6 Overrated VS 6 Underrated Watches - Rolex, Omega, Tudor, Patek

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We rank watches and watch brands according to which watches we think are overrated and underrated.
#rolex #omega #tudor

[@martinboulden4388]

The production and content of this show just gets better and better. It just shows how exciting and interesting it is educating us on all these alternative watches and brands and not constantly talking ceramic Rolex. Keep up the great work and shout out to Marcus. ❤ (PS - Sorry Andrew but I would never ever wear a Hublot - Never !)

[@marcusflack1523]

HEYYYYY martin, thanks for the shout out. Yes indeed this is a labor of love and so its great to read comments like yours. Thanks for watching my man!!!

[@anthonyjackson31]

Swiss watch gang wears and talks about his love for Hublot hahah. He’s a crazy good watch KZbinr 👍🏼 I don’t hate Hublot. Some of their watches are sweet!

[@FireBlade57]

@@anthonyjackson31 To be honest he has the only Hublot that I would wear. But it is limited to 100 pieces or something...

[@bamfordwatchdepartment3470]

Marcus is a Wizard 🧙

[@Sam_D]

In my view, High Accuracy Quartz watches are underrated af, whether it's GS or Citizen Chronomaster or even Longines VHP. I have to agree with Adrian on CW being underrated, they make high quality watches with a price that's reasonable and that's a gem in this market. Also If you can't buy a Rolex, then it is overrated, for sure, I have to agree with George and Andrew on this matter. Thank you guys for another great episode, this was kinda like the Top Gear cool wall that we asked for and as always you guys delivered. Keep up the good work and good luck. Your fan from Iran, Sam ✌🏼

[@marcusflack1523]

I think there is something to be said for Quartz as well. FOr some reason I wanna explore more of whats out there in a good way ya know. Acuracy is awesome.

[@DXPetti]

Great call on high tier quartz being underrated 🤟

[@HRM.H]

Credor HAQ watches are the best value on the market, fight me. Recently picked up a NOS Credor GCAZ009 for only 197 USD. (Retailed for 1600 usd excl. tax four years ago)

[@Sam_D]

@@HRM.H that's nice 👍🏼 enjoy it

[@HRM.H]

@@Sam_D thanks !! Ive been wearing it everyday since i got it. Hasnt even gained a second in three months. Next will be a GS 9F diver or GS 8J56.

[@kevinbutler1968]

Maybe you could do another episode but with categories "over priced, priced and under priced ".

[@marcusflack1523]

AHhh interrsting. That puts a new spin on things.

[@nycmaverick]

And insert pictures of the watches for us idiots.

[@danb1523]

Best episode so far. Adrian went awesome with the Christopher Ward and then destroyed all credibility with the Explorer lol. Keep it up guys!

[@Casualcollector2024]

Would also be my comment:)! 👏🤣👍

[@marcusflack1523]

OUCH....adrian come man pick up your game

[@999bcc66]

To me, Hublot can be its own worst enemy. Their marketing, whether intentional or not seems to lean more towards the bling rather than the substance. Andrew listed innovations that should be at the forefront of their marketing along with the unique styles they create.

[@thatguy6111]

TGV and Mark from Long Island watch addressed loving Hublot three weeks ago and I must admit I was sold on giving the brand another look.

[@999bcc66]

@@thatguy6111 After listening to what Andrew had to say, I will look a bit deeper into Hublot.

[@BarkandJack]

“Hublot can be its own worst enemy” - this is so true. The product itself isn’t “bad”, it’s how it’s positioned and that’s hublot’s fault. I think this can also be said for Bremont. Bremont the watch is actually really complex and decent. Bremont the brand often says the wrong things and misplaces the product.

[@georgebamford]

totally agree

[@izzieeats8108]

​@Adrian Barker agreed, Bremont have such potential and hopefully they will become a better regarded watch... Out of curiosity, where would you place Bremont, Under rated, Rated or Overated? I would say the Martin Baker watch is underrated.....

[@chrisrouse3673]

I’ve bought and sold around six Christopher Ward’s over the years, and they sit very nicely alongside my ‘luxury’ pieces. Glad to see them getting some love!

[@SuperWhofan1]

Before I found this podcast I was done with watches. I consumed too much watch content and became frustrated with the brands and their AD’s. You 3 amigos have brought back the fun of watches and are addressing some real concerns. Keep doing what you do. Love it!

[@superdario2425]

Spot on.

[@AboutEffingTime]

✊🏼✊🏼

[@marcusflack1523]

Woop woop. 🎉🎉🎉

[@alexhamilton2710]

Great video guys! I genuinely look forward to these videos! I have just purchased my first serious watch and couldn’t be prouder of my BB 58. Keep inspiring and keep the videos up guys!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Great to hear ✊🏼✊🏼

[@marcusflack1523]

Ahhh thats awesome. Thats a keeper!

[@christianmontesi5375]

GREAT show. Regarding the Underrated category…I was surprised no one added GO’s SeaQ Panorama Date. Adrian had a fantastic video on this line. The dials are stunning, the 100 hour power reserve is top-notch, 300m depth rating and (most important for folks > 50) arguably the easiest to see the actual time! Looking forward to more shows!

