. Most cities aren't "designed", they grow on their own.

[@jerichojones2722]

honestly, alotof these people making very decent money and still struggling just dont wanna admit that theyre spending 200 dollars every week on alcohol and cocaine. i see it from the people around me all the time. complaining about the price of eggs like thats doing more to hurt their pockets then their complete inability to go one day without impulse shopping.

[@jbshadow1]

But whats the harm in complaning? I am coming from the UK context here, but its pretty fucked over here right now. I do fairly well, im on 90kish, I dont complain I cant make it paycheck to paycheck, but when you see petrol becoming almost £2 a litre or stupid shit like gravy go from £1 to £4. People at the bottom are going to be super hurting, and if we all point it out surely it creates more pressure for change

[@TheHockey991]

@Jason Lewis Damn, I'm in Florida on 60k and come out positive every month, even eating out everyday. Granted I'm single, renting with 2 roomates, and have no college debt.

[@RustCole01]

@@TheHockey991 And Florida is also a very nice place for single renters. When I lived down there, we rented a 3 bedroom townhouse for $1400 p month. Im sure it's more now, but there is no shortage of cheap rental units in Florida. And no state income tax

[@mikelitorous5570]

@@jbshadow1 granted food is becoming more expensive here but their are cheap alternatives so it’s not the end of the world for the middle class or the lower middle class. Everyone around my age (21) are all broke but they spend money on cars they can’t afford and they work the minimum to support their lifestyle, buying clothes, drugs, going out every weekend etc. I’ve got loads of money saved up and people are always shocked but it’s just that I’m not chasing this clout social media life.

[@jerichojones2722]

@@jbshadow1 if a single mother of 3 who makes 40k a year is complaining about the rising costs of food and gas, I'll hear her out and empathize with her. If a childless person making 60k a year is complaining about living paycheck to paycheck cuz of groceries, I know they are lying to me about their spending habits.

[@Moshm4n]

I love Aba, man. He models what a healthy friendship looks like.

[@moonknight4053]

Do u agree with his latest video that men should have their shit together(like just have a job which makes sense) and not approach a girl anymore due to there gym video?

[@megagearsx8432]

@@moonknight4053 eh, I kinda agree with him but, at the same time there’s crazies everywhere not just the gym

[@MegaFIare]

@@moonknight4053 in modern America, men should not be approaching women at all unless it's a space where approaches are expected, i.e. bars

[@moonknight4053]

@@MegaFIare Yeah bars, supermarkets, ur area, etc is fine. But aba said give UP let them flock to u. How they gonna flock to u when u don’t talk to them

[@RS-fy9hb]

@@moonknight4053 becausw if you're expected to change, you could also expect them to change appropriately. If women don't wanna be approached, they need to learn how to actually approach, instead of just halfassedly signaling that they're interested.

[@ABCshake]

I like these chill and down to earth conversations. I hope Destiny has more of these talks.

[@Kefka2010]

Except I'm pretty surprised Destiny believes people's homes should be seized and bulldozed for wanting to live in a detached home. Holy shit, that's like the most popular home style in America and Destiny wants to point a gun at people and force them into high rises.

[@Alpine_Nightly]

These convos with Abs are by far my favorite ones that Destiny has. Love this dude.

[@PauloLz]

16:55 here's the experience of a brazilian who spent his teenage years until adulthood in a 12 buildings (12 floors each) apartment complex: You are 100% correct, it was soooo good! We would get out of school around 1pm, go from door to door calling everyone untill we made a mob of 10~15 kids and hang out until 9~10pm, having fun and only taking breaks to eat/go to the bathroom! As we got older, we would go to bars and clubs together as well, the friendship was REALLY strong... Before moving there, i lived from age 1~14 in the suburbs, and while it was fun and had it's good points, it comes nowhere near the fun i had living in that apartment complex!

[@MrVitoriooo]

As a Dutch person who also lived in San Diego suburb for a year. hearing Americans talk about public transit and city planning hurts my head so much. In San Diego a 15 min ride from school to my host family's home took 40 minutes with public transit if the 2 busses i had to take directly connected. If i they didn't i had to wait an extra 30 minutes. Plus the 20 minutes i had to walk from home to the first bus stop. Cycling wasn't an option because of how dangerous it was and it also took way longer because there was a freeway i had to go all the way around. In the Netherlands where the place where I live would also be considered a suburb of one of the biggest cities in the Netherlands. But I can walk to a grocery store in 10 minutes. And it's faster to drive/cycle to a metro station and go to the city center than it would be to drive and find a parking spot.

[@wout4yt]

As a Belgain person when I heard Aba talk about taking a 40min train ride to go to a city being an adequate I was imagining myself riding the train to Brussels every time I wanted to go out. Seems so wierd to me, I can just walk outside and go out in Antwerp, no way I'd think that taking a 40 minute ride every time would be ok. Even when I lived in the countryside I'd just take a bike and everything was within a 15 minute ride.

[@diegogonzalezvazq]

@@wout4yt not just bikes has a very good video about the whole train from suburb to city thing and he focuses on the Toronto metropolitan area “go transit”. Toronto is even considered one of the best places for public transit in North America lmao

[@thesanfranciscoseahorse473]

Because the Netherlands cities I assume are far smaller, and less spread out. Yes? How is there any comparison between transit in a small Netherlands city vs the thousands of KM of distance across the U.S.?

[@diegogonzalezvazq]

@@thesanfranciscoseahorse473 don’t ask us ask the shit city planners and lobbyists that lobby against proper infrastructure, zoning, and transit that would allow North American cities to function well like Dutch cities

[@thesanfranciscoseahorse473]

@@diegogonzalezvazq I mean I've been to a few big U.S. cities. Some of them better than others, but I didn't think walking a few blocks or a 15-20min wait was a big deal for most of the transit systems. It depends where you are I suppose.

[@stock6600]

43:07 "Driving is the perfect torture of having no engament of your brain, yet simultaneously requiring your full attention" i just had a fucking epiphany of having my feelings about driving described in one sentence, holly

[@jb31969]

Audio books, music, a space for quiet reflection...

[@n8m102]

At times it’s fun if the music right or a podcast really has your attention, anyone who’s driven for even a few months mostly does it on autopilot mode in their brain

[@jb31969]

@@n8m102 Yea, been driving for more than half my life, including commuting to work daily, and I can honestly say I find it relaxing and enjoyable. Plus getting road head on public transit just doesn't hit the same.

