About Ellen G. White | Phil Johnson | FAF Conference 2021

Phil Johnson, Executive Director of Grace To You
FAF Conference • February 12-14, 2021
The Former Adventist Fellowship (FAF) Conference is held annually in Southern California. In 2021 the conference is online only due to the pandemic. Hope to see you next year in person!

[@ramkanjeenterprises5416]

Anyone who prophesies in the name of GOD and it does not come to pass, you're a false prophet. I agree with this brother.

[@williamstroud1455]

Like what?

[@treefellonya]

@@williamstroud1455 You'll be waiting a long time to get proof of what these commenters make. Its not about truth, Its about Revelation 12:17.

[@yoshkebenstadapandora1181]

Her tombstone is freemasonic. What more do you really need to know?

[@williamstroud1455]

I'd like to know...how long were you unconscious when you hit your head? Just start with the most recent one.

[@remnantime3672]

It doesn't mean anything to have a freemason tombstone

[@camillaa.5231]

Great vid! EGW is all what you have said, and more. I've read some of her writings and my mind is blown on how she has corrupted the Word of God and changed the Gospel of Jesus Christ. You have said it all. I have a 2011 copy of The Great Controversy but I have never been SDA. I started reading her writings in order to understand why my understanding of the Bible and that of my SDA friend differed so much.

[@remnantime3672]

In what way did she corrupt it

[@remnantime3672]

@camillaa Can you tell me which part of the bible she corrupted please

[@epsyuma]

My SDA friends have told me that I have to keep the Sabbath day! But I asked them: What about the New Moons? Do you also keep the New Moons? Do you keep the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the Feast of Weeks, the Feast of Harvest, the Feast of Ingathering, and the Feast of Tabernacles? Those were also commanded by God, but you don't keep them. Why? Because EGW did not tell you to.

[@epsyuma]

@@lisachambers3683 There are 613 commandments given by God, not 10. The first 10 were written in stone as a sign of the covenant between God and Israel. If you break one, you have broken them all.

[@epsyuma]

@@lisachambers3683 - I pray that you will come into the knowledge of the truth, as the truth will set you free. I have one question for you: Are you trying to show God that you are righteous?

[@williamstroud1455]

Uh, emphysema, there are no commandments telling us to keep those festivals. There is a commandment, the 4th commandment, that tells us, and you to "Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy.".

[@debbiekaebirge-coitan1372]

Also interesting is that the calendar used by the church to figure out what day is the Sabbath is the same calendar created by the Catholic Church and adopted by the Jews. Doing Biblical research on dates in the Bible as well as Leviticus 23, is eye opening. But yeah, EGW trumps the Bible 😢 Twice the church looked into the calendar issue 1939 and 1995 both times the findings disappointed the leaders and got shut down and ignored and covered up. Interesting topics that the church would rather ignore and use the “prophet” to answer questions rather than the Bible.

[@epsyuma]

@@debbiekaebirge-coitan1372 - The Jews, during Jesus's lifetime, kept a lunar calendar. The full moon marked the 1st day of the new month. Count every 7 days and you have the Sabbath day, not Saturday. Saturday was a Roman day in honor of their pagan god Saturn (Saturn-day).

[@bop-ya-good]

Fun fact...no Ellen white....no sda church. They lose their prophetic authority and the identifying mark as manifested to the adventist church! Lets pray that happens sooner than later.

[@cbtam4333]

Amen. An SDA church that formally renounced Ellen White as a fraud could not be a church that was meaningfully SDA in any way. They have no idea of who they are or what they believe apart from their false prophet.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@cbtam4333Need to lose that pesky little Investigative Judgment thing, Too.

[@remnantime3672]

Fun fact. No EGW...the Christian word is confusing with so many denomination.... Now that's real

[@reidveryan9414]

To those in adventism, the spirit of prophecy was something that John and his brothers in Christ had in their day, not something that was to come and given to one person. See Revelation 19.

[@icedragon1000]

SDA's do not teach soul sleep, they teach conditionalism. In SDAism there is no such thing as the soul. They teach that you are a soul, you do not have one. when you die you go back to the dust, the breath goes back to heaven and you do not exist. that is based on Gen 2:7

[@johnacord6224]

A lot if comments here from SDA members, I have to ask, has any of her prophecies true, even one

[@remnantime3672]

To. John Accord Egw prophecy is already mentioned in the bible....

[@williamstroud1455]

Here's one for starters. How's this? "On one occasion, when in New York City, I was in the night season called upon to behold buildings rising story after story toward heaven. These buildings were warranted to be fireproof, and they were erected to glorify the owners and builders. Higher and still higher these buildings rose, and in them the most costly material was used. . . . The scene that next passed before me was an alarm of fire. Men looked at the lofty and supposedly fire-proof buildings and said: "They are perfectly safe." But these buildings were consumed as if made of pitch. The fire engines could do nothing to stay the destruction. The firemen were unable to operate the engines.-Testimonies for the Church, vol. 9, pp. 12, 13. Does 9/11 ring a bell?

[@williamstroud1455]

Here's another. Nuclear weapon perhaps? "Not long ago a very impressive scene passed before me. I saw an immense ball of fire falling among some beautiful mansions, causing their instant destruction. I heard some one say, "We knew that the judgments of God were coming upon the earth, but we did not know that they would come so soon." Others said, "You knew? Why then did you not tell us. We did not know." On every side I heard such words spoken.-Review and Herald, Nov. 24, 1904.

[@williamstroud1455]

World wars 1 & 2? I was shown the inhabitants of the earth in the utmost confusion. There was war, bloodshed, want, privation, famine and pestilence, in the land; and as these things were without, God's people began to press together, and cast aside their little difficulties. Self-dignity no longer controlled them. Deep humility took its place. Suffering, perplexity and privation, caused reason to resume its throne, and the passionate and unreasonable man became sane, and acted with discretion and wisdom. My attention was then called from the scene. There seemed to be a little time of peace. Then the inhabitants of the earth were again presented before me, and everything was in the utmost confusion again. Strife, war and bloodshed, with famine and pestilence, raged everywhere. Other nations were engaged in this confusion and war. War caused famine. Want and bloodshed caused pestilence. And then men's hearts will fail them for fear, "and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth." (Testimonies for the Church, vol. 1, p. 268)

[@williamstroud1455]

There are some that are awaiting fulfilment. We need to decide if we are on Gods side or not. How will you choose? Not according to the writings of Ellen White but on the Truths found in the Bible. Truths that are pointed to by Mrs. White in her writings.

[@carmenbartow4875]

I grew up as an SDA. I attend baptist and communty church as well. I have come to believe that we are all like the blind men explaining what an elephant looks like (each giving details on the part of the elephant they are holding) We will all be in for a surprise when Yeshua returns and fills us in on what really is truth. Lol.

[@prebensvensson3078]

Despite of all that... The Devil changed the HOLY 7 day ...to SUN-DAY THE DAY OF THE ...SUN... REVELATION 14:12 This calls for patient endurance on the part of the people of God who keep his commands and remain faithful to Jesus.

[@davidfarr1976]

So then what about other groups like Seventh Day Baptist? Are they also the so called true church?

[@oldschoole2620]

Where can I hear yesterdays talk mentioned ?

[@charlesgugins381]

The great disappointment should be called the great embarrassment.

[@queenesther4142]

Or the great deception!

[@deefriesen7379]

What about letters, like the one from Australia, that came just when needed?

[@christhomas8607]

What is your doctrine about the word of God. I would like to know what you believe.

[@estar1277]

I was searching for a video regarding sda. There are many videos out there but this is the only one i found addressing these. Thanks. God bless.

[@andrewbrowne5557]

Adventism is a ‘World Religion’ based on works salvation, not unlike Islam or the LDS church…essentially a transactional institution wherein if you ‘do’ this, then you ‘get’ this…it is a ‘different gospel’ than Christianity…one of the things that bothers me most about these cults is their borrowing of our vocabulary…

[@papflower610]

🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩

[@Jaco3688]

@@papflower610 Small Craft Warning flags? 🤔

[@ydasda4210]

No, no it is not. ...............If you love Him, keep His commandments.

[@anthonyparak3507]

My view is that the Sabbath practice according to the Mosaic regime and covenant is no longer valid for the gentiles today in the new covenant. However the practice is noble and has great value for an individual creature to fully communicate and worship the creator, holy powerful yet loving and intimate being. The only issue now which SDA is prompting to a cult status is not the day, but "how" or defining the regime Sabbath is kept. Let me say this, apart from SDA there are Christian churches denominations keeping the Sabbath. The difference is that we are keeping the Sabbath with no "duress" since we are not under the laws of Moses but under regime of Yeshua Messiah based entirely on love. If you love or know who God or Yeshua is then an individual should set aside the Sabbath rest and in your home all Day in prayer rest and worship as individual or within the family. Problems come s when we institutionalise this day in a reglious organization then we fall into a snare we set for ourselves..ie obligated all members to attend Sabbath services, even roll calls are taken and absent members are castigated and labelled as backsliders. Sounds like the mosaic regime.

