About the Cherokee language

[@JuLingo]

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[@Daniel_Brackley]

JuL, I enjoy your content very much but this goddamn ad =(.In the ad at the 3:40 monent on the screen we can see your(?) great-grandmother, who has on the right written in russian марфа петровна великий (marfa petrovna velikiy), марфа (marfa) is a name, петровна (petrovna) is obviously a patronym so великий (velikiy) should be the surname, right? Marfa is a woman so she should be великАЯ (velikaya) coz russian surnames (at least 99% of them) take gender-specific ending. Then it says born лукас великая (lukas velikaya) (here for some reason the feminine ending is used) and her father is петр лукас (petr lukas), so лукас (lukas) was his surname and then he decided to give his daughter a different surname - великая (velikaya) and then as a first name gave his daughter his own surname? wtf also on the left it's said that her husband is Timofey Veliki (who should have given marfa his surname) but on the right it's said that she is born 'lukas velikaya'. Also the husband on the right side is now petr romanovich velikiy not Timofey. What is that? Coincidence? Love and hate incestious story? Or the site is just bull****? P.S. The amount of children doesnt match as well =(

[@stefanmargraf7878]

Unfortunately you skipped your Cherokee outfit in your thumbnail for not to embarrasse some Karens. But i am sure the Cherokee would respect you as the Cree respected Xiaomanyc (kzbin.info/www/bejne/eXjMZopjnKxgrNU).

[@QuizmasterLaw]

I had long suspect you might be Slavic, though I have no idea which country, since your accent, which is pretty, is neither Russian nor Ukraininan. Your family names don't look Polish so I am still guessing Czech. Anyway you're videos are wonderful. I would love to see you and langfocus do a video together. Onondagan is probably the Iroquoian language with the largest number of current speakers, though perhaps I am mistaken and it is Mohawk. Here the Cayuga appear to have entirely assimilated linguistically speaking. I had thought the Huron to be Algonquian, apparently I am mistaken.

[@QuizmasterLaw]

Linguistic diversity arises due to isolation by geography, climate differentiation, and war. Proto world is very likely the case, as genetic studies show ancient humans were reduced to but a few 1000 at least twice and there appears to be a universal myth of one human language. I definitely find cognates between Chinese and European languages, and these are not false cognates or loan words. This is a massive lemma for becoming a polyglot.

[@Abeturk]

