Ableton 12 vs Logic Pro X (2024 Edition!)

[@jonasharp3]

Logic has some midi options you might have missed that allow for controlled randomness on a variety of parameters. With the notes of your choice highlighted in the piano roll, press CMD+9 to access the midi transform window. Live 11 definitely still takes the cake in that category, but you’d be surprised how robust that feature actually is in Logic. It’s worth checking out if you haven’t used it before.

[@NoizeLondon]

Hey bud - thanks so much for the suggestion. I've played around with the midi transform window (I show this in some of the other videos on the boombox channel, but it definitely doesn't feel as intuitive or present as it is in Ableton. Last thing I think we we want to do when being creative is go fishing around!

[@roman2374]

One thing that’s great in Logic is that everything can be pulled to be its own window (like the Mixer or the Piano Roll) which is really great if using multiple screens. In Ableton all “windows” are always glued together

[@paulvass7516]

The biggest advantage Logic has was never mentioned, which is price. Logic is 200$ that’s one time charge and u get it all including updates, now just to get a similar version of Ablelton. Ur paying 500$ to also get the sound library that’s now 700$. Oh and don’t forget every year around Christmas ur gifted with the 200$ updates. So really is it worth a few quality of life fixes to spend 500$ more up front, and 200$ more each yer.

[@NoizeLondon]

HUGE factor - I mention this in one of my other videos :)

[@drvoodoo3073]

Yup, it’s really quite ridiculous when you think about. Cost of one stupid update = cost of a one time purchase of Logic

[@Azfurita]

Hoy wanna know the answer really fast ? Try tune up the vocals first 😂

[@lelkesviktor3062]

im thinking about this, but im also before buying a pc, And a good macbook cost 1500 dollar at least, but i can get very good windows for 900

[@paulvass7516]

@@lelkesviktor3062 so add 700 to the price of the pc cause that’s what Abelton cost plus I promise u that the M2 MacBook Pro with 16 gigs that u can get for that price will blow the pc away

[@drvoodoo3073]

By default this is an unfair comparison. You’re comparing $700 software to a $200 one, which comes with FREE single version updates. Bought Logic X back in 2013 and I’m still getting updates to this day. Even the ‘mid tier’ version of Ableton with its incomplete set of tools is STILL more expensive than Logic. The yearly Ableton updates costs the same cost of Logic itself. So ridiculous.

[@kingofdjembe]

Logic is incredibly cheap. The reason for that is you have to buy Apple hardware to use it. Back in the days, Logic 8 and 9 were $500, which was still way cheaper that its competitors. However, apple computers are not cheap…

[@drvoodoo3073]

@@kingofdjembe That's true, however, most people I see including this very channel uses a Mac. So on top of buying an expensive computer they're also using a ridiculously expensive and overpriced DAW.

[@watchboombox]

That’s a very valid point. Ableton is more expensive but you can run it on a much cheaper computer. Whereas Logic needs to be on a much more expensive Mac. As far as processing and life span go though, Mac seem to outlast PC and can be a great long term investment

[@wasabi333]

Mac seems to outlast PCs in which case? Having used macs and pcs for 20+ years I dont agree at all

[@optimusprime699]

@@watchboombox I have MSI and your mac is not outlasting mine, and there are many other brands which apple have no chance of outlasting, don't be silly.

[@SaturnVoyager11]

If you have taken enough time using ableton you know you can hide those return tracks in the arrange view by clicking "View" then "Arrangement Track Controls" and diselecting the Return Tracks. Do this in the arrangement View

[@watchboombox]

Yup knew that - still doesn't add that much space though don't ya think?

[@wasabi333]

Ableton sucks. But it sucks less than other Daws.

[@64Sq]

@@wasabi333 shut it

[@Screaming-Trees]

Actually an important consideration maybe tilting in Ableton's favour is the amount of music production tutorial content there is out there for it. For electronica styles I mean. Most of them include project files and templates and sample content etc to get you started. That can be a decisive factor. You can adapt that content but it's so much easier to just follow along.