[@glorialoo3165]

Jesus warned😊 of false teachers and there are many today. I would rather study the words of Jesus to love the Lord your God with all your heart and soul and your neighbor as yourself.

[@charlenegodbee1202]

Funny how clever the enemy uses a bit of TRUTH WITH ALOT OF LIES.

[@itawambamingo]

Subscribing!

[@hermanapue6438]

It is all cult and unbiblical

[@CAmom75]

When i realized that the SDA church used Ellen White getting a smallpox vaccine, in order to promote the Covid vaccine... it all made so much sense. 😮

[@treefellonya]

SOME did decipher it that way - but most did not. Being deceived by government is a lot different than being spiritually deceived. Not all will be saved in the Adventist movement, but taking a vaccine, no matter how bad it is, is not something God will use to judge them - Judgement must first begin at the house of God.

[@caridadrevilla2439]

Wow. They were promoting the jab. Shocked!!

[@remnantime3672]

Can you show me that verse from her writings please

[@CAmom75]

@remnantime3672 I don't think it is in her writings. But the argument that I heard, was that EGW herself got the smallpox vaccine. So therefore vaccines in general are fine.

[@remnantime3672]

@@CAmom75 . Remours don't count.. sorry

[@grillabell]

Am grateful to be a seventh day adventist for 48 years and trust the Bible, the word of God. Keep the Sabbath holy and return the tithes. It's better to obey God than men. Blessings to you and

[@reidveryan9414]

The spirit of prophecy was something that John and his brothers had in their day, it was not something to eventually come and be given to one person. Please see Revelation 19.

[@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl]

@@reidveryan9414 Atually, it says the Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy, now what is a testimony? It is defined as the example of his life, did Christ adhere to Isaiah 8:20? Absolutely yes!! Therefore so did any of the prophets in the Bible. In the last 1800 years not one person in history that was either considered a prophet or was to their own bragging a self-proclaimed prophet ever fulfilled Isaiah 8:20 in the same manner E.G.W. did because none of them kept the Sabbath along with the other 9 commandments or pointed to the Bible as the standard by which to live. She met both the requirements of Isaiah 8:20.

[@tizeye4760]

It's painfully obvious, the poor woman, was most likely suffering from a neurological disorder such as epilepsy or traumatic brain injury.

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

All.surmizing Is.evil

[@williamstroud1455]

You have obviously not read any of her books.

[@alanmacmillan6957]

at best. the drive towards false prophesy makes her a false preacher. the act was to fill churches and make money like so many churches in early 19th century in America at that time.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

Point of Important Clarification: The Pope is not considered infallible in every word he utters. There are protocols, must be directed Ex Cathedra, from the Chair of Pope Peter, and relate to Great Matters of Faith and Morals. It never occurs ad hoc in a vacuum. Please do your homework.

[@theodorjoensen]

I have not heard one SDA preach what you claim. This reminds me of todays "factcheckers" which make up their own narrative, and then factcheck their narrative, which usualy dirrers substantialy from what they "fact"check. This rant is definately not from God. This spirit does nothing but trying to break down, and the narratives are made up as you go along. PS! I am not SDA myself, but I enjoy many of their pastors. I have not seen nor heard anything remotely as biblicaly faithful and documented by scripture itself, as the SDA preachers deliver. Listening to this person makes me want to puke. He has a very relaxed attitude to truth and documentations. Just smears upon smears.

[@thecollegedean]

Born and raised an SDA. Attended SDA schools from 2nd grade through college...hold a degree in Religion from Walla Walla University. I can assure you that 90% of the history this gentleman is stating is true. The SDA church leadership has continued to evolve and attempted to down play the embarrassment of the early church doctrine. The lifestyle rules were not that different from other ultra conservative churches that grew out of the 1840s.

[@general8109]

Ms White taught something called Amalgamation...can Adventists please clarify what Amalgamation is?

[@agudo4259]

It appears that those people have the ability to either physically or in lab mix the genes of different species. Like genetic manipulation. That’s the way I understand it!

[@lk9513]

There are a number of excellent youtube videos on this subject. Actually, she seemed to be referring to the intermarriage of races of men. It is quite shocking when you consider what she was really saying.

[@healthypackages1802]

Yep look it up online or KZbin. Its disgusting. Its basically the same thing as groups like the KKK, NA***, or other racists groups spout. That all non white races are inferior.

[@19818456]

She literally meant the union between man and beast

[@general8109]

I am sure man and beast cannot produce an offspring.. is it that Ellen White was saying that a certain race ie. Blacks, were created from man and animal? She could never be a prophetess if she taught that..never

[@calvinmariano9414]

EGW says, “The glory of the eternal world has been opened before me. I want to tell you that Heaven is worth winning. It should be the aim of your life to fit yourself for association with the redeemed, with holy angels, and with Jesus, the world’s Redeemer. If we could have but one view of the celestial city, we would never wish to dwell on earth again. There are beautiful landscapes on earth, and I enjoy all these prospects of loveliness in nature. I associate them with the Creator. But I know that if I love God, and keep His commandments, there is a far more exceeding and eternal weight of glory reserved in Heaven for me. - {Mar 355.2}

[@JockeyMans-nx1eh]

The "Prophet" Muhammad had similar "seizures" during his encounters with Gabriel...

[@user-kr8pt4iu6g]

No, it was not an embarrassment. It was a logical mistake. We all have made a mistake at some time in our life. Just be ready to die at any time with a completely clear conscience. Okay? Amen. ❤️🌈🙏

[@fish4191]

That was not a logical mistake at all! The Bible tells us that no man knows the second coming!!! Okay!! Amen!!

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

No No No No - A Blatant Sin. Jesus specifically told his disciples that NO ONE, not even Jesus, knew the date of the Second Coming, Only The Father ~~~~ So, naturally, Ellie becomes obsessed with The Date.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@rayray4192 Most Excellent Summation!

[@williamstroud1455]

Why does the 4th commandment begin with the word “Remember”? Exodus 20:11, the last sentence of the commandment says “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”, so we are to “remember” it because we are celebrating creation, God’s creation. Do we still need to celebrate creation? Of course. When did God create the Sabbath, before or after sin? Before sin…it is part of His perfect plan. When was the resurrection and is it important? It was Sunday and it was important. When was the crucifixion and was it important? It was Friday and it was important. Is there instruction anywhere in the Bible to worship on Friday or Sunday? Nowhere. God had it right from the beginning. God’s holy day is the 7th day Sabbath. Had He changed the day He certainly would have had it written in the Bible. He would not leave it to our imaginations. He would make it very clear to us. He at the end of His work, after resting on the Sabbath, the special day created for man, he, along with marriage between a man and a woman established the Sabbath. Since Eden the weekly cycle has continued uninterrupted for the last 6,000 years. That cycle goes - day 1, day 2, day 3, day 4, day 5, day 6, Sabbath then repeats. It has continued that way since creation. It is summarized in Genesis chapter 2. The same wording is used in a couple of other places in the Bible. Exodus chapter 20 where we are told why humanity is to worship specifically on the 7th day Sabbath, that being to give honor and worship to the Creator. We are told to “remember” the Sabbath specifically in honor of the Creator and to not forget to take rest from work and worship Him who created. Worship the Creator spoken of in Genesis 2. Another place similar wording is used is in Revelation 14 verses 6 & 7. Again it gives us a description of the creation from the beginning and it tells us to Worship Him who created. That’s what Sabbath is all about, worship. Who will you worship? God or the creation? When will you worship? On God’s Holy 7th day Sabbath, a day chosen by God for worship, the day He blessed and sanctified in Eden, or a day that was created by God as an ordinary day to do all your work? If you search the scriptures diligently you will see this connection between these passages I mentioned and the perpetuity of the 7th day Sabbath created by God in Eden. This is not so much for you c4s but for others who may actually be searching for truth and come across this comment. Why are you so concerned what the Bible teaches anyway? Catholics don’t follow the Bible but tradition. You believe catholic tradition trumps the plain “Thus Sayeth the Lord” found clearly written, if you ask the Holy Spirit to guide you and take the time to look for it, in God’s Holy Word, don’t you? Blessings to everyone as you study God’s Word.

[@epsyuma]

The Jews, during Jesus's lifetime, kept a lunar calendar. The full moon marked the 1st day of the new month. Count every 7 days and you have the Sabbath day, not Saturday. Saturday was a Roman day in honor of their pagan god Saturn (Saturn-day).