[@ChristianBremmer]

I missed Adrian's recommendation for the perfect starter watch - but feel encouraged by what he said about Christopher Ward. I got both my sons a Christopher Ward on their 16th birthday to get them started on their watch journey - the C63 Sealander GMT and the Triton Pro 600. As an underrated brand - Certina. I just bought the re-issue DS Super PH500 - which is in a way my perfect birth year watch (March 1969) - as this was the watch used underwater from Feb. to April 1969 at Tektite I.

[@marcusflack1523]

So awesome that you started your boys off on thier watch journey like that. Man I wish my Dad did something like that.

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Christopher Ward is killing it with their light catcher case! I have the Sandhurst and it is as good as the Tudor Ranger at 1/3 the price

[@dBsdecibels]

It's like an episode just for me! I have a Polar Exp II, I have an Aqua Terra, and I have a Chris Ward Bel Canto (second round) on order! Some thoughts: My first nice watch was an Aqua Terra. I still have it and I love it. But I completely agree. It always bothered me that it was more expensive than the SMP 300. I bought it anyway because it was my favorite between the two. Best guess I can come up with for the price difference is A) it has a slightly better movement 8900 vs 8800, and B) the SMP 300 is most people's gateway into Omega. They want it to be an incredible value proposition compared to the Submariner and are willing to sacrifice some margin for it to be the gateway watch for the brand.

[@notenoughtime7274]

Great entertaining video and debate. Love the channel. Some interesting call outs . I completely AGREE with : 1/George on IWC Ingenieur (under rated and hope to see it come back 2023) 2/Adrian on the Omega Aqua Terra. Lovely watch but it is over priced relative to the Diver 300 or Rolex OP. I also agree that Christopher Ward is great value. 3/Andrew on the Tudor Pelagius and Ranger (both over rated, agree with comment on the hands), as well as on Hublot (I agree it doesn’t deserve the unequivocal bashing). Andrew is the voice of reason! However IMHO the ‘rated’ categories conflate quality, originality, retail value, and obtainability/2nd hand value. Richard Mille and (at times) Hublot are high on originality but over priced at retail. Over priced but not over rated. The Daytona is high quality and reasonable price at retail…but excess demand has inflated the 2nd hand price. The new Patek Nautilus is low on originality but it’s still a beautiful high quality finished watch, just unobtainable and unaffordable. I wouldn’t say either are over rated or over priced at retail just poor value 2nd hand. The opposite to the Aqua Terra But If over rated = out of all proportion demand (+therefore 2nd hand price) then the best example is for specific dial variations. Eg the turquoise Rolex OP or Tiffany Nautilus.

[@marcusflack1523]

Man I completely see where your going with this. And I agree wouldn’t it just be so awesome if IWC did drop the ingenieur in the future. Would be like a Christmas present for all.

[@t.m.7375]

Concerning Hublot, I agree with all three. But Andrew, especially, made a very good point, by bringing up the achievements and contributions that Hublot made to the watch industry. Sadly, the vast majority of "influencers" and/or "watch experts" focus exclusively on the negatives, because it's popular to hate that brand in particular and because it brings the views. Many people used to like Hublot, but then just followed the herd once Nico started blasting them. Many models are (horribly) overpriced, but the brand and their watches are not all bad.

[@FireBlade57]

Hublot was hated long before Nico or Adrian had a KZbin channel.

[@luisosuna8943]

Many models are (horribly) overpriced -- I will say all of them are overpriced, some horribly overpriced. That's the main hate but the design is mostly nice

[@pilotstyle123]

I agree, give some props to Hublot, it must not undo the deserved criticism for brutal overpricing on the lower end models, a brand can do great and bad things at the same time. Also Hublot, in spirit, is comparable to Cartier. For the bread and butter models they are all about design design design and movement finishing and quality is secondary. For their high end models they practice genuine original high end watchmaking.

[@marcusflack1523]

Ahhhh nice comparrison with Cartier. YEah they both keep reaching for new things which is what I like about both those brands. At least they are prepared to dare to break the rules.

[@rafeedhassan2351]

How can you compare Hublot with Cartier? Cartier have a really rich history they were the first to create the modern day wrist watch for men (the history of the Santos) Hublot have nothing of that ilk anywhere in their history or catalogue, the issue with Hublot is their ridiculous price point which is completely unjustified, Cartier can claim (right or wrongly) their prices because if their rich history which Hublot do not have, now if you don't have history you can innovate and justify your prices that way (Richard Mille). If Hublot watches were priced correctly I don’t think they would get any hate.