Su=water /水 (Suv)=fluent-flowing/Suvu>Sıvı=fluid, liquid/Suv-up=liquefied Suy-mak=to make it flow away /flow>movement=suîva=civa=جیوه=水銀>cyan=جان=人生>civan>cive>जीव Suv-mak=to make it flow on/upwards >suvamak=to plaster Süv-mek=to make it flow inwards >süv-er-i=cavalry Sür-mek=to make it flow ON something =~to drive/apply it on/spread it over (Su-arpa)>chorba>surppa=soup /Surup>şurup=syrup /Suruppat>şerbet=sorbet /Surab>şarap=wine /Surah>şıra=juice şire=milky Süp-mek=to make it flow outwards /Süp-ğur-mek>süpürmek=to sweep -mak/mek>umak/emek=aim/exertion (machine/mechanism) -al/el=~get via -et=~do/make -der=~set/provide -kur=~set up -en=own diameter/about oneself -eş=each mate/each other/together or altogether -la/le = ~present this way /show this shape Sermek=to make it flow in four directions =to spread it laying over somth Sarmak=to make it flow around somth =to wrap, to surround Saymak=to make it flow drop by drop /one by one from the mind =~to count, ~to deem (sayı=number >bilgisayar=computer) Söymek=to make it flow through > Söy-le-mek=to make sentences flow through the mind=~to say, to tell Sövmek=to say whatever's on own mind=swearing Sevmek=to make flow/pour from the mind to the heart >to love Süymek=to make it flow thinly (Süÿt> süt= दूध/ milk) Soymak=to make it flow over it/him/her (to peel, ~to strip )(soygan>soğan=onion) Soy-en-mak>soyunmak=to undress (Suy-ğur-mak)>sıyırmak=~skinning ,skimming Siymek=to make it flow downwards=to pee Siÿtik>sidik=urine Say-n-mak>sanmak=to pour from thought to the idea>to arrive at a guess Savmak=to make it pour outward/put forward/set forth >sav=assertion Sav-en-mak>savunmak=to defend /Sav-ğur-mak>savurmak=to strew it outward (into the void) Sav-eş-mak>savaşmak=to shed each other's blood >savaş=war Savuşmak=scatter altogether around >sıvışmak=~run away in fear Sağmak=to ensure it pours tightly >Sağanak=downpour >Sahan=somth to pour water Sağ-en-mak>sağınmak=to spill from thought into emotions> ~longing Sormak=to make it spill the inform inside/force him to tell Sekmek=to go (by forcing/hardly) over it forwards Sakmak=to get/keep/hold-back forcely or hardly (sekar=?) Sak-en-mak>sakınmak =to ponder hard/hold back/beware Sak-la-mak=keep back/hide it >sak-la-en-mak=saklanmak=hide oneself Soğmak=to penetrate (by force)> Soğurmak=make it penetrate forced inward= to suck in Sokmak=to put/take (by force) inward Sökmek=to take/force out from the inside(~unstitch/rip out) Sıkmak=to press (forcibly) from all sides=squeeze (Sıkı=tight) Sığmak=fit into hardly /Sığ-en-mak>sığınmak=take refuge in Sezmek=to keep it gently flow mentally =to sense, intuit Sızmak=to flow slightly =to ooze Süzmek=to make it lightly flow from top to bottom >to filter Suŋmak=to extend it forward, put before, present Süŋmek=to get expanded outwards /sünger=sponge Sıŋmak=to reach by stretching upward/forward Siŋmek=to shrink oneself by getting down or back (to lurk, hide out) Söŋmek=to get decreased by getting out or in oneself (fade out) Tan=the dawn /旦 Tanımak=to get the differences of =to recognize Tanınmak=tanı-en-mak=to be known/recognized Tanıtmak=tanı-et-mak=to make known/introduce Tanışmak=tanı-eş-mak=to get to know each other/meet for the first time Danışmak=to get inform through each other Tanılamak=tanı-la-mak=diagnose Tıŋı=the tune (timbre) /调 Tıŋ-mak=to react verbally >Tınlamak= ~to take into account/respond Tıŋı-la-mak=to get the sound out Tiŋi-le-mek=to get the sound in >Dinlemek=to listen/ 听 Tiŋ-mek=to get at the silence >Dinmek=to keep calm Denk=Sync>登克>~equal /a-thank*Deng-e=balance Thenğ-mek>Değmek=achieve a harmonious reaction/ to touch Thenğe-mek>Denemek=to try to get a harmonious response in return teğet=tangent /tenger>değer=sync level >worth /teng-yüz>deŋiz=sea eşdeğer=equivalent /eş diğerine denk=equal to each other Deng-en-mek>değinmek =to mention/touch upon Deng-eş-mek>değişmek =to turn into somth else equivalent /get altogether a change Deng-eş-der-mek>değiştirmek =to change it /exchange Çığ (chuw)=avalanche /雪崩 Çığ-ğur-mak =çığır-mak= ~to scream /read by shouting Çağırmak=to call /inviting /称呼 /邀请 Çığırı >Jigir >Şiir=Poetry /诗歌 Cığır-la-mak >Jırlamak >to squeal /shout with a shrill voice Çığırgı >Jırgı >Şarkı=Song / 曲子 Çiğ (chee)=uncooked, raw / 生 Çiğne-mek =to chew / 咀嚼 (Çiğnek) Çene=chin /下巴 Çiğ (chiu)= dew/ 汽 , 露 (çi’çek=flower/ çi’se=drizzle) Taş=the stone (portable rock)/大石头 Taşı-mak =to take (by moving) it >to carry Taşı-et-mak =Taşıtmak> to have it transported Taşı-en-mak =Taşınmak>to move oneself to a different place Kak-mak=to give direction (kak-qa-eun> kakgan=which one's directing>Kağan>Han) (Baş-khan>Başkan=president) Kak-der-mak>kaktırmak=~to set aside Kak-el-mak>kağılmak =to be oriented via /be fixed somewhere >kalmak= to stay Kakıluk-mak=to tend upward >kalkmak=to stand up /get up Kak-el-der-mak>kağıldırmak>to make it being steered away>kaldırmak=to remove Kak-en-mak>kağınmak=to be inclined>kanmak /ikna olmak=to ac-know-ledge it's so /be convinced Kak-en-der-mak>kağındırmak>kandırmak (ikna etmek)=~to trick (to persuade) Der-mek=to provide bringing them together to create an order /der-le-mek=to compile /deri=derm Dar-mak=to bring into a different order by disrupting the old >tarkan=conqueror /tarım=agriculture /tarla=arable field /taramak=to comb Dar-el-mak>darılmak=to be in a disturbed mood towards someone Dur-mak=to keep the same order /keep being, /survive /halt on (thoru>diri= alive) durabilir=durable /boğa-thor>bahadır=冒頓=survivor-victim> war veteran boğa=sacrificed by strangling >buga > buhag > pigah> 피해자> pig Dur-der-mak> durdurmak=~to stop /diri-el-mek>dirilmek= be revived Diremek=make to stand against /direnmek=resist /diretmek=insist (Tüz-mek) Dizmek=to keep it in the same order /the same line Dür-mek=to roll it into a roll /dürülmek=get rolled /dürüm=roll of bread (Tör-mek) Dörmek=to rotate it on its axis >to mix up Thöre-mek>türemek=become a new layout/form by coming together in the same medium (tür= kind /type) Thörük=order formed by coming together >Türk Töre=order established over time=tradition /torah=sacred order /tarih=history Thör-et-mek>türetmek=to create a new layout combining= to derive Thör-en-mek>dörünmek=to rotate oneself /turn by oneself Törünmek>törnmek>Dönmek=to turn oneself /döner=rotary /turna=flamingo Dön-der-mek>döndürmek=to turn something Dön-eş-mek>dönüşmek=turn (altogether) into something Dön-eş-der-mek>dönüştürmek=to convert /transform (Edh) Ez-mek=to thin something down by pressing over=to crush /run over (Edg) Eğ-mek=to turn something the other way or to a curved shape> to tilt it eğim =inclination Eğ-el-mek>eğilmek=to get being inclined /bend Eğ-et-mek>eğitmek=to educate Eğir-mek=to cause it another shape by spin it crosswise around itself > eğri=curve,awry >ağrı=crossways >uğru=~aspect of >doğru=true, right direction Evirmek= to make it return around itself or transform into another shape Çevirmek=turn into/encircle Devirmek =turn outer/overturn Eğir-al-mek>eğrilmek=to become a skew /be bended by Evir-al-mek>evrilmek=to get a transformation over time /evrim=evolution /devrim=revolution /evre=stage Uğra-mak>=to get (at) a place or a situation for a certain time=drop by/ stop by Uğra-eş-mak>uğraşmak=to drop by (altogether) each other for a certain time=to strive/deal with Uğra-et-mak>uğratmak=to put in a situation for a specific time Öğre-mek=to get an accumulation above a certain stage Öğre-en-mek=to get (at) a knowledge or info level at a certain time> öğrenmek=to learn Öğre-et-mek=to make somebody get (at) a knowledge or info level at a certain time=to teach Türkçe öğretiyorum =I’m teaching turkish İngilizce öğreniyorsun =You’re learning english Öğren-i-yor-u-sen (learn

[@watchyourlanguage3870]

This couldn’t have been better timed, I’m currently trying to learn Cherokee. Great video!

[@JuLingo]

That's great! Wishing you success with this challenging endeavour

[@alegendsock2581]

hope this'll be another language overview eventually, I wish you the best of luck

[@NathanBrooks-n7q]

Julie, I'm cherokee (well my grandmother was), thank you❤

[@lmarsh5407]

Forgive me if I assumed wrong about you but: I believe you should be able to call yourself Cherokee without minimizing it to only a grandparent. You have a claim to call yourself Cherokee without dividing yourself into small pieces. Even if it was your great grandmother. You have a right to inherit identities as you please. I am Canadian, German, and Palestinian. I struggled with these identities (people accept that I'm German but not Palestinian for some reason). But I'm learning to keep my claim to both heritage! From a Palestinian christian. Best of luck in your life

[@raifkolbjornson]

Thanks! In the day I spent a year or so trying to learn Cherokee; it was fun but doomed to failure. I don't regret a minute of it; very interesting. (And for anybody who complains about Slavic languages being difficult, well, NatAm languages set the bar a lot higher.)