[@sneakers_guy5488]

@@jb31969 bro lol 😆

[@jb31969]

@@sneakers_guy5488 🤣🤣 Am I wrong? Lol

[@fatnose0]

My experience as a European that grew up in a village might be slightly relevant here. I still prefer cities at the moment but I remember our parents letting us go see our friends who were a 20 minute walk away on our own anyday, I also had great neighbours I would hang out with. I think another issue with the American suburb rly is about the lack of safety from cars. When I would reach the village we would play pretty much anywhere with 0 supervision cus old European "castles" towns are mostly pedestrian. We'd come back from the bakery with breakfast that we paid with 10 euro bill or smthg it just felt like we had a lot more autonomy than what would be considered safe in the US. It doesn't have to be suburb or New York. we had some apartments inside the village, single family housing on the outskirts, all of which without the need for strict zoning.

[@danoco6385]

Go look up the destiny vs Ryan Dawson debate, Dawson absolutely destroys destiny it’s amazing to watch. Read the comments, that’s when destiny stopped debating people who aren’t brain dead

[@sepulcher8263]

@@danoco6385 What's that have to do with this topic?

[@danoco6385]

@@sepulcher8263 doesn’t just love showing destiny losers a video he doesn’t want you to see because Ryan makes him look so bad hahahah destiny met his maker

[@fatnose0]

@@danoco6385 you should start doing some door knocking to spread the word my guy.

[@lindholmaren]

@@danoco6385 meds

[@papa_dawg]

My wife is a foreigner coming to the US since 2011 as a student. She moved 7 times within 10 years. She had come to the mindset of having stuffs is a burden. She moved out of college and grad schools with 2 big suitcases and that's it. Her suitcases were shipped with USPS to different states that she moved to. In college, she only bought a cheap bed and a thrifted coffee table to use as desk, and gifted a bookcase. All these stuffs were gifted to friends or sent to donate when she left. In grad school, she bought an air mattress as bed and a metal shelf to use a bookcase and dresser, thrifted barstool to use as desk. The problem is, people in the US really yearn to have a picture perfect life. Similar to to keeping up with the Joneses, American wants what rich people have but don't want or need to use it.

[@MegaFIare]

I don't think having a stable home base is a need for some people

[@alejandrocarruyo4101]

In my family, we moved to a suburb near a school a while back, and literally every other house on the street had children living there, in the summers you could go outside on any given day and see kids playing outside and join them. We had block parties every year and even lots of the parents became close friends. Community really just depends on location more than building structure/style

[@danoco6385]

Go look up the destiny vs Ryan Dawson debate, Dawson absolutely destroys destiny it’s amazing to watch. Read the comments, that’s when destiny stopped debating people who aren’t brain dead

[@thornt2524]

Destiny mentions that there weren't many kids his age in his neighborhood. This doesn't strike me as typical of the suburbs and definitely wasn't my experience. Normally people move out to the suburbs when they have kids because they want them to have space to play and make friends.

[@TheRedHaze3]

As a kid I was actually friends with several kids in my neighbourhood. We'd all get together most days after school and do something. We gradually grew apart though, for one reason or another. By the time I was in high school, I wasn't hanging out with any of them.

[@theengineer9115]

Ok

[@GAOMaster]

cool

[@Adventure_Time_James]

I had the exact same experience. We would play outside until dark most days, and even had sleep overs from time to time

[@upincloud244]

that happened to me too. i had friends who i knew only as neighbors not classmates but eventually we stopped hanging out. i guess for its because i made new friends through classmates and eventually became able to play with those friends online when at home.

[@mr.bubbles8351]

cuz we had no choice and had to play with them as neighbors, in highschool we get to meet a lot of people and stick with people who we really like

[@zayajars]

Growing up in an apartment most of my adolescence, I can say it was really fun having friends nearby all the time. Even my parents had pretty good friendships. As soon as they moved to a house in the burbs, they stopped having neighbor friends altogether. Just my experience

[@lAljax]

I'm pleasantly surprised by Destiny's urbanism take. He understands density, mixed used, mass transit viability, third spaces. He sees how destructive car dependency makes people worst off. He's just short of gentle density for a complete based take.

[@Kuroganemk2]

Tiny L Aba W

[@elios2296]

I think it’s because of the time he lived in warsaw and couldn’t use a car and had to rely on public transport

[@dafeels3085]

Yeah I think it hurt Destiny's argument when he didn't mention the missing middle housing. Tokyo is a incredibly dense city with a huge population but it's not full of huge condo complexes.

[@iz2333]

The issue is you don't need high rises everywhere for any of that. Most central European countries aren't full of ultra dense mega cities but they have viable mass transit. I have a car but I often take busses or trains and they can get me almost anywhere, even to low density suburbs.

[@endaohalloran6649]

He just needs a few Not Just Bikes videos to push him over the edge lol

[@treywagnon7001]

The best is having to turn up the volume with ABA speaks, and then getting your ears blasted by destiny

[@TurtleChad1]

A turtle approves of Aba's frustration

[@the1stmetalhead]

Master Oogway 🙏🏼

[@deathbycognitivedissonance5036]

🐢 🐢 🐢

[@Loengrinn]

The joke about LA traffic is horrifically accurate. My first big boi job I had a 20 minute commute, and it was rare I ran into actual traffic because I worked night shift (by choice, I'm a night owl). I eventually got an office job that was 30 mins, and it was fine except I had to work 9-5 which is actually brutal for me, especially since my insomnia was getting bad at that point. The job after that was in the MIDDLE of LA, and that was literally the worst thing I've experienced. Over an hour drive, had to be at the office by 7am (which was incredibly difficult for me) and I made 45k a year. They let me go after 2 months, which was honestly a godsend, because otherwise I'd have tried to tough it out. Very lucky now, my current job is a 30 min commute, they let me come in later in the day (very late considering it's construction so they start at 6/7 am), and they're very understanding about my health issues, which rarely affect my deliverables anyways.

[@Adam444Tv]

Cool story bro 😎 Jk move out of LA

[@Lemonteaxi]

My senior project had a requirement that you applied for 5 colleges. You didn’t walk if you didn’t. I had a job and everything and still had to do it. It’s the only reason I went for the half semester I did. Schools make you feel like college is the only logical next step and any other post high school plan is setting you up for failure

[@chefboyardee3317]

Really that seems harsh. Well they should also pay for the application fee too if they wanted you guys go that bad. but they also do it because it makes their school look good.

[@Kefka2010]

@@chefboyardee3317 Yeah, pay for my application fees and I'll do that.

[@mmgvii8076]

Aba is right to be skeptical. There's a lot of "I don't want" going on and it's not just a problem w gen-z kids either.

[@Kefka2010]

Meh, I don't want to live in the middle of a city. I don't want to pay a bunch of money to live downtown just so I can walk to places. It's much nicer, in my view, to live further away and drive somewhere.

