Wait, so does RUNAWAYS have a new timeline placement?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Join the conversation with over 1900 members on the discord server: discord.gg/a-bit-of-everything Marvel Wiki Side-by-side timeline comparison: marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Criszz/Runaways_Timelines_Comparison

[@Buffy8Fan]

Funny thing is because my timeline order is just as much about watch order as timeline order, _Runaways_ moved up two slots (above Agents of Shield S4), while _Cloak and Dagger_ didn't move, but just had changes in the in-universe seasons. The last person I watched timeline videos on before this channel only had seasons set instead of months and days because he couldn't narrow them down further than that. So that also helped in not moving them further.

[@fryingpan770]

Im crying bro the fact we had to try and figure out the timeline of runaways through star wars battlefront is hilarious 😭😭

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol! Star Wars Battlefront continues to have relevance in pop culture!

[@supertoxicgamer]

youre crying?

[@fryingpan770]

@@supertoxicgamer crying laughing

[@monelmonelmonel]

😭🤣🤣

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@MCLegoboy]

Imagine going through a bunch of crazy time travel stuff, feeling like you can finally relax, and then your friends and family turn to dust and there's no way to prevent it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...yeah, that's pretty wild to think about it that way. And you gotta love that Star Wars Battlefront was a key piece of the timeline. Crazy!

[@MCLegoboy]

@@AbitofEverything4U Never played it. I know Movies and Shows, and whatever anyone tells me about the other stuff.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Same!

[@scoops929]

That calendar is a war crime lmao

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? Like you actually have to TRY to make it look that bad...or you have to be very, very drunk while making it. My word!

[@okamifang4059]

Agreed

[@T.W.W.B.]

It’s a leap year, duh 😂

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Or a leap leap leap year, as the case may be!

[@ruancunha5935]

Runaways and Cloak and Dagger are the series that introduced me to the MCU so they have a special place for me.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...that's very cool. What a great intro to the MCU!

[@ItsJustBlakey]

I'm actually in the middle of watching runaways and cloak and dagger together in release order, so I'm going to stick this video in my watch later until im done!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Perfect! And if you just want to see the timeline overview, you can find it here: drive.google.com/file/d/1GOVcYa39zqOAD06gYILyLtjSmrGWRrtS/view?usp=drive_link

[@LuigiHann]

Helstrom taking place mid-blip actually fits the vibe of the show pretty well

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...fits really well!

[@NicBrandon]

I’ve been rewatching the MCU in chronological order since last May and I’m literally in the October 2017 timeframe with Iron Fist S2 right now, so this came out at a very fortunate time.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiiiice! That's awesome!

[@Blazecap]

18:00 I have a relatively good explanation for all the inconsistencies with time trivial: Different methods applied means different rules come with it. Remember EG used the quantum realm(kang’s domain) so it makes perfect sense that method would create branches and more opportunities for kang to rise up. Cabel’s time watch doesn’t seem to use the quantum realm at all(perhaps without an ant-man or hank pym quantum physicist is’t that far along in the FOX universe) so no branches DOFP only the mind was sent back so again it wouldn’t be a branch or the TVA wouldn’t prune it. When the time travel here seems to not use the quantum realm so no branches DOFP only

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I think that's a great way to explain the time travel differences. Nicely done!

[@REYTRACER]

In Agents of Shield you also have the monoliths. I don't know why there can't just be multiple ways and rules of time travel lol

[@lawznwdsc]

That's a really good explanation

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

Cable's time machine only affects the Fox universe, not the MCU. I don't like they change Cables device to time travel to universal travel.

[@vishnugopalawasthi5888]

If you don't change the narrative, you wouldn't cause a branch. As simple as that. Fox version is different bcz it's a different universe altogether.

[@reyesreviews]

The fact that The Runaways are getting more and more attention (through this video, Nico being in YFNSM) i hope they one day get the Daredevil treatment and they make their way into the MCU

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's my hope as well. It seems like it's being rediscovered again and that's a great sign!

[@Pinkfriesss]

I wish I could watch it tho, Runaways is the only marvel show not on Disney + in my country, the only way to watch it is through piracy, such a shame cause I've been on the Nico hype this year with Spidey, finally playing midnight suns and reading ultimate x-men

[@reyesreviews]

@@Pinkfriesss if you have an app called CW it's on there

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@Pinkfriesss You can view it here: www.cwtv.com/shows/runaways/. It has commercials, but it is free, so that's a win.

[@Pinkfriesss]

@@AbitofEverything4U thanks!

[@coolerkerl8469]

No Way! I was waiting for this so I could update my timeline! 🔥

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, this new timeline fits so nicely!

[@phillynicko]

Amazing video! Thanks for keeping track of all these changes

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love the new timeline placement. It works so well!

[@jeremymorris345]

Man, I didn't realize Cloak and Dagger and Runaways were connected to the Defenders. Kinda weird that they don't get a timeline placement yet. Same with AoS.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love how interconnected the pre-Disney+ shows were. Would love to see Marvel add them back into the sacred timeline at some point.

[@Rtd976]