[@gachi1297]

I think it depends a lot on the family, Mayan and Quechuan languages for example are pretty straightforward

[@abebrosiczki637]

​@gachi1297 Straightforward? Aren't they agglutinative? Gives me headache 😭😭

[@gachi1297]

@@abebrosiczki637 Well Quechuan is pretty agglutinative, but it’s extremely regular and words are always fully pronounced, without changes (compared for example to some Uto Aztecan languages like Nahuatl and Raramuri where vowels drop when certain suffixes are added, and in Raramuri there’s even vowel harmony). It also doesn’t have unique verbs for transitive/intransitive pairs or singular/plural pairs (for example in Raramuri, kowá means to eat-intransitive, chuhmí means to eat-transitive, and then ma means to run-singular, but hamá means to run-plural). As for Mayan languages, I think they’re considered agglutinative, but to a much lesser degree. It’s the same with Oto-Manguean languages. While you do have to deal with tones, verbs are not as complex and they rely more on auxiliary particles that indicate who performed the verb

[@DyirangYamadi]

​@gachi1297 a lack of documentation.

[@gachi1297]

@@abebrosiczki637 Quechuan languages on one hand are very regular and have almost no exceptions, they also have relatively simple phonology. I imagine that there are some parallels with Aymara. And then Mayan languages tend to have shorter words and while I believe a lot of them agglutinative, it’s to a much lesser degree than a lot of the languages in the region. The same can be said about Oto-Manguean languages, but those seem to have more complex tone systems. In general though, in Latin America, a lot of indigenous languages have large populations of speakers which also means more resources and opportunities to practice

[@johnw65]

Osiyo Julie, Thanks for sharing your knowledge in this video. Our great grandfather John McHugh, born in 1832, walked to Oklahoma from N Carolina when he was very young. He refused to sign the Dawes Role and only spoke Cherokee during his annual 2 weeks working in Tahlequah. My brother got his mother's Cherokee brown eyes. I enjoy the annual Labor Day Cherokee festival in Tahlequah.

[@JuLingo]

Thanks for sharing!

[@gerardmichaelburnsjr.]

I don't know if you are going to be mad at me, but my ancestors sold their land under the offer made a bit before the Trail of Tears, and received land in Arkansas and some money. Nonetheless, my family had ancestors on the reservation in Oklahoma when the census was made, so we count as , Cherokee, but also Choctaw and Chickasaw. I have first cousins on two reservations, but no one in my immediate family has ever visited either reservation.

[@johnw65]

@@gerardmichaelburnsjr. Why would I be angry because your family lucked out... Odd that you're next door in Arkansas but never visited your relatives in Oklahoma who were less fortunate than you

[@WerazotheLankster]

One little correction/clarification, you said the Eastern pronunciation of Cherokee was 'jaragi,' but the use of the R is from the exctinct dialect of Cherokee. Some people refer the the extinct dialect as Eastern (because of the original geographic distribution of the dialects), so it's an easy mistake to make and can technically be true, but no living speakers use the R. The J is also a western dialect feature (not sure about the extinct dialect). In modern Eastern Cherokee the word is 'tsalagi,' but the 'ts' is pronounced voiced, like 'dz'

[@WerazotheLankster]

Oh I'm gonna have so many comments (in a good way), I love Cherokee. Thanks for this video! So, you said they don't distinguish voiced and unvoiced consonants. This is 100% true, but voiced consonants do exist as allophones, like in the Tsalagi example above Also, another thing that distinguishes modern Eastern pronunciation is replacing S with Sh. Their word for 'hello' is 'oshiyo,' or more casually and commonly, just 'shiyo'

[@WerazotheLankster]

I should clarify, and will do so in a separate comment because algorithm, that I didn't mean the 'ts' is always pronounced voiced. It depends on where in the syllable it is and I think also consonants around it. For instance, the lady speaking in the second example is Eastern and you can hear a very clear unvoiced 'ts' in the one of the last few words she says. Her name is Myrtle Driver Johnson and she's an amazing woman doing a lot for her language and tribe. She was also the first person to make a purchase when her tribe opened a weed dispensary lol

[@WerazotheLankster]

The affix system Cherokee has is absolutely insane. It includes all the things you mentioned and more. There's a prefix that indicates movement away from the speaker. So the way you ask "where are you going?" is different different if the person is walking away from you versus someone who called and said they're in the car. Another example would be "I see him/her/them.' I don't know if it's the same prefix as before or a different one, but through a prefix you indicate if the person you see is facing you or not. There's a 'lateral' prefix that I believe is for indicating someone or something is beside you, but I haven't seen explicit confirmation of the meaning. The suffix for the past tense changes depending on whether or not you witnessed the event Around 20 or so verbs have a system of 5 or 6 infixes. Basically it's common verbs for handling objects (like give, pass) and the middle of the word changes depending on the category of of the object. The categories are alive, long/thin (pencils, brooms), flexible (rope, clothes), liquid (and containers), and indefinite, which is every else like food and books. They'll even use the wrong infix as a joke, like using the alive infix when referring to food someone cooked There's a metric fuck ton of subject and object pronouns depending on all the things you mentioned, as well as animacy and whether the verb is from set A or B. The 2 sets are normally explained as 'common/universal experiences' versus 'individual/unique experiences.' Personally I think there are at least a few that don't fit that distinction, but there are definitely cases where the Cherokee worldview doesn't line up with my own

[@WerazotheLankster]

About creating new words, building sentence words to describe the thing is the most common way and maybe the only one still used today, but it isn't the only one. (Fun fact, one of the words for 'computer' literally means 'the thing that makes you dumb') They can change the tones of a conceptually related word. The classic example is the words for 'cold' and 'hot.' When they needed words for 'north' and 'south' they changed the tones on 'cold' and 'hot' to make the respective new words. Then during the Civil War the word for 'north' was expanded to mean 'republican' and the same for 'south' and 'democrat,' though I haven't seen it explicitly stated the tones were changed again. Reduplication has also been used. I don't remember the word, but if you double the word for 'hole' it means 'ant lion' (look up ant lion holes on Google images if you don't know what they are) The last one I remember is onomatoepia. The word for 'goose' is 'sasa' because of how they hiss

[@katakana1]

@@WerazotheLankster Are they replacing S with Sh only before i, or is it universal?