[@Sloimer]

@@Kefka2010 agreed

[@secondengineer9814]

Don't forget that it's not just "Massive suburb with huge lots and lawns outside everything" and "huge apartment high rise". There are tons of choices in between, from duplexes to townhouses. The point is that at every stage you can move up a level without having to scare the NIMBYs off entirely.

[@CyanPhoenix_]

Destiny needs to check out Melbourne's public transport. I'm a 26 year old living in the suburbs (about 45 minutes away from the city center) and still don't have my drivers license, because i just have never needed to drive anywhere. busses trains and trams are everywhere and frequent enough to be a viable way to get around even out in the far suburbs.

[@IbanezV70CE]

I've done handyman work for s lot of single family homes and here's what I have taken from the experience. Most people are unfit to own these structures. They require so much maintenance and understanding of construction. It is the easiest structure for renovators to cut corners in and all of that catches up to the owner eventually. Homeowners don't understand what goes into fixing shoddy old work. They often can't afford the repair and ask for unreasonable discounts. A lot of them end up going with someone that can do the job cheaper by doing more shoddy work and often no inspection. The end result is houses that are falling apart with failing utilities. Contrast that with buildings that house 50 units and are renovated by a specialized subcontractors for each trade and with ongoing inspection for each phase of construction. The end result is a building that last far longer and is built properly. Everyone wants a stupid lawn and the ability renovate their home the way they want but screw them. They make our cities unlivable. I say bulldoze these crappy homes and build walkable urban cities.

[@cyberjunkienet]

living between apartments and suburban houses. i can say destiny has a bit of a fantasy about apartments. yes, there will be people talking to each other and communicating, cooking, going to the pool. but, mostly people living in apartments tend to stay out of each other lanes. and don't want or care about their neighbors who are next door. small convos do pop up, but that's about it. personally, i've had more social interactions when living in a suburban neighborhood than living in a complex. aba x destiny is god tier.

[@snyperheadshoot]

As an adult, I agree, as a kid and thus parent, no shot, we were more than 20 kids from the neighborhood that we used to play together, as long as you have a park and some green space, flats are better.

[@1gregmoreira]

Agreed. I personally cannot stand apartment/city living I did it when I was younger and almost lost my mind. It’s isolating I bought my home in the suburbs/country ten years ago and wouldn’t have it any other way I know my neighbors well and people are generally a lot friendlier

[@jb31969]

@@1gregmoreira 100% agree, I've lived all over the country in suburban style houses and more metropolitan area apartments. The only apartment complex that comes close to emulating a suburban neighborly feel is what's called "garden style" which are generally 8-12 buildings, 3 stories, usually 24 unit buildings places in a green area with a heavy community vibe, central pool, gym, club, etc.

[@SirXcole]

Personally, I grew up in two suburbs and I've never felt more isolated in my life. However I've sinced lived in condos/townhomes for less than a year where people treated me like family. I'm not saying my perspective is right I'm just trying to show you how basic anecdotal evidence does nothing to advance this argument in earnest. at least without nuance.

[@1gregmoreira]

@@SirXcole I think it depends on the person more than the experience I live in a suburban/country area. I have a bit of land and some space I couldn’t imagine living without a large garage or yard. Or pool. Or hot tub. Or space in my house for a home gym setup etc. When I did live in apartments… it definitely wasn’t good for my mental health

[@jloiben12]

27:40 I think this demonstrates a bit of a miscommunication. What the like three minutes before this and what this is saying demonstrates how what you put around a home and what you put around the apartment complex is really what matters. If you have to get in a car to drive 20 minutes to get to anything it will not be good regardless of if you are in a house in the suburbs or in an apartment in the city. (1) The thing is, it is easier to build things that are closer when you have apartments. It is easier to build these types of restaurants, parks, sports facilities, etc when the living spaces are apartments. (2) For a more concrete example, take the immediate area around Tripp school in Buffalo Grove, Illinois. That grid area that Tripp is in would be a far better area to live in if instead of homes and one baby strip mall that (i) leave Tripp where it is, (ii) leave the park where it is, (iii) you build apartments instead of houses on all the non-Lake Cook Road sides of the rectangle, and (iv) you use the Lake Cook Road side of this grid for restaurants, venues, athletic facilities, etc. Just because you are building apartments doesn’t mean you have to build only 2/3/4 room spaces. You can build apartments with the same physical size as the houses in areas like this. It is also very affordable to build apartments with higher quality furnishings (ie - wood floors, stainless steel appliances, etc). The cost of those “upgrades” is actually rather small.

[@Andi_0429]

Here's my student loans story: Basically, I owe an amount in the 6 figure range. I graduated HS with a 3.18 GPA and college with a 2.58. I have a BS in EMET. Live in NJ, went to Penn State. In high school, when it came time to apply to universities I was really adamant on going away to school. Penn State was a reputable university and it sounded good on a resume. My parents encouraged it also. It was also a pride thing for me, as my parents only had Associates degrees. When I got to college, I really didn't feel much pressure to do well. Passing was what I cared about most. I kept thinking about the university's high employment placement percentage and the esteem of the Penn State name. My issue is this: I was never pulled aside by anyone to consider the financial ramifications of my decision. College just felt like 'the next step' and going away to school is just 'what you do' in my 17-18 year old brain. I'm not saying I was coerced, but I feel like I was seeing through rose colored glasses up until the very end. Then, when I stepped into the real world, I realize I have to live with my decision.

[@wout4yt]

27:00 as someone who lived in a rural area and moved to a city... I feel this, being able to walk everywhere is awesome.

[@johngamer-bp3pc]

they should talk about trying to pick girl at the gym. aba had takes that made destiny angry when his chat told him

[@adrianbrodin1319]

Don't do it.

[@Gesidius]

@@adrianbrodin1319 i understood that reference

[@Dorothyann436]

I think people really don’t understand the cost of living. Depending on where you live, you can absolutely live paycheck to paycheck on 120 K a year salary. On top of the cost of living if you have children that’s a whole other ball game. The cost to properly raise children in this country while paying for healthcare is crazy. And to make things more confusing is that 120 K net salary? Depending on where you live 20 to 25% of that salary goes to taxes. On top of that salary you have to pay for healthcare, which is very expensive. For a family healthcare can be close to 1000 a month taken out of that paycheck. Then on top of that, you have childcare costs. If you are working, someone has to take care of your child, and that can cost a lot of money weekly. Averages around 400 weekly. If you are trying to buy a house to save and you dont have family to help you out, you are paying rent. Rent is usually more then a mortgage.Its also not an option for everyone to live in low income communities because they aren’t safe.I can go on forever and I’m not speaking on anyone who’s involved with owing anyone money

[@BrienGerber]

I think the type of suburb really matters. The suburb I grew up in was FILLED with families with young children, but twenty years went by and people didn't leave or the people who filled it afterwards were retirees. So the same suburb can have a completely different vibe depending upon the time you live there, which is why vetting that ahead of time can be really important before buying a home.

