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Ableton Live on iPad Pro - IS IT WORTH IT?

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Sanjay C

Sanjay C

Күн бұрын

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@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
📣 Would you use an iPad in your music setup? How about with another DAW?
@peteluna4968
@peteluna4968 3 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see your review of Steinberg Cubasis on iPad. I'm considering this software with the iPad Pro.
@ashwinskrishna5977
@ashwinskrishna5977 3 жыл бұрын
Studio on ipad or logic on ipad would be lit
@dannyvalentino328
@dannyvalentino328 3 жыл бұрын
Look out for WWDC next month. Now that Apple has the M1 chip in the newest iPad Pro, it's almost certain that Apple will release Logic Pro and Final Cut Pro for iOS. And you can be certain that other DAW manufactures will follow suit. There is no need for an iPad with all that insane power that comes with an M1 chip unless Apple is planning on releasing their pro apps to the iOS platform.
@InkHeart
@InkHeart 3 жыл бұрын
Hey! Sanjay What's up with the autotune giveaway?
@peralta229
@peralta229 3 жыл бұрын
The new iPad m1 has a lot of power and if we could get the ableton app in it that would be amazing sir.😀😁😃☺🙂😌
@MIRAJADESIGN
@MIRAJADESIGN 3 жыл бұрын
A step in the right direction. I hope Abelton produces an official app at some point.
@ultracello
@ultracello 3 жыл бұрын
Yes! Would instabuy!
@dpadilla1127
@dpadilla1127 Жыл бұрын
I think LK is the official app, right? It’s the only App Ableton talks about in their website
@ckatheman
@ckatheman 6 ай бұрын
Yeah, Ableton Note kinda sucks
@Collin275
@Collin275 3 ай бұрын
Newbie here who’d like to get into Ableton but I do a lot of travel and my iPad would really be my best form factor. So if I understand this correctly, an iPad is only usable if it’s acting as an extra display of a iMac/macbook? I’d love to be able to just pull out the iPad on a plane and start jamming.
@cerealboxstudios
@cerealboxstudios 3 жыл бұрын
It’ll be interesting to see what Apple does with Logic Pro X as an iPad app now that the new iPads have M1 chips.
@nocoolkidsallowed8787
@nocoolkidsallowed8787 3 жыл бұрын
If they do it well, I'll buy an iPad so fast
@cerealboxstudios
@cerealboxstudios 3 жыл бұрын
@@nocoolkidsallowed8787 same. Keeping an eye out for their WWDC event on June 7th. Based on performance scores, the M1 iPad has the same performance as M1 MacBook Air.
@swackymusic
@swackymusic 3 жыл бұрын
Yesss
@bluebird1954
@bluebird1954 3 жыл бұрын
@@cerealboxstudios no logic pro x on iPad yet 🤦‍♂️😒
@cerealboxstudios
@cerealboxstudios 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah. It is a complex piece of software. Hopefully later this year.
@sizzlakalonji1261
@sizzlakalonji1261 2 жыл бұрын
Hands down the best reviewer on KZbin. Calm and straight to the point. I can listen to this dude talk all day… Cheers man
@lorenzopino5027
@lorenzopino5027 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay. Great video as usual! I’d like to share a tip that I discovered trying sidecar with Live 11. If you enable the “pen tablet mode” in “Preferences-> Look feel” it solves the problem you are mentioning about pencil sensitivity for track volume and automation. Also the zoom display setting can be useful. It allows you to zoom in/out the ableton available working space on your iPad to adjust it to your personal preferences.
@thetropiki
@thetropiki 2 жыл бұрын
THANK YOU!!!!!!!
@kdavid6379
@kdavid6379 2 жыл бұрын
came here for this. A MUST DO! Same issue with Ableton knobs too... this makes the faders and knobs function well with pencil.