[@williamstroud1455]

@@epsyuma Astronomy is interesting, not too much but what we are concerned with is...What is Biblical. And what is Biblical is the 7 day cycle which was established in Eden, by God. In the Bible there is only one day given a name. Sabbath. The other days were referred to by numbers, except the 6th day is referred to once as "the preparation day". A day the people prepared for Sabbath. Thanks for the lesson in astronomy though emphysema.

[@epsyuma]

@@williamstroud1455 - Yes, well, just keep telling yourself how perfect you are.

[@healthypackages1802]

Someone's simping hard for Elly Welly.

[@trevorsimpson8788]

@@epsyuma Saturn -day starts at midnight...the Sabbath begins at sunset Friday.

[@jaco7675]

Ellen White was waaay ahead of her time. Never before did we know that there are people who inhabit Jupiter! They’re “tall and majestic beings”. Wow! We need to send more space probes, fast!

[@jaco7675]

I guess I missed the replies on this. This was the bull crap she sprung on Joseph Bates to get him on board to help underwrite their new cult (edit for spelling)

[@brmead3133]

I think your way ahead of yourself

[@runerdude141]

@@brmead3133 well, he’s got a point, I wanna see “majestic Jupiter people” too.

[@mariobethell3731]

​​@@jaco7675 Can a righteous man's death atone for anyone else according to the Bible (the Old Testament) that Jesus would have stuied himself? Let us see! Ezekiel 18:20-22 20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him. 21 But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die. 22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall live.

[@runerdude141]

@@mariobethell3731 your reply is completely non sequitur. What did that have to do with the current conversation/subject?

[@MrPanchoak]

While I am not Roman Catholic, They are NOT guilty of a law keeping form of Salvation. This is a common accusation and is absolutely false. They DO teach that salvation is cooperative between God and man. And they are well equipped to support that belief. But they are definitely not on any level like Adventism.

[@JohnShoots1776]

God alone hath immortality. Where does it say our soul is immortal?

[@icedragon1000]

Phil Johnson, you are confused. @ 39:45 you state that SDA teach "that Satan bears the sins of all redeemed people" This is simply not true. They teach that Satan is the originator of All sin and untimately will bear All of his OWN sins. since he caused them all he will bear them all. Satan is not an atonement for the sins of humanity. All beings must atone for sin either they bear it themselves or someone else bears it for them. Since Satan has no one to bear his sins, He bears is Sins by himself. Do you believe Satan has a sin bearer. yes, So Christ died for Satan. That is what you believe. NO Then you agree with he must bear his own sins. You need to take this out. It is a Lie.

[@treefellonya]

Great point, icedragon. If one believes that each individual bears his own sins, why is it such a leap to think the one who is responsible for all sin should not bear its punishment? But, I think that since each lost individual bears His own sin, and each Saved persons sin is in the sanctuary, by the blood of Christ, then at the end of time the final atonement, Satan bears His sin and the sins of the redeemed represented by the sins that are transferred to Azazel. If you think about it, this must be so because it isnt satans sins that are transferred. He already bears his own sins. SO, on that point, I think Phil is right.

[@ColleenTinker]

You should read the EGW quotes about this scapegoat subject and Satan bearing the sins as quoted in this article: blog.lifeassuranceministries.org/2020/06/25/who-is-your-scapegoat/

[@icedragon1000]

@@ColleenTinker there are EGW quotes that add to this and make it problematic. But that is because of EGW., not because of the Idea. Ellen White is the Real problem in SDAism, She and James Hijacked the SDA church and are the problem in every doctrinal issue.. Get Rid of EGW and All the problems disappear.

[@icedragon1000]

@@ColleenTinker I have since come to a new understanding of the scapegoat. Based on the text. Both goats represent Christ. Both goats must be pure. Both goats represent work. The first to sacrifice, the second the removal of sins at the end of days. This is why the day of atonement hasn't been completed. And why it's part of the Fall festivals. It starts in the first century and ends at the return of the Lord.

[@healthypackages1802]

A big HELL YEAH to you for putting up this video! A big HELL YEAH to my boy for making it! I hate Adventists! I grew up in the SDA religion. 8 years of SDA grade school and 4 years of SDA high school. Plus church stuff on weekends and even weekdays some times. I was third generation, with my Grandma as the main factor driving the mess. Everything in this video was and is truth. All SDA need to get out now.

[@moseswasonga5819]

Even if you hated someone's doctrine, why would you go so far as to analyse a potrait and say that she appeared as a typical 'cult' founder. I see malice and bias. We cannot judge one from a picture just as we cannot judge the heart.

[@davidfarr1976]

Hated someone’s doctrine? It seems like he’s making claims based on researching the topic. Do you have a counter for any statement he’s made about Ellen White?

[@sillygoose9666]

Egw plagiarism straight from Joseph Smith

[@jenwick8708]

It is clear from reading many comments on your presentation ( which is wonderful btw) that there are many who choose to reject truth, thus a spirit of darkness has come over them, and they believe the lie. They believe every blatant lie and destructive heresy that this messenger sent from Satan ever spoke. God bless you for at least trying to bring the light of truth to these ones.

[@leewinchell-wd6ro]

People have opinions and have a right to disagree and I guess that makes them followers of the LIE this guy is just explaining something and people need to discern for themselves so that's the beauty of it don't call other people false teachers and liars and whatever you think you need to do just to appease your own justification hear carry on with your stuff in your way and what you do and maybe you'll save somebody along the way without calling names

[@Paulprhansongmailcom]

I grew up around Adventists, my entire family on my Mom's side were Adventist's. My Mom was not a practicing Adventist and perhaps not saved either, so I wasn't quite submerged as the rest. Later years at 21 I did get saved and started going to Calvary Chapel sill studying the Bible at 73. I too thought that E.G was either demonically possessed or had demonic visitation based on the scripture, Gal.1:8-12. Going to Church on Sunday made me feel a little guilty at first, but studying scripture I found out it was just the devil making me feel guilty to put me back under the bondage of the Law. I have an Aunt who sent me the "Clear Word' Adventist Bible hoping to convert me. I found heretical teaching that would blow your mind adding and changing the Word of God. My question is: should I write her telling her the things I found wrong, or should I just leave it alone and let her believe what she wants thinking her being 93 and an Adventist that long would not change her mind?

[@ColleenTinker]

My response is this: if you have an aunt that needs the gospel, even if she thinks she has it, give it to her. Age does not stop the Lord from working in people. We once had a letter from a woman who said she was 90 years old. She said her son had read Romans with her, and praise the Lord, she was now free from Adventism and alive in Jesus. Age is not a limiting factor with God!

[@jerrys.8926]

"Clear Word' is not a Adventist bible, it is a ( paraphrase) never to be used as a study bible. Just so you know. kJV, NKJV, NIV. and so-on.

[@jackielumbley8922]

We are not surprise: that the very same thing you people said about Jesus White He was on earth. And if you do the green tree that, than I am sorry for the dry tree. This man is full of evil.

[@samsdad110]

I Appreciate Phil’s presentation since I never knew much about the seventh day Adventists, but is it me, or do a lot of preachers/pastors, including in the reformed community, need to do something about a gluttony problem when it comes to food as it’s pretty widespread yet is ignored.

[@chukku3871]

And Ellen White is the only spiritual leader I've seen who condemns this vice! i would suggest you read your books for yourself, asking God to protect you from error. you seem to be a seeker after truth, so Pray that the Lord leads you and judge for yourself. Don't be led away by these wolves in sheep's clothing.

[@Ronriko1]

@@chukku3871 LOL...we don't need her to condemn the vice...read Paul's Letters and this is already laid out in scripture and Holy Spirit convicts the world of sin. She is just a false prophet plain and simple.

[@johnzieba6442]

Read Hebrews 1:1-3 anyone who claims 2b a prophet after Christ is a false prophet

[@chukku3871]

@@johnzieba6442 Read 1 Thessalonians 5:20 Do not treat prophecies with contempt Read Hebrews 1:1-3 is not a license to ignore the prophets because: Amos 3:7 7 Surely the Lord God will do nothing, but he revealeth his secret unto his servants the prophets. And Ellen White NEVER claimed to be a prophet.

[@19818456]

@chukku3871 She did, indirectly and she loved it and called herself 'more than a prophet' and never protested when addressed as prophet. She was not as humble as was portrayed

[@JohnSmith-gy4qj]

If the health advice is is so bad how come they live so long and many studies have been done on them even apppearing in Time magazine.

[@ColleenTinker]

Sponsored Research. The same longevity benefits are found among any "middle class" group of people who do not smoke and do not get drunk. Mormons also have the same longevity benefits-and they eat meat.

[@mishelebadia7550]

Are there “unbiased” studies that can demonstrate this?