I added them to the watchlist I created. My marvel timeline: 1/29/25 update (All content up to date up to the release of Thunderbolts*) -The infinity saga is arranged by looper and the following sagas are all arranged by me. -All numbered (1,2,3,etc.) content is the MCU/sacred timeline. Those are the movies, shows and shorts that you want to watch in order. -Anything marked with a “•” is additional/optional content for the advanced fan (added by myself). -I added the defenders, fox-verse, agent Carter and misc content to accompany the main timeline and fill in the gaps. -The key to the symbols are located at the bottom of the list. --infinity saga-- 1. Iron man 2.iron man 2 3.Incredible Hulk 4. The consultant (*marvel one shot) 5. Funny thing happened (*) 6. Thor 7. Capt. America •[@-Agent Carter S:1-2] 8. Agent Carter (*) 9. Avengers •[A@-AOS S1:E6] 10. Item 47 (*) •[%-Cloak and dagger S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:1] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:1] •[DS@-Daredevil S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:1] •[%-Cloak and dagger S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:1] •[DS@-The Defenders] •[DS@-The Punisher S:1] •[A@-AOS S1:E2-5] •[A@-AOS S1:E7] •[A@-AOS S1:E10-16] 11. Capt. America & winter soldier •[A@-AOS S1:E17-22] 12. Thor: dark world •[A@-Agents of shield S1:E8] •[A@-AOS S1:E1] 13. Iron man 3 14. All hail the king (*) •[%@-Howard the duck] 15. Guardians of the galaxy •[A@-AOS S2:E1-19] 16. Avengers: age of ultron •[A@-AOS S2:E20-22] •[A@-AOS S1:E9] 17. Ant man •[A@-AOS S3:E1-19] 18. Capt. America: civil war •[A@-AOS S3:E20-22] •[@-Inhumans] •[%-Ghostrider] •[%-Ghostrider: Spirit of Vengeance] •[A@-AOS S:4 E:1-22] •[%-Helstrom] 19. Black panther •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:2] •[DS@-Luke Cage S:2] •[DS@-Iron Fist S:2] •[DS@-Daredevil S:3] •[DS@-The Punisher S:2] •[DS@-Jessica Jones S:3] 20. Spider man: homecoming 21. Guardians of the galaxy 2 22. Dr. Strange •[%-Runaways S:1-3] •[A@-AOS S:5 E:1-11] 23. Thor: ragnarok •[A@-AOS S:5 E:12-22] 24. Infinity war •[A@-AOS S:6 E:1-13] 25. Ant man & the wasp •[A@-AOS S:7 E:1-13] 26. Capt. Marvel 27. Endgame ---after tony saga--- 28. Spider man: far from home 29. Thor: love and thunder 30. Falcon and the winter soldier 31. Black widow 32. Hawkeye 33. Guardians of the galaxy: xmas special 34. Guardians of the galaxy 3 35. Echo 36. Shang-chi 37. She hulk 38.Daredevil: Born again (€) 39.Wakanda forever 40. Secret invasion 41. Moon knight 42. Werewolf by night 43. Wandavision --multiverse saga-- 44. Loki S:1 45. What if S:1 46. Quantumania 47. Loki S:2 48. What if S:2 •[$%-Madame web] 49. Venom ($) 50. Into the spider verse ($) 51. Venom 2 ($) •[%-Spider man 1-3] •[%-Amazing Spider Man 1-2] 52. Spider man: no way home •[$%-Morbius] 53. Dr. Strange: multiverse of madness 54. Across the spider verse ($) 55. Venom 3 ($) •[@-YFNH Spider-Man] •[$%-Kraven] 56. Ms. Marvel 57. The marvels •[@-X-men ‘96] 58. X-men ‘97 •[%-Fox X-men saga (release date order)] •[%-The New mutants] •[%-Legion] •[%-The Gifted] 59. Deadpool 60. Deadpool 2 •[%-Fox Daredevil] •[%-Elektra] •[%-Dolph Lundgrens Punisher] •[%-Lionsgate Punisher] •[%-Punisher:Warzone] •[%-Fantastic 4 (C. Evans version)] •[%-Rise of the silver surfer] •[%-Blade Trilogy] 61. Wolverine and Deadpool 62. Agatha all along 63. Eternals 64. Capt. America: brave new world(€) 65. Thunderbolts(€) 66. What if S:3 -I included Deadpool Into the mcu timeline because he is now a part of the mcu and his three movies add to the continuity of the timeline. Unreleased content as of 1/29/25: 1.Thunderbolts(€) 2.Capt. America: brave new world(€) 3.Fantastic 4 4Avengers: Doomsday 5.Avengers: Secret wars 6.Daredevil: born again(€) 7.Ironheart 8.Marvel zombies 9.Eyes of wakanda 10.Xmen97 S:2 11.Wonder man 12.Spider-man Noir 13.Dr. Strange 3 14.Spider-man 4 15.Young Avengers/Champions? 16.Nova? 17.The Midnight sons? 18.Blade? €-from the looks of it, these two movies may continue where the eternals left off. We just have to wait and see (update: the eternals is the build up to CA brave new world and Thunderbolts so I placed it after Deadpool and Wolverine). •I am also predicting “What if…” S:3 will take place after X-men ‘97 due to the appearance of the watcher. If this is not the case, I will move it to its correct space in the timeline. (Edit: moved “what if” to new slot due to the appearance of the eternals, Agatha harkness, and characters that have made appearances, up to the release of season 3). •YFNH Spider-man is an alternate timeline but still based on Tom Hardy’s Spider-Man so I placed it here, because it adds to the spider-man portion of the multiverse saga; even though it’s not considered canon. If there are mentions of other multiverse events, I will move it to its correct slot and correct its classification. (Edit: I moved the series to this slot based on the appearance of Dr. Strange and what he mentioned in regards to being in that universe). •I placed DD:BA here because of the events of Echo. The gold helmet also shows up and that was the one he wore in she hulk. I will move the show to its correct slot after the conclusion of this season. @-stand-alone sagas/episodes that are seperate, but still contribute to the continuity of the sacred timeline. %-included for the hell of it. •You don’t have to watch the fox movies, or punisher flicks-but it adds to the WADP and SMNWH cameos. •I also included Cloak and dagger under this category because it mentions Luke Cage and Misty. •Leigion, the gifted, and the new mutants, accompany the fox X-men saga (They have nothing to do with the Deadpool movies or mentioned anywhere alse on the MCU timeline). •The Ghost rider movies also contribute to the origin of Reyes’ Ghostrider in AOS S:4. •Runaways was added because of the Dr. Strange references and mentions the Loa from cloak and dagger. •Madam web is trash. I put it there because it introduces the web of events and opens up the 616 to the Sonyverse (post what if…S:2). •Madame web, Kraven, and Morbius can all suck a fat one. You don’t have to watch them but they add to a dark time in the multiverse saga. •Howard the duck was added as requested by utvFalseGod. Its also is the first marvel movie made, and introduces HTD to the mcu, in the GOTG post credit scene. A-Agents of shield episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. DS-Defenders saga episodes that precede and/or proceed main events in the main MCU timeline. $-Sonyverse, aka trash (Venom and the spiderverse flicks are cool, but the rest suck). Let me know what you think and enjoy the list! “I can do this all day.”

[@LuigiHann]

It'll be a while before the Runaways makes it onto the Disney+ MCU timeline in particular, since Disney apparently took Runaways off Disney+ and Hulu altogether, ostensibly to save some money 🙃 Real bummer because the show's pretty good overall.

[@Rtd976]

@ very good show

[@gechoman44iwantahippo]

There are inconsistencies and plot holes created by most of those shows being canon. There aren’t with the Defenders shows.

[@RusianSpy]

I'm glad the MCU Wiki did this re-evaluation. I'm currently doing a chronological rewatch of the entire MCU, and there's been a few times where I found things head-scratching, or even just wrong. I didn't get to the Cloak & Dagger/Runaways era yet, but I'm glad it'll be more proper once I do. Thank you for making the video!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I really like this new placement!

[@darwinfernandez8069]

Bro I’ve been subbed for a while now and it still amazes me how thorough and well researched every video is. Like always great job 👏

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! That's very nice of you to say. It's alot of work, but I just feel like I should pack the vids with as much info as possible. Also, really appreciate your support of the channel!

[@nickidk0976]

There’s actually a few more MCU Easter eggs in Helstrom. Small stuff, like a Roxxon sign, O’Harrens bottle, New Orleans Gazette, San Francisco Tribute, and Dallas Records making prop appearances. a cool little unintentional connection was that a knife that the Blood had was stated to be a replica. That knife ended up being the exact same prop as Sersi’s blade from the opening scene of Eternals. So unintentionally, the Blood had a replica of Sersi’s knife. If you want to fit it in canon, the replica was stated to be copied from the blade stolen from the Iraq Museum in 2003, which in the MCU is in the British museum in 2023 with Sersi. So at some point from before 2003, the knife was replicated and obtained by the blood, and was the real one was stolen from the Iraq Museum. At some point between 2020 and 2023, the British museum got the real knife back

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow...cool story about the knife. And yeah, those other small easter eggs are very cool! It was a fun series. Bummer it only got one season.

