ABB TRIO 20 kW Solar Inverter - Unboxing and Teardown

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

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[@jakezander1938]

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[@luckygen1001]

What a great video about tearing down a solar inverter. I have one that is rated for 7kw and am waiting for cooler weather to enjoy the tear down. I found it on garbage day in my area. It is really amazing as to what people throw out!

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

Nice find, any visible signs of not working?

[@luckygen1001]

I took the cover of and had a quick look but it looks like it is new. I am thinking that maybe they upgraded to a higher output model? It is a cheap chinese brand and costs about $1200 Australian dollars. After I saw your video I subscribed!

[@AbdulAhad-qe3jb]

Hy kaizer, you said Right, that i really enjoyed the video Really its a massive engineering Thumbs up for you

[@r3tr0nic]

Very nice! Love how you tear ir apart brand new outta the box, exactly what I'd do. Isn't it so awesome when you find such well built tech for next to nothing or free?! Reminds me of the brand spankin new APC Symmetra UPS I got, I couldn't believe it... Price I paid would not of even covered the freight cost. Donno how some of these entities do it... Someone somewhere has got to be taking the loss... But its always so fun! That is, when it is these large scale inverters and UPS's. The domestic stuff is not that fun. I had an oppty to pick up 96kW 3Ph outdoor solar inverters for $850 each... I just didn't have the room though, they were HUGE! Would of made for a hell of a tear down video. That is ofc if I would of ever gotten around to editing and posting. I'm horrible at that... Just like your inverter in the video, most of the larger inverters and UPCs I have collected all use TO-220 discreet, and quite modular-ish. Perhaps for easy factory repair or in-field service. I don't mind it though, makes for heaps of useful components, heatsinks, etc as well as scalable future projects. Thanks for sharing and hope you keep getting these awesome finds *^^*

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

It is a financial jump through hoops, sure someone is loosing money somewhere, but the losses are tax-deductibles. "A write-down is an accounting term for the reduction in the book value of an asset when its fair market value (FMV) has fallen below the carrying book value, and thus become an impaired asset." $850 is still a steep price for something seemingly unuseful and super heavy ;)

[@KokkimelonChannel]

Can that inverter work without the wiring box?Can we found a way to connect directly to the main inverter?

[@DanielRowe]

What a nice looking inverter.

[@engsam7759]

what is the aluminum case on the left at 5:36 ??

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

That is a mobile Phone base station Amplifier. 3x 70W at 1800MHz, check out my Teardown play list for at least 10 teardown videos of RF equipment like this.

[@wangarooi]

Good stuff......what about the control algorithm...where software meets the silicon.

[@gth042]

It's good to see your teardown habit indeed has a limit. As someone on 60Hz however, I seem to have a different take on its disposition. :) ...(Didn't find firmware itself on the website for "adjusting" the frequency trip limit)

[@thiagor2656]

Cool video!

[@SAMGO4]

where is the DRSSTC III? It's been a while that I didn't see that TC

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

In a couple of weeks time I start building transport cases for it, I will do a video about that aswell, in order to move it to a location for test for a hopefully upcoming event next year :)

[@SAMGO4]

Nice! My school proposed me to build a gigant musical tesla coil and will pay me all the hardware!! Do you have any advice? I want ti build something 3Phase powered around 15kW like yours or the one from Goodchild

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

It is a pretty huge project and very costly if you go out and buy the parts from new. It took me 4 years to complete in hobby time, well also with a lot of travel for work and having kids meanwhile, but still :) All my advice is written down in my DRSSTC design guide: kaizerpowerelectronics.dk/tesla-coils/drsstc-design-guide/ Best of luck with your project, please do sign up at www.highvoltageforum.net and show your building progress and get help on the project :)

[@SAMGO4]

@@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk Thanks! I already have an account on high-voltage forum ;)

[@bluetrepidation]

Could do AC coupled off grid install but that 20kw is a little overkill for home use.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

I would need a bigger house to fit all the panels :)

[@ElektronikBastelstube]

Whats a Giant Inverter :O OMG ♥ .. Mads, use this for Solar Powered 20kW Teslacoils ☼ ^^ Green Power for "Receive Lightning" :D Cheers ;)

[@CATA20034]

Hy, I have the bigger version, 27KW one. Beefy stuff! All caps are MKP. I think on the output stages are the same. Unfortunately I have an issue with the control board. ABB has some good Inverters, previous they had issue with the relays. It's interesting that on mine I don't remember the copper cooling fins on the relay board for the traces.... have to check it. If by any chances you will take it apart, I'm interested in the communication board and the input box.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

Thank you for that correction, I mistook them for being beefy test points, so it is really PCB heat sinks? The inverter will not get chopped up just yet :)

[@corvanhoutum6913]

Hi Gatea , what issue you have with the control board

[@petascalecomputing]

good video!

[@dott.juliushide3000]

beautiful...