[@NoizeLondon]

Thanks for sharing pal - that's a definitely a bonus, but I also think we shouldn't be limited by a tutorial just because it's on one DAW. The same principles can be applied to all DAW's in reality don't you think?

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@NoizeLondon Sure. I do think all of this can be adapted of course. I guess my point was more along the lines of it is easier to just follow along. Especially if you're just starting out. Rather than having to look at tutorials and have to translate to your own environment. But yeah, it can adapted to any daw.

[@teemad]

I agree with you but Logic has MusicTechHelpGuy. He has the single BEST YT channel on music production in Logic by far. Even if you don't use Logic there are a lot of cool things that you can learn from his videos and use in other DAWs or even plugins. A lot of people who do content videos or how-to guides may be experts at what they do (although a lot of them clearly aren't), but with MusicTechHelpGuy not only do you have someone who actually knows how to teach and is a college-level educator, but also provides entire courses and FOR FREE, right here on YT. I spent years in both Ableton and Logic, and I have now been in just Logic for over 5 years. I have kept updating Ableton until v11 but now that Rewire is gone I will not be updating or going back to Ableton. And most of that is due to MusicTechHelpGuy.

[@Screaming-Trees]

@@teemad Fair enough. I wasn't actually talking about how-to/tutorials about the DAW itself and how to do things in it. I meant strictly production. Something like this for example: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y2KVd4uro9-Kl7c That guy doesn't teach you how to do Ableton related stuff. The focus is on how to make "that". Whatever that happens to be. So yeah you can apply that to Logic sure but there will be a little extra work required to translate that. I think that was the crux of my point. Do you want to add that bit of extra work to your day? Or would you rather just follow along in the beginning?

[@efmelis]

I've worked in Logic Pro for around 9 years and just switched to Ableton 12. I've been using it for a few days and I feel like the sound design tools are very intuitive and easy to use. However, I haven't found a way to properly engineer my vocals and that's a big con. I still have my logic purchased looong time ago, and still, the vocal features are very easy to use (the pitch correction is genius), so I'm considering working with both for different stages. Haven't tried to master with Ableton yet so I'm not sure about that. I guess we'll see...

[@watchboombox]

I hear you on this one - Ableton is great for production. That's not to say that you can't also engineer vocals however, I do think that Logic is far superior when it comes to recording and mixing.

[@watchboombox]

Have you tried using something like re-wire?

[@808_fuck]

@@watchboomboxseguro no me entiendes pero me pasa el mismo problema con las voces… siento que tiene muchos problemas algunas se entre cortan con 60% y para mezclar o masterizar me pasan algunos problemas pero para crear Beats está bien pero quiero ver que ofrecen otras

[@MaximusWhyman]

Option + Command + M = Open mixer in arrangement page.

[@NoizeLondon]

what a SCHLEP. make it ONE key ableton!

[@carbonnickel]

I have macro keys on my Logitech keyboard so setup 6 different shortcuts to these keys so it’s one press and done. I also have shortcuts such as new midi track assigned to buttons on my mouse. Such a time saver

[@eaman11]

@@NoizeLondon It's the same for all: m, s, b, 1, 2, 3 ,4 , 5... Just ALT is for swaps

[@MaciejGadzimski]

Ableton for production, Logic for Mixing and Mastering

[@producebyavionstylz]

Exactly

[@capokelley]

man.. everybody says logic for prod and pro tools for mix/mast. so should it be ableton for prod and protools for mixing, or is that unnecessary? so is logic the better middle gound? instead of just buying 2/3 of them

[@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69]

Hey that's a great idea for someone who has both these DAWs.

[@Bittamin]

@@capokelleyyou can choose to let everybody tell you how to do everything in life, or figure out the workflow that honestly works best for you. Some people have the luxury to do that sure and others are lucky to have anything. I’m thankful to have logic. I love making music and have fun with it, I wouldn’t want to learn a new daw at the moment

[@DoughWilliams]

@@AFRoSHEENT3ARCMICHAEL69Who the fuck can even afford two DAWs that cost a fortune lol.

