Abandoned Backhoe Rebuilding - Does the Diesel Engine Run Better? Part 8

[@bobdickerson6895]

I would say by sound you have a bit of a burnt exhaust valve. Roll from cylinder to cylinder add air through injection holes and you’ll find it coming though the exhaust.

[@WatchWesWork]

It does sound better. That looks like a Roosa Master injection pump. I've seen a number of these that have kind of random poor running issues due to the flexible coupling on the fly weight basket for the governor inside the pump failing. It's a very common problem. There is an updated 1 piece coupling that eliminates the issue for good. You seem pretty handy, so you might tackle the job yourself. An injection shop can get you the parts.

[@bobfromtheband1]

There's no doubt that it's running better. Before the whole thing was shaking but now it's solid. Well done, pukka job.

[@CB71SS]

Use to run a 580 B back in the late 70 early 80's. That sound brings back a lot of memories. I very seldom did any work with it full throttle, usually about half and it always was a joy to run. Really miss it.

[@rockeerockey6941]

Ask "Western truck and tractor repair! Warren's a fine diesel guy! Very knowledgeable! If you don't find the problem yourself that is! Good luck

[@CB71SS]

I watch Warren's channel all the time and he definitely knows his stuff but the best part of his videos is if he makes a mistake he says he does. Not b.s. about it.

[@garyfeltus9801]

Lots of things to fix. You will get there. Thanks for sharing.

[@shaneisbell1990]

The return line at the pump has an elbow fitting on it if you remove the fitting there is a glass check ball that is spring loaded the underneath of it can get gummed up especially on a machine that has sat for a long time. It stops the extra fuel from being able to return to the tank which causes over fueling. Take some carb cleaner to it and get it cleaned out where the glass ball will freely bounce up and down then put the line back on and see if that doesn't help it smooth out. I hope this helps ya man.

[@dirtydug1831]

Nice job dude. I have a 580 super e that was in about the same condition. Repacked all the cylinders and replaced a shitload of hoses. Works good enough for me but “good enough” is the standard at my house. Really liked the straightening of the rod video. I’m gonna bend mine on purpose just to use that technique. Hillbilly McGyvers rule!

[@mikekisch5563]

i got alot interesting comments on that video.

[@MRrwmac]

I like your attitude, “Fix only what needs fixing”. Sounds like it’s running much better! An engine that old is gonna have a little miss in it but run just fine! You’ve done some really excellent work! Hope you get the PS and brake(s) working the way you want them on the next try. Fingers crossed for ya!

[@amossnowdaharleyman9179]

I do have a field fix tip for you: get some cardboard,a piece about 2' x 2', and put on the ground when you're working on something with small parts that the ground will eat or at least hide very well from you. Saves a lot of time looking for that dang nut that fell "right freaking there".....If working on a concrete slab I put an old towel down for the same reason: had nuts roll away at least several feet then on my hands and knees looking for that odd-ball metric blankety,blank,blank nut.

[@davida267]

Gotta check those lashings at Top Dead Center and make sure that the intake and exhaust have their own tolerances

[@AttitudeAdjuster]

For what you paid for it I think it's a great piece of kit, I don't think many things are faultless and sometimes we don't get it fixed properly or cheap parts are not as good as they should be or faulty from new? There are all sorts of possibilities when we take on Challenges like this and you always have to default back to it was cheap and someone else did not feel it was worth spending the time or money on. But for me, I enjoy the challenge immensely especially when you're doing all the work for me to enjoy? LOL Thanks for taking the time to make the videos as they are helpful, But always remember each piece you fix is one less that you have to deal with, and from where I sit you have done an amazing job. It is good to know if you are having ongoing issues with the brakes and that is strange that the problem followed you from one side to the other. Cheers From Garry in Australia

[@lwrich2229]

Sounds just a little better. Still sounds as some missing is happening. Good effort

[@GrandsonofKong]

I've been enjoying the series. Always love to see old Iron brought back to life! I hope you find yourself a Dip Stick for this soon..that plastic bottle drives me nuts ! :-)

[@mikekisch5563]

i picked one up from a scrap yard where there was an older case with the 207 engine like mine

[@GrandsonofKong]

@@mikekisch5563 I saw you had one installed in later video's, so knew you scored one someplace!