[@adrianhaack4081]

I would assume in the sacred timeline any time travel we see is simply allowed by the TVA just like the Avengers time travel, so as many times as we see people time travel, there must be many more failed attempts in the MCU due to being blocked by the TVA or something.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good points. Yeah, that could definitely explain all the time travel we've seen.

[@thetotalrandomguy]

It's interesting how the different Marvel TV shows were treated differently by Marvel Studios I know Feige said the Marvel television projects were on the "outskirts of continuity" back in 2014 but their actions strongly point that Marvel Studios never cared much for Marvel television and they were just being nice or forced by Disney to pretend it was all connected. I think Agents of SHIELD was given some info about the MCU because it was the first show so they paid attention to it more, the showrunners were related to Joss Whedon, and Whedon's production company was involved and was a direct spinoff of an MCU character.... After Joss Whedon left the studio, the connections and tie-in episodes stopped (apart from the Sokovia Accords and Raft being referenced). Agent Carter was given some love as well because it was also a direct spinoff of an MCU character (that was still showing up in in MCU movies) and the Russos and Feige were credited as producers (in fact Joe Russo directed an episode)... that's probably why it's the only Marvel TV show to get a proper cameo in the MCU during that era and is still referenced in 2 episodes in What If Season 3... because the Russos and Feige were specifically involved in both and they're invested in continuing to use the Agent/Captain Carter character. Other than those 2, I don't think the MCU cared for any other projects that were Marvel Television originals and not MCU movie spinoffs. Joss Whedon leaving and Ike Perlmutter getting kicked out to the TV side in 2015 really stopped any potential for further collaboration even for SHIELD and Carter shows....... Everyone just got lucky that almost all show timelines ended pre-snap Brad Winderbaum's comments on how they decided on making the Netflix shows canon implies that "TV shows are canon" are not the default way of thinking at the studio and it wasn't until the creative overhaul were they open to accepting the Netflix shows.

[@LuigiHann]

I thought it was pretty wild that What If season 3's Agatha Harkness episode pulls elements directly out of the Agent Carter series (Howard Stark running a movie studio, and his particular dynamic with butler Jarvis, only really exist in the context of that show) so that's pretty encouraging. Whether they're prime timeline or not, the older shows are still in the mix on some level.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@thetotalrandomguy I agree, it's so bizarre to see how those Pre-D+ shows have been treated. But that said, Feige was understandably upset that it was a separate division and so the shows weren't under his supervision and so he now views them as being step-children in that regard. However, it was encouraging to see the Netflix shows get such a warm return to canon and I agree with @LuigiHann that things are looking good for Agent Carter to get the nod soon. Fingers crossed!

[@dragonbreath649]

What are you talking about I have numerous clips of Feigie reaffirming their canonicity over the years And even Feigie saying in 2020 that he respects those shows because they’re loved by fans So they’ve always been treated as canon also the shows have been referenced in subtle ways in the movies

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@dragonbreath649 yeah, my hope is that they get added back into the Disney+ timeline soon!

[@FS_shore]

I think it would be neat if they would confirm these shows and AOS as canon to the timeline already since secret wars is likely to do a soft reboot - might as well stack everything into the current timeline before a reset

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think alot of fans would agree on that!

[@midnightearth1015]

been saying this for years especially since they added the netflix shows into canon

[@cdbsstudios4456]

Agreed. Since The Defenders are becoming more connected now with Daredevil: Born Again maybe we’ll finally get them in the prime MCU.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@bluebellsforever]

Im the reason that this video exists ! Strangely enough, its not the first time that happened.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Here 4 U!

[@oldi3Games]

​@@bluebellsforeverthank you I've been waiting for ppl to talk about this

[@bluebellsforever]

​@@AbitofEverything4U3:14 it's almost like the guy in charge of the movies and shows is more credible than the streaming service who can't talk and has no personality ! Who would've thought ?!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@ariki08]

Saving this to watch next monthish once I'm done with the Defenders saga. Can't wait

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Have fun rewatching the Defenders saga. Loved those shows!

[@dragonbreath649]

He didn’t say rewatch

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oops… You’re right he didn’t say that. If it’s a first watch, then he’s really in for a treat!

[@Camkasal]

I’m sorry but NO other channel on KZbin would go into this much investigative detail! It’s why you’re EASILY the best channel to watch!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's so nice of you to say. Really appreciate it!

[@lindsayduede]

Thank you for doing this!! Always love the timeline updates. For what it’s worth, Mardi Gras can be in March!(like this year) - I’m not sure if that would change anything whole scale but worth noting!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh, great point! I should have said that it was in February in 2017. Thanks for pointing that out.

[@guessur]

I'll give Jeph Loeb this much...he did his best to keep up with the MCU. He certainly made sure the shows left cool easter eggs across networks (Netflix, Freeform, ABC, etc.). It's unfortunate MCU stopped keeping him in the loop...maybe then Runaways would have followed MCU time travel rules better. That's the main thing that keeps them from being canon to the MCU.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think Jeph Loeb deserves a lot more credit than he gets. He had multiple shows running at the same time and tied them together really well. And I think you’re right, if he’d have been kept more in the loop, he would’ve done something different with that runaways finale.

[@eatsomeoranges8936]

A runaways video in 2025? With Nico Minoru appearing in the new Spider-Man show, I hope we get some Runaways or Cloak and Dagger content. Morgan le Fay had the Darkhold but we never find out how she got it or how Agatha got it. Assuming Agatha did know that Morgan had it, you'd think she'd mention it or something. Also Morgan has a connection to the Dark Dimension, Dormammu doesn't need to worry Infinity stones and Cloak is connected to that dimension as well? Maybe we'll get some developments in a Doctor Strange film

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, seems like Runaways is getting alot more attention recently. Love that! Oh, and as for the Darkhold, Multiverse of Madness mentions there are multiple copies, so perhaps Morgan's copy is different than Agatha's? Not sure on that, tbh.

[@madnessarcade7447]

@@AbitofEverything4UI hope it is although I haven’t seen that attention

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Hopefully Nico being in YFNS will bring some much-needed attention to Runaways!

[@eduardofranco8528]

I believe that the future that Chase came from is post blip, but when he comes back to the past to save Gert, it was before the blip, that way will kinda make sense that ''a part'' of season 3 is after the blip.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That’s a great way to look at it. I agree… Some of the final episode was after the blip and some was before the blip!

[@dragonbreath649]

Brad winterbaum has made statements saying things like how he maybe plans to explore AOS after daredevil and how he likes figuring out where it is on the timeline so I think they will eventually get to every show they’re just taking it slow

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love the fact that he's giving all the old shows a chance. Maybe they'll finally find their way back into canon again!

[@dragonbreath649]

@@AbitofEverything4U they were always in the canon as far as I’m concerned

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@jamescesena9057]

Another great rundown! Thanks so much!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Really appreciate the positive feedback!

[@LosoLeveling]

Wow I always thought that Misty line in C&D was a random Easter egg but I never noticed how she’s mentioned in Luke Cage! That’s a great connection right there. C&D is super underrated.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? Isn't that so cool!