[@mansurdorado]

i use both for a couple of years. in my opinion Logic has the best sound engine after Pro Tools, it sounds organic to my ear while Live sounds to digital. you need a lot of experience in sound selection and mixing to make your tracks sound better. also there some areas where Logic shines for example, in tracking or mixing or midi capabilities, customizing templates for better workflow like making screen-sets, customizing key-commands, also its multi-zooming functions. but for basic edm or hiphop productions and fast workflow or sound design or making pre-live-sets Ableton Live is the way to go

[@watchboombox]

I hate to say it but all DAWs sound the same... the tools within them make them better for certain areas of music (production VS engineering) but they all do the same thing at the end of the day

[@mansurdorado]

@@watchboombox believe they're not, i know a lot of djs start on ableton live because its easy and end up on logic or pro tools or S1 because of sound engine

[@ILove_808]

@@watchboombox They do not sound the same. Summing in Cubase vs Ableton is big difference

[@wasabi333]

Lol

[@chriscarson6050]

DAWs do not have ''their sound'' which was proven so many times...

[@Joyboy027o]

I’m a logic user and I want to start doing live looping should I switch to Abelton?

[@djerikfox]

logic have live loops too!!👍

[@watchboombox]

They do... but does anyone use them?

[@Joyboy027o]

@@djerikfox yea I tried but they won’t sync well as Abelton in my experience and it’s kinda upsetting 🥲

[@roman2374]

I tried switching between them for years and I love the concept of writing and producing most stuff in Ableton and then recording and Mixing and Mastering in Logic, but in reality I get frustrated each time I have to switch between different interfaces and recall different shortcuts etc…

[@extractaudio]

When comparing MIDI features you did not mention the Step Sequencer, Logic‘s editor for Pattern regions.There’s nothing like it in Live.

[@watchboombox]

You're right we didn't... definitely could've. Is it a feature you find yourself using a lot?

[@extractaudio]

@@watchboombox Yes, I sometimes even use Logic Remote on an iPad just to edit pattern regions. ;-)

[@olleyollet]

One of the craziest features about logic that doesn't get enough attention imo. The quick sampler: when you add a pitched percussion sample to quick sampler in the normal mode. Then you right click the waveform. Click retune. Now you have the pitch of your perc sample. for melodic percussion of any kind this is incredible. Even if you use ableton I highly recommend having a few mornings where you set 30-60 minutes aside with the coffee and slowly label your perc samples with their root pitch. for me personally it gets it right 19/20 times. As someone who owns saturn and spectra shout out to roar its incredible and takes the crown. The modulation is super easy in roar and its super easy to just turn one of the boxes with a number and just double click to reset it if you dont like your change. As someone whos had 12 beta since a few days after it was announced I'm personally sticking with logic pro which actually sucks bc i live in a city where everyone uses ableton. I will say with the changes to 12 there is only 1 thing keeping me from switching. It sounds so dumb. but when you force close a plugin with escape or closing it out you have to press the little wrench in ableton to open it back up. also the command in 12 for the mixer is option+command+m for the mixer if i understood your question.

[@NoizeLondon]

Dude thanks so much for this! Yeah that's very true I totally took that Logic feature for granted. Thanks for the shortcut too... I mean they couldn't have made it any longer could they haha

[@olleyollet]

​@@NoizeLondon ps i miss the podcast and i loved the episode with you on the my audio nerds podcast with HMD.

[@djerikfox]

..if you add loops folder to untagged loops logic will sync all the loops to the tempo while in preview...👍..I like ableton too but its the only daw on the planet now that does not have custom key commands..I cant live without that...regards

[@xscottwaldo]

It add the track to apply the same holdings it actually eliminated need for individual return tracks an example of these forms of chains can be found in FL studio

[@watchboombox]

Thanks brother!

[@alexa-kimstone3656]

if you import Samples with quick sampler just hit "follow tempo" or isn´t this what you meant?

[@watchboombox]

Good tip will try this out thank you!