[@justinyancey9571]

love the episode. Love the content. Side note: anyone know where to get Andrews long sleeve shirt or brand? Just curious, TIA

[@AboutEffingTime]

Uniqlo denim shirt 👌🏻

[@sacdubro]

I like the Ranger for what it is with it's brushed finish and unassuming presence. It doesn't command attention to its self. I'm not a watch expert or collector. I am a "grown as man" well over 60+yrs old that went into a Tudor boutique while on a business trip to Tokyo which is some thing I can't do in NorCal. The experience was first rate. The sales team allowed me to try on multiple models and the Ranger was my choice. In addition, with the exchange rate JPY to USD along with no sales tax made the purchase experience even better. Well done Tudor with your product selection and AD boutiques.

[@leodare101]

Love the show as always guys. Refreshingly lacking any of the handbags that are flying around the KZbin watch community at the moment, bravo 🤘🏼

[@marcusflack1523]

HA handbags.....Im laughing but I dont really know why.

[@AKsourdough]

Gotta say it: I love my Tudor Ranger -it isn’t pretty, refined, or glamorous, but it holds up under the stress of a more outdoorsy lifestyle. Solid movement, okay lume, highly legible, and the accuracy is spot on. Throw the t-fit clasp in there, and it’s a great, all-weather beater.

[@watchchimp3102]

I agree! My 41mm Tradition really impresses me with its "boringness" 🙃 One thing that amazes me (and I'm not sure how they do it), is although it's not a thick watch, when you look through that boxed crystal the dial just seems to have so much depth. It's just incredibly legible. I have 3 Tudors now and they all just have this quality in the hand, when I first picked them up, like "Oh, this is really well made"

[@richardmorris7063]

Its understated but rugged handsome. Welcome to the Tudor family. Just got a Tudor BB Panda myself, just blingy enough.

[@richardwarren2024]

Wonderful job again, guys. You make the hobby more interesting and exciting by breaking through hype watch discussions only. Possible topic - when is it the right time to consolidate upwards, and is there ever a good reason to sell and replace with lesser watches?

[@marcusflack1523]

Great shout for a topic thats really good to think on hmmmmmm

[@richardwarren2024]

@@marcusflack1523 George, Andrew and Adrian would have excellent commentary on this question.

[@justinyancey9571]

This commentary and banter is why I look forward to the weekly videos. You guys knocked it out of the park. I hope this is a regular weekly thing and not just "new season" kinda thing.

[@georgebamford]

thank you so much

[@PaulKaiser42]

I put hublot and Richard Mille in the same category of watches I would never wear but have and are doing things no one else is. Great show as always fellas…..keep them coming!!

[@jonathanhouse3886]

How do I get hold of the bamford g shock t shirt George is wearing? Love the show. Thanks for keeping me entertained during a very hard time.

[@AboutEffingTime]

You’ll have to ask GB - but we did it for Australian G Shock launch 🚀

[@steelsteez6118]

53:39 This is why I love Andrew. Dude just always makes sense! Unfiltered and genuine all the time!

[@Octofrosh]

Great episode again! Any plans for a joined event for the upcoming Watches & Wonders?

[@marcusflack1523]

Well we are def all going and we have many surprizes up our sleaves. Stay tuned indeed.

[@Octofrosh]

@@marcusflack1523 Looking forward to it :)

[@ricardosime2654]

So agree with Adrian about the Aqua Terra. They priced themselves out from selling more of those then they do.

[@marcusflack1523]

Adrians very smart like that

[@RegginaldRiglet]

Happy to have found this channel. All you lads are well informed, opinionated, and most importantly, fun to watch. Subscribed for the ride boys

[@AboutEffingTime]

Giddy up !

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Best rated is the BB58 Blue!!!! The hype has died down and it will be a classic solid watch at a reasonable price point.

[@VivekSingh-hy1dk]

big fan of your show. Thank you for all this information and entertainment. I have a question though, are the wall clocks real watches with mechanical movements? if yes where can we buy them? a wrist watch cost so much so I wonder if they are affordable or not! Thanks and cheers

[@marcusflack1523]

They are def not mechanical. And most come direct from the brands so not sure how accessible that are. We will try to work on that one.

[@alexanderkoller2863]

the Aquaterra has the same movement as the Planet Ocean with 2 barrels and quick adjustment for the hour. The Seamaster has a simpler movement.

[@lammargy]

Andrew, I used to have an Explorer 39mm Mark I - I gifted it to my son for a birthday or graduation, maybe both, I do not really remember, though it’s not that long ago. I tried on the new 36mm Explorer, way too small on my wrist. Impossible to get an Ex 39mm Mark II at a somehow decent price, so I went for a Ranger. I’ve been hesitating for quite some time before I bought it - when I finally went to the dealer, I held the Ranger, the BB58 blue and the black one in hands, and I got the Ranger - it took me no longer than half a second to make up a decision. It was meant to be a “replacement” for that Ex I, but of course it wasn’t, still isn’t and will never, ever be! The Ex is so much more refined and versatile, so many levels above the Tudor, which in my eyes is a very chunky and heavy watch to wear. But still, the Ranger, in the metal, in the real life, is a really nice watch. And Andrew, yes, I am a grown-up person - maybe the reason why I do not wear it very often… (-; Something else, I actually do like Hublot watches as well, but the basic ones. And I like it, when you get angry at the other two guys, when you hold back not to explode!! You are an awesome bunch of chappies!