[@Sircraig7963]

G'day.. Thanks for sharing the progress of the machine .. Looks n sounds much better ...however the engine still seems a little rough .. if it's not compression or timing then it's a dirty or worn injector . Spray pattern is CRITICAL for combustion .. Your almost there ...go go go Respect from down under

[@robj2704]

Yeah. If injectors are as cheap as he says, should try putting a set in it. That may be the best cheap test.

[@Sircraig7963]

@@robj2704 Had the same thoughts Rob,, could be other issues ,which a simple pressure test would identify such as a lift or injection pump ,but the injection pump is expensive.So start with a check of injectors spray patterns ..just remove n turn motor over to check . Overall ,,a great little project .

[@michaelproust7891]

Snap On make those wrenches, they are extreme quality, they actually where out, eventually... instead of breaking. They fit in tight places and you can use a Vice Grip wrenches to extend leverage without any issues. Use these to pull motor bikes apart!

[@jimdieseldawg3435]

Yup, she definitely runs better - but to me, it sounds like the exhaust manifold gasket is blowing around at least one port. For the price of some Knock'R'Loose, a few minutes with the spanners and a new gasket (or set of gaskets? Not sure if it's one-piece or individual exhaust gaskets per cylinder), might be worth eliminating that from the checklist. Keep the faith, she'll come good in the end :-)

[@bigunone]

I was given a set of those wrenches when I graduated out of high school in 1974 and your right I haven't seen them for sale in years

[@garybonz]

Even if you have to throw a few extra parts at it you are still way ahead !

[@lewiemcneely9143]

Sounds good to me. The Case engines had a lope and I like them over the Cummins. Cheaper running. As for pins, just run used oil over them and sometime they'll blow through without taking them out. And I like that Chucktown shirt!

[@erinwheeler7084]

That is a Cummins engine. Lol.

[@bobjoncas2814]

...good job, comin' along great. sounds better...good luck with the rest of the resto...

[@guybianchini5752]

wow it was amazing ,,watch the all vids ,, bravo it help me in my quarentine for the virus .. i am ok and hope it is the same for you and your family mm again thank you from canada 29 of march 2020 guy from ottawa canada

[@scottforslund8813]

Infrared thermometer also works awesome for finding weak cylinders

[@kululv]

i sure have the impression it runs smoother! congratulations

[@RebekahTOUCHEDBYYARN]

That was really neat watching you weld by yourself.

[@EddieTheGrouch]

Do you have a point-n-shoot thermometer to check the exhaust runners for a cylinder running cooler than the rest? You can also use cheap white paint on the cold runners and watch if the paint cooks and discolors evenly as it warms up. Soapy water works too for checking from cold start and idle while paint is better as the motor reaches working temp. It's easier to WATCH all cylinders for change than doing the hand dance.

[@mikekisch5563]

That is a helpful tip.

[@scottforslund8813]

On my old case starts to run rough I use injector cleaner and it helps. If you suspect bad injector switch it out with another cylinder and see if it follows it

[@dougwhittaker5502]

Definitely sounds better! You're doing a good job! Keep it up.

[@rebeccaocker6834]

I think it’s sounding really good

[@caverbrad]

Have you asked anybody on the Heavy Equipment Forums under the Tractor/Loader/ Backhoes sub forum about the rough engine? Some participants over there have always been helpful to me on my Case hoe.

[@michelgrenier1878]

Used backhoes tend to turn it's owners into mechanics . Good job .

[@johnpullman3227]

It seems to be a random skip or misfire. I had a Chevy with a worn bushing in the distributor that did this. I replaced the bushing in the distributor and it ran very nicely after that. I wonder if the injector pump has a worn part that is giving bad timing to the engine. I'd pull the injector pump and check the gears driving it for play, check the gear on the end of the injector spindle for play. If something is loose inside the injector you might be able to replace it or at least tighten it up. Otherwise it seems not to be smoking which indicates that the injectors are working OK.

[@mattthescrapwhisperer]

Sure have enjoyed this backhoe series.