[@DarthTingleBinks]

This does work. But much like with Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., I think it's fun to imagine that, in the randomness of the snap, some areas turned out perfectly fine, which is always how I imagined the 6 month time jump. BUT this does more closely align with the Cloak and Dagger timeline instead of having them finally show up almost a whole year after they had left for LA, and for a whole slew of other reasons as you mention. Also, the series finale shows that the Runaways survive into the Blip anyway. And LA seems perfectly fine then, too, which is partly why I never cared if it did go into the Blip. Because the whole city does, too. Edit: I am still of the mind that, which the various things said by 2028 Chase and Alex, as well as certain... Coincidences, that the time travel in the finale does NOT follow back to the future logic. But there is a lot of reading between the lines, and then my plan for a limited Disney+ Marvel Television series that... I need to become a known screenwriter in order to share with Marvel. Because in Hollywood you other news name recognition or connections. And I currently have neither. So I'm gonna spend some time working on some original stories and IPs, try ny hand in some screenwriting contests, and see where things go from there.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Your Disney+ Marvel Television series sounds awesome!

[@LuigiHann]

Super random, but on the topic of AoS, the snap, and Back to the Future logic.... the biggest missed opportunity of all time is this: In the season 5 finale of AoS, airing within a month of the release of Infinity, the character Deke Shaw, who came back from the now-averted post-apocalyptic future, wanders off to enjoy the present, fully believing he's about to be erased from history any moment now. The episode absolutely could have had an end-tag sequence where Deke begins to disintegrate into dust, which would have a completely different meaning for those who had or hadn't seen Infinity War yet. Still bums me out that they weren't on the same page enough to make that work.

[@DarthTingleBinks]

@LuigiHann That would have been interesting, but Deke's presence in the show, as well as really the entire storyline of season 5, is actually the FIRST instance we see of branch timelines existing. Deke can only exist, in the future or present, if the future where Talbot destroyed the Earth, HIS future, comes to fruition. The S.H.I.E.L.D. team can only prevent that future after having gone forward in time to experience it. And in that future, we see evidence that the S.H.I.E.L.D. team has already gone back in time and failed to prevent it, resulting in a Predestination Paradox/Causal Loop, with Deke being FitzSimmons grandson, and YoYo's older self existing in that future both being key examples. But we also see firsthand, through Robin's experiences, that the S.H.I.E.L.D. team tried and failed to stop Talbot. Speaking of Robin, her experiences eventually led them to succeed, as the elderly Robin knew that the S.H.I.E.L.D. team would succeed despite existing and dying in a timeline where they did not. That's because her consciousness perceives all moments in time simultaneously, a la Doctor Manhattan from Watchmen. But even further, Deke's continued existence in the present, after Talbot had been stopped by Daisy, Fitz' death at the end of season 5, and the retrieval of present day Fitz in season 6, are even further proof. Deke comes from a timeline where the S.H.I.E.L.D. team failed to stop Talbot and Fitz never died, leading to the birth of Deke's mother, and eventually him. Fitz has already experienced the future he has failed to prevent having put himself in cryo to reach the future and save his team. The Fitz who died in the present day has experienced the future after having put him in cryo to reach said future to save his team. He, along with his team, succeeded in preventing the future, though he died in the process. Present day Fitz, who is retrieved in season 6, never makes it to the future BECAUSE of his retrieval, and also because the Chronicoms detected a change in the timeline and wanted to change their own fate. If there was a detectable change in the timeline, however, then they were not using Back to the Future logic in season 5. Plus, Deke, the death of the Fitz who has experienced the future, and the retrieval of the present day Fitz who is traveling to the future, leads to the same conclusion. BUT it leads to questions as to the nature of that future's existence. We KNOW the Sacred Timeline doesn't see the Earth destroyed by Talbot, as that would prevent the Earth from being attacked by Thanos (and very likely prevent the Avengers from stopping him). So we know that THAT future exists on a branch. But it's also clear that it, that is their experiences in it, is the reason why the S.H.I.E.L.D. team successfully "stops" that future. So is it possible that a branch must exist in order for the Sacred Timeline to exist? Yes. Avengers: Endgame and Loki's references to it, specifically the Time Heist, confirm as much. And so that is why Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is the first instance of a branch timeline in the MCU.

[@LuigiHann]

@@DarthTingleBinks All good points. My thought was mostly that it'd be a fun fake-out; the audience might think he'd been erased but he'd actually be Snapped. I agree that it's clear the time travel mechanics in this case wouldn't actually erase him, and presumably he'd still be back in (in this "TV writers are in the loop about Engame" scenario) a post-blip season when he'd come back with everybody else.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@LuigiHann I agree… That would’ve been hilarious!

[@jabbersjay6871]

YAY WE’RE TALKING ABT RUNAWAYS AND C&D!!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love those shows!

[@chinmay_r_sharma]

ABC shows did feature characters first introduced in MCU. Cloak and Dagger from what you said connect to Netflix shows. Hulu is a subsidiary of Disney. So, except for Legion, Gifted and Helstrom others place in MCU getting confirmed is just a formality at this point (But I do get the hesitation of not including it)

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Awesome feedback. Yeah, I really hope those shows get added to the timeline soon. I really enjoyed them and they deserve to be included with the Netflix shows!

[@TimpossibleOne]

10:49 as far as the unreliable calendar goes, it shows 2 months with 31 days back-to-back. It's either July and August or December and January. So it's probably January.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that's a good point. Although, with all the 29's, I do have to think someone just wasn't trying very hard to make the calendar represent anything at all. What a mess!

[@Zenlore6499]

I remember I was about to watch Runaways before it disappeared from Disney+, I was so bummed! Hopefully I can find a way to watch it elsewhere

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good news...you can find the show here: www.cwtv.com/shows/runaways/. There are commercials, but otherwise it's totally free.

[@Zenlore6499]

@ Whoa, thank you so much dude! I wasn’t expecting this for a birthday present! 🤭👍

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh wow, I’m glad that ended up being a birthday present. And happy belated birthday!

[@Zenlore6499]

@ Thanks man! 🥹

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@Ne0Nights]

Thought this was going to be about Nico showing up in YFNS before clicking. Glad it wasn’t 😅

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I love that Nico is in YFNS. It may help Runaways get added back to the sacred timeline!

[@Ne0Nights]

@ she’s my fav comic character! I’m just glad it doesn’t mess with any MCU continuity because that would be a mess. Let’s hope we see her again soon!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@hunterterrell5735]

It's gonna take some getting used to, but this placement works a lot better.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I think this works so much better!

[@WhiteRaven696]

Something everyone seems to ignore is the massive homeless encampment on the grounds of the Gibborim church in Season 3B. That was never shown to be there prior. Combined with both Leslie alluding to people needing community in light of “recent events”, plus Morgan centering her entire Corvus marketing around people “finding their flock”, it made perfect sense to me that this was post-Snap. Many recently homeless, orphaned, widowed people struggling to make connections. I mean, I definitely feel that the revised timeline makes much more sense, but people dismiss the August 2018 placement a little too quickly for my liking.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point! Yeah, I was really happy that No Way Home mentioned the efforts to help the homeless who were displaced by the blip, similar to how it came up during most of Falcon and the Winter Soldier. Those type of storylines make the MCU feel more realistic and thoughtful about real world problems.