[@thatguy6111]

I have the CW63 shown and it’s everything you want for the money and then some. The best part of it is how slim it is. My auqaterra feels inches thick compared to the 63 and they look and do the exact same thing.

[@FRST2012]

Not sure if I should be more bothered by where you put Hublot or the SavageX advert that popped up below the comments. 😂. Great episode and nice to hear the team not being talked over when making their point. Have to agree on the Aqua Terra, the current pricing is 🧐compared to the Seamaster 300, but the latter is too big for my tastes, make one at 40mm and I would be interested.

[@amargnwalkr]

Marko (Swiss Watch Gang) owns a Hublot. In fact, he wore to Nico's house when he interviewed him. That's nuts for you.

[@JohnK9315]

Can you please have an episode where you can also talk about wall clocks in the background? Love those things! Would love to get some for my home office too!

[@GeeMood]

I love the Chopard L.U.C. Pro One Diver, truly underrated in the world of dive watches. Containing the In-house Chopard L.U.C movement caliber 4.96 micro-rotor movement. Great video content!

[@HRM.H]

Chopard is so underrated. Im personally eying the Chopard L.U.C. sport 2000. Incredible watches for the money.

[@georgebamford]

same

[@yojimbo21]

Genuine, considered and authentic conversation. The only thing holding this channel back is the attention span of our modern society.

[@AboutEffingTime]

Damn that’s almost too kind 💥🥊

[@nathantaylor7936]

"I've been talking about this brand alot"....Tag Heuer..."F*** off" - classic

[@racebannon2332]

The Tudor Pelagos blue is an absolute classic and fantastic tool watch. I do prefer my Pelagos 39 as I believe it’s the submariner in Titanium. I sold my 41 Cermit & no date Subs and do not miss them. I believe my Sea Dwellers 16600 & 116600 are far superior & more iconic in esthetic & size.

[@darranwatson1840]

I’ve got a 2002 16600 and to be honest there is just more going on it’s more exciting to wear and just feels. Like a proper tool watch not bling or fancy just cool

[@vitoy147]

Every week keeps getting better, loved this way of rating them. To Andrew, was recently in a cruiseship with Hublot shop. Definitely liked some of their watches. I think pricing is a bit high entry-ish level and more “normal” sizes should be offered, and maybe not that much hate

[@marcusflack1523]

Indeed sait it welll indeed. A cruizship with Hublots huh. Nice one

[@vitoy147]

@@marcusflack1523 haha yes, it had Cartier, Omega, Bvlgari, Tag and Longines stores (Royal Caribbean Cruises). Plus they did a cool watch meet in the store with scotch tasting

[@FRST2012]

Great shout on Christopher Ward being underrated. Quite often they don’t make it into watch discussions. CW have made such an impact, not only do they produce great watches that continue to be refined, they also produce them in a variety of case sizes (all 20mm lug width) to cater for all.

[@marcusflack1523]

I gotta. Heck these out. Hmmmmm

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Some of their watches have 2mm which is also a great size no silly 19, 21 mm to deal with

[@matthewjohnson647]

Love this video, Gents! Great choices and debate. 2 years ago I bought a C63 Elite and I love it. Well the crown slices my fingers, but it’s a small price for such a beautiful watch!

[@marcusflack1523]

OUCH. slices your fingers how?

[@matthewjohnson647]

The thinnest crown I’ve ever seen. The C63 Elite has a push in crown. Super thin ugh.

[@jonpitchertattooer]

I do agree with Andrew about first for hublot. Rolex touts all kinds of first but then so do other brands. So why is it not OK for the first to be a credit to hublot. So yes Andrew I whole heartedly agree with your choices. Besides the pelagos and ranger but that's another thing. RESPECT to you all. I love this channel and these videos. I'd rather love watches for the sake of being what they are. Not for the hype. And may I add. Adrian is wearing my favorite seiko 5 that I've ever seen. And I can't leave George out. I'm still waiting to get a Bamford edition watch. Ugh. I want one so bad.

[@marcusflack1523]

Wow thanks heaps for your kind words Jon. Makes a difference to our energy levels for sure to read stuff like this.

[@gsrossco]

This is without a doubt the best watch channel that I have come across. Cheers Jacque Cousteau (Mariana Trench) But seriously, it is excellent.

[@jxp3632]

Hublot is modern pop art in a watch form. This is so apparent when you step in their stores where they usually decorate the entire store with colourful paintings and fun shapes. It’s actually a blast to go in and see their watches that are made into incredible case shapes and with materials. As a guy who enjoys jewelries as much as I do watches, hublot is in a unique spot. I think, however, their watches that are (usually) less than 10k, have poor competitive market value compared to other brands that offer “bang for a buck” watches.

[@ianmedium]

Andrew, I agree with you on both Hublot and Chopard and funnily enough both brands boutiques are almost next door to each other here in Vienna. Hublots window always draws me with its watches made with different materials, they have a similar expensive sparkle like my Grand Seiko has and that sparkle is one of the things that makes a watch an event. As for Chopard, for me it’s old money, quiet class not only in their watches but also their ethical stance. Always a pleasure to look at.