[@amossnowdaharleyman9179]

Run better? a bit. Old equipment can become an endless repair. Question to ask is does it run and work as expected without destroying itself.Bought,repaired,sold or kept 20+ farm tractors,5 dozers,crawler loader,4 backhoes... If they function as they should,run in normal coolant range,have good oil pressure,little to no blow-by and are safe to use I call them good to go.On yours you could pull the head and send to a machine shop,do an in-frame,replace all injectors,re-build the injection pump. Might as well pull the radiator and have it cleaned,install a new water pump the t-stat too. Or call it good and go dig stumps etc and deal with a slight intermittent miss.....

[@stevehill4615]

Definitely sounds better, might still be missing a bit but hopefully will improve with more hours (No.2 cylinder might've been "lazy" for a long time so probably gunged/gummed up), unlucky with the brakes saga though (always a pain having put it back together only to find another fault not apparent when initially working on it).

[@robj2704]

Yeah. Hope he didn't put new brake linings in it and have the leak ruin the new ones as well.

[@oldrosestereo843]

Enjoy this channel. Try doing a compression check yet? If not, give it a shot and see how your valves are doing. Good luck.

[@chromedome1120]

And by the way very good videos ,keep up the great work

[@larrymccready6778]

Sounds good, waiting on the next vid alreaady.

[@frankdeegan8974]

If you have a book for this engine read up on the procedure for setting valve lash I am no mechanic but it didn't look right. good luck

[@raymondcooper6443]

I think it is running better. By the way, you missed a spot over there with the power wash.

[@paguy5350]

sounds better Mike.

[@mrbussey]

Don't you have to rotate each cylinder so it's TDC of the compression stroke before adjusting them? I don't know anything about diesel, is it different from gas?

[@mikekisch5563]

yes that is the best practice and the manual has a procedure to do just that. My thoughts (which may be incorrect) is that the cam is rounded on one end and the valve lash should read the same along the rounded part of the cam. Yes there is a TDC procedure to adjust all the valves

[@mrbussey]

@@mikekisch5563 Whatever works for you! More than one way to skin a cat!

[@smathet7766]

It's no different from a gas pot. An engine is an engine.

[@gpowerdragon9852]

Is as a good Idea to have your diesel injectors tested to see if the spray characteristics are good

[@lifeiswhatyoumakeit5505]

Remember The Rule of 9 when doing the clearances.

[@jayhiz3514]

Good fixes, i learned a lot

[@thomasalexander8420]

I think it's running some better

[@oldrosestereo843]

And by the way, like the intro time stamps.

[@gpowerdragon9852]

Is this one of those tractors without an engine computer? Those are nice because you don't have too much electronic bulshit. Issues

[@vivbennett1209]

the valves need adjusting in sequence to proper gap using a screwdriver spanner and feeler gauge BOb1066.

[@randylanhart1796]

ya kin look at it this way. YER FURTHER ALONG THAN WHEN YA FIRST FOUND IT.

[@gregbutler9873]

Mike you are having those “wth” days and I hope you can finish those needed repairs. I think you will need to load up the engine by digging with the backhoe and then moving dirt with your front bucket to test the engine. I’m not sure if you said you swapped out number two injector or not?

[@cynicbeliever40]

like your videos Mike but please work on your sound. very quiet so I crank up the volume then all of a sudden its so loud it blows me away.

[@tyecoleman4245]

well i could say you did this wrong and that wrong(but im vary impressed)from the first to the last vary good vids.MK KEEP UP THE GRATE WORK

[@PaulHigginbothamSr]

it is running better but I swear that sounds like the governor or something isn't having it run at a level speed.

[@rokitman5753]

It could have a weak piston return spring on its way out?

[@mikekisch5563]

yeah it still runs a little rough, but i have been using it like it is.

[@ericcapucci9869]

sounds better

[@johneaston2348]

Nice series Mike!

[@salvageman1983]

Sounds good but someone put a 15 series fan belt in place of the 17 series belt.

[@mikekisch5563]

thats funny the fan belt broke and i had to replace it. i ended up using a tractor supply Kevlar belt. I am not sure of the series i used

[@salvageman1983]

@@mikekisch5563 The belt on there was too narrow. I got a couple Fiat Allis loaders, they use the wider 17 series belts.

[@vincegallegos2623]

Swivel head..still make them,good tools

[@mikekisch5563]

thats good to know.

