Ableton Live 12 Will Not Stop Crashing

[@theepicredstoner1604]

ableton would really benefit from plugin sandboxing like bitwig does. instead of crashing the daw it crashes the plugin. been using bitwig for the past year or so and it hasn't hard crashed on me once.

[@barchel]

Yeah reaper does it too and it's great.

[@MRboomchongo]

@@barchelReaper gang!

[@foljs5858]

Ableton hasn't crash even once on me for the whole 3 months with the 12 beta. Though I just use Arturia, u-He, Valhalla and a couple of others, not tons of random VSTs.

[@buckycore]

All DAWs should start sandboxing for sure. Bitwig has never once closed on because of a crashing plugin

[@buckycore]

​@@barchelit does? Man, that's killer to know. I use Reaper a lot for specific types of projects, and know it's the king of stability next to Bitwig

[@njcity]

Seems a little unfair, Ableton Live 12 is still in beta isn't it? They literally say to not use beta versions in production.

[@vvvictoriav5958]

yeah, instead of complaining report the crashes so they can fix them

[@hatsaok8153]

@@gt4032 who told you its due to drop this month?

[@PlazDreamweaver]

It's officially released and now it crashes the moment it starts up. Also, takes like 3 whole minutes to start up when 11 took a few seconds. Literally unusable for me.

[@KnzoVortex]

Accept the future, submit yourself to the majesty of Bitwig, the grass is greener on our side

[@jonasharp3]

I wish I would’ve come over sooner. On a whim I decided to download the trial last week and I just can’t go back.

[@KnzoVortex]

@@jonasharp3 Glad you finally saw the light, every day our -cult- community grows stronger is a good day But yeah really if you have like any interest in sound design, it's just utterly incomparable. Also the piano roll + midi/audio operators, the audio clip features, just so much stuff I couldn't live without.

[@jonasharp3]

@@KnzoVortex it’s so intuitive too. I’ve only spent 10 days on it, and I’ve made a generative sequencer, and a number of patches that modulate 3rd party VSTs. I do love the grid, but honestly the top features for me are global modulators and containers. Just those two open up almost infinite possibilities.

[@KnzoVortex]

​@@jonasharp3Hey you got a discord or something, I'd love to talk more in depth about this kinda stuff (If you don't want to that's obviously cool too). But yeah Bitwig modulators are definitely the glaring feature that makes Bitwig just seem so much more cracked than everything else fs. And yeah the intuitiveness is definitely another huge plus I don't really think about much being a relatively long time user, but yeah everything is almost like too easy, I don't think there's a single thing in the dam software that isn't like as simple as possible. The Grid is definitely it's own thing. Bitwig is one of those companies where the founders have an unwavering vision for what the software will be, and it shows. I like the Grid, I could like it more, it's definitely got it's specialties and particularities, but if you spend some time with it can become an essential part of your production in various ways. It definitely lends itself to certain types of synth patches and sounds, though that range is still obviously quite big being a modular thing, and it can be a cool color amidst your vst collection. I use it relatively often as a synth in my music for its ease of use and for the sounds I can quickly and easily get from it, so my patches are often pretty simple. I know that if I wanted I could honestly spend more time coming up with various techniques and experimenting. Its also really really useful for making certain types of effects Bitwig doesn't have natively, kind of like how one would use M4L but a little more limited, but you can also mod your effects on the fly super easily. Once I figured out Ableton's erosion is basically just a modulated delay tap, I made a sick beefed up Erosion simulation in FX grid, which is abundantly easy with their mod delay module. Also made a 3 band dynamic EQ for ducking you melodic stuff to drums which I use like all the time. Also made a simple chaotic wow/flutter effect. A really cool glitchy stereo beat stutterer which is sick for complex sounding idm drums or just complex textures, Some other stuff too. So much cool stuff to do there.

[@JoelLinus]

BitWig has bounce in place, plugin sandboxing and all in one Midi/Audio Tracks. That's pretty much it for me, I'm never gonna go to BitWig unless Ableton really fucks up, also leave this cult bullshit it's stupid.@@KnzoVortex

[@LowHeatBeats]

Not quite fair bro - it's a beta version, not a final release. Also, it's probably a particular plugin causing it to crash. Also, it may be a problem that occurs more often on Windows, on M1 Mac it's been pretty stable for me.