[@marcusflack1523]

Chopard just kills me every time. They are AWESOME

[@joshantrobus1394]

I’m turning 30 this year and wanting to buy a first serious watch, with budget being tight Christopher ward c63 is top of the list.

[@WestCoastAce27]

Congrats. If you want to stick w UK microbrands, chk out Farer too. I have the Maze II GMT on a Milanese bracelet. Very nice.

[@garythomas3150]

Get it. It’s an awesome watch. I recommend getting on bracelet, and then getting a leather or rubber strap to go with it too.

[@infinity2x0]

Christopher Ward? I own 5 of their watches across 3 ranges, and they're all bloody lovely. Adrian is right, CW's quality is tops, especially for the price. They're one to watch. Glad to see they're getting some love.

[@donaldneo4317]

I agree with Andrew that over the years Hublot have made some amazing achievements with the use of materials but I think the hate started right at the start of the brand when they bring out the Classic Fusion with an ETA/Sellita movement in a RO/Nautilus style case with an overprice MSRP for a brand with no history/heritage. As for the Pelagos, I think its an under rated watch among the general public and over rated watch among enthusiast. I had the Pelagos LHD but sold it due to misaligned bezel and rattling endlinks at the lugs. I sent in to RSC and when it came back, the bezel was better but still slightly misaligned and the staff at RSC actually told me the endlinks were within tolerance and my bezel is actually much better than most of the Pelagos that was sent in... she explained that the bezel insert and bezel cannot be detached and therefore they can't remove the bezel insert to align it perfectly... The Tudor Ranger is definately over rated, its a very ugly watch IMO...

[@GuyVanderAa]

Oris is very underrated, but most for me is Nomos. Then again so is JLC, or perhaps not underrated but ignored too much. 😎

[@marcusflack1523]

Yeh I think your right re JLC ignored a little. But it feels like a sleeper hit becuase of that.

[@combolife]

Guys, very entertaining, good talking points, love that you shot down the ex2. I do like the defence of Hublot, but at the end of the day, would you buy one??

[@bostoncollector]

A great episode is how price vs where it fits into a collection. In particular how a watch can hit a ceiling and then the watch is no longer a good deal or at the price point is not worth it as it’s place in your collection. Example steel submariner is great at 10k for a daily or beater on a high end collection and even higher end piece in a lower level collection. Gold bluesy is actually dressy and luxury enough to sustain a higher price and could fit as unique in both collections. Hulk with its color and ceramic bezel is also more luxury. Really interesting when a price vs where it sits in a collection would be very insightful for collectors. Cheers fellas!

[@marcusflack1523]

Yeah now thats something to think about. Hmmmmmmm

[@jimathy1988]

Wow, Andrew really brought the 🔥 this episode haha. Love the passion!

[@marcusflack1523]

He had to get in a sensory deprivation tank after this ep he was so wired.

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Best EFFING watch channel ever!! The intro is bad ass, the music the RangeRover great vibe guZ

[@marcusflack1523]

Ahhh thanks man. Yep we had a bunch of fun making all this.

[@sivadyert]

You guys deserve a lot more subs! Very good content. Thank you!

[@owarbi]

At the Mariana Trench right now. Profoundly exhilarating this. Hey gents 🎸

[@BarkandJack]

Haha. 🙌🏻

[@Roomfulofgear]

The passion in Andrew's speech was real, and yeah you guys really ought to do a Seiko Mod episode. Great viewing as always!

[@marcusflack1523]

I think I can feel something like that coming for sure.

[@arniac6920]

The IWC Inge is somewhat underrated . I know GB loves it , I owned one but it was HEAVY as hell but the look was awesome. I wish they would bring it back thinner with an adjustable bracelet. Under rated wise I would say the speedy no no kidding I would say the Porsche top gun (the original pvd one with Lemania 5100)

[@georgebamford]

same I totally agree love them

[@MrRedmania]

Very very enjoyable episode. Underated: JLC, Habring Rated: Tudor, Omega Overrated: PP, AP

[@planetwaves]

Love this podcast! And yess please do one with Seiko modding community 🥳

[@marcusflack1523]

coming right up!!!

[@enth1980]

Would be really interesting to hear your opinions/analysis of Grand Seiko. Maybe even the same under/overrated watches within each brand. Could also be interesting to share analytica with us, say you do a underrated/overrated on rolex, how many views vs grand seiko, hublo episodes and so forth.

[@alrightmatee]

Regarding Tudor Ranger. I think it’s a good entry watch. Shouldn’t be on the list in my opinion, little hype, perhaps as it’s popular (cheaper and more accessible) compared to other Tudor models

[@Chris_UES]

same problem here in Manhattan boys… just bought an Omega SMP 300M white dial/rubber strap as an everyday bc I can insure it and replace it… my Rolex GMT black dial steel/gold is only when I’m flying to somewhere low risk… loved the comments on IWC Ingenieur. I have a 90’a 500k and noticed asking prices have tripled recently.