[@ThanosDestroyeryearsago]

Spoiler: In one of the new episodes of ‘Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man’ the version of Nico Minoru has her parents as her background on her phone. Interestingly, they also look more like the ones from the tv show(Tina wearing the same necklace she wears at one point in the show. Robert has glasses like the tv show, he doesn’t wear them in the comics) rather than the ones from the comics. This is a clear reference to the runaways show. Ik it’s a different timeline, but it’s nice they referenced her parents and specifically had them look like the show versions.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I love that so much...yeah, the Runaways show has been getting alot of sly references recently and I'm all for it!

[@WhiteRaven696]

The move is going to take some getting used to, but it does make significantly more sense.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I do like the new timeline. It threw me off at first, but it really does make so much more sense!

[@jorgecarbajal8076]

2:23 To answer that question, the MCU Wiki was my primary source for figuring out the timeline before I discovered your channel. 9:07 Friendly reminder: Amy was *Nico's* sister.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the wiki is amazing! And dang it, can't believe I said the wrong thing about Amy. Sorry about that.

[@451asians]

I knew bro was legit when he pulled out the Star Wars Battlefront Beta

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol! Yeah, you know you're digging deep when you have to go into that level of detail!

[@theorycraftingmachine2876]

I think Agent Carter, Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Inhumans, Cloak & Dagger and Runaways are cannon to the Marvel Cinematic Universe or should I say Sacred Timeline Earth-616, What If...? Season 3 and Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man confirm this. Keep up the good work!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I don't quite get why Marvel doesn't add them back into the sacred timeline, tbh.

[@ozby11]

How are Agent Carter, Agents of SHIELD and Inhumans canon?

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

@@ozby11 Watch the show

[@jemstar63]

As someone that hasn’t seen them, how do What If and the new Spider-Man show confirm this?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@jemstar63 there are some big Easter eggs for Agent Carter in what if season 3. You can check out my breakdown of the season as I go into detail on them. Especially the Agatha episode of season 3 has a ton of Easter eggs for Agent Carter season 2.

[@Awesomekamenrider]

Also the Nico having her One Staff popping up the the Dr. Strange 2016 film was cool.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great point!

[@ethandoyle4978]

Thanks for posting this , it’ll help out a lot if any one wants to do a rewatch for the next avengers film .

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...I love to see how everything fits in. Makes it feel even more connected!

[@PokeMario-pk4ot]

I really hope all the pre disney+ shows get more confirmation of canonicity, either through being added to the disney+ timeline, references in other movies and shows, or even just Kevin Feige or some other marvel higher up reconfirming it

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...hoping we see more of them get the Netflix show treatment!

[@reversecardthompson1197]

That IMDb timeline page you showed has a few things wrong with it, it places daredevil season 1 in 2014 (even though it’s in January to February of 2015) and the defenders in November 2016 (even through its in may) among other things, plus that also isn’t an official timeline from IMDb themselves like you said it was just made by a dedicated fan I think, and it’s been around since 2018 too!.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that IMDB page definitely needs some work. But I do suspect they used the wiki for alot of their placements. Will be interesting to see if they update the page with the new timeline!

[@Celebok]

I think it's really cool that the timeline wiki people were able to make these revisions and have it all work out. I kinda binge-watched Runaways a couple years ago, and I had already seen the MCU wiki timeline that showed parts taking place during the blip, so when I watched those episodes, I found it just hard to accept that it was during the blip, much like Agents of SHIELD Season 6. Especially since they were basically reentering the world from the Dark Dimension six months after they first left, and if they emerged during the blip, that would be the biggest thing they'd notice right away. So it makes a lot more sense that it's all happening before Infinity War. And as for the time travel rules in the series finale... hmmm, it's been a long time since I've seen it, so I might be missing some contradictory details, but... maybe they were just wrong about what they believed about time travel? And what they actually did was create a new branch at the end, but had no idea they were living in a new branch? Eh... if I'm forgetting some other details that make this impossible to resolve, then never mind. We can just forget that that final episode happened.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

What a great point about the fact that with them being in the Dark Dimension six months after they first left, then if they emerged during the blip, that would be the biggest thing they'd notice right away. That is so true! And yeah, I like your idea that perhaps they just didn't understand how time travel works and they might have simply been wrong about it erasing their old selves.

[@Celebok]

@@AbitofEverything4U Cool! And if you think about it, those kids had the same understanding of time travel as Scott Lang, Rhodey, and Clint, from popular movies, a misunderstanding that Bruce Banner had to correct.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very true!

[@RiseofOwnage]

I'm fine with the runaways being moved back, I'm just not sure that's how the 'last online' message would work😅. Most games start from scratch when it launches so beta play time isn't included

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Shhhhh...we're gonna assume that in the MCU, the beta games carry over the player info. I mean, that's the respectful thing for the game to do, ya know! : )

[@deadchris1716]

Haven’t watched any of these shows, will probably have to pick up soon to be a marvel master lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I'd recommend checking them out. They were pretty good!

[@Nether-b6c]

Wanna know what I wonder what could be canon? The 1990 Captain America movie that featured Ronny Cox as the President! Have you ever seen that? You might enjoy it-similar look and feel to the 1994 Fantastic Four!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I need to do a review of that movie. Would be alot of fun!

[@Nether-b6c]

@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah! I think it's an interesting thing to look at because it came out right after Batman 89 where we were still figuring out how to do comic book movies. It's strange to see Ronny Cox in a role where he isn't a hateful maniac, too. OH and it also has the kid who was the monster from the Twilight Zone episode "It's a Good Life"-Bill Mumy (a small role). It sounds like a fever dream but it actually happened!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Wow… That is a fascinating cast… I didn’t realize all of that. Yeah, I definitely need to check it out!

[@Nether-b6c]

@ Yeah! It’s coincidentally a good time because of Captain America Brave New World coming out so you can also say you’ve reviewed every Cap movie up to then too!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Very true!

[@Jaybird1306]

Huh, i had worked all this out myself in my own personal timeline i keep a while back, I didnt realised there were other people doing it too XD also a few minor things, Amy is Nico's sister, there is also a Roxxon gas station in Helstrom to tie to other MCU shows, you missed out Fitz time travel machine from the last season of SHIELD in your page of all the time travel as it was distinct from the monoliths, and if it helps at all to tie in timeline wise Bridget O'Reilly also talks about Ben Ulrich from Daredevil and uses his card technique in Cloak and Dagger.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I really like this timeline shift. Works so well. And yeah, can't believe messed up Nico's sister. Ooof! Good call on Roxxon. And yeah, Fitz did indeed create yet another time travel method. Throw in Loki's time slipping for that matter. No more time travel, Marvel, please! Good ol' Ben Ulrich. Miss that dude!

[@Jaybird1306]

@@AbitofEverything4U Oh yeah Loki did do that too didnt he! I miss Ben Ulrich too

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yep… Ben was such a great character. That’s what made his death so tragic in that first season of daredevil!

[@TranzFloofyBean]

This is really interesting I haven’t seen this show in a while X3

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, same for me. Haven't seen it in quite awhile. Good show!