[@robinraf]

The browser in logic is a mess. Whenever my project gets too big it only plays the transients of the selected audio file.. so annoying. The fact that Ableton syncs the file to BPM is insane. I’d love to make the switch to Ableton (it’s much more accessible for beatmakers & editing audio is amazing) but being able to make custom shortcuts in Logic is the only feature holding me back from moving over

[@OpenUp.]

there is something called LES for Ableton. It's a 3rd Party software made from Ableton users and lets you do something like that and its actually surprising that Ableton didn't implement most of these features themselves. Maybe this helps you😄✋

[@robinraf]

@@OpenUp. yes i know it. but no option for custom shortcuts unfortunately :/

[@Surgeeon]

Then why don’t you just use them both in rewire?

[@mansurdorado]

in Logic there is a function called untagged apple loops, just right click on a sample folder that you want to be in sync with your project bpm and click on untagged apple loops from the pop up menu and you're on the way to go

[@drvoodoo3073]

Add your Loops to Untagged Loops instead of auditioning in the All Files Browser. Your loops will sync up with the BPM.

[@jamiesales101]

Great video 🎉

[@NoizeLondon]

Thank you sir. what DAW do you use?

[@kjo1543]

Do you need a PC to do this? I only have a chromebook

[@OhNooJosephJoestar]

chromebook finna explode brah XD

[@HonanTheLibrarian]

I've used Studio One, Reaper, Ableton Live and Garageband (which is like a cut-down version of Logic) I can definitely see the advantages of using Ableton Live as a production tool and for arrangements. The session view in Live makes it really easy to record sections and move them around, and plus the sound design and sample library and range of instruments, and integration with controllers makes it really easy to work with for production. I also love the warp functionality in Live, and how it works with clips, makes it easy to move audio around, fix pitch and timing issues, and consolidate a final track. For mixing and (simple) mastering, I would rather bounce down my stems from Live and then use something like Reaper (I'm also looking at Logic for this step) - Especially if you're trying to co-ordinate a lot of different stems and master a lot of different versions or rough mixes, the interfaces and functionality in Reaper and Logic fit this workflow nicely.

[@shashanksharma17]

I have worked on almost every DAW and ableton live is the best for music production and audio engineering

[@NoizeLondon]

That's great that you are able to use it with such power! I personally still think Logic's recording and mixing capabilities go beyond Ableton from a workflow stand point but at the end of the day its what works for you :) what other DAW's did you like?

[@snavzyonthebeat]

@@NoizeLondonCan you please give an example when you say "recording and mixing capabilities"? I heard couple of people said it about logic but i could never imagine in my head what they meant. Its almost like same plugins work differently in these DAWS?(kidding ofc).

[@KH-mq4rg]

I like Logic, but it crashes and glitches a lot. How does Ableton compare?

[@kozihoppy]

All DAWs crash mostly because of third party plugins. That's inevitable.

[@watchboombox]

You know what doesn’t crash… ?

[@sliiide-dk]

Awesome video Fabio ✌️ I’ve tried Ableton many times, but as a designer I just can’t handle the Excel-look - I need the UI to be pleasing to the eye 🤩 I hope that Apple will upgrade their Logic-team, cos we need more features and *sigh a better browser! Please do some “How I work in Logic workflow” vids ❤

[@NoizeLondon]

Great suggestion for a video - I think I might do that next week!

[@carvinguptrails]

I couldn’t agree more, for some reason the way that logic looks makes me so much happier to use the program. Ableton hurts my eyes! Probably the reason I use Final Cut over premier as well yet I pay for both

[@eaman11]

You should check Ableton shortcuts, ALT, CRT + ALT m,s,b, 3,4,5 ...

[@watchboombox]

Ah we can't thank you enough!

[@Mixedbymrwood]

Logic LPX colorizer for full logic theme customiser.

[@watchboombox]

Do you find it useful?

[@deep2mixer]

Abe12's UI is trying to be what Logic is already. For example, Abe 12's new "3D" setting already exists in Logic by default. Apple has your back when it comes to lighting and this is reflected in most Apple apps. Track stacks are more sophisticated and easier to use in Logic. Plus, you can do unlimited track stacks in Logic. I can talk about many Logic features that Abe 12 is missing which you left out of your presentation. You failed to mention that ABE 12 is crash-prone (beta software) and not as stable as Logic. There's more.