[@ameerm4899]

Could you make a video of solar pumping inverter and vfds from ABB vs other companies from China and share quality differences

[@barjammar]

Hi thanks for the video. Have you located the manual for this beast? ABB don't do solar I hear. My TRIO is giving an error which might be just a menu item fix, but I also want to see the WLAN connection to save me standing in the hot sun trying to read it. These highly reflective LCD panels are a problem, at least it has a backlight I suppose if daytime is not too bright. I'm in Western Australia - Gingin ** Re manual - I found it at manuals.lib I can see that I have a yellow light and an E004 error "BULK 0V" (over-voltage DC-DC circuit) voltage on the which could be an internal component or overvoltage on the external grid. - E004 - Bulk OV - Yellow LED “Bulk” over-voltage (DC-DC circuit): Error inside the inverter. The alarm is raised when the voltage at the heads of the bulk capacitors exceeds the Over Voltage threshold (internal unchangeable threshold). • The alarm may be triggered by causes external to the inverter: - An excessive input voltage can be recorded as a condition for bulk over voltage. In this case it is advisable to check the inverter's input voltage and should this value be close to the input OV threshold, review the configuration of the photovoltaic generator. - Excessive grid voltage could cause the bulk voltage to rise in uncontrolled fashion with a consequent protection intervention and hence generation of the alarm. In these cases the alarm is transitory and the inverter automatically restarts - The alarm may be triggered by causes inside the inverter and in this case it is necessary to contact customer assistance.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

I sold the unit with everything. I am sorry that I can not help you.

[@barjammar]

@@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk I found the info - just posted here in case someone is looking.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

Thanks for coming back to share it. Sharing is caring :)

[@movax20h]

That is much smaller than I expected. It must be pretty good efficiency.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

They are also designed for a much higher operating temperature, with only passive cooling at the backside of the unit.

[@Zainabartandcraft...]

Super

[@giovanni4151]

thanks for the video bro

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

Any time!

[@giovanni4151]

@@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk I'm really displeased that they do not make it anymore, it looks really well made

[@davidca96]

Now thats an inverter.

[@krisLight594]

UH!! it will be nice to put some of this snubbers in DRSSTC!! And chokes for buck converter for QCW

[@KenKnowledge]

Im pretty sure it Will sell in Sweden. Try to put it on 'Blocket dot se', since its a Swedish inverter as well.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

It has found a new home a while ago, but thank you for the suggestion.

[@mikaeljiskovkristensen7861]

with all this igbt's you can make a seriously powerfull induction heater or a teslacoil.

[@SuperBrainAK]

wow that is really cool! what will you be using it for?

[@FixDaily]

Probably solar panel energy which it's its main function

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

So far it will sit in a corner, it can still be used in installations that was done with the same model before changes to allowed models. But my hopes are not high to find someone needing a spare :)

[@scratchpad7954]

20 kW, you say? I would be torn between setting this up as a Tesla high-power wall connector or buying two to connect in parallel in order to power my entire house.

[@CliveChamberlain946]

I missed this one.. did you find a buyer yet? Maybe an off-grid Danish farmer could buy it if you can get him a deal on about 60 Panasonic 300w panels and maybe 1000kg of glass mat storage batteries... you know.. just to keep the party going! :-)

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

It did get a new home, far far under retail price, but I had nowhere to store it and its usability was diminishing every day :)

[@noimnotarobotcanubeleiveit7024]

again, they make a medium power inverter but use toy transistors. it makes more sense to use high power switching and keep gate drives short. i just built a 20kw single phase unit and it weighs no more than 5kg with water cooling.

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

Smaller switches are used to reach the strict goal on inverter efficiency. That is most likely the only reason.

[@crabstring6386]

What is the price on this unit

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

I think the retail price for this was around 7000-8000€

[@richeagleton5285]

I’ll buy it from you

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

Its long gone :)

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

Send it to me.. here in Africa we can install everything anywhere even if it's a joke (infact we always install jokes and charge huge for it)

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

I wish it would have been possible, but reasons, shipping it there would cost more than just buying one in Africa :)

[@kelvinpragassa4871]

@@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk here everything costs way way over what it shud.. that can be wrapped as a gift to a certain village and solar items are considered tax free esp if to help in education

[@x1x4x1]

wait. regulations because the technology of that iverter is bad, or because of financial - political profits of some " people ?

[@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk]

In order to combat cheap inverters coming in from China, that only has a CE stamp for sale purposes and not to actually document that the product is living up to the CE mark, a positive-list was made. To get on the positive-list the manufacturer had to send in documentation within a certain time frame on previous projects/products and they would get accepted as previous installed base. Those that did not do it in time are now subject to a rigorous paper work and it was simply cheaper to throw out the old inverters and only do paper work for the new types/products.

[@x1x4x1]

@@KaizerPowerElectronicsDk thats not a bad thing , even if involves a sh1tload of burocracy .but that will kick in the small people , who wont aford to buyit so.. yes, i know its a loooong subject . anyway , what you say has sence and logic

[@giovanni4151]

made in italy