@philchimbolo
@philchimbolo 3 жыл бұрын
Studio One RC works great with (of course) Studio One. It’s not intended to be the primary tool for production, but does allow for some great workflow improvements. I’m sure Sidecar will improve quite a bit in the days ahead. It works on both iOS and Android tablets, and works with Studio One on either Mac or PC… and the tablet app doesn’t care what the main computer is running! I have an iPad for my Studio One RC and run Studio One on a PC
@debdootmanna
@debdootmanna 3 жыл бұрын
After reading the title: are you serious!?? It's ridiculously 🔥🔥
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
LOL!
@SEONNTHAPRODUCER
@SEONNTHAPRODUCER 3 жыл бұрын
I was actually testing this a few weeks ago. I have a Windows PC but I made use of RD Client by Windows and I was able to get it working. It did require a bit more configuration (setting up a RDP) but it worked. Great video. Seriously.
@nickpmusic
@nickpmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting why Ableton and Reason Studios haven’t made an iPad version by now, even if it’s a cut back modified version. I’m sure they would sell just as good as the desktop versions.
@andrewreeds1524
@andrewreeds1524 3 жыл бұрын
The Synth station looks soo great. Kinda makes your studio look like Harry Gregson Williams'.
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Oh yeah...I've seen his video tour...very cool studio. How's it going, Andrew?
@andrewreeds1524
@andrewreeds1524 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC Home quarantined. Not so good. But, thank you for asking.
@WycliffStudios
@WycliffStudios 2 жыл бұрын
This will make iPad a great clip-launching tool for Ableton Live performances
@TheLegendOfLuca
@TheLegendOfLuca 3 жыл бұрын
the integration with logic´s remote app is awesome
@Kunigun
@Kunigun 3 жыл бұрын
Touchable and Duet Display works
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Good recommendations!
@mkrespo2577
@mkrespo2577 3 жыл бұрын
this is gonna be great when ableton it’s native for m1 then maybe it could replace computer
@Jpaul038
@Jpaul038 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the very informative and entertaining video SanjayC!
@MarcosBacon89
@MarcosBacon89 26 күн бұрын
This title is a bit misleading, but you got me.
@BennyVibes
@BennyVibes Жыл бұрын
Tried it out - it'll be good with another year or two worth of work.
@peralta229
@peralta229 3 жыл бұрын
Wow! Making music in an iPad has never been so good sir and I really like it sir, I wish that we had this feature on android devices sir.😀😁😃☺🙂😌😊
@MasterOneMusic
@MasterOneMusic 3 жыл бұрын
As always! Amazing video man! 🙏🏽🔥❤️
@heiah
@heiah 2 жыл бұрын
Big opportunity missed here talking about touchable pro. Hands down best app for controlling Ableton with the iPad wirelessly. I’m actually surprised you haven’t made a video about it yet
@heiah
@heiah 2 жыл бұрын
@@jeffchartier5777 I guess you have to try, I have no pc, otherwise I’d have tested it for you 😊 let us know if you had any success
@Jordan-389
@Jordan-389 3 жыл бұрын
Amazing vid as always
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much, Jordy
@umanoid1523
@umanoid1523 3 жыл бұрын
Very cool. I often use touchable pro with my ipad,but not enough. The habit if doing everything onscreen is tough to break even with the multiple controllers i have setup.
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, I really hope Ableton introduces something for IOS
@KordTaylor
@KordTaylor 2 жыл бұрын
So good! Thank you Sanjay!
@YasinHasan
@YasinHasan 3 жыл бұрын
u can use full Ableton on surface tablets & use multitouch in the DAW. Windows is also way more user friendly
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I've been tempted to try it on a Windows touchscreen just for that extra functionality. Do you do that?
@kanavgupta2816
@kanavgupta2816 2 жыл бұрын
Please keep us updated on this
@philipjoshua274
@philipjoshua274 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome Sanjay 😍😎
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much!
@philipjoshua274
@philipjoshua274 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC 😇
@pandanda656
@pandanda656 3 жыл бұрын
if Imagine line release Full blown FL for ipad id buy ipad just for that
@blueking5635
@blueking5635 3 жыл бұрын
That would be the dream!