[@seigemonstracity]

Option + Command +M opens the mixer

[@watchboombox]

It took Frodo a shorter about of time to get to Mordor than it does to open the mixer in Ableton

[@ladioviro]

Give me a break. Starts the video comparing the colour schemes?

[@RealNuruMusic]

Video is meant for everyone…not just you.

[@watchboombox]

Why not? People are drawn to aesthetics.. if you're going to be staring at something for multiple hours a day you might want to consider how it looks ;)

[@RealNuruMusic]

@@watchboombox I found a third party app for Logic that allowed me to customize or select themes in Logic. Game changing.

[@jamaicaturner14]

@@RealNuruMusicwhat’s the app called

[@RealNuruMusic]

@@jamaicaturner14 LPColorizer. I use Logic for mixing only now, but FL is the way to go for production and beat making.

[@iliravdyli4109]

option command M for the Mixer

[@NoizeLondon]

Pretty sure that's the same shortcut for a nuclear launch

[@NoizeLondon]

In all seriousness thank you! Couldn't find it anywhere online.. why can't it just be one button...

[@cthulholmhastur5317]

Enjoying the generative hi hat action. Great content! Liked and subscribed.

[@watchboombox]

Thanks :)

[@Tyrell_Corp2019]

Studio One for me 😊

[@KeenanIvormusic]

Truly we're so slept on hahaha we can do it all lol

[@MAATXIM]

Lemme here som of your music!

[@allinthemind2006]

I remember in logic 9 you could customize the look to your hearts content

[@watchboombox]

OH really?

[@RobnDob]

There’s no rules to which is better. I’ve used ableton, logic, protools, cubase, fl studio etc. the only 2 things it comes down to is this. Can you make the music you like ie are all the tools laid out how you like them or do you need to do 10 steps to do one thing that another daw does in 2 steps? And the last is can you finish your song in it ie mixing / mastering? Music production needs to be looked at like a trade. You need many tools to build a house. You can’t just build and finish it with a hammer. For me personally my go to for editing, mixing and recording vocals is protools. Hands down can’t be beat. For producing protools is shit. 😂. For a long time I used logic however I’ve now switched to ableton and it’s only due to it having niche tools that logic needs 14 step workarounds to do like bass glides etc. The BIGGEST one though is this. I work in 24bit /48khz. Most samples are in 44.1khz. So logic DUPLICATES the sample within your sample folder as it creates a new version but at 48khz. 🤯 so now your sample library’s are doubling and getting messy. Ableton has a feature that you can turn this off in the settings so it doesn’t do it. It stores it within the session and not the original sample folder. Logic is a nice all in one daw and you can easily start and finish projects within it but silly things like not being able to move AUX tracks within the mix window is just silly. If I’m being honest though there’s another daw that isn’t getting any love and it’s Luna. Luna has the protools experience, like for like key commands and just has an amazing warm sound to it. But the save function is completely bonkers. There’s no save as. It’s called revisions if I remember correctly and it’s awful. Should they change it to save as….. I could be tempted 😂

[@watchboombox]

Very true - all DAWs ultimately lead to the same place. Some have better features for certain aspects than others. It really depends what your workflow is :)

[@carvinguptrails]

Beatbreaker yes.. but instead you should have mentioned step FX that comes with logic

[@watchboombox]

Yes that's true... do you find yourself using it that often?

[@carvinguptrails]

@@watchboombox all the time

[@JohannesNielsen]

Abelton all the way as I am familiar with the workflow

[@strawberryfields535]

Ableton is midi mappable and does not lose it’a saved midi information. At Logic Pro, 14 years now midi mapping is so unstable, it’s been really a nightmare. Every now and then aux sends mapped knobs are lost , don’t work after a few days of work. It’s unbelievable. If logic were consistent in that area, logic would be the best DAW by far. Ableton was so great with my performance in theatre because of its consistency. But for live music I still use logic due to my Sampler (exs24) presets. It’s really a decision to move all this work to Ableton. It would take weeks but I’m thinking about it. Really, Apple do something with midi mapping. Everybody has issues in the forums so many years now.