[@ca8084]

Needs injectors checked or replaced and the pump rebuilt.Ask your local heavy equip mechanic who in the area rebuilds them. I also happen to own 2 case 188s and mine sound alot healthier.There is a small chance of valve leakage,but highly dout it..

[@morgansword]

Mike, it still has a skip to it and like a person mentioned, check for even heat on cylinders as a piece of carbon or what ever could be the problem. You say it set for a while and its likely that you need a valve grind to fix it right but then where do you stop at. It may come out by running a while or finally just get worse and then you can find and fix. I don't know if that has the baby cummins in it or what but if it is then taking heads off and grinding valves is a full days work if everything is in your favor. Right now with winter knocking on the door so spring has its blessings unless you have a place out of the mud and muck... good luck as I hear frustration in your voice. Normally and I know that you have worked on steering, it ain't hard to solve the issues but without being there I am just a arm chair jerk

[@mikekisch5563]

i am glad to hear from you. It has the case 207 engine and not the cummins. I did crack the injector pipes again and found another injector that seems to be not running right so i ordered another one. I think i might do something i didnt want to do which is testing the compression when i replace the injector.

[@kennethquackenbush8450]

Its the injectors I know I work on these machines all the time

[@SirChevy]

It sounds like there's a leak or a crack in the exhaust manifold.

[@camperman101]

DID YOU BRING EACH PISTON TO TDC ON THE COMPRESSION STROKE BEFORE YOU ADJUSTED THE VALVES ON THAT CYLINDER ? I DONT THINK THIS GUY HAS ALOT OF EXPERIENCE WITH HEAVY EQUIP.

[@OilHist]

Yes, he needs to be sure the closed valve tappet is on the lowest part of the cam lobe. Probably safe to adjust the intake of each cylinder if the exhaust valve is wide open, and to adjust each exhaust valve when the intake is wide open.

[@nevillewomersley7841]

Yes, it6 sounds better to me -WoolgoolgaNSW Australia

[@bobsimpson7112]

keet up the good work

[@pidjones]

The engine performance can only be judged under load when working hard. It is bound to sound better as the bad fuel deposits are flushed out.

[@mikekisch5563]

I hope so. right now i am getting fuel in the oil. i will keep a close eye on it.

[@magoo_1990]

Mike Kisch when my injector pump was going bad, i got fuel in the oil. Rebuilt injector pump and set the correct timing and all is good. I have 580b

[@powerram92]

@@mikekisch5563 my Massey Ferguson 65 tractor has 13,000 hours on it and is now getting fuel in the oil and oil in the fuel. One day Im going have to figured it why it's doing that lol

[@davidp8157]

@@powerram92 as above probably tired injector pump

[@clearskyamerica3107]

Running much better

[@radekcernik6119]

If you want onlymake test so witch 1st and 2nd injector. Than make the same test. If problem will still on 2nd cylinder, injector is OK, other way you know you have to buy new one.

[@georgeledford5556]

sounds better...be a good yard dog to have around your place ,with not much money in it...cousin has one just like it....you must be a mech on heavy equipment..you seem to be seasoned

[@markreading6377]

What you working on

[@chiptoth9783]

What. Year is the 580 ? I had a 1975 480 B yours looks slightly newer

[@mikekisch5563]

1980

[@mikekisch5563]

Does yours have the rollover protection?

[@chiptoth9783]

Mike Kisch it did, Just the other day I stumbled on your KZbin videos and it reminded me of the one I had. I had done many repairs as you, I even replaced the motor because it had a cracked block. Not sure what power steering problems you have but mine had a filter inside the pump. I pulled the pump off flushed it out and replaced the filter. After that you have to re prime the pump by continuing to rotate the steering wheel to the right in complete circles until it pumps up. I think it mine took more than 5 minutes or so

[@lynalford7782]

I've got one in Australia

[@Ebikelover]

Does sound a little smoother to me.

[@renejackson7652]

Sounds better to me but I think I hear a valve or injector sticking. Intermittent knock. Could also be my imagination.

[@jerryminney3555]

maybe all new injectors ?

[@eric_seguin]

Adjusting valves has to be done methodically. Learn the procedure and do it right. Half-assed gets you no ass. If you don't do it right it will make you think you have problems all over the place. Great videos but you have to be cleaner when messing with hydraulics. They can be very unforgiving.