@blk-anime
@blk-anime Жыл бұрын
Excellent bro, could you tell me from which ipad model I can use it please, I await your answer
@smracing5913
@smracing5913 3 жыл бұрын
Even Samsung now allows desktop/laptop screen mirroring on tab S7/+ which will also result same in windows
@heedyland3201
@heedyland3201 3 жыл бұрын
Which app are you using on the iPad to integrate with your Mac?
@ThisIsNotASafeSpace
@ThisIsNotASafeSpace 3 жыл бұрын
its a feature called ‘sidecar’ its integrated into iOS
@vishnuechakra
@vishnuechakra 3 жыл бұрын
Pls show us how it is done (connecting everything for it to work)
@davidmoonsamy5764
@davidmoonsamy5764 Жыл бұрын
Would love to see an updated review
@XeroHertz
@XeroHertz 3 жыл бұрын
I was just about to buy the standard edition for PC when i came across this video.. Will decide after watching it! 😀
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
If you get a touchscreen PC, you may be better off.
@ApolloMclaren
@ApolloMclaren 2 жыл бұрын
Use duet to do this on pc
@JeezVince
@JeezVince Жыл бұрын
Can't you use another pencil than the apple one ?
@ShenFM
@ShenFM 3 жыл бұрын
I really found this informative especially now that Im looking to upgrade my old ipad to an iPad Air within my Ableton Live 11 performance setup. Thanks for this!
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
You're welcome!
@ShenFM
@ShenFM 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC Would u be interested in my Kalimba/Mbira instrument I made using live samples note for note that I recorded in studio high quality samples of each notes...
@TehSyneS
@TehSyneS 2 жыл бұрын
@@ShenFM love that instrument of yours!
@sarahs7130
@sarahs7130 3 жыл бұрын
Hey!?..great video 📸
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, thanks! How are you, Sarah?
@margaretchristo6859
@margaretchristo6859 3 жыл бұрын
Another top notch video. Thank you. Man, I cannot wait for the studio reveal.
@mihaimalaescuofficial
@mihaimalaescuofficial 3 жыл бұрын
I use already Cubasis 2, but I m waiting for ages for ableton to be launched for IOS.
@randymiles7023
@randymiles7023 3 жыл бұрын
Looks like it has great potential... Maybe it will grow into a good value. For now, I'm sticking with my PC and saving money for more essential hardware (monitors/headphones).
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
That's always a good idea. What monitors and headphones are you looking into?
@randymiles7023
@randymiles7023 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC I'm trying to decide between the Slate headphones you reviewed, KRK RP7 Rokit 7s, or a new mouthpiece for my sax. I keep waffling between which of the 3 to buy first!
@randymiles7023
@randymiles7023 3 жыл бұрын
If you had a cheap version of monitors and headphones in your bedroom, would you buy Slate headphones or monitors first?
Жыл бұрын
Nice Review Sanjay, question: What is that iPad stand? Looks so minimal
@justinjoshua1648
@justinjoshua1648 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome 👍🏻
@justinjoshua1648
@justinjoshua1648 3 жыл бұрын
Day before yesterday bought ipad air 4 for DAW
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Hey, so you'll be able to try this? Do you have a Mac too?
@justinjoshua1648
@justinjoshua1648 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC Nope, started with ipad
@joosepolivervinkel8999
@joosepolivervinkel8999 3 жыл бұрын
Great video!
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks Joosep, would you consider doing this with Ableton?
@joosepolivervinkel8999
@joosepolivervinkel8999 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC Yes!
@nathanbryers
@nathanbryers 3 жыл бұрын
Hey Sanjay try Splashtop
@ultraconchetsap
@ultraconchetsap Жыл бұрын
Although i dont have hands in my first ipad pro yet, it could come in handy for organizing and preparing tracks. While I might not use it extensively for production, it would be great for arranging and editing automations. Additionally, the "scenes" feature seems like a useful tool for me to prepare a track in advance
@RyuzenMusic
@RyuzenMusic 3 жыл бұрын
I guess sidecar is still kinda limiting. But you can use TouchAble Pro and honestly I really like TouchAble to use it for adjust the volume mixer rather than using a mouse to adjust it.