[@marcusflack1523]

IWC. Please release it please

[@Draknareth]

I think the Aqua Terra is priced higher due to having the 8900 movement over the 8800. The jump hour hand is fucking great.

[@dhueshs4]

Adrian, you are comparing the Aqua Terra to the 300M and thought it overrated as the pricing was high on the Aqua Terra by that comparison. What you failed to mention is the Aqua Terra uses the Co-Axial 8900 vs the 8800 in the 300M. This 8900 movement is an overall better movement. It uses 2 barrels instead of 1, has better antimagnetic properties and an additional 5 hours of power reserve. The AT also keeps better precision as the power reserve runs low. The jumping hour hand is also a different feature and depending on the wearer preference better or worse than the 300M. Apples and Oranges my friend. You should be comparing to the Globemaster that houses the same movement as the Aqua Terra but for $1800 more. When you look at it like that it’s without a doubt rated.

[@ACE-lt2fw]

Absolutely love that Christopher Ward has come up in conversation.

[@JoeMurray5]

I love it when you disagree. This is the honesty we love to watch - different perspectives allow for transparent and engaging content

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

Under rated has to be the Longines HydroConquest in 39mm Fantastic looking and great value! Also anything YEMA love the Superman Heritage line and the Yema Navygraf

[@marcusflack1523]

I just hate the Yema bezel lock crown thing. Just feels comepletely useless to me. If I got a yema that would be the forst thing I would remove.

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

@@marcusflack1523 you can order with or without the bezel lock. I like the look of it but it has it’s purpose but not very practical

[@canadianwatchmonkey3992]

@@marcusflack1523 you can order without bezel lock. It actually works but is a bit redundant. I guess it is away to creat a different look and stand out. Check out the Yema Navygraf Heritage

[@hutch3459]

Great video! I think a tier list would have been more appropriate than the rated categories because there are so many ways to interpret the meaning

[@MattD86]

100% and they could make the top one called GOD TIER 😂

[@Rich_Lambert]

Nice to see some Doxa and Chopard love. Great episode!

[@marcusflack1523]

Chopard is just hands down awesome!!!

[@samhart3652]

Same worry here, I have a birth year date just with cream dial and white gold bezel. Can you suggest something cool, under £1k, tough waterproof etc? Great as always guys!

[@stedhardy]

George… a little constructive feedback. When you talk over other people throughout the entire video, it really creates a poor viewing experience. Try to monitor your speaking time. Honesty I didn’t get 10 minutes in before I had to turn it off. I get that you guys want a laid-back channel, but give the other guys the respect they deserve and wait your turn.

[@steelsteez6118]

Good ol' Georgie just gets over excited lol

[@steelsteez6118]

39:42 an example of Andrew bringing out the bamboo stick 🤣

[@unknowntables]

Honestly, I found Andrew speaking over the others the most. I think they’ve all got really great insights to share. That said, I had hope to hear all of them finish their thoughts. The best podcasters are the best listeners :)

[@davewood1213]

It’s called banter mate 🎉 you have to listen to several views at the same time

[@michaelN425]

Don’t go changing George - the three blokes opining like they’re down the pub is what makes the channel so good.

[@btmontres1423]

Really enjoyable content and a fun escape from the real world. Love the interaction and slapstick level of humor, interrupted by serious discussion and contemplation. Agree about the stupid criminal problems with just wearing what we love...good thing we have alternatives and will keep calm and carry on. All my best to you crazy lads.

[@AboutEffingTime]

🥰

[@JosephCimaomo]

The discussions of this episode has had my emotions up and down. Andrew’s LUC may have been the one that looked the best in general, but the Christopher Ward is easily in my opinion is the most underrated. One of those watches I need to look more into.

[@marcusflack1523]

Yeah me too. I never considered them till this ep

[@jamestaylor689]

Great Ep gents. Couldn’t agree more about the Daytona…but I really want one! One underrated watch to add is the Patek 7234G Calatrava Pilot Travel Time. Trades well below retail and a future classic in my view.

[@marcusflack1523]

Funny how when something gets inside your head it’s hard to shake. Yes it’s an overrated watch. but. It’s still freaking awesome. And so thin for its function. Just an epic piece. So if it’s square in your dial James. Keep aiming for the target. One day. Then. BANG. thanks heaps for watching my friend.

[@AmitBhandari82]

Agree with Andrew. Hublot underrated and over hated. Same with Tag Heuer.

[@AboutEffingTime]

👊🏼

[@brucie6426]

Alleluia Andrew! I always thought the Pelagos looked like an oversized kid’s Flik Flak. I owned a Pelagos myself, and sold it after just two weeks once I saw this and couldn’t unsee it.

[@las_qolqas]

George: "I've been talkin about this brand a lot..." Adrian: "Tag Heuer" George:"F*** off" 🤣 Thank you guys, you made my Sunday!

[@marcusflack1523]

hahahahahahahaha well said!!!