[@WashingtonKulon-zn5io]

They now become Ex simply because they found adventistism to have errors in their theology

[@Gocajoca]

Funny Have you ever read any of her Books? try a small one like Steps To Christ

[@LoCoWi]

Well, in Desire Of Ages, EGW wrote some unbiblical information. She wrote that Jesus had older brothers. This can't be true if Mary was a virgin at the time of Jesus' birth.

[@johnacord6224]

I've read it, it wasn't very good

[@Gocajoca]

@@LoCoWi OK did Jesus have a Half brother from Joseph? Perhaps

[@hotwax9376]

@@LoCoWi She says that they were Joseph's sons from a previous marriage, even though the Bible NEVER says that.

[@jaco7675]

@@hotwax9376 That’s a Catholic belief

[@bop-ya-good]

Are you worthy Adventist? Ellen says: All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life.... Eternal life is not just by faith alone grace alone, Its up to you to be shown to be worthy! Ellen taught you need to be worthy of Grace. Grace isnt a free gift. Righteousness is by doing! Paul describes Ellens righteousness here. Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Just as Adventists claim the law is binding they are required to be obedient to the law or lose their salvation. Who would call that the good news i dont know!

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

Yes, I’m snarky here ~~~ Have those infernal books been digitized yet?

[@bop-ya-good]

@cindiloowhoo1166 of course they are, and no error found in them according to the sda conference

[@moseswasonga5819]

I think this is biased analysis of this quote. Wherein does she say, you are worthy of grace? I see her saying the very opposite...that we cannot be "accounted worthy" (a phrase used by Christ Himself - Luke 20:35 ) not by our works but through repentance and faith in Christ's atoning blood. How is that different from Peter's Spirit-filled sermon on Pentecost: Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Is repentance a requirement? Yes. Is faith in Christ's atoning blood a requirement? Yes. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God. Where is this work-based religion in this quote?

[@bop-ya-good]

@@moseswasonga5819 Maaate, where is the error in my comment. is it"Ellen says: All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life...." or is it "Adventists claim the law is binding" Im just stating fact

[@bop-ya-good]

​@@moseswasonga5819 Hi, fair enough. I try not to bring bias to the table as I just want a fair understanding. Ellen has been given full prophetic authority and i respect that. Ellen says: All who have truly repented of sin, and by faith claimed the blood of Christ as their atoning sacrifice, have had pardon entered against their names in the books of heaven; as they have become partakers of the righteousness of Christ, and their characters are found to be in harmony with the law of God, their sins will be blotted out, and they themselves will be accounted worthy of eternal life.... she then goes into details of failing to truely repent mate! The Great Controversy, she wrote, “All who have ever taken upon themselves the name of Christ must pass its searching scrutiny… Sins that have not been repented of and forsaken will not be pardoned, and blotted out of the books of record, but will stand to witness against the sinner in the day of God… Words once spoken, deeds once done, can never be recalled. Angels have registered both the good and the evil. The mightiest conqueror upon the earth can not call back the record of even a single day. Our acts, our words, even our most secret motives, all have their weight in deciding our destiny for weal or woe. Though they may be forgotten by us, they will bear their testimony to justify or to condemn.” (The Great Controversy, 1940 edition, page 552). Have i got it right?

[@bop-ya-good]

Ellen White Taught that the poor sevy will be blotted out because of unconfessed sin!! As the books of record are opened in the judgment, the lives of all who have believed on Jesus come in review before God. Beginning with those who first lived upon the earth, our Advocate presents the cases of each successive generation, and closes with the living. Every name is mentioned, every case closely investigated. Names are accepted, names rejected. When any have sins remaining upon the books of record, unrepented of and unforgiven, their names will be blotted out of the book of life, and the record of their good deeds will be erased from the book of God's remembrance.... How many Adventists are now unsaved? Its hard to determine but many would not even know that they are blotted out! Whats equally sad is the poor soul could not be sure they are even saved! This is but one of the white lies foisted upon the adventist church.

[@moseswasonga5819]

What is your understanding of this text: Acts 3:19 Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins MAY be blotted out, WHEN the times of refreshing SHALL come from the presence of the Lord.

[@bop-ya-good]

@@moseswasonga5819 You got a comment on my comment before you pivot? I only wish to state sda church fact.

[@fredsimmons2793]

If Jesus entered the Most Holy in 1844,then why do Adventists protray him as wearing full priestly robes when the high priest on earth could only stand in God's presence if dressed in linen garments.Jesus was not a Levetical priest,not of the atomic bloodline.Even he could not have performed the earthly tabernacle duties if not of that bloodline.

[@jaco7675]

And Jesus was not a Levitical Priest; He was a Priest in the Order of Melchizedek.

[@jimcovell1067]

Now we're on parole

[@jaco7675]

@@jimcovell1067 I’m not on parole; I’m forgiven - and on my way to Heaven. 1 John 5:13: “These things I have written to you that … you may KNOW that you have eternal life ….”

[@19818456]

This was the great big lie on which Adventism stands

[@navion1946]

What if you found out that the system that led you to know and love YASHUA/Jesus Christ had some wrong things in it? Would you hate that system? What if you read the Bible and could easily see that the 7th day of the week IS the Sabbath, instituted by God not for Israel but for Himself and all mankind and that believers will keep the Sabbath throughout all eternity (Isaiah 66)? Would you quit observing it? What if you could see that the seven day week is a prophesy of Gods seven thousand year plan and that the last 1000 years are a Sabbath where Jesus Christ reigns with a rod of iron, would you quit observing the weekly Sabbath then? Then what if you had the maturity to keep from overreacting to Ellen Whites failures and calmly evaluate yourself and the Bible? Father in Heaven, please help us to learn about You, to be drawn to You, and to walk in brotherly love and unity until You make us perfect. Amen.

[@scalessnature987]

failing in even one prophesy fails the test of a true prophet. Prophets dont make mistakes when prophesying. If they do thats a sure tell sign they are not real prophets and the bible says to cast them out...

[@mattts777]

I'm not advocating either for or against her, but that's not quite true. Jonah preached that Ninevah would be destroyed in 40 days. We all know that didn't happen. Does that make him a false prophet? There are other examples as well. I'm honestly asking...@@scalessnature987

[@combat-coz]

I'm not any denomination, however, the Sabbath was never done away with, although it should never be pushed as a salvation issue. Trust in Christ and love Him to keep his Commandments is what the Sabbath is. Also, it was to cap the glorious creation of God with is biblical cosmology which has been perverted. We are to honor Him and His true creation on the Sabbath. The same force that perverted God's true creation, also perverted the rest day to be a Sunday. In the book of Acts, the apostles were still observing the Sabbath but met on the first day of the week.

[@rickhughson9296]

I left the adventist church when doctor walter ray wrote the white lie, And my ex brother-in-law, doctor Jerry Wiley. The system dean of the wall at u s a wrote the forward to it, He has has passed away with bone cancer. Ellen white husband was a 33rd degree Mason and Willie white was a 33rd degree. Mason and and on their graves side. They have an apolis or It looks like a pencil. In eighteen sixty ellen went to australia and she hired a thirty third degree mason to have him publish Her writings. He said I am leaving Mason Organization. Once you're in you cannot give out.

[@jimcovell1067]

😂

[@johnchitonge6507]

Not 200 but 2000 visions and dreams during her long service of 70yrs not as you putting in the false light misleading

[@michaelbelnavis6631]

This Ex-SDA is a fulfillment and example of those who walked away from the faith… 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

5 generations- I did not walk away, I ran for my very soul.

[@michaelbelnavis6631]

@@cindiloowhoo1166 5 generations don’t mean a thing unless you are walking with Christ the biblical Jesus to be exact. Romans 3:22 Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference: Galatians 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Revelation 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 19:10 And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. This is God’s Church ☝🏽

[@scalessnature987]

She failed with the great disappointment which a true prophet never should do. The bible does mention that if a prophets prophesy doesnt happen they are not of God @@michaelbelnavis6631

[@scalessnature987]

@Samuelxkls you're right. I'm sorry for my reaction and unnecessary words. I've been suffering from a lot of guilt in my life. Ice recently started having a relationship with Christ and I've been having to face myself and I've been very hurt and I lashed out. This is a lot and I'm sorry to mention a personal struggle but I have been humbled. We shouldn't argue the word but be willing to learn and reason together. Forgive me friends.

[@queenesther4142]

Walking away from the SDA church ⛪️ or walking away from false doctrins and a false prophet (E G W) doesn't mean walking away from Jesus Christ. Context is king when quoting scripture. Smh!

[@setapart1159]

Lots of EXCUSES in this comment section to NOT be obedient to Gods commandments

[@jimliley8850]

No excuses, Christian’s read, interpret and apply the scriptures differently than the false counterfeit Christian SDA denomination. They say they use the ‘Historical Grammatical Method‘ of interpretation but they don’t. Christianity by and large do. This means that what was given in the Old Testament has to be filtered through the finished work of Christ and the commands given in the New Testament. The primary three are to 1st BELIEVE (putting 100% of our faith and trust in Christ alone) 2nd is to love God and 3rd is to love our fellow man. Unless and until command one is accomplished (what the bible calls being born again) every other act of obedience (no matter how sincere) are as filthy rags.