@justsomemincedgarlic
@justsomemincedgarlic Жыл бұрын
I just wish we could get a full ableton app for iPad Pro. My IPad Pro has more power than my macbook, and literally the only reason I even use my macbook setup anymore is because of ableton. Logic Pro just released their ipad app and it’s pretty much the exact same experience as the computer version and I’ve actually debated switching over to Logic as my main DAW because of that. Starting a project or sketching out a musical idea on my ipad and then picking up and fleshing it out fully when I get home to my studio setup sounds incredible and if being an ableton user over a Logic Pro user is what’s holding me back from that, i might have to switch to logic.
@LostStylus
@LostStylus Жыл бұрын
The worst thig is that VST that use OpenGL do not work - they are rendered as white, this is an old SideCar bug :(
@swackymusic
@swackymusic 3 жыл бұрын
An actual release of Ableton on ipad, with the New keyboard, mouse support, and the new M1 chip support on ipad, and it's the best portable music production setup!!!!
@danielwilliams3161
@danielwilliams3161 3 жыл бұрын
I just stick with FL studio mobile just because all the other software seems they seem too much for me to like understand and I've been using a first Yu-Gi-Oh since well long time
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah, other DAWs are doing very well with iOS compatibility.
@danielwilliams3161
@danielwilliams3161 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC that's great to hear
@miekwavesoundlab
@miekwavesoundlab 2 ай бұрын
Does this work Mac Mini + iPad (regular 64Gb) 9th gen?
@dreographic4163
@dreographic4163 2 жыл бұрын
Apple employee here! Sorry Sanjay i have to correct you on the Apple Pencil If you are using the newest iPad Pro, iPad Air, or iPad Mini, Gen2 pencil is the one compatible with these devices Gen 1 pencil only works with iPad or older generations of the Pro, Air and Mini Thank you for the great video 🙏🏽
@GarageBen
@GarageBen 2 жыл бұрын
Nice video! 👏 I use my iPad mainly for my music channel here on YT... obviously. In your opinion, which iPad might be best for the GarageBand app?
@SoundtempleMusic
@SoundtempleMusic 3 жыл бұрын
No mention of LK as an alternative. Surely it's the best ipad app for controlling Ableton these days?
@michaeloravecz5752
@michaeloravecz5752 3 жыл бұрын
Makes a lot more sense to use Windows. Microsoft Surface is great. Want a larger screen or don't want a Surface, use any Windows PC with any of a number of monitors with touch. And there are some monitor options that support both touch and pen. Also to get things to work with touch/pen properly, go to Preferences -> Look/Feel tab -> Pen Tablet Mode. Turn 'Pen Tablet Mode' ON. Now you can drag the the position of the sliders in the Mixer section as you want instead of having to click. This was pointed out in a KZbin video by Robin Vincent - ""Ableton Live 10 AbsoluteMouseMode is now Pen Tablet mode". This works on a Windows computer. I don't have a Mac.
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the tip on this, Michael. Very useful for Windows users
@federicobacher
@federicobacher 3 ай бұрын
Great video ! Is ableton live on your ipad or is it a remote control for your desktop? I cant find an ipad vertion of Ableton Thanks !
@georgechiukaraoke8278
@georgechiukaraoke8278 2 жыл бұрын
My iPad's model is not "iPad Pro". Its specification and model is " Apple 2021 9th Gen. iPad 10.2" 64GB ". I just wonder if Ableton Live will work on my iPad using sidecar feature as you described ? Thank you.