[@rano12321]

Reaper for me. Can do anything and with some community made scripts, it's more powerful than anything out there. ( I've used Ableton, FL, Pro tools, Cubase, S1 etc.)

[@capokelley]

hmm🤔

[@rano12321]

@@capokelley I currently have like 7 daws installed on my PC. Ableton, FL, Cubase, S1, Bitwig, Reaper, Reason but Reaper is diff. Reaper pretty much has everything he showed in the video and more lol. But use whatever works for you.

[@synthaxxoriginal4456]

If ableton live 13 would have an option to hide the session view, so you only see the mixer (keeping the option to see the midi / clip / effect view) it would be the ultimate DAW!!! That would give you the option in a dual monitor setup to have an arrangement window and a mixing (and midi / fx) window.

[@watchboombox]

Yup!!! we agree :)

[@roman2374]

They need to include better device view and busses in the mixer tho. And also the EQ in the Logic Mixer is great

[@CinoPORakaDjCino]

Of course everyone has his preferences! One certain I have, Ableton Live make life easer!

[@watchboombox]

Totally on board with you here 😉 all the tools are great and they lead you to the same destination

[@ApeStep]

Maybe it's a bug on Mac ableton but you absolutely can resize the group tab. I use it on windows which is why i think maybe it's a bug for mac. Also on windows it's TAB to change the screen to mixer. I used FL studio for a year but the automation is awful compared to ableton, It's capable on FL i just didn't like the workflow of it all. I think all DAW's are capable to do most things you'll need you just have to learn that particular software.

[@ApeStep]

I said you can resize the tab but didn't say how, Apologies, You just drag the bottom of group tab up or down to change size.

[@watchboombox]

Hey pal thanks for the response. Yeah certain DAWs are clunky when it comes to automation which is such an essential part of modern production! Appreciate you helping out with the window resizing. Have you checked out Boombox at all?

[@cara76]

I am a logic users for 2 years now, and a beginner producer. I'm thinking of switch to Live essentially because of the midi features (because I think I perform bad at my keyboard) and the samples 'find similar'. On logic currently, for those 2 features, I find logic to be basic but functional midi featured, and browsing from the builtin finder is a hassle : samples often miss to play when clicking twice on them, and almost all the time with a tiny little annoying lag after being selected (I have a mac mini m1 1to 16go). Also, in the builtin finder, you don't have a 'go to upper folder' but a 'back' button, which I don't dig :D. I have to agree also with one the viewer here : I find logic to be quite "prettier" and usable (shortcuts, overall layout) than Live. That the thing keeping me on Logic. For mixing, Logic is also very nice. I love the overall layout when color coding and grouping my tracks, having colored markers, and as said Fabio, you feel like a true music engineer before their good looking mixing console. And you can see the plugin on each tracks easily, manage sends quite easily, automate easily enough too. Thanks for the video. It enables me to think about my main instrument (the DAW) and my technical workflow.

[@DMNDBEATZ]

Stick with logic

[@Bukzonthebeat.]

Beat making on fl studio and recording on cubase that's all for me

[@watchboombox]

Sounds like you got a great workflow going!

[@bonafontciel]

7:28 you can create untagged loops in logic. However, sometimes still logic is far from perfect

[@watchboombox]

They need to work on this FO SHO. what else do you think they could improve?

[@bonafontciel]

@@watchboomboxmany things. Especially the browser which is inferior compared to Live’s browser. I’m a Logic Ninja and now I’m learning Ableton cause I can’t stand the browser in Logic

[@madd2377]

Why exactly is logic better for mixing and mastering ?

[@wasabi333]

Prob because of the stock plugins

[@robbystafford8273]

why do you call it logic pro x, when you're touting the "new" versions? they got rid of the "x" years ago

[@watchboombox]

The x represents the number 10. We’re still on 10 so Logic Pro x it is ;)

[@robbystafford8273]

nope. it's only logic pro. just look at all of apple's documentation and publicity for the last several years. they purposefully changed it. @@watchboombox

[@tntshuffle-9799]

Ableton live 12 is a complete and total, asio and sound engine nightmare. Im sticking with FL Studio and might give protools a shot.