[@haroldhughes1338]

thank you for this video. i am Cherokee and have always wanted to speak the language. i can only say my name in Cherokee. i don't live near a lot of Cherokee speakers. However i speak english, french, portuguese, spanish, hebrew, and german! love all your videos, Julie ciao!

[@JuLingo]

Wow you are a polyglot, amazing! I wish you to one day add Cherokee to your list of languages

[@lingandetyrox]

I speak Indian English, Hindi, Punjabi, Urdu, Punjabi (different dialect), British English, and three conlangs I made Humming Language, S Creole and Śūbikbāṣ

[@leoschultheiss659]

Julie, love watching your videos. From Bern, Switzerland. 🇨🇭

[@JuLingo]

Thanks for watching!

[@Naahuarem]

One of my favorite languages thanks

[@JuLingo]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@counterstriving]

Thanks!

[@johndavidnew]

I live in the cherokee nation(north eastern oklahoma). Its imtetesting to go to the Tahlequah area and see the sigm written in the cherokee syllabrary. My sons are part cherokee.

[@nypala]

Please do more indigenous languages, they're immensely interesting!

[@JuLingo]

Yes, very interesting and so under-researched

[@Arv4789]

13:35 hey that's my niece😅❤

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

I took one semester of Cherokee as an elective when I was a student at Northeastern State University in Tahlequah, Oklahoma (I was studying to become a high school social studies teacher). Tahlequah is the capital of the Cherokee Nation and has street signs written in English and Cherokee. Unfortunately I didn't retain much knowledge of the language and only remember two or three words now.

[@0super]

big fan of your videos Julie. I always learn a lot from your work, and am impressed by your ability as a polyglot. I especially love the episodes where endangered or dead languages are given the attention. Thank you!!

[@JuLingo]

Thank you so much! I really like researching on smaller languages myself since there's not that much information about them

[@MatthewTheWanderer]

The problem with the Trail of Tears isn't that they were sent to a terrible place (Oklahoma is actually just as good if not better than where they came from), it's that they were forced to do it against their will and by walking the entire way without proper equipment and clothing and supplies or even enough food. I drove from Oklahoma to Florida and back a few years ago, and it still took me several days each way and my journey was plagued by multiple problems. I couldn't imagine walking 1300 miles in the worst conditions!

[@davidhensley76]

Hot & flat Oklahoma is "just as good" as the temperate rainforest of western North Carolina where the Cherokee had lived for countless generations?

[@williambranch4283]

I have a little Cherokee. A distant ancestor was half-Cherokee, he fought for General Sam Houston at the Battle of San Jacinto in 1836.

[@samparkerSAM]

Hello from New Orleans Louisiana, my relatives apparently were early settlers in Texas. I have some memories of talking to my grandmother about her relatives helping to establish Galveston; they moved back to New Orleans. I remember hearing that Texas AM University has a building named Sibisa Hall after a relative.

[@thomaszaccone3960]

NO language should EVER be allowed to die out. First Nations languages should be recorded, saved and taught with Federal support. They are national treasures. Artistry of the mind and tongue.

[@m4rloncha]

Sadly this is not a race, but a constant Evolution. The same happens with Fashion, we don't dress like people around the 5th century, but that's bad? No really, we just selected what we liked and rejected what not. English speakers don't speak the same as their own people did hundreds of years ago, is that bad too? Also, not even in the same Language certain dialects will Fade out of use because younger generations prefer another one or evolve that same one. Recording a language will not be enough if the younger generations are not interested in that past culture and ways of living. For example Latin is a dead Language but still used in certain situations, is that wrong because nobody speak Latin in their home? No really either. I know, you can taught people with force, but then wouldn't that people get bad impressions or resentment towards that Dead language?

[@urotaion9879]

@@m4rlonchaI don’t think it’s the same bruv. It’s much more personal when your culture is forcibly removed from you by a bunch of sleazy Europeans from the continents to the East that reaped your continent of its diversity and beauty for the sake of Eurocentric Homogeny. Latin died because it split, and English simply evolved over time. Cherokee was unjustly slaughtered, this may be “natural”, but the fact is that we are humans capable of empathy and reasoning. Should have been anyway. If young Cherokees don’t want to learn Cherokee, that’s their choice, and no one should be forced to learn anything. That being said, our ancestors forced them to do something they don’t want to do, so… yeah.

[@stephenspackman5573]

@@m4rloncha I think there's a slight confusion here. Latin is not “dead”-French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian and Romanian are all dialects of Latin, and are widely spoken, not to mention that older forms of Latin are still read and written by large numbers of people as a secondary language. So that situation is very different from languages that have been suppressed or exterminated-and different again to languages that have succumbed because their speakers have all assimilated to other cultures. There's good scientific reason to want to preserve as many languages as possible in static form-through documentation, recording, preservation of texts and so on. There's good cultural reason to want to preserve traditions, including linguistic traditions, when they are of any use to their users. There's good moral reason to look hard at those processes of assimilation and to ask whether they are in any sense actually voluntary. And it's absolutely imperative that we abandon the assumption that there's something good or natural about xenophobia, or that it's remotely normal for humans to be restricted to a single language dictated by a central government. The vast majority of humans, now and historically, speak multiple languages, and that's a thing to be celebrated. It's good for mental health, it's good for social harmony, it's good for cognitive flexibility, it's a fount of art and culture, and it celebrates what it is to be human. As a vague template, I tend to support models such as teaching arts in relevant community languages and sciences in national languages (while allowing children the freedom to speak whatever they want in their own time), but flexibility is always beneficial.

[@gudetamaminiso513]

@@m4rloncha There's a big problem in your argument ! you tend to hide the fact that those languages were forcely erased by a colonizer who had no interest in keeping them ! Indeed some fashion fade and languages evolve, but mainly because the people who were practicing changed. As mentioned by someone else, latin has just little by little evolved. In the case of the cherokee, that's the other way around, the native speakers had no choice to be assimilated. They should have made the choice of which language they learn first. Their bad impression or resentment would exist about english. By the way, the cherokee is still spoken, so it's not dead.