@coldbear1096
@coldbear1096 Жыл бұрын
Sir does it work on ipad than ipad pro
@dorkasaurs9359
@dorkasaurs9359 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks SanJayC
@farfarad89
@farfarad89 3 жыл бұрын
Ipad pro cellular 2020 hat ein bluetooth problem mit BT Tastaturen, wenn ein Hotspot vom ipad aus aufgebaut ist. Das ipad blockt nach ein paar Minuten die Zahlen und Buchstaben der BT-Tastatur..während Funktionstasten noch funktionieren. Das Problem taucht nach wenigen Minuten auf...zwischen 5 bis 20 minuten...nachdem man zwischen Apps wechselt...Apple Entwicklung hat das nicht beheben können. Auch mit der Apple BT Magic Tastatur!
@srvpostsvlog
@srvpostsvlog 2 жыл бұрын
Can we use ableton on android tablets, like mi pad 5 ?
@luisgonzales7730
@luisgonzales7730 2 жыл бұрын
Can I control my daw from my vocalbooth to record vocal?
@JakeSweeper
@JakeSweeper 3 жыл бұрын
When I first learning Live, I had put Lite on my MS Surface Pro 4 and selected tablet mode. It worked very well when all was said and done. It's a little disappointing that Mac users have to through all these hoops to do the same thing, now. Hopefully Ableton will make an ios version once the teething of the M1 ipads are mostly done.
@MrCcfly
@MrCcfly 23 күн бұрын
is it support vst ?? like arturia collection x ?
@iamshiv21
@iamshiv21 3 жыл бұрын
Notification squad 🔥🤟
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
You are the fastest the past few weeks!!! Wow!
@iamshiv21
@iamshiv21 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC I've set a reminder 😂
@jeffagoddard
@jeffagoddard 3 жыл бұрын
Logic has a better architecture. Logic Remote for iOS is optimized for the iPad platform. Duplicating full DAW capabilities on an iPad doesn’t make sense to me. “Augmenting” your DAW with iOS apps is a better strategy. I use Logic Remote like a mixing console as a 3rd screen - it’s awesome.
@onlygames5676
@onlygames5676 2 жыл бұрын
Does it work on iPad mini?
@Tka4000
@Tka4000 2 жыл бұрын
Tell me, please, you use the 11” iPad Pro or 12.9”?
@agustyalfan2976
@agustyalfan2976 3 жыл бұрын
Please Compare Midiplus studio 4 vs Focusrite 2i2 Gen 3
@princenihalvlogs9345
@princenihalvlogs9345 3 жыл бұрын
Best audio interface under $200
@ThereWillBeCake
@ThereWillBeCake 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video. I really hope we get a stand alone iPad version or at least a remote tool set type app for working on ideas away from the main abelton computer.
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Yeah....do you use Ableton Push? I think its a great (non-wireless) option.
@ThereWillBeCake
@ThereWillBeCake 3 жыл бұрын
@@SanjayC I love push! I have push one and currently saving for push 2 :).
@TheDehow78
@TheDehow78 3 жыл бұрын
So it’s the logic remote app but for Ableton
@uhhkonichiwa...
@uhhkonichiwa... 3 жыл бұрын
Is the new M1 chip of the macbook air capable of using DAW's like Ableton Live,cubase,pro tools etc??
@TheBroDotTV
@TheBroDotTV 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if Ableton Live will really come to the iPad Pro M1.
@TheDreadlocker
@TheDreadlocker 2 жыл бұрын
hey guy, hope you,ll see that :) very very nice solution, but how does it work, that you can use touch gestures for mac os on your ipad? i tried everything, but it don't work. i have an actual ipad air 4. thanks very much in advance!
@Jjuliannnn
@Jjuliannnn 3 жыл бұрын
And "Touchable" app?
@perrypelican9476
@perrypelican9476 2 жыл бұрын
Wireless latency?
@prcption8636
@prcption8636 10 ай бұрын
Why can’t you touch with your fingers?