[@LoVibe]

Not quite fair bro - final version crashing too. Also, plugins shouldn’t cause crashes on 750$ daw. Also, why people should spend 2500$+ on a MacBook just to be able to work on unstable overpriced DAW ? :)

[@hftl412]

I've used FL studio for 19 years and I've never experienced DAW crash. Ableton users, for whatever reason, think it's completely normal.

[@sgtcreasegrease]

nothing emphasises the word 'lIvE' like repeated software crashes.

[@nnctnlav]

No, we don't. Mine never crashes.

[@Reggi_Sample]

I’ve used FL for 6 months and had it crash more than any DAW I’ve ever used aside from MPC software. No one persons experience reflects the reliability of the DAW

[@dirg3music]

I've noticed all of my recent Live 12 crashes have been exclusively linked to Current, that may be part of the problem

[@Linguae_Music]

Bitwig & Reaper Mutual Goats.

[@buckycore]

All this 🙌🙌🙌

[@RevRyukin7]

I mean ... Bitwig never does this shit and is kind of superior in most, if not, all ways ... js

[@ProductionByTales]

Out of all the beat battles, I wish I would've joined this one. Very entertaining video!

[@SuperGinkgo]

Bitwig... Have a play with that, you may be suprised. 🖖😁🎶

[@Meutecee]

I´ve sampled "Oh my god dude, Ableton Live 12 is a piece of s***"...thx for that 😎

[@Meutecee]

I´m a Bitwig user btw 😀

[@uaca_uaca]

Bro this is amazing

[@Kevhuman]

The crashes started after the last update, I've had one or two, that's beta testing. Send a report

[@waltwilliams5195]

No lie, I thought it was just me!

[@LilFlipzzKillz]

CPU going absolutely crazy

[@akira20ish]

FL reigns supreme I switched over to it and I have zero regrets

[@akira20ish]

I use both as I have fixed my Ableton live crashes

[@LaghimaMusic]

I think minimeters could be the cause of your increased crashes I noticed that minimeters doesn’t interact with ableton well

[@bupkis7505]

This why i dont even think about upgrading till 3 months after release

[@artephank]

Was there any release? Isn't all of the ppl on beta (which by definition is not ready yet)

[@valdir7426]

it's still a beta so bugs are expected anyway

[@maplefoxx6285]

use the DRAG button in Scaler... draggin sets of chords just highlighting them will crash any daw randomly when using Scaler 2, this is a known issue. I had Scaler crash Reaper this week and i figured out this is why. i feel like its Scaler that kept crashing Live for you

[@digicat247]

I was using Ableton 11 on a windows 10 machine which was a gigabyte micro-atx with an AMD Ryzen threadripper first gen. Sometime in 2022 one of the updates for Windows caused my machine to freeze and crash about every hour. Running Ableton 11, it would crash much more frequently. Each track in Ableton uses a processing thread and my suspicion is that the way Windows handles multi-threaded behavior is conflicting with something in the hardware setup I had. I am not saying this is the problem but it is very similar to one I had on Windows 10, crash crash crash crash. I gave up and moved to Apple M-series hardware and have not had the issue since and not at all with Ableton 12 beta.

[@aadliafiq]

Disableton am i right

[@DJKaBz1]

Live 10 ganggang

[@bryxn4328]

10 has a sweet workflow🔥🔥 not to fancy and straight to the point

[@DJKaBz1]

@@bryxn4328 I wish I had the scale functions in the piano roll, but that’s all really. The daw does most everything I want. I tried the new fl studio when it was on sale but I just can’t force myself to switch over. The workflow is totally different.

[@SpencerJhay]

Man I sent in a bug report for this the other day. I’ve been running into the same issue. I was partly able to help get the last bug with the Indexer fixed (took a few weeks though since it was through the holidays). Hoping it gets fixed soon

[@kingof9x]

Wehn i switched from trying to use the computer for everything to having dedicated computers for different tasks crashing became almost non existent. I have a computer for music production, at home (desktop 3 years old way over built) a laptop for VJ work and a chromebook for all the normie internet browsing and useless comment creation.

[@ValpoTV]

Sup man, your discord link is expired. Also which visualizer is the one that you use at the TOP of your Ableton?

[@llexmontana]

Minimeters

[@BloodyChunX]

I can't believe these companies are now paying you to put me off stealing their software!