[@d_ruby]

Great ep guys! Good points on Hublot. Never heard of the Orlinski before this ep - it’s absolutely gorgeous. Would totally rock this watch. Anyone else convinced to give this brand another chance?

[@marcusflack1523]

Yep the orlinski is a get out of jail showstopper. It’s freaking bonkers art on the wrist

[@ninjagaidenblackman]

My favorite KZbin channel. Cheers, mates!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Fuckin love ya!

[@marcusflack1523]

And we love NINJAS

[@tomh2014]

Reason for Hublot hate is the same reason why Adrian thinks the Aqua Terra is overrated, THE PRICE. Andrew has amazing points why Hublot deserves love but those points can't justify the retail price. Also I think Oris aquis or propilot would be an amazing starter watch.

[@jayoungrn]

They watered down the Pelogos 39 mm, with less detail. The ranger is a great watch - matte and tool-like - while the explorer got flashy. Ranger looks better on a NATO or any strap.

[@marcusflack1523]

Def better on a nato that’s for sure.

[@pazifikblau8139]

What a nice surprise with Doxa at the end 😍 actually was wearing my vintage 300T while watching the show and I’m annoying anybody about how great it is.

[@marcusflack1523]

HAHAHAHAHA love it. just love it.

[@dingodango1]

I have nuts and I'll say it. Hublot makes some interesting stuff. There are many I would like to own. I have many Rolex, APs and some JLC in my collection. I'm not afraid to say I think Hublot makes great and innovative products.

[@marcusflack1523]

They are truely innovating and giving the public something to think about and be gernerally surprized about.

[@williamhowes8530]

Great debate! Seems to be a bit of confusion as to what a watch "is" rated versus what a watch "should be" rated as. Clearly defining the rules of the game would help. But, it would not be as much fun!

[@AboutEffingTime]

Agree - confusion reigns

[@WestCoastAce27]

It did add to the emotion at the end. Watches no longer in prod should have been ruled out. In fact ‘Watches to WANT to be reissued’ (at various price pts) would be a great episode.

[@raymondho4821]

i think post 2000s Rolexes are over rated simply because there are simply not as many dial variations to their watches as their vintage ones. On the other hand, Grand Seiko is really under rated, from their innovation of their spring drive and quartz movements to their beautiful dials and polishing, simply punching way above the price.

[@Schleberger]

Grand Seiko is actually super overrated. Nobody besides total watch geeks cares about the brand (absolutely no status in the "real" world) and 95% of their offering (besides the famous snowflake, white birch models, etc.) is absolutely hideous.

[@marcusflack1523]

@@Schleberger Yeah I gotta admit that it does trail behind many other brands as far as non watch enthusist perception. So does this make it not worth the money? Hmmmm

[@raymondho4821]

@@Schleberger thats the point, many watch lovers want understated watches so we dont need to fight and "lineup" for watches at inflated prices. Plus, less recognition in the "real world" means less likely to be robbed.

[@TheSzmichal]

While you were talking about the Aquaracer, I noticed that it doesn't come in such colours as your wall clock Tag does. I think it would be much better looking if they would change the logo to green and red and loose the yellow second hand (i'm talking about the black version). It should also come in a smaller dimension than 43mm. Maybe it would make the watch more blunt but #teamcaptainboring (hope you'd agree). Do something about it George :D

[@djpratcher4568]

I agree the Rolex Explorer 2 is underrated. I’m a fan of the explorer and me and my friend both walked into our AD and he immediately went to look at the sub and Daytona (of course) and even went and looked at every model and didn’t even look twice at the watch.

[@tommiel6740]

It means the Daytona and Sub are overrated, like all Rolexes are.

[@WestCoastAce27]

@@tommiel6740 agree. Look at the joke aftermarket prices for the Exp II Polar - back up to 50% premium. It’s my grail - at MSRP only.

[@richardmorgan428]

Christopher ward C65 Dune or Tudor Black bay 36? I was close to buying the BB36 and then saw the CW dune release

[@marcusflack1523]

Hmmm I need to check this DUNE out. I love the movie also. Hahahah

[@parkestan]

Hublot gets utter savagery from everyone. I didn’t know that they’re the first to put a rubber strap on precious metal and first to do coloured ceramics. The thing about Hublot and Richard Mille is that they were followed by the same hypetrain and celebrity sponsorships that Beats by Dre had (pre-Apple purchase) that everyone got sick of. Because of that, they got a reputation like Nickleback where it shifted from “its cool to say I like Nickleback” to “its cooler to say I hate Nickleback”. Same as Nickleback getting played on the radio all the time, same as seeing Beats by Dre on celebrity and sportsperson’s necks, everyone got sick of seeing Hublots and Richard Milles plastered everywhere and on celebrity and sportsperson’s wrists. People forget the fact that they are some of the engineering marvels seen on wrists.

[@marcusflack1523]

I totally respect they way you worked Nickleback into the comments section. Priceless!!!!