[@seigemonstracity]

This is such a basic comparison. Like I'm waiting on someone to really do an in-depth comparison .. You sound Bias to Live. Live is great.. but you're cheating Logic lol

[@watchboombox]

What would you like for an in-depth comparison? Did you see my last video on Ableton VS Logic... you might find the answers you're looking for there ;)

[@giuseppearbia]

You need them both...... :)

[@watchboombox]

Why?

[@giuseppearbia]

@@watchboombox I use them both, score.....mixing/mastering, pitch corrections etc etc long list in favour of Logic but I love also Ableton, they are both great

[@olivierroquelle8007]

« Themes & Appearances : Ableton 1 - Logic 0 » 🤔 Well, even with the light/dark switch, Ableton track lines stay…unpleasant to work with (colors and contents). That’s also one point that made me switch back to Logic after some AL tries. Ok, totally subjective and free feedback! 😉

[@iliravdyli4109]

the sample browser in logic is a mess. by far the worst compared to other daws in the market. Apple fix this pls!

[@NoizeLondon]

They NEED to do something about this asap!!

[@geraldgoodiii6993]

Ableton or Bitwig. I bounce back and forth But the new 12 is fkn fire 🔥 No need to go into logic for mixdown. They are all 32bit float

[@watchboombox]

It's not the tools, just how you use them!

[@RemeSmokesaplenty]

If ur reading this, get FL. Harder to learn but worth.

[@wasabi333]

Not at all LOL Fl sucks

[@achimwasp]

"The majority of producers are working from a laptop" ... I highly doubt this. I'd think most producers have kind of a studio with synths, recording gear, mixer etc. so a powerful computer and one or more big monitors make much more sense.

[@watchboombox]

I think that would be nice... but even the pros are doing everything in the box these days

[@pk3776]

There both good 👍

[@hansav6594]

i will always be a logic girl, tried Ableton - overwhelming!

[@alexursu563]

Ableton is superior in almost everything, but Logic is more intuitive and has banger legacy samples and plugins ( drums, guitars, horns) also the aesthetic of Logic is really nice to me.

[@StratsRUs]

Logic really rocks.It has so much yet you can limit yourself.I think it is just a case of what depth. Logic is beautiful.

[@watchboombox]

We love Logic too!

[@dandelladf]

Logic : 200 $ and free updates, Alchemy, 80 go Apple Loops and more

[@Rio-uv1gs]

Logic for everything. There we go that's the end of that.

[@iskaya7217]

Hello everyone, First of all, I want to point out that Logic Pro has been treated unfairly in this comparison video. Such a biased approach is neither objective nor professional. The lack of neutrality in this evaluation is quite evident. Additionally, it’s important to mention that Logic Pro costs around $220 and offers lifetime updates without charging a single cent-this is a significant advantage that should not be overlooked. As a friendly suggestion, I recommend taking a more balanced and thoughtful approach in your future evaluations. Keep in mind that there are people in the comments section who may have more expertise in music production than you-this is something worth considering. Wishing you all the best and good luck!

[@jonnyk2091]

Ableton will always win to me. No question about it.

[@defface777]

Every daw has been used to create some great music, just use what you like...

[@watchboombox]

Absolutely ! We don't deny that at all - we're just trying to give me people our perspective before they commit to one :)

[@adamradziszewski1069]

I'm amazed by how defensive people get when talking about the mixer in Ableton. Let's face it, the mixer view in Ableton is an utter joke. You see at most 10-ish channels at the same time, rendered as a ridiculous awkward lumps of rectangles. How can you do any fine mixing when struggling to find your tracks to make adjustments? It's such a bummer as otherwise Ableton could be the best DAW. Even FL Studio has a fantastic standar mixer view with small crisp channel strip, logical sends and ability to actually let you do the mixing without getting into the way.