[@m4rloncha]

​@@stephenspackman5573 Hello, I thought that the comment I made wouldn't make any discussion but here we go! Before continuing I'll also comment that I'm no expert in any of this topics. If I fail in somethingjust let me know below. 1) Living or Dead languages, what's the difference between them? That there's still someone speaking it? That there's still texts or documents that are written in that language or audio from acutal speakers? No. Because someone died that doesn't mean they are living, even if they are famous and he made a lot of books, interviews, series on media. We could also extrapolate this. Is this dead body decomposing living because their son is? Think about it, Half their DNA is from that dead body. That son has their parent still in their body. What I'm recolling is the Teseo's ship paradox. If you replace every wood from a ship and none of the originals are there, is it the same ship? Is Spanish Latin even though only 30~% of it it's actual Latin words and the other 70~% is French (Another completely different language with different grammatical rules and phonetics), Germanic languages, Greek and more? Or we could just say it's another language that derived from another? 2) Ultimately, we need to ask, what makes someone a "Native speaker" of a language? From the womb you start hearing and understanding the language of your mother and people around you. When you are born your parents will talk with you, maybe trying to learn or understand what they are trying to tell you. If you get a little bit older you may start speaking the language of your parents and communicating with others. If you get even older you could enter in a school and learn the basics of the language and the rules it implies. What's the end of it? An adult individual that their Mother tongue is X language. That means that the way that individual Thinks and Speak is that language I explained earlier. Does this happen with Latin though? Is someone good enough in Latin to speak fluently, have children with another individual with the same characteristics and do all the steps I've commented? I, and I repeat, I, don't doubt it, but it would be Very rare and will easily fade out after touching reality and speaking with other people that aren't those fluent speakers. Because maybe the "Losing your mother tongue" seems impossible for some of you, but it's actually a reality. If you don't use it, you lose it. It's as simple as that. What would happen if those parents die? With who will this individual speak fluently? For what purpose if the other people can't understand what they are saying? Latin is only taught to learn professionalisms, learn how to transcribe ancient texts or in interpret texts at loud with religious purposes. Most people when they return home they'll not keep speaking Latin, Vulgar, Classical or Church variants, they will speak their mother tongue. Usually a West European langauge like Romance languages. But I doubt that even the most fluent Latin priest will speak Latin in his daily basics. For example the eminence of the Christian Chatholic religion, the Pope speaks other languages and not Latin in their ceremonies and daily basics though he could easily restrict himself and only speak Latin. For example we have Native speakers of Esperanto, a Constructed Language. Meanwhile Latin a well taught and known language with a lot of documentation doesn't. I repeat, it's not because we have the information, data and resources, it's because people need Incentives and actual motivation to pass their language to their new generation. 3) What's a Dialect and how's that differentiated from a language? This is a very difficult question because it's not something we can simply define, it has a lot of factors. For example, an Idiolect is the way of talking for a certain individual. You know, you don't speak the same way as your parents. Then we have the Sociolect, the way a certain society speak. Then we have Ethnolect and so on until we get a Dialect. Dialect, the way of speaking for people on a certain Country. So yeah, French, Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Romanian, etc.. they could have been named dialects of the now extint Latin. But over time and specially after the Fall of the Roman Empire this gets way blurrier. Now that people weren't obligated to speak a certain language or to approach words in just a simple way they starting developing features in it's way of speak that changed what could be left of "Latin" and becoming Languages. How can someone tell if it's a Language or a Dialect? Simple, it needs to have at least all of these: Can you understand it? Is it similar enough in grammar and phonetics? Is it similar enough in vocabulary? If you can't understand it, the sounds and grammar + the words sound completely different or almost unintelligible then it is a language. If you can understand it, the grammar and phonetics are almost the same with few exceptions and the vocabulary is almost the same with new additions or different ways of approaching words then it's a dialect. But even if we try to follow this types of questions alone, this doesn't mean that Politically and Socially a way of speak from someone can be considered a different langauge because it wouldn't be seen well by society. This is the example of Arabic that most people wouldn't understand each other very well from Egypt, Morocco or Saudi Arabia but still they will say "Arabic" instead of a different language. 4) I didn't say anything about not preserving a language, even if it's dead. I actually agree in your points about it. What I mean is that people have Freedom to choose if you learn or not a language and even more freedom to give it to your children and keep legacy. If we haven't had protests and Latinification* movements it is because people didn't want to and think it is unnecesary. 5) And yeah, I also agree that Xenophobia, trying to force people into speaking in another language or literally forcing them to remove what could be left of that language in different types of media like books, dictionaries and more is Bad and shouldn't be something to celebrate. But once again... Sadly governments are an important aspect of society and no single government is perfect. Thanksfully we're living the Best moment in history to preserve data, information and even more. We can record, write in many different ways, store documents and even more safely and with a lot of resources for it for the major amount of humanity. Languages will still be dying due to globalism, but that doesn't mean we can't record the langauges, their traditions and cultures. So if you think Latin should be revived... Speak about! Make videos around the whooooole Internet, write books, make content outside, speak with people... But would someone here be brave enough to actually accomplish it and people accepting it? That's another question I would not rather answer...

[@dartharaneus67]

Native American languages sound so beautiful!

[@JuLingo]

I think so too!

[@Tempered-ue4vo]

Thanks, Julia. This report brought some memories. Back in 2003 on my visit to the US I went to Cherokee reservation in Tennessee, just across the border from NC. Went to Cherokee museum and had a long chat with the Chief - learned a lot about the genocide in that part of the world. It's amasing that after centuries of ethnic cleansing the language is still spoken.

[@JuLingo]

Yes, and hopefully the manage to preserve their language

[@royschmidt675]

Very enlightening ! Many thanks !❤️

[@JuLingo]

You are so welcome!

[@frankb1]

I grew up in Oklahoma and heard often about the Cherokee written language.