[@TranzFloofyBean]

Ye it really is I hope they add the other before Disney+ marvel shows and try to tie them to the MCU if possible ^w^

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@Ralph_ralphster]

So it’s official? Cloak and dagger and the runaways are 100% mcu canon just as much as iron man or daredevil? So like before a reboot marvel can’t make their own versions of cloak and danger because it would contradict pure mcu canon? If that’s the case I had no idea, I always thought they were totally separate! Also didn’t know about the connection to defenders so that’s pretty cool

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question! So afaik, the show is still considered a branch off the main MCU, but it is pretty wild that it had references to the Defenders series. Hope it moves back into canon at some point!

[@Mandalor988]

I actually had no idea how well referenced Cloak & Dagger was to The Defenders and Luke Cage so this is really cool to see. I ended up having to get bootlegs of Runaways because Disney used it as a tax write-off a while back

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the two series are really connected. It’s very cool. Also, it looks like CW is airing the runaways show. It does have commercials, but at least it is free, which is nice: www.cwtv.com/shows/runaways/.

[@theswan1852]

5:00 Hi! Is this now deleted video an interview with the actor or the character? Like you (probably) I collect these vids, like the newsclips and in-universe special features. I am delighted that the hulu serieses are in the 5 year snappening, where I placed them in my collection, although I haven't finished your vid yet.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question! It was an interview with the actor and she gave details on her character arc. Bummer that's its private now, but at least the wiki was able to grab the info from it for the timeline.

[@giovannigiovanni.7220]

Finally, a Runaways video. I liked the idea of running a place after the snap. It's a huge world not everyone had to feel sad and gloom. I'm gonna miss it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think the 2021 part of the time travel storyline works okay after the snap, but having the end of the season be in Aug, 2018 was weird, as everything looked very normal. And it essentially went against that Loeb said. So I really do like this new timeline better, myself. But regardless, it was fun getting back into the Runaways for this vid. Really good show!

[@teenflash19]

Runaways being a closeup to the mcu timeline. The show must be canon when they want her live action portrayal be connected to fans of it when they push her forth in the midnight sons

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Would love to see Nico in the Midnight Sons!

[@chadhenderson9603]

I love the runaways. I hope they get a revival

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That would be great!

[@Ralph_ralphster]

5:23 just watched this episode for the first time yesterday lol! I just got into daredevil and finished seasons 1-2 plus defenders. On season 3 episode 3 now!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Niiiiice! You're almost done with the Daredevil series...just in time for Born Again!

[@Ralph_ralphster]

@@AbitofEverything4Uikr

[@AbitofEverything4U]

🔥

[@camrenstuder6734]

The timeline keeper and the prop master need to be in better communication.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

lol…they do indeed!

[@teenflashgaming-yc6ul]

Jeph Loeb did a good rebound for the show I assume on the multiple scenarios of time being messed from the characters.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree… I think Jeph Loeb did a very good job with all the different pre-Disney+ shows. He had a lot going on at once and balanced it really well!

[@Pablothewholenameissilent]

Good work on the reworkings of the timeline. If marvel heroes have ventured the dark dimension will we see more actionable teamwork like the idea that the Avengers will be working all the time so Dormammu invades

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! Yeah, it would be cool to see the Runaways (especially NIco) help out if Dormamu were to invade!

[@ChrisB-x1i]

I need more of these types of videos.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks! Yeah, I love doing these timeline breakdowns. You can check out the MCU timeline playlist as it has breakdowns for the main MCU, for the Netflix shows, for the ABC shows (Agents of SHIELD, Agent Carter, etc), for the News Casts, and more. Timelines are really fun to track and break down!

[@marvel_junkogeek19.16]

I prefer her nature on the new Friendly Neighborhood show. Marvel to put her in the ranks of the new champions would be really well testament of the hulu show

[@AbitofEverything4U]

That's a great idea. Nico being a member of the Champions would be very cool!

[@mds_main]

I like this new placement, it is best that those series happen before the snap (with the exception of AoS, Helstrom and a bit of Punisher). Anyway Helstrom will always be canon to me, the removed references were just because it happened to come out at an unfortunate time for Marvel TV after all. I hope they tie it up with the Midnight Sons.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree, I like the new timeline placement. And I'd be down for Helstrom being canon. It seems to fit just fine in 2020.

[@dylanchristopher119]

Honestly, I don't think it matters. The only shows that are mcu canon and netflix shows. As much as I'd love for Cloak and Dagger to be canon and a miracle if they bring it back, it isn't. Its been clear they show what is canon and what timeline is based on heir placement in he MCU timeline on disney plus, anything not there just isn't canon. There was a lot of tension and strife between Jeph Loebe and Kevin Fiege on what was canon and not. and Jeph lost the war, and Fiege took full creative control and Jeph was left. So unless its something Fiege says post his take over in concern to the shows, it really just doesn't matter. So him saying in 2014 they might be the same continuity doesn't really mean anything anymore. And he made his statement by only making Netflix shows canon

[@Cris00900340]

I think that makes sense, but the fact that Netflix was added only recently makes it seem like a decision can always be made in the future

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@dylanchristopher119 Great feedback! Yeah, I am worried Runaways and Cloak & Dagger won't be added back to the sacred timeline, but never say never, since the Netflix shows were added back in. Also, even if Runaways and Cloak & Dagger remain as branches off the sacred timeline, it's still very helpful to know how they fit in. Anyway, thanks for the feedback on the vid. Really appreciate it!

[@dragonbreath649]

I saw something where someone speculated cloak and dagger took place in 2015

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Interesting...that doesn't seem to fit with her friendship with Misty and also the Rand reference. Seems it has to be after March of 2016 for sure but also after Misty is injured in Defenders.

[@dragonbreath649]

@ makes sense

[@AbitofEverything4U]

yeah, I really like it placed in 2017 myself.

[@neet0burrit035]

Sorry if this is a question you get asked a lot but is there a way we can look at the timeline spreadsheet? I couldnt find a link on the discord. Or is it a member perk? Love the content btw keep it up!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Drat… I meant to put the link in the pinned comment on the channel. Sorry about that. Here’s the link to the spreadsheet: Check out the Google Drive timeline documents: drive.google.com/drive/u/0/folders/1R_PrexMkTjYpQAraxlhzs2U5EPJEPioc.

[@neet0burrit035]

@AbitofEverything4U awesome! Thank you!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@FabiooBessa]

Awesome video as always! Could you do a review of the TVA comics? It seems that it is a crossover with the MCU and the comics universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the positive feedback on the vid...really appreciate that! And yeah, I need to look into the TVA comics. I was thinking of waiting until they all come out, but I definitely need to do a vid on them!

[@CenturionOfficial]

I pray that Cloak and Dagger and Runaways at least make it into Secret Wars or at least the new post Secret Wars universe

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...we really need to see them again. Great characters! Also, thanks so much for being a member of the channel. Truly appreciate the support!

[@ConservativeCornerAlex]

​@AbitofEverything4U this might happen, because Nico appeared in Your Friendly Neighborhood Spider-Man; the MCU essentially confirmed that Runaways is canon, at least in that universe. I hope so, because every major character needs to be in Doomsday and Secret Wars, but way more roles for Secret Wars.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@ConservativeCornerAlex 100% agree!

[@MatthewKKwan122]

Hoping Mcu bought runway and Cloak and dagger, also agent of shied into Mcu

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...that would be awesome!

[@arnixen7567]

I just wish we could do this with Agents of Shield...