[@jb31969]

Exactly this, additionally I never understood the whole, "I can walk outside to any bodega or corner store." I live in a suburban neighborhood that is, no exaggeration, a quarter mile from, a Walgreens, a CVS, both 24hour, a Target, a Home Depot, at least 10 restaurants, and a movie theater. Within 5 miles of my 1/2 acre property I literally cannot think of something I do not have access to. 3 hospitals, multiple urgent cares, a lumber yard, 5 or 6 parks, schools, 2 malls, water parks, theme parks, countless restaurants, and on and on. I am 22 miles from one of the largest metropolitan areas in the country. My commute to work is 23 minutes by car.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

My sister lives in a brand new subdivision with a ton of other new families buying their first homes. They have all kinds of community events and stuff, all know each other etc. Seems really nice

[@leeszikiat7953]

This is exactly why it’s important to continue to build housing in the community. That’s how a community literally dies, nobody moves nobody new comes in, there is no solution that doesn’t involve more housing construction involved.

[@stephenwishburne1034]

If you make 120k a year and live with significant other, not married yet and have one baby. And you live in a safe part of a city like LA, SF or NYC. You are keeping about 75-80k of your 120k. And at a minimum it will cost $50k a year for rent, utilities, food, clothing for 3 people. And this is not luxury living. Rent will take 30-40k of that right away. You would have 25k left over to pay for student loans, car payment, health insurance &/or medical bills, gas, etc. If you think 120k is plenty to live on in a big city in America if you are supporting a family then you DO NOT know the way our tax system works and you don’t understand the cost of living in America.

[@francothesucc9701]

The problem with public transit in sprawling suburbia isn’t only bc of a lack of demand, but bc logistically, it is harder to upzone (create more housing) in these areas without expanding outward, increasing the amount of time and space that the public transit has to accommodate for. Single family homes by definition are the least efficient use of land compared to other forms of middle housing (doesn’t just have to be apartments; think bungalow courts, duplexes, fourplexes or live-works)

[@damedusa5107]

Other countries did it. Having an underground helps. But USA never planned cities properly

[@MegaMrASD]

5:40 I’ve moved 5 times in my city since moving here, and never used a mover. If you are poor you almost never own anything big so you don’t need freaking couches and wardrobes moved every time you move on. I’ve even spent a 3 day weekend moving my boxes by hand in public transportation because none of my friends had time to lend a car before my moving deadline.

[@Mrraerae]

Is a couch and furniture a rich person thing to own in the US?

[@nicomykle]

@@Mrraerae No, but unless you own expensive furniture, you can just sell them and get new ones closer to your new home. We did this when moving between cities in Norway. Fit basically everything we owned inside a small truck, and sold / rebought any big pieces of furniture like sofas, tables, drawers, etc. All in all it's cheaper and less time-consuming than moving big cheap shit.

[@bennymountain1]

Same here, lmao. I carried all my shit once from one apartment to another in a big luggage case and a big-ass sports bag over a work week. It was 30 minutes walking distance, I did one trip before and two trips after work.

[@Mrraerae]

@@nicomykle ah alright that makes sense

[@MegaMrASD]

@@Mrraerae yeah I didn’t mean you don’t own any furniture. But if you are actually struggling financially so much you need to move, you probably don’t have expensive furniture that would be worth paying a moving company for, or you would most likely sell it to the owner of the house or online to someone to make some money with. (If you are moving because of finances it’s also very likely you had to downsize so you wouldn’t be able to fit the furniture anyways). I live in Hungary. Most places here you don’t even buy furniture, you use the stuff the owner of the appartment put there. Empty Appartment’s are super rare and are usually new buildings with higher rent.

[@RangerNationDubs]

Destiny is right about apartments. Going outside and hanging out with all the kids immedately in the hangout spot was so fun. I had my first sleep over, we were able ot stay out realllly late out at night. And when one kid had a big birthday party every kid just kinda showed up in it lol. It becomes a really big commmunity espically for kids. And they are super safe too espcially since u can easily find your kid. I dont know, I feel like apartments and town houses are under rated.

[@iRiDiKi]

I had that exact situation except in the suburbs ... all of us kids on the street would play together. I don't think most apartments have this situation, however?

[@RangerNationDubs]

@@iRiDiKi I'd say a lot do. IF theirs kids in them they are really approachable and its suuuuper easy to hang out and be safe. Go over each others houses play games. Because ur all just kinda together, its super easy to just walk up and join in.

[@Kefka2010]

@RangerNationDubs Suburbs were always really easy to make friends and hang out with people.

[@mharris4264]

@@iRiDiKi that what was missing from the conversation, the concept of community. Then, Destiny's idea of apartment is framed by some of the better ones in his state and he framed his idea of suburbs from his childhood.

[@unyieldingmonotony4453]

But cities kill peoples desires to have children. So why the fuck would you want to raise your child in that environment unless you want him/her to be the last of your bloodline.

[@mjay0019]

Not everyone wants to live with roommates. My mental happiness improved once I got my own place.

[@bubblyybubby]

I used to live in a apartment complex raising up in TAiwan then again in CA and the experiences are the same. Most kids in the apartments come out and we play together it's great. Can't imagine growing up differently.

[@mikyas392]

listening to youtubers discussing about urban planning was fascinating.

[@PennDraken]

You don't need to build 30 story apartment complexes to achieve density, just build 6 story mixed use buildings with commercial bottom floor and residential/ office as the rest. Just look at city cores in Europe. Edit: 29:00 You can also put buildings more closely together. There's a lot of unused space in American cities.

[@wasted1176]

Man, I love hearing this shit. It’s so vastly different from my worldview. Urban, suburban, all of it sounds wholly unappealing. Being able to play in the woods for hours, ride dirt bike, play paintball and now have a 50 yard shooting range. I can’t imagine choosing to live somewhere I was restricted in what I could do because it would be rude and obnoxious for my neighbors. I’ve lived in situations like that and did not enjoy it nearly as much. Not quite rural living, but not quite suburban, what would that be called? Subrural?