[@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl]

@@jimliley8850 Actually, no they don't, the other denominations use what is called futurism of prophecy. They believe that all of Daniel and Revelation is future tense in interpretation, however, this belief didn't originate until the 1600s with a Jesuit Catholic Priest named Fransico Ribera. The Pope ordered Ribera, a Jesuit, to refute Martin Luther's teaching that the Catholic Church was the beast power of Daniel 7 and Revelation 13. Luther had been teaching that the Pope was anti-Christ, and the church was the beast power. Ribera took Daniel and Revelation and put a future twist on the prophetic message, he then trained his priest, and acolytes to go out and infiltrate this Protestant movement with this futurism teaching, now 400 years later the only church teaching the same thing Luther taught about the Papacy is the SDA Church. Your take on Matthew 22:37-40 is flawed because verse 40 states " On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets." Verses 37 includes love for God, as a definition love for God would fulfill the first 4 commandments including the Sabbath, in verse 38 we see love for our fellow man which would fulfill the last 6 commandments this is why Jesus said on these 2 commands hang the WHOLE LAW and the PROPHETS! considering John the Revelator was the last of the prophets and he states 3 different times that Jesus is coming back for a people who keep the commandments of God, and the last one says " Those who KEEP the COMMANDMENTS of GOD that they might have a RIGHT TO THE TREE OF LIFE and enter in through the gates of the city " The 10 commandments are never called or referred to as the Jews and the Sabbath was kept even before Mt. Sinai and the giving of the Commandmets. Moses was responsible for writing the Torah ( aka first 5 books ) In Genesis 26:5 he writes that Abraham was chosen because he kept the commandments, laws, and statutes of GOD! It should be plain enough for people to see that the Bible always refers to the commandments as GOD'S not ours or the Jews. Paul and John both state where there is no law there is no sin, and sin is the transgression of the Law. Before Abraham even people knew right from wrong, living a godly life such as Enoch, Noah, or any of the Patriarchs that followed God loved him so their lives were in accordance with his commandments even before they were handed down at Mt. Sinai. If this is not the case then how did Lucifer choose to rebel if there were no laws or commandments to govern heaven? What about Cain? God told Cain if thou doest well, will thou not be accepted? But if thou doest not well, sin lies at the door. Cain's heart was filled with anger against God and his brother and he knew that what he was about to do was wrong. What about Joseph? When tempted by Potiphar's wife he stated " How can I do this great wickedness in the sight of God! Joseph knew adultery was wrong even before any express command was given to tell him it was wrong. The commandments were inherently known in the hearts of men. The only thing that changed from the Old Covenant to the New is the location, they went from stone ( the letter of the law ) to the heart and mind of the believer ( the spirit of the law ) if a person is in the spirit of the law they will never break the letter of the law. This is why Enoch was considered ready for translation without seeing death.

[@mariobethell3731]

Which one of the adjectives below do you think does NOT describe you? Intellectual laziness: Having an attitude of mental laziness, and being too lazy to learn, study, or think Intellectual honesty: A commitment to honesty in your thinking and reasoning, even when it’s inconvenient and uncomfortable, and doesn’t suit you or your argument Intellectual dishonesty: “I refuse to be honest in my thinking and reasoning or to follow the evidence where it leads, and I don’t care if I’m being illogical or irrational” Willful ignorance: Consciously choosing to be ignorant of the facts. Being unwilling to listen and learn. Having the attitude: “I don’t know and I don’t want to know” Self-deception: “I’ll lie to myself and believe whatever I want to believe - regardless of whether it’s true or not because it makes me feel good”

[@lesleysigamoney4979]

Im a 7day Adventise,all the Mrs E.G.White rote in her books is true nd its a less light,the great light is the bible

[@FormerAdventist]

You don't need a flashlight when the sun is shining.

[@getuliofreitas809]

@@michaelreyes8182 Almost every cult of Christianity has the same origin. People who can barely read a book, nor understand his own history and culture. Come to the Bible to find out some hidden truth. When they find it, the discovery that nobody observe this truth so what they do? They found a new church, telling that nobody will be saved except those few enlighten.

[@indigatorveritatis8891]

@@7ashoBeam Cultists never answer, kid. There's ZERO chance you can defend the demonic e g white. You want to try?

[@nixluvsjesus]

Which Bible scripture says that we need a lesser light to lead us to the greater light? Please share the scripture? Jesus says that He is the Way, the Truth and the Life. Jesus is our way to the Father, but this false prophet blatantly claimed that she's the way to the greater light which is the Father! That is pure blasphemy and her followers cannot even see it! 😶 Wake up!

[@chukku3871]

@@FormerAdventist Yes but you need a flashlight when you're in darkness.

[@geoffdein2894]

You 7th day Adventists?…. Are you talkin to me? Are YOU talkin to ME? You’re not describing me. You are repeating your experience and living the disappointment. Poor chap

[@user-tc9ed2sn7s]

Sounds like an epileptic fit.

[@garretttekampe9564]

There are a lot of direct quotes here and a good understanding that people today do not have visions from God, nor are people today called to be prophets. With that said I'm curious what the SDA's response to this is since there is a lot of claims that Phil is wrong on so many things. I'm guessing its because there's a particular theological assumption being made that we do not agree on, such as visions. People like Ellen White who have claimed such things, render themselves not trustworthy with interpretation of scripture or a good source of teaching in general.

[@rafikijackson9892]

Phil one of your reasons made me think about Paul. Do you consider him as an democratic too! 1 Tes 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. You don’t know anything about Ellen G White.

[@remnantime3672]

At 1.53 she stopped breathing n spoke...wow that's exactly what happened to the prophet Daniel.. Daniel 10:17 For how can this servant of my lord talk with you, my lord? As for me, no strength remains in me now, nor is any breath left in me.”

[@williamstroud1455]

Interesting coincidence, eh?

[@hotwax9376]

That doesn't make her a true prophet because even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light (see 2 Corinthians 11: 14).

[@williamstroud1455]

@@hotwax9376 Neither does it make her a false prophet. Isaiah 8:20 "If they speak not according to this word it is because there is no light in them". Everything she has said agrees with and points to the Bible. She changes nothing, she adds nothing new, she speaks not against anything Biblical. She only magnifies it, only amplifies it, only clarifies. Steps to Christ and The Desire Of Ages are two good examples. What she says in The Great Controversy is also found in the pages of the Bible. It can be found through deep and prayerful study. I was skeptical too at first. Then as I investigated more closely I found her to be shining a light on God's Word, illuminating scripture, helping me to understand some difficult passages. Blessings to you as you prayerfully study God's Word.

[@hotwax9376]

@@williamstroud1455 No, not everything she says agrees with the Bible. She taught salvation by works, for example, while the Bible teaches salvation by faith: "The terms of salvation for every son and daughter of Adam are here outlined. It is plainly stated that the condition of gaining eternal life is obedience to the commandments of God." (Review and Herald, October 26, 1897) "Obedience to the law of ten commandments is the condition of salvation. This is God's positive requirement." (Review and Herald, May 3, 1898) "For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law." (Romans 3: 28) "But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works, since otherwise grace is no longer grace." (Romans 11: 6) "For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast." (Ephesians 2: 8-9)

[@williamstroud1455]

@@hotwax9376 I think a good question is - Has anyone ever been saved through their works? I am of the belief that everyone who has ever been saved has been saved by grace through faith. Galatians 2:16 “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” So no one is saved by keeping the law. Jesus said “If ye love me, keep my commandments.”. Matthew 7:16-20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” So commandment keeping is a sign that a person loves Christ, the fruit that shows us who a person is allied with, a sign of salvation. Not a means to salvation. If you read that whole article you will see she says “The ten commandments, Thou shalt and, Thou shalt not, are ten promises secured to us if we render obedience to the law governing the universe.” So, God promises us “Thou shalt have no other gods before me” and so on. He promises, “You will do and not do these things. Nowhere in the article you mentioned does she say “keep the commandments to be saved.” She says “The saved will keep the commandments”. Not to be saved but because they are saved. So she’s not advocating salvation by works but works due to salvation.

[@papflower610]

How many pour souls will listen to this and believe. How very sad that he is taking people down with him. Search the truth for yourselves and DO NOT rely on man 's interpretation. It'll get you burnt! Literally!!

[@Jaco3688]

I have searched the truth extensively, and he’s completely accurate.