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, would be great if we could move it before the blip as well.

[@jj_ezus]

thank you so much. you earned a sub and a like from me!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks so much for your support. Truly appreciate it!

[@Gdblgaahz]

ohhh man, really hoping that we see Daimon and Ana Helstrom officially in the mcu!!!!!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? With all the discussion around a Midnight Sons show/movie, the time is perfect for Helstrom to arrive!

[@LuigiHann]

It really feels like Daimon Helstrom popping up randomly in the current MCU era would work in just the same perfectly off-kilter way as Matt Ryan's Constantine popping back up in the DC Arrowverse. One of these days somebody's gonna need a demon expert and they'd better know who to call

[@Gdblgaahz]

@ AWESOMEEE, you know that what i’m talking about, when it’s time for some demons, HELSTROM better be there !!!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

💯

[@Ralph_ralphster]

Ngl I wish daredevil and co. would’ve been more intertwined with the rest of the mcu during the infinity saga. If these were also canon it just feels so wasted to not have it connect to a perfect story that was the infinity saga. The multiverse saga just feels like it ain’t worth it since I can’t see these fun side characters team up with the main characters of the saga, since there are non lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, would have been fun to see more crossovers with the main MCU. That was the bummer about the earlier shows...they were made by a different division of the company and so there wasn't much synergy between them.

[@Rosefivethousandluffy]

I mean if marvel will produce the mechanism of time to re court the shows into the universe before secret wars.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, would love to have Runaways back in the sacred timeline...or at least to see them again in Secret Wars!

[@crushoncosplayernerd1657]

Confusing plots which would mean how the events or if her placement on the new show was prenominated to fit her past of the "MCU" 🖤

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, the timeline was indeed pretty confusing, but I do like this new placement better.

[@animalsrcute5762]

I liked the Helstrom show. I wish it could have finished.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, it was a bummer that it got cancelled. Had alot of promise.

[@TheDarkSatirist]

Have you checked out the Geekritique Marvel Timeline? He does a good job of laying it all out

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Love Geekritique's work. He does a great job!

[@ConservativeCornerAlex]

It seems weird that they updated the timeline just at random. I wonder why it did.

[@ConservativeCornerAlex]

I definitely trust the Wiki with my life; my timelines are from the Wiki, unless it gets retconned. So, Runaways taking place after the Blip does make sense and it makes for some comedy.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good question! I think the wiki team was split over the timeline placement ever since it was first implemented and after a few years of debates, the timeline was finally moved back so that most of it occurred prior to the blip. I do like the new timeline and I agree with you, I trust the wiki as it is a fantastic resource!

[@sagepowers]

Unfortunately this show and most of the old Marvel Television shows aren’t canon anymore. But still fun to see where it fits within its own variant MCU timeline

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I agree, whether they are in the sacred timeline or not, it's nice to know how it all fits together!

[@vishalstark8264]

So, runaways season 3 , wraps up before endgame or infinity war? i didnt get that part, sorry! what happened after they do double time travelling from 2028 to 2017?

[@eagc7]

The new placement puts it before

[@vishalstark8264]

@@eagc7 IW?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great question. So Seasons 1 -2 and then Season 3, Episodes 1-9 all take place prior to the snap in May, 2018. Then, Season 3, Episode 10 starts in 2028, goes back to May, 2021 (which is during the blip, but after 3 years, it makes sense that things are more normal looking), then goes to Oct, 2017 and finally back to redo episode 9 in May, 2018. So the only small portion that is during the blip is the very few scenes in May, 2021.

[@yasinkrmz7051]

How do you find these great details? It's hard not to be impressed. I don't know what Marvel will do, but I wouldn't mind if it was included or not. Daredevil has arrived 🥰. To be honest, most people haven't even heard of the Hellstorm series. But definitely Agents of Shield and Agent Carter should be in the MCU timeline. I watched the Runaways series before the comics. After reading the comics, the series felt very incomplete, so I would be happy to see a new MCU Runaways team. But if this series is canon, there is no problem. The same goes for Cloak & Dagger. Thanks for this great video 😊😊

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Thanks for the positive feedback on the vid. Really appreciate it! And I agree, I'd be fine if Marvel rebooted the Runaways. I liked the first season, but by the final season the quality had dropped off. That said, I did really like the actress that played Nico, so it would be cool to see her back again. Will be interesting to see what Marvel decides to do with the show going forward.

[@yasinkrmz7051]

@ Nico was my favorite too. And seeing her character in Your Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman gave me chills. I have always believed that all of these shows are in the same universe. Even before Marvel Netflix shows became canon. We saw actor who plays Black Bolt in Doctor Strange 2. So we can see them someday. I mean so far everything has become real. Marvel loves to give us what we want.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I think Marvel really likes to deliver for the fans. Sometimes it takes longer than we may want because there’s so much going on… But I really think they keep us in mind and try their best to deliver!

[@vogglingcharlievsadamhotel]

However this becomes canon I assure the new MCU with her in that and not the Friendly Neighborhood Spiderman is just creative

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, would love to see Runaways become canon again!

[@markstrike-y1g]

I miss Runaways. Lol

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, really good show. At least we can still watch it for free here: www.cwtv.com/shows/runaways/, although there are commercials.

[@johnniemcneil4748]

Never seen any of these shows. I feel like there is too much to watch as there is. So until it’s official on the timeline I’m not going to bother. But looks like it fits perfectly in !

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I can totally understand not having time to watch the shows. I had a small window at one point a few years back, so I watched them when I had time and they are pretty decent. But if you never get around to it, it isn't a huge loss.

[@Swenglish]

I don't think Helstrom was ever meant to be in the shared continuity. I think that was designed to be a parallel universe, along with the Ghost Rider show that was supposed to happen. As for the Disney+ timeline...I don't think Marvel manages their Disney+ page. I think that's handled by Disney+, and I don't know where they get their information from.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree...Helstom seems to be a different universe. As for the Disney+ timeline, Brad Winderbaum said that it reflects the canon for the MCU, which is why they added the Netflix shows to the timeline. Hopefully the other shows will get added in time. Fingers crossed!

[@Swenglish]

@@AbitofEverything4U The timeline on D+ would get messy if one were to add Agents of SHIELD in proper viewing order, with "season 1 part 1". "season 1 part 2", "season1 part 3" and so on. They'd have to make whole new sub-playlists. Fitting it into canon is easy enough, but slotting it in with Thor 2, Cap 2 and Age of Ultron in the right positions would be complicated. Can't just drag and drop the existing playlists, as either the movies would spoil the show or the show would spoil the movies. Especially Cap 2.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, my guess is that if they add in agents of SHIELD in the timeline, they’ll do it the same way they’ve done the Netflix shows. In other words, they’ll just show where the first season begins in the timeline. Then, people can go to their website that shows the full season by season breakdown for more details. I suspect on that website they will show the points where you stop watching the show and switch over and watch the movie.

[@Swenglish]

@@AbitofEverything4U It would at least have to be set up so that the "next" thing that pops up at the end of certain episodes automatically, when the viewer has gotten there via the chronological playlist, isn't the next episode but the appropriate movie. Because the system is set up for binge watching. One video ends, the next one comes up. I'm not sure how much special coding would be needed in order to do that.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that would be cool if they did that. Although, technically speaking, the issue already exists to a smaller extent with I Am Groot season 1, since the first episode is before GotG Vol 2 and the rest are after it.