[@soARTofficial]

props for using scaler

[@matslarsson5988]

I'm a long time Studio One user. This black friday I was actually going to buy Ableton just for "fun". I thought maybe buying another Daw could lead to some sort of inspiration or whatever. Stupid of course.. Then I saw that there was a demo. Installed it and on the first start up it crashed. I took it as a sign. Uninstall. Back to Studio One.

[@szpetny291]

Ableton be looking fire ngl.

[@KatalistProductionsKozzySasha]

You know Ableton is fucking up lately when the MPC Software is more stable lol.

[@asquiddymay]

had the same issues with 11 for the first year. they did something to make it less cpu /gpu intensive. Apparently my graphics card was causing the crash somehow...

[@gwugluud]

No surprise. Every time I've tried to get the cheap Ableton you get for free for buying certain gear, I go through the process, and at the final step, something happens and it aborts. This has happened consistently, exactly the same series of events, Every. Time. Ableton are turkey shit.

[@iqnill]

Ableton Live is like Microsoft Word, the only reason people use is because "everybody uses it" and their grandfather thought it was brilliant.

[@the_real_iceman]

Bruh, Live 12 has been at least 10 times more stable for me than 11. The only times it would crash was when a certain plugin would crash. Not once did it crash on its own.

[@drtitus]

Ableton trying to keep up with FL21's crash features. Don't upgrade the DAW on your main machine until you know the replacement works.

[@carlrowlinson2833]

Not just me then. 12 has been dog shit so far

[@RePeterPod]

I think it’s your vst

[@hftl412]

Jokes on your DAW aside this one is a big improvement over that RZAxGuitar Center type beat from last time. First dnb sorta joint Ive heard from you Id play in my sets.n

[@l1fef0rm]

it's beta. not crashing for me... Are you using Windows 11? That could be the issue. Hasn't crashed at all on me on Windows 10. There is always Bitwig, close to buying that. CV control without having to buy Max is pushing me closer to purchasing. Bitwig also has a Linux build, Live is the one thing that is stopping me from moving to a Linux distro.

[@lionbird7176]

Yeah for Bitwig. It’s ruling these comments lol. It is so dope

[@creatingspacesproducer]

I got so fed up also with previous Ableton versions crashing on me and taking ages to load up even on M1 pro, BITWIG FTW!!!

[@nnctnlav]

I have no problems with it, in fact it's been much more stable and faster than 11

[@machoman7655]

Bitwig is what Ableton wants to be.

[@DmitryPuffin]

Can somebody tell what is that scope app that Weaver is using?

[@unsaved6]

unableton

[@joesirco]

You know what doesn’t crash very often? Trackers… dust off that amiga and show us what you’re really made of

[@absyntho73]

switched to Bitwig because of steady Ableton trouble...Version 10 was not so stable, 11 is not stable at all...at least on my Mac 😕

[@xfilesxfilesxfiles]

ong on a fucking mac it took them a year to support it native even the non native was ight but it felt like the native version just slightly improved arturia plugins tend to crash on 12 which sucks big time even i feel like they put some anti piracy stuff in it

[@valdir7426]

you're not lucky; been using ableton since v6 on many different machines; it has been mostly stable, I had projects run for weeks without a crash. most problem I had was with heavy max for live patches in edition mode.

[@absyntho73]

same for me, but since v10 i have problems...@@valdir7426

[@artephank]

What ableton 12? I am still waiting for mine. Isn't beta?

[@screamingswifts]

Unableton.

[@JamesRamboPearce]

I literally couldn't even program some midi into Ableton 12 without it crashing

[@RecMirage]

MIDI packs are the scourge of music production.

[@hftl412]

Gills holy f**k 😮 : I cant find this man on Soundcloud or spotify but I wanna be tapped in so if anyone has his links lmk

[@ald6873]

Ableton Live is the Boeing of the DAW world.

[@user-lz3ce8gj1m]

Happens on 11 too since they made a update. I guess they messed something up in the Softwares Code.

[@user-lz3ce8gj1m]

Also Plugins Sometimes Stop working randomly

[@eightoheight]

Still miles better than 11

[@valdir7426]

11 is perfectly fine though, it's mostly cosmetic

[@grafikwork3808]

@@valdir7426Nah!