[@frbyrd-tg5co]

@24:45: Aba mentions people not wanting to have kids in an apartment. This was my promise to my wife, that we would have our own place to raise our family, making our monthly 'rent' payment to our own equity. Found a townhouse condo by a distressed seller in a small 'ungated' group (8 units) in the suburbs less than a mile to elementary and middle schools. It's made all the difference. My mortgage has remained fixed on a 1800 sq ft unit while the rent on my former apartment has risen to nearly twice my mortgage for 850 sq ft. My suburb is on the commuter rail to Boston, and while people complain about the price of real estate, it is smarter to get in when you are childless and can put 2 incomes towards with the added tax deductions, than it is to look when the kids are school age. My biggest complaint about urban apartment living is that the state does not incentivize renters with tax deductions (they aren't tied to inflation). you want to make urban living better - make the tax deduction for rent comparable to the deduction for the interest on a mortgage.

[@MylesLeft]

I grew up in an apartment complex and it was the greatest sense of community I ever experienced, we skateboarded, played football, there was a pool, tennis courts etc. Aba must’ve lived in the poorest apartment complex imagine

[@MylesLeft]

All the kids new each other because we had to wait at the same bus stop right outside the complex. I’m not gonna say we were all friends but we all knew each other.

[@thornt2524]

Right, not all apartment complexes are equal. I've lived in one where things were dicey and people wouldn't walk around the wider neighborhood. I didn't see kids playing all that much outside. The other apartment complex was nicer and had a lot of kids playing at the local playground. Results may vary, I suppose.

[@garysanders6091]

I've lived a majority of my life in apartment complexes.. Never had a good experience with one, sure as hell not a good community. From prices ranging 300 bucks a month (I fucking wish it could be that low again) to 3k a month.

[@cavalier40]

There is a bit of disconnect here. In Florida rents have nearly tripled, homeowners insurance has more than doubled. Miami is now the most expensive housing market in the US. There is also huge expense in moving as most places need first last and security. 5 years ago it cost me over 5k to move into a house (which is needed because I am married with children). The original rent was $1400, the new renter is now renting it out at $3k. Even the crack houses are renting out for $2800/mo now. Luckily I was able to buy, but not everyone is as lucky as me. I do agree that if you are an individual making over $70k or a married couple making over $100k and you are living paycheck to paycheck, you have to look at your habits, but at the same time $100k today feels like $60 5 years ago.

[@SlipnClutch]

I feel like a lot of these problems comes from needs to pay to do everything, want to eat? buy, not cook Coffee? starbucks Moving? hire a moving company, not do it with your friends then hang around afterwards. Anything broke? pay someone, not try fix it yourself

[@ExtremelyTastyBread]

true, but I'll add that some of us have no friends and have to pay people to move use

[@counselorguy5481]

Yup, same thing with dating. It's pay to play.

[@counselorguy5481]

@ColorsStones I don't eat at work. That's what I do. I eat once a day

[@lunaloveless7234]

You guys should look into what vancouver does. The sky train runs into all of the smaller surrounding cities and is a far more convenient and quick way to get there if you don't live in the city. My only complaint with it is that I think it should be 24 hours or at least extend past last call.

[@TNTSID]

I lived in an apartment from birth to 13 and luckily my neighbors were the same age and we grew up together and it was so perfect we played together everyday. When I moved to a house.. literally no communication with neighbors and if there was any.. it was usually hostile. Even as an adult.. I find an apartment with a bunch of ppl around you tend to talk to them more or atleast say hi. I could see if maybe it was a not so nice neighborhood it would be a negative experience.. but that’s due to ppl I guess.. not so much the apartment itself.

[@Sid00077]

Partly depends on where you live ig. When I was living in the South of the US, which is generally more friendly, I literally had a neighbor that I didn't even know drop some fruits that grew in her garden. We used to talk for a couple of minutes when we came across each other. In Philly, I don't even talk to my neighbor who lives right across the hall from me. One time I even got mean mugged by a girl for holding a door open for her, which, in the South, is a very common practice.

[@secondengineer9814]

Regarding Destiny's take on poor kids being able to go to good schools: In my experience, really elite schools like Harvard, other Ivies, etc have really good financial aid because they already have huge endowments. In fact all Ivies only have need based (no merit based) fin aid. So whatever financial situation you are in, you can go to an elite school if you get in. However, going down the ladder a bit, a lot of prestigious state schools or private schools that aren't quite at that top tier level are very restrictive when it comes to finances. They offer much less financial aid. So if you don't quite get into the top tier elite schools, but you do make it into really good schools (think UCLA, Duke, Michigan, etc), you end up not being able to afford those options, so you just go to the local state school. (which isn't a bad option by any means, just not quite as prestigious)

[@Big-Papa-Smurf]

More community colleges. Community college is based. Go in for free, and come out with a degree. No debts, no stress, no student loans. Unbelievably fucking BASED. Make it a universal standard.

[@eligoldman9200]

Bro yes inflation is here but like you could live by yourself alone in San Francisco with 120k and not have debt. This is absurd.

[@datboii_ivan]

Aba says " Your their Candace Owen's"😂😂 He nailed that one💯

[@mharris4264]

Literally! It's ironic because Annalicia, LTG, and Tree were all compared to her but hate her. LTG quoted her and didn't really know who she was.

[@tberry2510]

I grew up in apartments and I always imagined having my kids in a house. I didn’t really consider how nice it was always have other kids around. My friends at school lived all over the city and I would go to their houses a lot less frequently than the almost daily walking outside to meet up with the other kids in the apartments. You could go outside at almost anytime and go to the play area, pool, or basketball court and someone was there wanting to hang out or play a game. It also encouraged me to hang out with my siblings more. We had 6 kids and my mom in a 3 bedroom so we always wanted to go outside. Whereas my friends who lived in houses didn’t really hang out with any of the kids in their neighborhoods even if they were on the same street. And none of them hung out with their siblings as much as I did because they could just hide out in their own rooms. Interesting to think about.

[@mark7736]

I was fully on board with work from home in the past, but last two years have tempered that. Think it's a great option for some people and some types of work, but pretty horrible for others. On an individual level, some folks are really bad at managing their time. If you are doing team based work, having 1 or 2 people who can't handle wfh (even if everyone else is fine) can really throw things off. Seen this a lot in my own line of work and it’s a common sentiment when I talk to friends in other fields. I also think the social implications are sometimes dismissed too quickly. The reality is many people do make friends and build their social network through work. Can say on a personal level my circle would be a lot smaller if I had worked from home my entire career. Sure, some of these are just "work friends", but it's also true I met my partner and some of my closest friends through work and career events. Not necessarily saying this is enough to toss the idea of wfh or its everyone's exprience, but it's a huge social change that some seem weirdly content to ignore. At any rate, I give my team the option to do hybrid with the potential for full wfh if things go well. So, not a wfh hater...just get a little triggered by the pressure out there to make it the default in jobs where it is possible.