[@watchboombox]

Yes.... well DAW wars are a thing haha. Ableton is a fantastic creative tool, it doesn't have the slick interface needed for mixing but it's still great.

[@tworzy]

Logic is just underrated

[@watchboombox]

We think so too...

[@rano12321]

It's Reaper.

[@DanielIvan707]

Logic is a beast!

[@watchboombox]

Sure is!

[@colognialist1964]

Ableton take a great jump with 12. But I don't like it. I don't like the look n feel. I don't like the ignorance of Ableton in some cases where users wait year by year. Apple has a natural ignorance - I guess it is part of apple philosophy (and im a Apple User btw.) Piano roll in Ableton and the midi features are awesome and useful. The similar finder is great too... Sounddesign ... both far behind Bitwig - and that's the reason why I go with Bitwig...

[@watchboombox]

Interesting... tell us more about bitwig please and what makes it so good

[@colognialist1964]

Bitwig is based on a fundamental modulation base. All ican be modulate incl. 3rd Party instruments by a bunch of modulators. Not only LFO‘s. Randomizers, stepModulators, segments and you can use the output of tracks as modulation too. And Bitwig has the „Grid“. Three types of grid allows you to create sound in way to create customized synths from scratch. In the noteGrid you creates notes or infects incoming notes and the fxGrid lets you create fx in a freely way with tons of modulations and logical behaviors. You can automate modulations, you can modulate automations and of course you can modulate modulations … Just take a Quick Look to „Polarity“ great YT Have a nice day.

[@cassbrewster]

I been using Logic for 15+ years and Ableton for just under 2 years, Ableton is better for beat making in my opinion

[@watchboombox]

Yeah I agree with that. Ableton has more creative features and is easier to learn

[@brayandeaviila]

Fl Studio

[@HeyItsUSM4N]

Logic is basically the Sylenth1 of DAWs. Its tried and true… sounds good… but nvr legitimately updates 🤣

[@NoizeLondon]

Hahah... well said love this analogy

[@kingofdjembe]

They've all been free since 2013 though. With a few major updates (Alchemy, Sampler & Quick sampler, Step Sequencer, Multi-effects, Sample alchemy & Beat Breaker).

[@dedicated2house]

REWIRE guys. Have both……. Simple

[@watchboombox]

A luxury for some... don't you think it complicates the process?

[@z73-dn9ts]

now 2024 still not release live 12

[@kingofdjembe]

2:22 IT looks terrible because it's starting to look like Ableton. 😂

[@watchboombox]

🤣🤣🤣

[@kozihoppy]

Ableton wins for MaxforLive only

[@watchboombox]

We like to think boombox wins 😅

[@ZacharyKyle]

FL STUDIO ftw

[@ptmmusic4913]

Thao tác trên Logic vẫn tốt hơn Ableton

[@rupeshkadam5544]

dont put the glowy shit to split.. just keep simple line

[@watchboombox]

Can you elaborate?

[@64Sq]

ableton always

[@watchboombox]

Always??

[@cl-zachwilliamsstudios3358]

Ableton all day all night! Logic is buggy and updates comes 2-3/year also apple force you buy another new computer - latest os, bla bla bla 🤮🤮🤮 apple 🤮🤮🤮 Nice observations about Ableton Fabio!!! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 After 5 years of Logic, 2 years ago I moved to Ableton and there is no looking back!!!

[@watchboombox]

Thanks bud - glad to hear you're enjoying Ableton!

[@ExplorerOfTheGalaxy]

Ableton is so ugly and distracting to me personally.. I prefer Logic which is beautiful.. or FL Studio.. that I'm already used to it.

[@watchboombox]

It looks like excel but it has great creative tools that Logic is lacking

[@MrPukerman]

logic 11 coming in 5 days)you are late)

[@watchboombox]

This video came out a while ago haha... but there is a new one just out now on the latest Logic 11 feature...:)

[@brayandeaviila]

Pro Tools

[@theDIMENSIONchannel]

I like this guy, hes smart as shit 😂id work with him im guessing he knows what hes doing 🤘😎🎧🍀😇🩸💚