@ArjunSharma-wi3jp
@ArjunSharma-wi3jp 3 жыл бұрын
Hey man I am using iPad for music production I am using beat maker three and GarageBand my iPad air4 really gets hot while working on it and even if I put it on charge it won’t charge more than 80% Even for hours have you ever faced the same issue
@MyFiction
@MyFiction 3 жыл бұрын
Sanjay brother can you please help me what is cc in mpk MK3 and tell about program controls in midi mpk MK3 akai how can I use cc to program my pads and use the while playing please Sanjay brother
@ThereWillBeCake
@ThereWillBeCake 3 жыл бұрын
Sanjay do you foresee an Abelton stand alone app coming to ios in the near future? Even if it is just an idea creation tool to later be taken back to MAC/PC for further work similar to imashcine.
@christianamaya3329
@christianamaya3329 3 жыл бұрын
Question . When on Sidecar can you change the output audio in live preferences on ableton while using the iPad ?
@vishudas333
@vishudas333 3 жыл бұрын
It's awesome 😍in iPad🔥✌
@effebidi9677
@effebidi9677 Жыл бұрын
Windows Surface doesn't make the job too ?
@enocharcane8741
@enocharcane8741 2 жыл бұрын
Many Blessings
@connorcarbon
@connorcarbon 3 жыл бұрын
touchAble Pro software developers: "am I joke to you"
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Haha....yes, I think there are better alternatives to Sidecar
@austinstallion8187
@austinstallion8187 2 жыл бұрын
Hi there what kind of stand did you connect your iPad to?
@oli._.var0
@oli._.var0 3 жыл бұрын
do you also need to spend additional 200€ for the Ipad abelton version or not?
@Ndlanding
@Ndlanding 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for this. I now see even less reason for having anything Apple.
@Valleedbrume
@Valleedbrume 3 жыл бұрын
You can use AUM on the IPad.
@cedricantonino1787
@cedricantonino1787 2 жыл бұрын
Hello sir i have a new Focusrite Scarlett Solo Bundle with Free Ableton lite in USB can i install that usb (ableton lite software) in IPAD??? Tnx 😊
@joshua7734
@joshua7734 3 жыл бұрын
What is that pencil holder/mount?
@dafingaz
@dafingaz 3 жыл бұрын
Nice!
@premixmpk7070
@premixmpk7070 3 жыл бұрын
Hmm...interesting
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, but I'm not completely satisfied particularly because of the WiFi interference problem that's really impacting the performance for me.
@premixmpk7070
@premixmpk7070 3 жыл бұрын
it will be really great if they fix it
@pratikjoshi8335
@pratikjoshi8335 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay, Thank you for sharing the video it's really helps us. BTW I am pratik Joshi from California RIverside. Basically from Gujarat India. I want to know How did you install this ablenton live in the IPAD could you please advice me ? I really appreciate your reply on this sanjay. Thanks
@tommykavounidis
@tommykavounidis 3 жыл бұрын
Totally forgotten to mention Touchable!
@soulrelaxmusic3279
@soulrelaxmusic3279 3 жыл бұрын
ありがとうございます。
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
ありがとうございます。
@Lokjutus
@Lokjutus Жыл бұрын
Hey great video! I've run into some problems tho, everytime I activate Sidecar while Live is running I get audio cracking (similar to when CPU is high, but it's not). If I am not touching anything or audio is not playing, it seems to work fine. But as soon as I drag e.g. a plugin window to iPad, audio strats cracking and thus the whole thing becomes unusable to me :( is there a fix? I'm running Live 11 on MacBook Pro 2019, macOS 10.15
@MatthewVlossak
@MatthewVlossak 3 жыл бұрын
This would’ve been awesome to use…If Apple utilized the M1 chip in the new iPads. Disappointing that yesterday’s WWDC Event failed to live up to that.
@shortwave4786
@shortwave4786 3 жыл бұрын
Hi Sanjay ,I used to try this new method to improve the workflow but I find it will use some cpu on my MacBookpro .especially when work on a big project.did you test that?
@SanjayC
@SanjayC 3 жыл бұрын
Yes, I did...and it really made my CPU usage spike as I mentioned in the video. Even more than adding any other type of secondary display
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