[@mikekisch5563]

the idea was one cylinder wasnt contributing to the engine and i could hear a miss, the adjustment is more or less to verify all the valves are opening and closing as they should. i was really hoping for a obvious problem that i could fix and make the engine run like it shoould. i couldnt really tell if it ran any better, but i know it never fixed the problem, i am about 90 percent sure one cylinder wasnt delveloping enough compression. also mechanically speaking the cam should be round with a lobe on it, so checking the valves at any point along the rounded part should give a good indication of clearance. that was the procedure to check the valve at the round on the cam.

[@tigerspook1]

The exhaust sounds like it has a leak, a crack in the manifold would cause the engine run ruff..

[@nato1968fm]

WORKING.

[@tiredoldmechanic1791]

It's difficult to tell how it's running from the sound on a video. That machine appears to have been on a zero maintenance schedule and severely abused. You might have to compression check the engine, do a cylinder leak down test or pressure check the pump.

[@jamesbergeron8356]

run a compression test on all cylinders

[@billcanell9058]

your sound is a bit soft and then normal from time to time, good video for the rest check your mic

[@roygabriel.2753]

Your audio levels are fluctuating up and down.

[@rlewis1946]

Does excavator equipment of this age have ODBII systems, to help diagnose engine performance? RL

[@mikekisch5563]

no in fact it will run with no battery all mechanical

[@RebekahTOUCHEDBYYARN]

It still sounds like its missing.

[@arbez.nation]

That fire could have solved all your problems...

[@swabbster3]

New shit I command injectors off, old shit use a inferred heat gun on the exhaust manifold.

[@sjd73ss]

Id say there is at least 1 more bad injector. Check them all again

[@chromedome1120]

Well she’s running a little. better but I feel you have a bad valve on that second cylinder

[@ritchiehill3442]

It's still missing

[@robj2704]

Yeah. I'm starting to suspect a valve job may be in order. Valves are designed to spin because the lifters ride slightly off-center of the cam and spin, as I recall. When a low spot on the valve meets a low spot on the seat it will miss.

[@ritchiehill3442]

@@robj2704 I really think you have compression problem

[@robj2704]

@@ritchiehill3442 Only when I eat beans.

[@TheGreatdane56]

To bad cant read your messages Red type doesn't work You should have caught that when you edited and typed it in Try. WHITE next time

[@wynottgivemore9274]

Oh there was writing there I missed it all together, yeah The red writing does not work there.

[@CarlosFernando-dg8dw]

Gosto dos seus videos, pois tenho uma retroescavadeira Casé 580h ano 78 parecida com a sua, e gostaria que vc colocasse legendas em português para que eu entendesse o que vc fala, pois seria de grande ajuda para mim! Valeu, Abraço irmão!

[@douglasthompson2740]

Your audio mike is way too directional. As you change your head up down and side to side the volume jumps and dives.

[@sparky8440]

better, but still not right. compression check will point the finger

[@shitindawoodsbear5956]

Boy, i sure do cuss a lot more than you when im working on my old 580ck. Thats an odd one on how its running. The audio does sound like a miss. Damn near impossible its a burnt/broke valve/seat because atomized, unburned fuel would be coming out of the stack in a white cloud. Also the nozzles (those arent injectors- technically) when they go bad, USUALLY dump fuel in the cylinder and itll black smoke like a bastard. I wonder if youre pulling air on the suction side. Or possibly a nozzle is seized shut...rare but it happens..ive seen it . As far as injection pump timing being out, that wouldnt cause just one cylinder to miss. They'd all be off. And for the timing to be "out" it would mean really bad tooth wear on the gears....nah. You can look for air in the fuel system by placing a hunk of clear hose/tubing on the return line. You can return the fuel in a bucket id easier than going "inline" with the return. If you see a crap load of bubbles in the line obviously youre pulling air. Ive been cussing at diesel engines professionally for too long to care much anymore, but just trying to help. Good luck buddy. Cool videos!

[@kylenewberry9439]

Sounds as if it may have a dead cylinder ma have washed the number 2 out

[@John-vb1fk]

Idle is too high.

[@mikekisch5563]

i ordered some more injectors today. it still is a little rough.

[@jaybailey8044]

No! It's not running better in my point of view

[@hamrec3960]

No

[@joseluismiotamorillas4358]

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