[@watcheswithabdullah]

I totally agree. But that's also the same reason why I'm sick of Royal Oak, Nautilus and Subs. The hype factor just takes over the heritage / watchmaking aspect of these watches. But somehow, paying over MSRP for them is seen as impressive and yet, getting a Hublot at a huge discount seen as waste of money. Seem like there's no logic or consistency wihen it comes to hating Hublot. It's like we hate the brand because we're programed to hate it, rather than forming our own opinions.

[@alicantaselmas]

Very nice episode as always. imo oris big crown pointer date and nomos tangente are also underrated. And the mooosssttt rated watch ever is seamaster diver 300m :)

[@artsohc]

Andrew just likes it when we talk about him, that’s why he said Hublot is under-rated 😊 You can’t fool me Andrew.

[@AboutEffingTime]

😬 what do you mean, Adrian got all the comments last show 🤷🏽

[@RATBONES8]

Great show guys! Canadian here with a bit of an argument and something that may be a great topic for a future episode. In listening to your arguments, specifically on a first watch but can be applied to much as to recommendations, is regional considerations. Andrew thinks Tudor, with Adrian and George leaning For Tag. I think both are great but will say that until recently Tag Heuer in Canada has had a bit of stigma (a la Hublot) as more of a fashion brand. I think Tudor is more aspirational but think many of the Swatch brands here would be more fitting in Canada. A few years ago Omega would of been the #1 Choice but now likely Longines. I am not sure if our proximity to the USA is why these brands are more popular or it is more on price. Another Swatch brand and was not intentional, is Rado, who in Asia is very highly regarded but in North America is not really known. My first serious watch was a Zenith Stratos Striking ten with an exhibition back (less than 200 made, before they made the Felix Baumgartner commemorative solid case back) in Canada in 2015 this was a $11,500. Watch. Oddly I wanted to not be pretentious and show I was a connoisseur by purchasing an El Primero, over a Rolex, where at that price point, I could of easily. In hind sight I should of bought the Rolex. To agree with many of your arguments the hype for many watches is off putting, although I have come full circle and do think Rolex is an amazing product for its parts, which I think (like Adrian) the Explorer could be the perfect watch! As a side note I do have two Christopher Wards C63 (one is the GMT) and love them with just the two flags logo.

[@bryanbeckett869]

I agree Hublot does deserve a lot of respect for their watchmaking, however, if their pricing structure was in-tune with Cartier, and they did their own movements? People would love them. …also if they dropped the Invicta-ass designs. I think one thing is that there are people who need the more gaudy, over the top designs who are willing to pay top dollar prices, and Hublot are there for that. I will never buy one, but they are a business who have their market, and they still do make cool stuff. One interesting note is Nico really seemed to up the vitriol against Hublot when they ignored him, as he mentioned in one of his videos. It’s all mostly a meme.

[@marcusflack1523]

Hmmmm or he hates being ignored

[@bryanbeckett869]

@@marcusflack1523 I think I’d ignore him too at this point if I was Hublot 😭😂

[@joeplatz7289]

Great stuff. Agree with almost all of these. CW is a solid pick; they and Monta are hugely underrated micros, that swing with the big guys.

[@laurablockley1269]

Yes Adrian!! So glad you brought Christopher Ward to the table. The CW C65 Aquitaine is my first mechanical. It’s stunning! The box sapphire crystal, the sapphire crystal bezel, the lume, the tool-less micro adjust bracelet! You did of course bring one of their more “boring” offerings in my opinion (😂) but you brought them and I’m so pleased! 😁💜

[@killazx9]

Is Hublot really the first one doing the sapphire crystal watch case? I thought RM did it first? But anyway, neither fits my bill and I cannot imagine what happens if I drop the watch.

[@PJM16]

SUPERB episode, top 3 in my book so far from you guys - the debate got HEATED and I LOVED that!! Rolex Explorer II is 1,000% NOT under-rated. Every steel Rolex sports watch is over-rated. Andrew’s reaction and George’s face when Adrien put that watch down on the table was priceless 😂😂 The IWC Ingenieur belonged in the under-rated section. For this exercise, whether or not a watch is still in production shouldn’t matter at all, and that watch is definitely under-rated. I think Adrien confused over-rated with “over-priced” when it comes to the Aqua Terra - you can buy them for far less than retail on the secondary market, so people don’t over-hype them, Omega just over-prices them at retail.

[@nl5h]

every tudor is overrated. bought one and sold it 5'months later.

[@berendbmx]

Another great show guys, keep up that fuegoooo🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@nicknicola1009]

A great show as ever guys. TOTAL respect for Andrew for sticking up so passionately about the much maligned Hublot. You can question whether the price represents value for money, you can question its movement not being inhouse (in which case you'd have to question 80% of the Swiss watch brands but you CANNOT question it produces some gorgeous pieces and that the level of hatred for Hublot is totally unjust and based largely on the rants of an angry Dutch man and people just jump on his bandwagon. Other brands get more love for less achievement and less hatred for more wrongdoing. Have to also shout out to Paul Thorpe here who has stuck up for Hublot on many occasions on his streams