[@agilvntisgi]

As someone who has been learning the language for a few years now and is familiar with the linguistic literature, this is a surprisingly solid overview of the language. (The Internet is full of inaccurate information on the language, so it is nice to see a video that presents the language with correct information.) A few minor corrections: As I think another comment has mentioned the /r/ in Cherokee is from the extinct lower dialect, not the Eastern/North Carolina dialect. The word "aniyunwiya" is mispronounced. The word is often spelled that way due to a historical phonetic spelling convention among 19th century American linguists to use the letter to indicate nasalization of the vowel before it. In fact the word is ᎠᏂᏴᏫᏯ, or aniyvwiya, with the (or the historical spelling ) representing the sound [ʌ̃]. It is also worth noting that while this word was originally what the Cherokees called themselves, modern day Cherokees use the word to refer to Native Americans broadly. While the categorization of the Cherokee language into two dialects -- North Carolina and Oklahoma -- is often how the language is discussed, the reality is a bit more...complicated. Notably, North Carolina has a community of about 50 Cherokee speakers called Snowbird, who speak a dialect distinct from the rest of the Cherokees in North Carolina, with an admixture of traits from both North Carolina and Oklahoma Cherokee. This dialect is often left out of discussion simply because linguists have not actually studied it yet. Additionally, some Cherokee speakers have claimed that Oklahoma Cherokee could be split into as many as seven distinct dialects, though those proposed dialects, barring the occasional mention of unique characteristics in some communities like Stilwell, have not really been clearly identified and described. Overall, solid work! The Cherokee language is in need of attention. In fact, the 200 number you site for NC Cherokee, is outdated, I believe the EBCI very recently estimated the number to now be 150.

[@Artyom178]

Beautiful, kind and smart Julie!

[@bill8985]

I love your depth of research! So many (North and South) American native languages... so little time....

[@JuLingo]

Oh yes, and then you look how many languages there are in the rest of the world...

[@ema-idiomas-musica4111]

I can't help but think of Asian languages when listening to Cherokee being spoken. Sorry if I sound ignorant, but it reminds me of an interesting mix between Thai or Vietnamese and Japanese due to some linguistic features.

[@creo4033]

Agreed. Great similarities between Lakhota and Japanese for instance. No wonder, all native americans migrated from eastern asia.

[@michaelpettersson6028]

Also thought it sounded a bit like japanese 😮

[@cyancat8633]

The ironic thing about everything about that is it's actually Zuni is the one most familiar to japanese by lingustics

[@JuLingo]

Many people mentioned that in the comments, that's interesting

[@isabellamaria5632]

I’d love and appreciate if you did Apache next. Your content and information is wonderful!!

[@19erik74]

Which Apache language? She did covered Navajo which is an Apachean language

[@mjb7015]

I would love it if you could do a video about some of the Pama-Nyungan languages

[@JuLingo]

I'd like to do all languages one day

[@wncjan]

Great video. I have been interssted in the Cherokees and their history and language since my first visit to Cherokee, North Carolina in 2000

[@JuLingo]

Thank you!

[@mattcarnevali]

I really love your channel and all your videos! Please keep up the great work!

[@JuLingo]

Thank you! You all keep me going ❤️

[@Chegamarizard]

Love your videos on languages from the Americas its easy for some of us to forget that this continent has such diverse linguistics and cultural roots

[@JuLingo]

You are so right

[@davidpowell3709]

I have been fascinated by the Cherokee language for over 30 years, and still daydream of someday having the time to study it myself. In the early 1990s, I asked Wilma Mankiller about the Cherokee Nation's efforts to preserve the language, and those efforts were then in their infancy. I am happy to see Cherokee schools have been opened and Cherokee children are being taught it. I hope the internet helps people learn and preserve the language, as well.

[@JuLingo]

Glad you liked it!

[@AllanAngusADA]

Thanks much for this on Cherokee. Please look at Ojibway/Chippewa, great unishinabequay.

[@charleshulsey3103]

Great video. One tip; pay attention to sound quality, get rid of that echo.

[@counterstriving]

Wonderful video.

[@JuLingo]

Thank you very much!

[@lic.fernando140]

I'd love that you speak about archi language for its pronunciation (74-82 consonants and 26 vowels) and its grammar (22 cases and the verbs can have 1502839 forms).

[@JuLingo]

Caucasus languages can be crazy 🤯

[@ravindutheekshana2347]

I enjoy your content❤keep it up. Can you do a video about Sinhala language?

[@trimbaker1893]

You have a wonderful talent of language, I think you are really easy to like. thank you. George.

[@connordebruler3264]

Also, come on down to Cherokee, North Carolina. We've got a casino resort, an awesome museum, great bookstores, and a beautiful movie theater, and we're close to Asheville, North Carolina a fun mountain town with an amazing history. Come hang out with us. We also need tourism after the October Hurricane destroyed part of the city.

[@pedroarroyo345]

Another great one juli. Your commitment to quality over quantity is always an inspiration

[@JuLingo]

Thank you! You guys inspire me to keep going

[@OzinRoseCity]

Cherokee is very pleasing to the ear.

[@cupcakkeisaslayqueen]

I love the Cherokee language I wanted you to cover for a long time, one of my favorite languages, it's so interesting I love it so much and the writing is beautiful

[@JuLingo]

It definitely was very interesting to research it

[@teehee4096]

Great video. Thanks for spotlighting endangered languages, they need all the publicity they can get.

[@JuLingo]

Glad you enjoyed it! And yes, I agree, endangered languages should get more attention!

[@christianemrys2115]

Love your channel and the focus on obscure and rare languages. Is there any chance you would consider making a video discussing the Romani language somewhere down the line? It's a very interesting topic that I don't see many people talk about, and is often difficult to track down a lot of information about it for non-native speakers.

[@jozsefszabo7839]

Thank you so much❤❤❤

[@icenarsin5283]

You are wonderful

[@samwyz69]

I have inherited about 2% Cherokee and proud of it. So this was very interesting!

[@robinhoodhere]

The way you speak😍 and your obsession to know about history is the same as mine❤

[@jeffbreezee]

I'm 20% Chickasaw-Choctaw..I didn't know about it until four years ago.

[@WalterSmekens]

Bedankt

[@JuLingo]

Thank you!