[@alejandronoriega9811]

You are correct... just dont forget that EGW was also a man, follow your own advise please

[@ts508]

How many innocent souls are led astray by this false prophet, Ellen White. Very sad that people don't want to admit to the truth. It's hard to convince them they'd been fooled. I wonder how someone even a little brain will believe to what she'd said.

[@expandingknowledge8269]

Don't hold your breath waiting for someone that never existed.

[@Genebro422]

Whoops! All of the disciples of Jesus were Jewish! So why would they be worshipping on Sunday? This guy doesn't know is history.

[@Christ_Colony_Builder]

Because they went to the synagogue in n sabbath and met together on Sunday .

[@evanwindom3265]

The way she explains away being wrong about the door to salvation being closed is typical of this kind of group - especially the Jehovah's Witnesses. She "did hold" that it was one way, but when that wasn't tenable, she says "it has now been revealed" as if it was new information that she wasn't privy to previously. The JWs call it "new light". That has always left me with a question. EGW and the JWs always say that what they say is "the truth". Then, when corrections are made, it's still "the truth". How can both possibly be true?

[@evanwindom3265]

@@maranathasam I appreciate you taking the time to comment, but must admit I'm not grasping what point it is you're trying to make.

[@TheFaithofJesus-bk4wl]

You people know nothing about SDAdventism, you only know what you think you know through people like this guy. You don't actually study what we believe, you read but you don't study, and that's the problem! I was a Baptist before I was an SDA, did the same things this guy does, called her false, a plagiarist, and much more. After studying history, and the Bible, in comparison with what she wrote I became a SDA ALL OF YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG!

[@bop-ya-good]

Listen up, I'm spitting some truth that you need to hear About the Adventist doctrine, don't disappear It's all about the law, man, that's the main thing Investigative judgement, that's where you'll feel the sting SDA, Ellen G White, yeah, we're talking about their beliefs Law, investigative judgement, can you handle the grief? Unconfessed sin, it's a heavy weight on your back Better do the works, or you might just fall off track They say that sin won't rule you, but they ain't telling the whole truth If you don't confess, you'll find yourself in a tight booth And Ellen, she's their prophet, she's got a lot to say About how you should live your life, in a Godly way SDA, Ellen G White, yeah, we're talking about their beliefs Law, investigative judgement, can you handle the grief? Unconfessed sin, it's a heavy weight on your back Better do the works, or you might just fall off track It's all about the works, man, that's what they say But is it really fair, to judge you this way? You can try your best, but still fall short That's why we need grace, that's the support SDA, Ellen G White, yeah, we're talking about their beliefs Law, investigative judgement, can you handle the grief? Unconfessed sin, it's a heavy weight on your back Better do the works, or you might just fall off track So there you have it, the Adventist way of life Law, judgement, sin, and works, man, it's all a strife But hey, that's just my take, you do you, that's all I say Peace out.

[@johnacord6224]

You are being deceived. Please try to have an open mind, and read the Bible without their commentary. Read as though you are just starting, and try to pay attention.

[@bop-ya-good]

@@johnacord6224 wow, big accusation mate! So what did i say that is a deception exactly?

[@bop-ya-good]

@@johnacord6224 Adventists have a righteousness cobber. Paul describes it here. Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Ellen confirms this so I guess as She has prophetic authority over the church it must be true for you!

[@roimatamautairi7459]

SHE IS THE LESSER LIGHT LEADING TO THE BIGGER LIGHT POINTING TO JESUS AMEN

[@charlenegodbee1202]

You could say the same of Christ'S mother, Mary.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

@@charlenegodbee1202 Excellent! Except The Blessed Mother always leads one in the correct direction, Blessed Be!

[@aosigal8704]

No more canonized prophet or prophetess to prophesy news from LORD God The Almighty. It was closed until John of Revelation. Since John of Revelation until now is the fulfillment period. Like Saint Paul said in 1 Chor 13:8. Prophets and Prophetess only came from Israel line, other than that were false prophets and deceived prophecies.

[@graceplaceoutreachministri9041]

How I wish the Adventist who following online don't argue for the sake of arguing, but they listen to this truth and accept it.

[@withjesusministries9960]

As an SDA member, one who studied prayerfully about Ellen White, I understand why this man here got it that wrong. It's very simple, I understand why and I don't blame him, judge him or what. May the LORD through the holy spirit do His work in him and everyone listening.

[@expandingknowledge8269]

Just what a SDA Cult member would say, so sad.

[@levasedhonneur2615]

​@@michaelreyes8182Because so many are possessed by Ellen G White, Better to expose her lies and confusions, to save those who still have a portion of their spirit free from EGW Possession.

[@remnantime3672]

I'm an sda member also... This man just doesn't know...I don't blame him.

[@garretttekampe9564]

Can you explain something that was wrong in either of Phil Johnson's presentations and explain how this makes his argument invalid?

[@albusai]

Investigate judgement 😂🤣 a false doctrine trying to cover up a false prophecie

[@rasumidurais4145]

Hmmm attention to Ellen White rather than Jesus Christ!

[@rubenoeschger5728]

We need expose the works of darkness. ! All these followers of the cults and occult are lacking in Biblical knowledge and need to hear messages like these.

[@williamstroud1455]

@@rubenoeschger5728 We're lacking in Biblical knowledge? Regarding what? I'll compare my Biblical knowledge with yours any day.

[@milanterzic859]

When atheists read the Bible they see: Then all the men of his town are to stone him (the rebellious son) to death. Deuteronomy 21:21. They don't see: He who has the Son has life. He who does not have the Son of God does not have life. 1 John 5:12. The same principle applies to disgruntled Adventists and Ellen White.

[@Ace-bz2ie]

People that study not read but study scriptures discover a lot from it than those who read it. These dictionaries become problematic to those that just read and much worse to those that do not even read. There are many Adventist studied the Bible and the Bible alone that knew nothing about the Adventists let alone E.G. White writings. Who after studying the scriptures not only believed but embraced the Biblical doctrines that the Adventist movement believes and teach. Such individuals after such discoveries left their churches and worship on their own until they come across a person or article or something that will direct the to the fellowship of Adventist. To this guy such people are clearly directed by Satan to come to SDA and not by God given that to him SDA is a satanic movement. We should treat those people's testimonies as lies and instead believe him to be a true man of God. The truth about what to believe and or not is in the insults and abusive language he used and not the word of God which he said little or nothing about. Interesting.

[@user-is6su8vk6d]

Ther fourth command says, work SIX days, not FIVE, as the adventists do and they have the audacity to refer to the fourth commandment as the SEAL OF GOD.

[@chukku3871]

Where do you see Adventists working five days? Sunday is one of the busiest days in the week for Adventists. It's the day when all the work around the house and garden is done because the other five days they are working mainly outside the home. That's why we welcome the Sabbath rest so much.

[@skimpirefitness898]

You should learn to count from the first day of the week SUN-DAY

[@rafikijackson9892]

Do you even know that Sunday is the first day of the week ? Read Mathew 28:1- ( Catholic Bible) you will understand surely !

[@ChristopherCawthorne]

the sabbath is from Friday sunset to Saturday sunset.

[@bop-ya-good]

Adventists have a righteousness Paul describes it here. Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them. Ellen confirms this so I guess as She has prophetic authority over the church it must be true! Righteousness of doing!

[@jmichaelriley2494]

Read the whole chapter.

[@cindiloowhoo1166]

Y’all need to hitch up your campmeeting and move out from The Old Covenant and into The New. Jesus said: IT IS FINISHED. There were no Ands or Buts…

[@bop-ya-good]

@cindiloowhoo1166 I'm not in a covenant mate. I am saved by faith and grace, no covenant required!

[@moseswasonga5819]

First, we need to know the context. Many Jews were “going about to establish their own righteousness” (Rom. 10:3) and seeking “the righteousness which is of the law” (Rom. 10:5). But with the coming of the Messiah, the true way of righteousness was presented. Righteousness was offered to all who would fix their faith in Christ. He was the one to whom the ancient ceremonial system had pointed. Even if one includes in the definition of law here the Ten Commandments, this doesn’t mean that the Ten Commandments were done away with. The moral law points out our sins, our faults, our shortcomings, and thus leads us to our need of a Savior, our need of forgiveness, our need of righteousness, all of which are found only in Jesus. In that sense, Christ is the “end” of the law, in that the law leads us to Him and His righteousness. The Greek word for “end” here is teloes, which also can be translated “goal” or “purpose.” Christ is the final purpose of the law, in that the law is to lead us to Jesus. Adventists are grace-saved obedient subjects of Christ's new covenant just as those of the early church. They, both Jews and Gentile converts to Christianity kept the Sabbath commandment. Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. 44 And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. And if you think that was legalistic observance, you immediately learn that they were under grace. Acts 13:43 Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, PERSUADED THEM TO CONTINUE IN THE GRACE OF GOD. Notice they were already under God's grace while keeping the Sabbath. If the keeping of God's 10 commands (inclusive of the 4th command on Sabbath observance) was righteousness of the law...Paul would have told them as in all his other letters to RECEIVE grace...but they said CONTINUE. Grace does not contradict obedience. Obedience is the natural fruit of grace. Blessings.