[@mafiamusicfamily]

I Have the M1 mac mini. Ableton live 12 hasn't crashed on me at all

[@Lordxfx]

It's time you investigate the software you have installed on your system or investigate the stuff you have running concurently. Ableton is not that unstable as you clame. I've noticed your operating system uses your a soundcard too. Start with disabling that on an DAW.

[@DashGlitch]

obligatory Bitwig comment

[@carlosog5041]

I personally have had some extreme issues trying to run Pigments 5 in Live 12

[@NEOREV_MUSIC]

I wanna find that GILLS track.

[@potsandjacks]

Then you going to try Bitwig?

[@Mill-on-da-track]

Its crashing on my m2 mac and my windows desktop

[@speckles9251]

OK, so I'm not alone here ... Tried switching from Logic to Ableton and ... crashes, crashes, crashes ... Guys, ... if Logic should go off the air it recovers 100%. This Ableton software is garbage !!! How do you guys work with something like this?

[@hunnidyard]

For Mac users: you have to run live 12 in Rosetta mode

[@valdir7426]

that's not really a solution

[@hunnidyard]

@@valdir7426 It was for me. Lol

[@valdir7426]

@@hunnidyard the rosetta version is a crippled version. if the beta doesn't work for you run the normal version; live 11.

[@hunnidyard]

@@valdir7426Again, this method works for me lol because dolbys ltc plugin only works in Rosetta along with all my other legacy plugins

[@hunnidyard]

@@valdir7426again, this method works for me lol. Dolbys ltc plugin only works in Rosetta along with my other legacy plugins.

[@erasusdnb]

just switch to Bitwig like i did

[@ReeWebster]

What spec analyzer is that?

[@realsciencerhythm]

That would also be my question? @weaverbeats

[@robertofoti6637]

I want too!

[@younited8959]

Minimeters

[@ReeWebster]

@@younited8959 biggup, 🙏 thx

[@bigkahunasc]

Current seems so mid to me can anyone tell me whats special about it

[@bryxn4328]

any live 10 users around??

[@yungesco2267]

Audacity has never crashed for me

[@akira20ish]

So boys makes you regret that pre order huh? Glad I bought FL in 2019 and finally got to learning it way faster and no crashes

[@valdir7426]

he's a using a beta version; so yeah bugs are expected. I'm running live 11 and can't remember the last time it crashed.

[@akira20ish]

@@valdir7426 try using certain vst plugins and see how far you get

[@Reggi_Sample]

You may be lucky but FL is one of the worst DAWs for crashing

[@akira20ish]

​@@Reggi_Samplehilarious mine doesn't ever crash maybe if your using s cracked version lol I bought mine

[@brendenweaver5107]

I always just blame windows 11 for my problems!

[@sklobi]

Why don’t you ever give good samples? Maybe more people would join in…

[@bronxbeatz]

i set my ableton to open with roseta on my mac hasnt crashed again

[@Dubsteppah]

Crying over your beta crashing and calling Ableton Live12 a "piece of shit" while on an Windows PC. yeah ok

[@TonyThomas10000]

Time to switch to Bitwig, bro!

[@janolat2519]

FL Studio time^^ 😂

[@cutrugs5676]

I said this to ya on insta but you said it was good and I just bought it :(

[@VentureNW]

omg... its a beta, use 11 and let that crash. Geese.

[@nongmar8783]

Nice paid update :)

[@RevIsnot]

11.3.13 mooottttttttttaaaaaaaafka.. u gotta restart if you save crash :(

[@Roses_R_redeR]

🥀🫵💪🔥

[@Ra_Sharpness_]

Like being the butt of a joke

[@iamrentrey]

its highly likely your windows PC at fault most of the time

[@AcidTechnoMan5000]

One major problem here. WINDOWS!!!

[@AizenIPlannedIt]

inferior software 😆

[@djJustJay]

Man this reminds me of old pc computers. Thats why i stay on mac. Honestly. Back in the day it was the only dependable. Things have changed but idk…….

[@weltering]

New Ableton on Windows is not meant to work and never has never will. And no-one cares. Get a Mac like all the devs or rollback the version to one year prior.

[@xkidmidnightx]

lol windows user

[@valdir7426]

person uses a beta program. program crashes. *surprise pikachu face*

[@grafikwork3808]

Just don’t use windows 😂😂 problem solved

[@dougiefreshh0019]

fl better

[@akira20ish]

Dude I totally agree Ableton is garbage these days even 10 crashes