[@tonyharmon8512]

I have family records dating to 1710 in the Carolinas listing a Cherokee 2nd wife (nothing new under the sun) to a German Lutheran farmer. His daughters were provider with a milk cow or a sow as dowery and his sons with sections of land. He also made sure to provide his Cherokee wife with a section of land to provide for her. His eldest son also had two wives one being Cherokee. My family history also includes Creek and probably Osage though that is currently unproven. Our history records our migration from the Carolinas into Georgia and ultimately into NE Arkansas and Oklahoma during the time of the Trail of Tears where hundreds of family members now reside. My grandparents were born up to 130 years ago in the late 1800's so as you might guess I am also no longer young but I am fascinated with the idea of learning the language.

[@pierreabbat6157]

Last year's surveyors' conference was in Cherokee and two Cherokee surveyors were there, one of whom was at this year's conference. I challenged them to do a survey in Cherokee and compose a vocabulary of surveying terms in Cherokee. I've done surveys in Spanish.

[@ManicEightBall]

Great video!

[@JuLingo]

Thanks!

[@objective4]

What an interesting and curious language. It sounds like a record or voice played backwards.

[@JuLingo]

Yeah sounds like nothing else out there

[@cinemanuggets24]

We're all rooting for the success of the Cherokee language preservation efforts 🙏🏾

[@gaufrid1956]

Adding prefixes and suffixes to a root word which is often verb based sounds familiar to me. This happens in Cebuano and Tagalog, and other languages, in the Philippines. With pronouns too, there is a distinction between inclusive and exclusive versions. If I talk to my wife in Cebuano about "our house", I will say "atong balay". If I talk to someone else who doesn't live there, and is not family, I will say "among balay". Filipino languages also have no genders, or distinction between animate and inanimate. My wife's tribal language, Higaonon Binukid, still has many native speakers here in Northern Mindanao, mostly in Bukidnon province, and around Cagayan de Oro City area. That's where we live. She has taught me some of her language. Let's hope that the Cherokee people can save their language. Madakul hu salamat hu ikaw, Julija! ("Thank you very much, Julija!" In Higaonon Binukid).

[@FloGrown863]

Good show young lady. Y'all take care over yonder. :-) I've traced my Dads family back to 1740 in Charleston S.C. and a place called Ninety Six S.C. circa 1745. Migrated to Alabama in the 1800's.

[@ayadalhilo]

Not only the wonderful information I am addicted to, it's your eyes!

[@GyvonJante]

You have such a fascinating grasp of communication! If I may ask, how many languages do you yourself speak? Or have you already covered your own history and interests on languages in another video?

[@JuLingo]

I did a QnA video about me some time ago, I talk about how many languages I speak, though now couple of years passed and I've added Portuguese to my arsenal

[@connordebruler3264]

Thank you, you know the LangFocus guy was really rude when I asked if he would do a video on Cherokee. I appreciate it. I am not Cherokee, but I live in an area of the US where it is spoken,

[@mikecaetano]

The giant redwood trees of the Sierra Nevada mountain range of California are named after Sequoyah. These trees grow to an average height of 50-85 m with trunk diameters ranging from 6-8 m. Giant sequoias are among the oldest living organisms on Earth. The oldest known giant sequoia is 3,200-3,266 years old.

[@samparkerSAM]

I'm very proud of the Cherokee Accomplishments! At the end of the Civil War a Cherokee Chief wrote the surrender papers, I share the same name. Ely Samuel Parker ♥️

[@mikeb8613]

Dawes rolls are lists of people who were approved for tribal membership in the Five Civilized Tribes: Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole. The Dawes Rolls were created by the Dawes Commission, which was authorized by Congress in 1893 to carry out the General Allotment Act of 1887. The Commission accepted applications from 1898 to 1907, and a few more people were accepted in 1914. The rolls include over 101,000 names. The Dawes Rolls can be used to trace ancestry to one of the Five Civilized Tribes. The rolls include information such as the enrollee's name, sex, blood degree, and census card number. The census card may contain additional information, such as birth and death certificates, marriage licenses, and correspondence.

[@aleksandravacarro9771]

Another good episode!

[@JuLingo]

Thank you!

[@brn7939]

cherokee is really an interesting language great video. would love to see you explore mayan languages specifically K’iche’ as it is the most spoken one.

[@JuLingo]

Thank you! And yes, will definitely do a video about Mayan languages for sure

[@threesixnine369six]

The woman speaking at 13:47 - 14:04 sounds to me like someone speaking a very strange accent of Finnish and then throws in a bit of even stranger Danish (but just her, not the other speakers) Cherokee looks really cool and sounds soft and beautiful 💖

[@JuLingo]

Wow that's a very interesting comparison

[@csilveryi]

'Osiyo' means welcome in Korean, Nice to meet you from S.Korea (:

[@Mohammedtoufiz]

Hello can you do a video on Fiji Baat

[@JuLingo]

The aim is to do all languages one day

[@Mohammedtoufiz]

@@JuLingo but will you do it

[@nishanthpeters1395]

I don't live in an area where cherokee is prominent..the most prominent tribes in mn are lakota and.ojibwe. however we have a large population of hmong, an indigenous group.from SE Asia, and I cant.help.bur feel.that the sound of.the cherokee language is giving me strong hmong.vibes.

[@Heavilymoderated]

I want to learn Hopi and Navajo/Diné. The latter seems incredibly difficult, though.

[@JuLingo]

At least there is a Duolingo course for Navajo, you can start with that

[@tedgemberling2359]

Interesting that you mentioned that the Cherokees allied with the Confederacy. I lived in Wichita, Kansas for a few years. The Wichita Indians are a people who were actually native to Oklahoma, unlike the Cherokees. When they found out the Cherokees decided to ally with the Confederacy, they were frightened by that and asked the national government to let them move up to Union territory. That's how Wichita got its name. After the war they moved back to Oklahoma, and they still live in their ancestral lands in the southwestern part of the state.

[@JuLingo]

That's interesting, thanks for sharing!

[@esalehtismaki]

To me it sounds like a mix of Chinese and Japanese, being tonal like Chinese and having small number of syllables like Japanese. I wonder if they have common roots?

[@aresaurelian]

Reminds me of Sapmi languages in Northernmost Europe. Maybe do an investigation into Swedish and Finnish Sami people and their languages.