[@moseswasonga5819]

​@@bop-ya-goodRead your Bible with a balanced mind...all who are in Christ, who are saved by grace through faith are under the new covenant ratified by Christ's blood shed on the cross. Matthew 26:28 For this is My blood of the NEW COVENANT, which is shed for many for the remission of sins. Romans 3:24 Being justified FREELY BY HIS GRACE through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Romans 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation THROUGH FAITH IN HIS BLOOD, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God. #Those justified freely by grace, have faith in that blood that was shed to establish the new covenant between themselves and God. Amen.

[@Ace-bz2ie]

As true Adventists we are not moved by this false image as well as misrepresentation. We will continue to teach as well as preach the truth in love, humility and meekness as Christ did.

[@garretttekampe9564]

Can you explain something that was wrong in either of Phil Johnson's presentations and explain how this makes his argument invalid?

[@Ace-bz2ie]

@@garretttekampe9564 I am one of those that have a problem with everything he says here. I can't respond to every thing because he makes it difficult for anyone to respond. He for an example made numerous quotes but provides no reference and this is because he does not want people to go read and find out that he lied. He refers to her as a self proclaimed prophetess for an example but provided no quotation where EGW claims to be a prophetess, the reason he would not is because she never ever called herself a prophetess never. He is lying. He claims that EGW lied about claiming that Jesus was to come in her life time and that she is now dead for years means she lied. If this is what makes her a liar it means Paul was also a liar because in 1Thessalonians 4: 17 believe that Jesus was to arrive whilst he was alive. It is also worth noting that throughout his talk not once did he quote the Bible, let alone open it to prove or support his arguments about EGW being a false prophetess. People need to accept his word because he has PHD. He presented nothing that I can say it is the truth that is worth following. If there is one will have to seaft through the abusing language, insults, anger and hatred directed at SDA and EGW to find it. Jesus in John 15:17 "If the world hates you, understand that it hated Me first". Some of us understand that is why we will not waste time on people like him.

[@Ace-bz2ie]

@@garretttekampe9564as Adventists we teach as well as preach our message with respect, humility and love. We never become angry and hateful to those who see things differently. No amount insults and hatred has never lead anyone to Jesus. We don't push anything but just expose God's people to what we believe to be the Bible truth and the Holy Spirit does the rest. The Bible and the Bible alone is enough. It is however worth mentioning that there are many that are in the Adventist Church after reading her EGW books which points them to the Bible truth nothing else.

[@garretttekampe9564]

@@Ace-bz2ie if someone was teaching a message other than the one Jesus and the apostles taught, but was nice about it, would that be a good thing? The content is the issue here. You misunderstand the tone of Phil Johnson. It's out of concern for the truth of the gospel which is not upheld by any egw book. The gataltians were not talked to with kind language by Paul, do you think Paul was being unloving when writing the book of Galatians? What Egw said we're God's truth were very close to what the book of Galatians was dealing with on the works of the law that were a different gospel all together. What do you say about that?

[@Ace-bz2ie]

@@garretttekampe9564 do you know that we feel the same about you that you are not upholding the Gospel but we do not insult no body but are patient. What gives him a right to act as if he is God. About Paul no where has he displayed anger, insults and hatred towards God's people no where you can't even compare this guyz knowledge of scriptures to that of Paul. A person that rejects God's law, the ten commandments to be specific rejects the very Jesus he claims to be about. The Bible is very clear about that. This guy is a clear heretic man including anyone else who believes what he teaches as well as preaches as being correct. This I can prove as I do everyday in this platform. What he teaches is contrary to what the Apostle taught nowhere have the taught people to not keep God's commandments. I challenged you to give me a verse and chapter where they taught people to be disobedient to God. There is no such thing in the entire Bible.

[@mariobethell3731]

Until christians realize that the Bible has contradictions, denominations will continue to rise, for the "Truth" depends on the narrative that one reads. For example, the Bible teaches that a child of God cannot sin. Of course l do not believe this, but it is written, nevertheless. 1 John 3:9 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. So, as you can see, Ellen White was not the only one uttering strange things!

[@martinduplooy259]

I know now this guy is talking rubbish because I found the Sabbath before anything else. The Sabbath is so many times repeated in the Bible and so clear that if you say it come from Ellen White it's a surething this man doesn't believe the prophets. To the law and to the testimony if they do not speak according to these words, it's because there is no light in them.

[@snoopster77]

@@7ashoBeam Phil Johnson is not a former Adventist. He was raised in the Methodist church before becoming a Baptist.

[@getuliofreitas809]

The problem is: the sabbath is never a commandment that was given to the Gentile. Almost all the Bible was written from the Jews to the Jews. We Gentiles are God's son because we receive the gift of adoption through Christ.

[@getuliofreitas809]

If you say the Sabbath is eternal as the ten commandments, you're saying that because Ellen say so.

[@martinduplooy259]

@@getuliofreitas809 no Isaiah the prophet prophesy it. You do not know your Bible.

[@martinduplooy259]

@@getuliofreitas809 Abraham's covenant still stand today. The Sabbath was not for the Jews as God said to Moses before he even gave the 10 commandments, Exo 16:25-28 KJV 25 And Moses said, Eat that to day; for to day is a sabbath unto the LORD: to day ye shall not find it in the field. 26 Six days ye shall gather it; but on the seventh day, which is the sabbath, in it there shall be none. 27 And it came to pass, that there went out some of the people on the seventh day for to gather, and they found none. 28 And the LORD said unto Moses, How long refuse ye to keep my commandments and my laws?

[@sandyazbill257]

I was raised Baptist. But I've studied most religions. In the Council of Laodicea 331 ad Constantine changed the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. In 335 ad. The first Pope changed the solemnity of Saturday to Sunday. That my friend is history, in Catholic books. I study the bible. Shame on you for demeaning any religion.

[@kantakunte9387]

Thank you for telling the truth.

[@johngreene8332]

Actually, Sunday worship began way before Constantine. Worship on Sunday began at the very beginning of the church. Seven weeks after the resurrection, the church was empowered by the Holy Spirit on Pentecost which is on a Sunday (Acts chapter 2). (Note that Pentecost is also known as the "Feast of Weeks". In Leviticus 23:15-16 this feast is established to be the day after the seventh Sabbath from the Feast of First Fruits.) In Acts 20:7 it is mentioned that believers gathered on the first day of the week to observe the Lord's Supper (breaking bread as it was called) while in 1 Corinthians 16:2 Paul mentions meeting on the first day of the week. Also, John mentions being in the Spirit on the Lord's Day (Revelation 1:10). Writings of the early church indicate that Sunday was the day of worship. The Didache states "But every Lord's Day gather yourselves together and break bread, and give thanksgiving after having confessed your transgressions." This was written around AD 70-100. Ignatius of Antioch stated that the Sabbath was no longer observed but that the church met on the Lord's Day (Letter to the Magnesians 9--ca AD 110). In the First Apology 67 (ca AD 155), Justin Martyr states that Sunday is the day of worship. Based on this, I conclude that the church was worshipping on Sunday well before Constantine. What Constantine did was to codify the practice. False religions should be called out as Paul did this. Moreover, Paul does rebuke legalism--see Galatians 4:9-11 for an example.