[@dashyte412]

Oh shit, someone delete this before my boss sees

[@brittybee6615]

I only do a couple hours per day from home, and no matter who I live with, they can’t take it seriously that I’m actually busy. I give up. Fortunately I think there’s a library near where I just moved to that stays open later.

[@Sue_Me_Too]

I've never had a job where WFH was an option, and I don't think it would be for me if I did. I like to get out of the house and get my hands dirty.

[@TheProphessionalGeek]

Work is for making money, not friends. If you make friends, that's a nice bonus. I used to commute 2-3 hours to work. That extra time is worth so much more to me than bullshitting around the water cooler.

[@mark7736]

@@TheProphessionalGeek don't necessarily disagree and sounds like you are in a much better situation. More saying we should acknowledge for a lot of adults, work has a social component. Dismissing that with "work is for making money" or personal circumstances seems like it's ignoring a big aspect of reality. Not saying push for wfh is the sole thing driving increased feelings of loneliness and isolation, but I think it should at least be a point of consideration.

[@daniellastnaim1588]

Apartments are some of the most dreary environments to live in and grow up in

[@sirteabag8652]

After hearing Destiny talk about public transport, we need a Destiny vs Adam something train debate

[@hardyhardyhardy]

What will they disagree on?

[@maxwellsdemon10]

@@hardyhardyhardy the skyscraper thing definitely

[@MidnightZauntie]

I feel like we're ignoring the fact that apartment buildings don't have to be skyscrapers. A 3 story apt building with 12 units is still a massive upgrade vs a duplex on the same footprint.

[@hueco5002]

Moving across the country for my wife’s education (post doc) as a middle class dude with a kid was the most expensive thing I’ve ever done. We moved across the country for her education at the start of it - packed everything we owned into a rented van. This second time, with kid stuff and actual furniture acquired? 10k to move - on the low end.

[@TheHockey991]

PHD = Piled Higher and Deeper

[@hueco5002]

@@TheHockey991 I know. I’ve already got my PhD. In ammo.

[@nastynas9610]

You relocated over a B ?! BETA!!!! Be a men and stand your ground! Let her move and get railed by someone else. Sharing is caring!

[@counselorguy5481]

@@TheHockey991 permanent head damage

[@hueco5002]

@@nastynas9610 trolling 1/10. C’mon man, do better.

[@senykmartin]

Destiny: imagine you’re playing a video game! Describes real world city planning

[@lizardjoel]

THANK YOU ABA! I was living at the limit barely any savings JUST scraping by as a single 23 yo outside D.C. in NOVA where the literal cheapest option for rent at all for a 1 bdr apartment (every studio already rented) was 1.6k/month. I made $18/hour (37k a year) Imagine making 3x as much AND having a PARTNER to contribute half of the income making it twice as easy as solo difficulty and still finding ways to make it hard to survive on that much money.

[@fanaticbox]

I live in northern VA made, 92k and barely saving money. but I'm a single dad.

[@lizardjoel]

@@fanaticbox That sounds right. Which btw it's right it's super fucked up how expensive living is now and to be fair I got priced out by inflation would've needed 20+ an hour to stay ended up moving states towards MD/PA and WV where it's cheaper

[@Mrraerae]

@@lizardjoel Holy shit the US economy is ass. In my country I've literally never heard of anyone having to move cities because their job can no longer pay their rent. That is fucking insane.

[@lizardjoel]

@@Mrraerae I think it's on purpose so everyone is struggling paycheck to paycheck so they dont have energy, time, or resources to protest and resist everything getting shittier and shittier while the rich ruin society for greed.

[@iluvbbw6911]

I live in Southern Maryland in rockville and currently work from home making $18 per hour. The problem was you had an apartment when you really should've have roommates. My rent is $700 a month renting a bottom floor room with a backyard view

[@holyflygon]

Aba says "just have a great train system" dude no suburb wants to be NEXT to a train station. Those ppl would vote instantly to make that shit further away this idea that every suburd would just accept a train station next to there houses is fucking wild.

[@DecaturQue]

When you say it’s not your own choices that make you struggle, that’s the case period. A lot of the systematic issues people talk about still revolve around choices, it’s just the system has strong drivers. I 100% believe people like paycheck to paycheck even up to 150k. A lot of people live at a deficit. The old saying it’s not how much you make, it’s what you keep is real.

[@TheHockey991]

I don't believe a rational person with 150k lives paycheck to paycheck. Unless they have a shit ton of kids, or make poor financial decisions, they shouldn't live at a deficit. I make 60k (pre-tax) eating out everyday for lunch, renting with roomates, and net a good amount each month.

[@nope5657]

This is the problem - blaming people for not hacking poverty perfectly instead of focusing on changing the system.

[@nope5657]

@G Unit Ah yes, capitalism bootlicking. Nice.

[@AlbinoWhiteGuy]

Growing up in an apartment complex was actually really fun, we were allowed to stay within the complex and I had several friends who lives there. Nowadays I probably wouldn’t be allowed to roam around like we used to.

[@chrishawnm.6095]

Ur NOT poor ... Ur BROKE (Money Management Skills)

[@Draenix572]

What Destiny said about driving an hour to and from work every day is true, because I'm living it

[@LilDrummer1213]

I think the more important issue is that 50k is paycheck to paycheck in most places now

[@Jay-vt1mw]

"most" every comment section is full of city kids that can't imagine living outside the expensive parts of the city. Or even outside of the city.

[@INFINITE_STRENGTH]

@@Jay-vt1mw what do we start calling this? Cityism? It’s everywhere, every opinion is from the perspective of living in a city.

[@Jay-vt1mw]

@@INFINITE_STRENGTH Cyndrome

[@jerichojones2722]

@@Jay-vt1mw bruh that's what I'm saying. If u make 50k to 60k a year in some town in rural Arkansas you'd be able to live like royalty damn near. Assuming you don't have kids atleast.

[@Jay-vt1mw]

@@jerichojones2722 trouble is that’s the opposite end of the spectrum so people just dismiss what you say, if the average person earns 50k they’d be able to get a house, eat regular brands, have decent clothes and vacation. That’s not royalty but that’s not living paycheque to paycheque.

[@richybambam1995]

People need to stop using the word poor. I think subconsciously we don't think it has the same negative connotation as "broke" but with 120k a year you aren't poor you're just broke.