[@JuLingo]

I actually have a video about Sami languages, check it out!

[@doodlebug1820]

great job. My grandparents generation talked about getting punished in school for speaking Native language in Oklahoma.

[@DrTHC]

Tlinglit! 🙏

[@jan_kisan]

14:25 i think it sounds a lot like Danish mixed with sth else)) really interesting

[@JuLingo]

That's interesting, someone else mentioned Danish too

[@vantaivas]

Kā būtu kādreiz uzņemt video par lībiešu valodu. Būtu interesanti.

[@JuLingo]

Mans mērķis ir uzņemt video par visām valodām (iekļaujot lībiešu)!

[@Andrewtr6]

It took this guy 12 year to invent a writing system? Fantasy writers do that shit in a month (most of that time is spent procrastinating). I'm writing a fantasy story, and it only took me two weeks to come up with 10 characters- after I procrastinated for over a year. I still need more symbols and to assign phonemes to them. However, each letter for my lexigraph has deeper meaning to it than just representing a phoneme. Each symbol represents something specific too. I know I want around 40 letters to better represent the English phonetic alphabet. I just haven't decided what each letter should represent. But if it took this guy 12 years, he must have been a worse procrastinator than me! I considered making my lexigraph a syllabary since I was learning Japanese at the time, which is a syllabary, but decided individual letter would keep the number of symbols more manageable. 85 symbols sounds like the opposite!? That's even more than Hiragana!

[@JuLingo]

Well you know already what is a writing system and you are familiar with different variants - an alphabet, a syllabary, maybe some other options. Sequoiah didn't know how a writing system works so he had to figure everything out from zero, and first he was even trying to develop a hieroglyphic system. So it's not the same.

[@SantaFe19484]

It would be nice to see their language revived, but unfortunately there are other hindrances most notably the fact that speaking English will make it easier to communicate with the outside world and move to different places. I would like to see a video of one of the Canadian First Nation languages.

[@JuLingo]

It is difficult for them because English is so powerful but let's see if they manage, that would be a great example for other dying languages. And of course the plan is to do more American language videos in the future

[@GPCTM]

One race, one language, one planet.

[@idkybutwutever]

Something that minority groups should understand is that in order for young people to speak a language, they have to have contact with it. There are minority languages in parts of the word whose members write books, make youtube videos, sing songs etc and those languages are thriving even if the ethnic group is small in number. If your community uses the internet, yall gotta put stuff up in your language. Theres gotta be some kind of way to interact with the language. I wanted to learn some american indian languages but couldnt barely find a single youtube video, old movie, song, book or anything in the language, even in the most widely spoken languages.

[@JuLingo]

Interesting

[@larrya3989]

❤❤

[@pablodelsegundo9502]

That fig blouse is adorable!

[@JuLingo]

Thanks

[@benj.bloomgren3680]

I've been lurking on your channel but your shit scares me too much, especially being that I have an eight-year-old nephew. How do I inform myself and get 12:42 involved?

[@torrawel]

"I have gone shopping " is actually not such an simple sentence at all😂 In a lot of other European languages for example, there is no good equivalent to the continuous -ing form and when there is, it's used quite differently. In Dutch for example, the closest to English (if we don't count good old Frisian), it's very hard to translate this sentence literally. "Ik ben gaan winkelen" (i am go to shop) is probably how I would translate it, but literal translation sounds incredibly archaic : "Ik ben winkelend(e) gegaan" & makes no sense in modern Dutch. Also, it's not really true that these are simple words that don't change or don't have suffixes. Have seems unchanged, but the infinitive marker "to" is not there anymore. Gone has an ending (-NE) which is one of the many irregular endings for the perfectum in English (a remnant of Germanic -N that is always the ending for irregular verbs in Dutch and German. The bizarre English spelling however requires a silent E as well... More problematic is that this N sound often disappeared in English like in DRUNK, BECOME, SUNG). Finally of course that -ING ending after the noun shop (plus extra P in the writing). Nope... English isn't that analytic at all and definitely not that simple 😂😂

[@erasamus1057]

what is the most absorbent material you can think of?

[@charlesvanderhoog7056]

Just like the North-African native languages, I am stunned by the extreme complexity of the Cherokee languages. Apparently, languages evolve into simpler and easier to understand systems.

[@neatchipops3428]

Someone knows what happened to the "lost colonists" of Roanoke.

[@ixtlankauldeva180]

Assuming that you're still taking polls for future videos, I respectfully vote for the Mayan languages, the Guarani language, the Berber languages, the Arabic language, the Turkish language, the Malay language, the Yiddish language, the Tungusic languages, the Kamchatka languages, the Niger-Congolese language family, the Ladino language, and the disputed Altaic language family.

[@JuLingo]

Well I'm definitely interested in all of these so hopefully soon

[@TDVL]

Sounds like something from South East Asia.

[@taimurmuhammad3848]

Kindly make a vedio about pashto language

[@JuLingo]

One day for sure

[@taimurmuhammad3848]

Thanks I will be waiting for it

[@shaneoseasnain9730]

Some of the sounds and the pattern of intonation reminded me of Irish

[@JuLingo]

That's interesting. What kinds of sounds and patterns?

[@demzholie]

Can you make a video about Turkish too?

[@historyhayden]

Could you do an Algonquian language next? (preferably Blackfoot)

[@JuLingo]

One day for sure

[@donsena2013]

Cherokee seems very likely to be an *agglutinative* language, as are also Japanese, Korean, Turkish and (standard) Indonesian, among still others

[@Kouroshyousefi]

Dourod br shoma julie .افرین دختر که به بیشتر زبانها مهارت دارید شما نابغه هستی .از ایران. 🎉

[@JuLingo]

خیلی ممنون

[@BCHIDATMA]

Please, I request you to make a video on world's sweetest language Bangla or Bengali.

[@JuLingo]

One day

[@SuperMewKittyKatGaming]

ooh is like michael jackson "annie are you cherokee are cherokee annie"

[@SeattleSoulFan]

Does anyone know why Sequoyah created a syllabary rather than an alphabet?

[@JuLingo]

Maybe he didn't think about it, after all he wasn't familiar with the concept of an alphabet

[@user-ahmed-53]

please do a video about Arabic it would be great from you