[@mrsh2610]

​@@johngreene8332 Amen

[@chukku3871]

​@@johngreene8332 May I correct you on a few points. 1. Pentecost is one of the feast days in the Mosaic law which pointed to Jesus. It is one of the ceremonial laws which were nailed to the cross. It's one of the sabbaths Paul was speaking about when he said, Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: Colossians 2:16 Those ceremonial sabbaths could fall on any day of the week and when they fell on the seventh day, which was and still is the Sabbath of the Lord, they were called "high days". When Jesus was crucified, that sabbath was the passover sabbath as well so it was a high day (see John 19:31). The ceremonial sabbath never superseded the seventh-day Sabbath. Today Pentecost is a moveable feast, because it's observed on the seventh Sunday after Easter. But Easter, being a pagan festival that's dependent on the movement of the moon, occurs at different times from one year to the next, whereas Jesus only died and resurrected once. 2. however carefully you read through Acts 2 you will not find Sunday. Neither will you find the first day of the week mentioned in relation to Pentecost. That's because it's not the day that's important in this Festival (as with all the religious festivals) but the time. Pentecost was to be celebrated seven weeks after the first fruits. Seven weeks after Jesus was resurrected and took a number of resurrected saints with Him to heaven as first fruits of the redeemed, the baptism of the Holy Spirit took place, at Pentecost. In the same way Jesus fulfilled every one of those ceremonial feasts by His life, death and resurrection, thereby making them no longer necessary. 3. Acts 20:7 makes no mention of believers observing the Lord's supper. It says: And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight. They came together to BREAK BREAD. This was not a special occasion because verse 46 tells us: And they, continuing DAILY with one accord in the temple, and BREAKING BREAD FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE, did eat their meat with gladness and singleness of heart, They DAILY and FROM HOUSE TO HOUSE broke bread. Were they observing the Lord's supper every day in each other's houses? Paul preached to them "upon the first day of the week". Remember that Biblically, the day starts at sunset, not at sunrise. In Genesis 1 we read And the evening and the morning were the first day. And the evening and the morning were the second day. etc. Paul was likely continuing a sabbath preaching into the new day, until midnight, because he was about to leave the next day. But even if he was preaching all day Sunday, it doesn't change the Sabbath to Sunday. Preaching doesn't sanctify a day. It doesn't make the first day holy. 4. 1 Corinthians 16:2 2 Upon the first day of the week let every one of you lay by him in store, as God hath prospered him, that there be no gatherings when I come. Yes Paul mentions the first day of the week. Since when does the mere mention of a day confer holiness upon it? Besides if this was now Sabbath, he would be telling them to break it, because he was telling them to work, collecting and storing provisions for him. He explains why he wanted them to do this. He didn't want to be delayed, having to wait while they collected the gifts they were sending to the brethren in need. And he chose the first day of the week because it was an ordinary day after the Sabbath. It had nothing do with worship.. 5. Yes, John was in the spirit on the Lord's day. But which is the Lord's day? Surely it must be the day the Lord claims as His Isaiah 58:13 13 If thou turn away thy foot from THE SABBATH, from doing thy pleasure on MY HOLY DAY; and call the sabbath a delight, THE HOLY OF THE LORD, HONOURABLE; and shalt honour him, not doing thine own ways, nor finding thine own pleasure, nor speaking thine own words:; Exodus 20:10 10 But THE SEVENTH DAY is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: Exodus 31:13 13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily MY SABBATHS ye shall keep: Leviticus 23:3 3 Six days shall work be done: but THE SEVENTH DAY IS THE SABBATH OF rest, an holy convocation; ye shall do no work therein: IT IS THE SABBATH OF THE LORD in all your dwellings. Ezekiel 20:12 12 Moreover also I gave them MY SABBATHS, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the Lord that sanctify them. Mark 2:28 King James Version 28 Therefore THE SON OF MAN IS LORD ALSO OF THE SABBATH. The Bible is full of instances of God claiming the Sabbath as His holy day. See how many times in He does so in Ezekiel 20 alone. And how many times does He say that the first day is His day? None. the fact is, John was in the spirit on Sabbath, and there's not a scrap of evidence to the contrary. 6. You quote a lot of men, all belonging to the institution which has tried to change the law of God. How about quoting God for a change. Remember what Jesus says Matthew 15:9 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men.

[@johngreene8332]

@@chukku3871 I am not saying that the Feast of Weeks is to be celebrated today. My point is that it is one of two feasts that are always start on Sunday as originally outlined in Leviticus 23:15-16.And you shall count for yourselves from the day after the Sabbath, from the day that you brought the sheaf of the wave offering: seven Sabbaths shall be completed. Count fifty days to the day after the seventh Sabbath; then you shall offer a new grain offering to the Lord." Unlike other feast in which a specific date is given like the 14th of Nissan for the Passover, it states the day after the seventh Sabbath and specifies 50 days. Counting 7 Sabbaths forces this always to be on Sunday. I don't care what some source you find says as the Scripture is plain here. Therefore, when the early church gathered on Pentecost and received the Holy Spirit it was on Sunday. The Scripture is too clear on this to be anything else. If I have time, I will answer your other points later.

[@treefellonya]

"I was shown in vision, and I still believe, that there was a shut door in 1844. All who saw the light of the first and second angels' messages and rejected that light, were left in darkness. *_And those who accepted it and received the Holy Spirit which attended the proclamation of the message from heaven, and who afterward renounced their faith and pronounced their experience a delusion, thereby rejected the Spirit of God, and it no longer pleaded with them._* This is because although the 2300 day prophecy and the cleansing of the sanctuary from Daniel was misunderstood to be Christs return to earth, but was actually Jesus entering the Sanctuary for the final phase. Just like the Jews misunderstood the prophecies of Jesus coming, yet they were attended with great light, so it was with the Great Disappointment. God was revealing to the world something initially misunderstood. However, the might of Gods Spirit was there, and people responded to that great light. THOSE people rejected any further message. THAT is what the shut door means. They basically rejected Gods wooing of His Spirit on their own hearts, rather than seeking Him. It is those people who are lost.

[@jmichaelriley2494]

Read the whole chapter.

[@freeinhabitant2422]

@@jmichaelriley2494 Doesn't change a thing, if we have basic reading comprehension skills.

[@vasilenedelcu9545]

You will see soon that she was from God But will be to late sheme of you

[@charnelallan7159]

Ur dillusional

[@nixluvsjesus]

Too late? Where in the Bible does it state that Ellen G. White (or the SDA church) is the Way, the Truth and the Life?? Please quote the scripture? Thanks🌸

[@charnelallan7159]

@@nixluvsjesus amen adventism is dillusional

[@williamstroud1455]

@@dirkfirkle73 Name one.

[@williamstroud1455]

@@charnelallan7159 You meant "Biblical". BTW, you might want to learn to use your spell checker.

[@EricHort-cx1jp]

There were errors in the Adventist Church. The revelations God gave EGW put these right. Some people would not accept what was shown to be error It takes humityy to accept that you have been wrong. Through the ministry of EGW we have light of a wonderful Savior who came to save us from sin and Satan's power and its terrible consequences eternal death. Please don't keep digging up these errors of people and tell people it is what Advenists believe today. People who believe in a savior that excuses condones and sanctions sin by wilful transgression to Gods law describes who is a cult or not. People who attack Adventists are attacking Gods law and in particular the 4th precept because obedience to GODS is inconvenient for them and they have lost their first love . As a messenger of God she did not want this gift. All prophets of God were ridiculed and persecuted and EGW is no different as is seen by the sarcasm and ridicule against her today . You could think she must have been a true prophet because she believed only what other Bible prophets taught.Please read Ezek 5:5-17. We have to be careful what we preach and teach about or suffer the consequences

[@healthypackages1802]

Man a lot of simping for EGW around here. Why don't you get a witch or a voodoo priest to put you in touch with her ghost? That way you could get the truth all the time.

[@williamstroud1455]

@@healthypackages1802 What is wrong with you m'dude, er whatever.

[@Kalista2105]

​@@williamstroud1455 Sda cult is what's wrong with everyone here

[@Paulprhansongmailcom]

In reply to your message to me saying the Clear Word is not Adventist: You could have fooled me, I know it's a paraphrase, I looked at several verses and clearly steers around the atoning blood, that some other atoning goes on in heaven (something called the investigative judgment). Annihilation is supported and the story of the rich man and Lazarus after they die says that Jesus made up the story which is not true, I don't believe that was just a parable, Jesus mentioned names so it is fact, Jesus would not lie, the KJV the only true version to me does not say that nor any other version that I checked, the book blatantly lied to support soul sleep after death something the Adventists believe. So much of it seems to support the Adventists teaching, look these up you will see what I mean. I wanted to burn the book, but I decided not to just to keep it around to compare their false gospel based on E.W. teaching. I grew up around this cult, some family members were Missionaries in other countries. I'm glad my Lord pulled me away from this false religion causing many to be in hell. I am saved by grace through faith a gift of God, and the atoning blood shed for me nothing else, not by works as the Adventists believe. Matthew 7:21-23 fits the Adventists perfectly. They believe doing their own works for salvation, Jesus will call that iniquity, and the twisted "investigative judgment" in heaven determines whether good works out weigh sin, is blatantly false, no such thing for the saved. At the judgment seat of Christ (bema) 1 Cor. 3:11-15 we will be judged for rewards not sin which was already taken care of on the cross by the full atoning redeeming blood. Again, Should I try and convince my 93 year old Adventist aunt I love who sent me the Clear Word which would probably do no good, or leave it alone? I may sound angry, I'm not, just speaking truth and saying things how they are. One other thing, E.W. thought the Sabbath was the most important Law to keep. It is not, Jesus replaced the Sabbath in the O.T. for Jews, for Jesus is our true rest from our own works for salvation (Ephesians 2:8,9, Matt. 11:28-30). We are longer under the bondage of the Law. I am a strong believer in the Pauline doctrine which is of Jesus Christ. 1 Cor. 15:1-4, rightly dividing the Word of truth.

[@Ms171167]

Amen!!