[@mikelitorous5570]

Destiny is looking at public transport from such an American point of view. The only issue I have with public transport in the uk is that expensive now I’m older but when I was younger it was so cheap. Also, buses can be a bit late but it’s usually only 15 mins at the most. But I live in a suburb literally right on the edge of my town and I can get into town from a bus stop 2 mins away and to the 3 nearest cities in like a 3 mins walk maximum.

[@SteelKangaroo]

Destiny and Aba are both right about density and zoning. The issue is that neighborhoods aren't able to grow naturally to suit the housing demands of an area bc of restrictive zoning. There is a whole range of building types between skyscraper and single family home and desirable neighborhoods should be able to move towards density if that's what demand indicates. Extremely high rent prices in an entire metro area means there needs to either be more skyscrapers in a downtown and/or more midrise apartments interspersed within neighborhoods that are only currently SFH. Pick a metro area and look at their zoning, in a lot of places 70-80% of the city is only zoned for single family homes. Edit: and regarding building community -- you need 'third places'... Bars, community centers, playgrounds, parks, etc to bring people together. Housing alone can't engender community no matter what it is

[@J0eMega]

I do think moving isn’t as simple as destiny makes it sound. Especially if you currently have a job and are struggling to find a job in an area with a lower cost of living. You also have to account for the fact you’d have to find a job that pays the same or higher than your current job, or else it can offset the cost of living, which defeats the purpose of moving in the first place.

[@lobaxx]

I have moved 3 times since 2020 and never had to change job because of that

[@J0eMega]

@@lobaxx Congratulations

[@mr.bubbles8351]

@@lobaxx @JoeMega meant real jobs, not selling weed

[@LegiamasC-OnTwitta]

That’s accurate. I think destiny is a teetering on the opposite end of being extreme on this one

[@KingKrapper]

Maintenance on cars isn't difficult or particularly expensive if you just do basic checks each week...

[@savvytravvi8660]

An apartment complex can have a great sense of community if desired. Used to live at an apartment with a badass pool/courtyard/volleyball court and everybody was always out there grilling, playing, drinking. Of course, this was used primarily by college kids...

[@dango2917]

That intro background is fucking sick based Editor.

[@ladyvanda]

I find it amusing that Aba shits on people who don’t want roommates but in the same breath, says he would never live in an apartment building lol

[@danoco6385]

Go look up the destiny vs Ryan Dawson debate, Dawson absolutely destroys destiny it’s amazing to watch. Read the comments, that’s when destiny stopped debating people who aren’t brain dead

[@frogery]

those two things have nothing in common.

[@damedusa5107]

They aren’t mutually exclusive

[@damedusa5107]

@@danoco6385 and?

[@Kefka2010]

A roommate and living in an apartment building are completely different. You do realize you don't need a roommate to live in an apartment right? I lived in a 5 bedroom detached home...with roommates. Turns out it was super cheap to do that and much cheaper than living in comparable apartments by myself.

[@emeryboehnke4259]

I think the best supporting argument for Destiny is that living in a college dorm is actually peak fun. Like having friends in every direction is the best thing possible.

[@danoco6385]

Go look up the destiny vs Ryan Dawson debate, Dawson absolutely destroys destiny it’s amazing to watch. Read the comments, that’s when destiny stopped debating people who aren’t brain dead

[@Dellzzz]

My son is 9 now so he doesn’t go to daycare, when he did it was $175 a week, during the summer and $80 a week during school (they would pick him up from school around 3:30pm and have snacks, we picked him him around 4:30-5pm) With each additional child I believe it’s an extra $75-$100 for summer, and actual $80 each for during school. It adds up super quick, especially if you have multiple children.

[@counselorguy5481]

@@LordIceify the issue is that plenty of women have kid and no partner.

[@frogery]

commuting an hour by public transit and commuting an hour by car are two completely different experiences and only one of them makes me not want to kms.

[@snyperheadshoot]

I think Aba is taking it too the extreme with the skyscrapers scenario, you don't need skyscrapers to have a dense area, just normal 4-6 floors high flats, a park and a grocery shop and you're good, you still see the sun, you still can have trees and grass in the park and near the park. 5-6 houses with gardens occupy the area of an entire flat, that can have 30-40 families in it. Edit: we really had enough kids to play around football (soccer) or hide and seek, we were like over 20 at one time, but on average, we were minimum 8 kids outside.

[@dickjohnson8983]

a super rich person not being in touch with reality? color me shocked

[@mitchyorkey2914]

Unironically, the 4 over 1 that people meme about are functionally great

[@falseprophet1024]

So the government should steal everyones house and sell it to their developer friends, who will make bank rebuilding the country?

[@dickjohnson8983]

@@falseprophet1024 read a civics and econ book please

[@lgibs666]

Exactly.

[@Kingsfool]

120K after taxes, insurance, 401K, gas, groceries, other expenses, etc., really isn’t as much as it sounds. Especially in a city like NY or SF. Good luck with retirement. And if you’re maxing out both a 401K and IRA, that’s closer to $30K per year, 6K would be IRA only.

[@dillonblair6491]

Nice art work

[@stephenwishburne1034]

I don’t know if you guys hear yourselves talking or not. The very first comment you made Aba completely contradicts your POV. Your friend in his 20’s said he didn’t like having to pay so much in rent these days and your response to get a roommate only makes your friend’s point or the point that America is decreasing in quality of life. He knows he can get a roommate but this is where we are in America: even young people in their 20’s with college degrees struggle to be able to live alone these days and be independent. If you have to get a roommate, and that is the response then look how far we have decreased in quality of life.

[@biggieb8900]

There's a lot here I disagreed with but when destiny said nobody works for 8 hours that's when it really hit home how disconnected destiny is from real life

[@maxwellsdemon10]

In an office, nobody will ACTUALLY work 8h

[@joshyman221]

He didn’t say nobody works for 8 hours as in no person does. But in these office jobs like finance firms, law firms, etc. nobody is actually working the full hours they are there for. It’s just the truth. You are payed to be there either in case something happens or just to keep up rapport.