[@LuigiHann]

You describe Nico's sister as Alex's sister a couple of times there.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Oh my, I do? That was definitely an accident. Sorry about that!

[@LuigiHann]

@@AbitofEverything4U It's definitely overshadowed by the Star Wars Battlefront of it all

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah… I love that Star Wars battlefront ends up being the key to the entire timeline!

[@Herokalla]

Damn the copy of your timeline that I am in the middle of watching with my gf is now outdated, I am going to have to redownload it and fix it all up again

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Ugh...sorry about that. Good news is it's a small change, but yeah, it definitely shifted a few things around.

[@Herokalla]

@@AbitofEverything4U Hey, I am all for it, I am really happy to see Kevin in that interview talking about Runaways, The Defenders, and Civil war all in the same sitting.

[@Herokalla]

@ 7:50 You say blip but I think you mean snap (correct me if I am wrong), I think you did it a couple videos back too but I didn't say anything

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, I mess up blip versus snap a lot. I don’t know why I get those confused in my head.

[@BlackHedgehog]

Maybe at some point I will try watching this show again, I tend to hear a lot of negativity about it and wasn't super impressed by the first episode of season one last year. Wait ... there is connective tissue with the Netflix shows? Huh. I know I think you've mentioned it in the past but actually seeing the images blows my mind. I am a bit confused on the three years part if the furthest point was 2028 though lol. Still great video as usual.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, that time travel stuff in the last episode was crazy. So episode 10 starts in 2028 and Chase then goes back to a point in time that is exactly 3 years after the end of episode 9 (i.e. May, 2021), then to the start of the series (i.e. Oct, 2017) and then back to the end of the series (i.e. May, 2018). Insanity!

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

The show isn't mind-blowing, But it's a good teen drama The real hook of the show isn't the superpowers, It's the relationships between the teens and the parents

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Well said!

[@lawznwdsc]

Do you think if we see the runaways in future projects post secret wars they will be played by the same actors or get recasted? Also i have a feeling that even after the multiverse saga we'll still be seeing some time travel.

[@LuigiHann]

I'm strongly hoping that we get Okano as Nico back for whatever Midnight-Suns-type project they end up doing. Other than that I don't think the show's characters are especially likely to show up anywhere anyway

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@lawznwdsc I agree with @LuigiHann that we might see Nico return, but that's probably it. Bummer, as the show was really good!

[@lawznwdsc]

@@AbitofEverything4U Yeah, having Nico return for Midnight-Sons would be so cool. I've heard good things about it but never watched it.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@CraigXJ87]

I'm currently (re)watching the entire MCU in timeline order getting ready for Daredevil: Born Again and the new movies. I'm currently on JJ S2. I've never actually seen C&D or Runaways, if they're on D+ in the UK, I'll have to include them. Do they end on unresolved cliffhangers? If they do I may have to miss them again 😅

[@Cris00900340]

C&D has a conclusion. Runaways is mostly conclusive, although they do set up a plot thread in the last episode that never gets a follow up. It's basically a tease for comic fans who know who the character is

[@AbitofEverything4U]

@CraigXJ87 Definitely check out Runaways and C&D if you are able. I enjoyed both shows. Runaways can be found here, if it isn't on your D+: www.cwtv.com/shows/runaways/. It has commercials, but at least it's free, which is nice.

[@CraigXJ87]

Thx! ​@@AbitofEverything4U

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@pizzatime1146]

While I have never personally seen these shows or fully know what is in them. I personally would be against them being full main 616 MCU canon. I believe if these shows were to become canon, it creates too many plot holes on why these characters never showed up again or have not been found by other characters. But I don't want my belief to diminish your hope for it to become canon. I can see being like a branch timeline thing where not Sacred timeline canon but still could be watched like the Fox or Spider Man films.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great feedback! Yeah, those are definitely very valid concerns. If nothing else, the shows could be considered branches off the sacred timeline and so I figured it's still nice to see how they fit into the timeline in the branch. Thanks so much for watching the vid and sharing your thoughts. Really appreciate it!

[@simcity4111]

14:05 six what?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Meant to say 6 months. Did I mess that up? If so, my apologize on that.

[@simcity4111]

@@AbitofEverything4U six… SIX MONTHS?

[@AbitofEverything4U]

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[@xenodusk5750]

16:20 actually the farthest we’ve been in the timeline wouldve been earth 10005 in deadpool 3 since that universe is in 2029

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Good point! I should have said 616 universe, but you are right about Logan's setting. Heck, ig Deadpool 2 took us into 2054 in the 10005 universe, for that matter.

[@jesusramirezromo2037]

If the Runaways show up in movies, i hope they keep the cast, They all really felt like perfect casting, Nico in particular felt like her actress was the character Runaways doesn't need a full reboot

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I agree, the runaways cast was phenomenal...and Nico was a standout!

[@LuigiHann]

That's one thing I've been noticing as I fill in the gaps with all these oddball Marvel projects - aside from the occasional composite-character villain that intentionally doesn't resemble their comic namesake, Marvel's casting is consistently really, really strong. I end up feeling attached to everybody to the point that I wouldn't want to see anybody recast, at least not within a given timeline.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

I totally agree… Marvel has fantastic casting!

[@SylvesterAshcroft88]

It's a shame Agents Of Shield isn't canon to the mcu.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

ikr? Maybe Marvel will change their mind like they did with the Netflix shows!

[@yamyam263]

Video starts at 0:57

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, sorry, going over the prize winners eats some of the time up front. So, I like put the chapters in there, so people can move past that first section if desired.

[@dragonbreath649]

Runaways and cloak and dagger reference the Netflix shows they’re canon Also helstrom is underrated

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Yeah, would be great for Marvel to bring those shows back into the fold. And I agree, Helstrom is underrated. Wish it had gotten more than one season.

[@dragonbreath649]

@ as far as I’m concerned they’re already in the fold

[@dragonbreath649]

@ I enjoyed it’s unique take on horror

[@dragonbreath649]

@ same maybe one day they’ll revisit it who knows

[@AbitofEverything4U]

With Midnight Suns supposedly on the horizon, that’s a great time to bring in Helstrom!

[@PsychedelicDude]

Does The Runaways even fit into the continuity? Is season 3 good btw? I watched season 1 and liked it a lot, but fell off at season 2.

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Great questions! So Runaways does fit into continuity without any real issues. It has a different version of the Darkhold, but that's okay since we learned in MoM that there are multiple copies. The only weird aspect is the time travel in the final episode. But otherwise, it fits in nicely. As for whether season 3 is good, there's no doubt that season 1 is the best. Season 2 is a slight drop off and season 3 is probably a slightly further drop off, but I did like Morgan Le Fay's appearance, as well as the Cloak & Dagger crossover.

[@PsychedelicDude]

@AbitofEverything4U I see. Im afraid i won't see it then. I don't think season 2 was bad, but i just lost interest so don't think it is worth it. Time is valuable you know. Anyways thanks for the explanation!

[@AbitofEverything4U]

Sure thing!