[@biggieb8900]

@@maxwellsdemon10 well as someone who works in an office/lab, there's a solid amount of us who go hard for at least 8 hours. I just put in 10.5 of pure focus

[@rachaelvaughan1017]

Around 10:00 The meme of Homer Simpson backing up into the bushes is me rn. I was pretty much in agreement until the gentrification part

[@Acidlib]

About fifteen minutes in to this convo and it’s clear that Aba, although he means well and I understand where he’s coming from, knows almost nothing about urban planning, zoning, transit, etc EDIT: about 20 minutes now and I really think someone needs to introduce these two to the concept of medium density housing

[@kiritokurosaki8482]

I live in Maryland and the DC metro goes about 30 miles outside the city into Maryland and Virginia and all the smaller cities and neighborhoods are like Aba describes and each has their own character. There’s suburbs all over but you don’t feel like you need to go to DC or Baltimore to do things since almost all the areas have things to do

[@lunaloveless7234]

Lol I lived in the suburbs and my childhood was packed with kids not sure what he means by the yards being so far apart you don't see anyone? Lol that's more like rural areas. There was an intense amount of community where I lived and all adults and kids were friends. We constantly had block parties, played giant games of manhunt, water fights etc. In apartment buildings which I've also lived in people are so much more recluse and not willing to get to know their neighbours

[@libertas_americana]

How many childhood friends does Destiny keep up with again? Lol

[@myronwilliams3340]

Lol I mean that's probably what happens when you live in Nebraska his closest friend was probably the scarecrow on his neighbors cornfield. Lol jk

[@cyberjunkienet]

tbh. he probably just didnt want to bike one or two blocks over to his friends lol

[@maxwellsdemon10]

Have you been back to the place though? I know tons of people who had a similar experience, but today these places are dead. Sometimes literally because everyone there died, but mostly just the kids move out and there are only old people left.

[@libertas_americana]

@@maxwellsdemon10 idk about that where im from. LA and the Bay area are dying but Central Valley is getting filled up.

[@String615]

120k is more than enough unless you live in like California and Miami

[@MyUniqueHandle.]

tf is that intro art lol

[@CapnDGAF]

The future bro..

[@brooks4365]

Some guy made it on Insta and Aba reposted it lol

[@improvwithlions4173]

I think after doing some travelling in Europe, I warmed up more to the idea of a townhouse or an apartment. As long as there's sunlight and some kind of personal balcony or patio. Also looking more at the reality of what I can afford in this environment.

[@popermen694]

Because working from home prevalent, my wife and I can now move to low income states but still make California wages. Especially since my wife operates a license out of California. The working from home movement has been so helpful.

[@Aschwiftbreeze]

Aba zaba

[@pocketmon4509]

Laba

[@Priinsu]

1:12:50 So, from my point of view. I grew up in a black single mom household. Virtually all the BW in my life (college educated women btw) spent their lives either chasing/having children for criminal/POS BM and were left single moms because of it. I still remember as a kid, my mom waking me up on weekends just to drive 2 hours to another city to visit her big-time drug dealer BF in prison. BW tend to not focus on the right types of BM early on in life. Its only after they've had kids by POS BM and they see the right types of BM successful and married to a white woman that they realize who the right types are. But, before that those guys were seen as broke, lame, boring, dusties (because it takes time for normal men to develop into what they need to be in order to be attractive to women). But, BW want the "lil Durks" and "Futures" of the world right now! They dont want to wait. They want excitement and toxicity right now! They don't want to take the slow route to build a life with a decent BM. But, as a single, childless, financially well-off BM, I'm meant to be shamed into dating black single-moms for the "community".😒 So, when I see women like Annalicia defending that sort of behavior from BW on here, it triggers me. Like, why can't we hold BW accountable for who they choose to lay down with and have children for? How am I to blame for the state of the black community? I didn't tell you to lay down with and have a child for a POS, that's on you!

[@molsy1768]

Destiny is literally advocating for humans being stored like shoes. He really is detached from reality.

[@bennymountain1]

As opposed to being stored like cattle?

[@molsy1768]

@bennymountain1 ah yes, when I see suburbs with lovely lawns and gardens, all I can think of is several hundred cattle being squeezed into a large shed for the winter...

[@Badjuju658]

@@bennymountain1 I mean I would rather have a lot of land to live on then not much at all but that’s just me I don’t think it’s okay for what destiny said to just have ur property ripped away from you.

[@danielandree3947]

You also lose the option to own…. Which takes away potential assets from every American…. Unless of course you’re super duper rich, and own said giant skyscraper… Plus with how high rent is, where some people legit pay more in rent for a one bedroom apartment that’s 800 square feet, then someone with a 2-3 bedroom home in the suburbs, why would people want to move pay more for a lot less room… Then on top of that, suburbs 98% of them time, have much better public schools, that have a lot less students per teacher then the cities, so the teachers can pay more attention to each student then the teacher in a city public school, and with more students there’s more kids to distract, disrupt, and more chances for your kid to meet the wrong kids and go down the wrong road, with a higher chance of that kid slipping through the cracks with their behavior changes, compared to the suburbs with less kids, who get noticed when they are behaving differently a lot more often the city kids…

[@nathandrake6286]

120k combined with like 4 roommates is 30k per person. I can understand that being complained about.

[@pimpmasterkirbo4383]

Ik destiny is talking in the context of him being a kid so it is not malicious in the slightly but its still funny to hear the sentence "living in an apartment complex I'd have more access to children"

[@Chiefmaster21]

Chris Hansen: take a seat*

[@Wolfpaxrunning]

I'm amazed at the number of comments about "when I was an innocent and optimistic child I could make all the friends, but when I grew up and became jaded and developed strong opinions on religion, politics, and other wedge issues, I struggle with developing new relationships with strangers. The problem is clearly that I live in x location now when I used to live in y location, it couldn't possibly be that I put zero effort, energy, or time into developing some semblance of a community."

[@Realchubbeemane]

In this episode of “Destiny Passionately Discussing Things He Knows Nothing About”, young Steven fails to realize the existence of New Jersey.

[@timmyturner1458]

Just move

[@jloiben12]

12:15 This is actually very true. Infrastructure builds around transportation. If you want to increase development in an area, one of the single best ways to do it is by building the transportation first. It is a very “if you build it they will come” type thing. Interestingly enough, Miami is a great example of this with their high speed rail line. Denver is another example of this. But we can go back further. There is a reason why many towns and cities that have developed post-WWII have been along the highway system. There is a reason why the land right off the highway exit is worth more than the land in a similarly situation area that doesn’t have a highway exit.

[@mutedmutiny9542]

There are a lot of big cities that have train systems that people from the suburbs use everyday to get into the city. The LA metro area, NYC, and I think places like Boston and Philly too.

[@whitejodeci8926]

Yup. I've fallen into when this when i bought my first house. I stopped following a budget and started hemmoraging cash.

[@ftwsam2246]

I agree with Aba in the sense of expanding public transportation, as someone who lives in the suburbs I like taking the train to the city and it would boost traffic in the suburbs. But at the same time Destiny does have a point about townhouses, i don't like apartments cause I can't play loud music or make too much noise. But at the same time Suburban homes you can have your own space, and whenever me and my friends would get together it would always be an adventure. That's what really stuck with me, a sense of adventure now as an adult.