ABSOLUTELY GAMEBREAKING! Echo Pity Exists In Wuthering Waves?!

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[@KokkyGachas]

I woke up to alot of comments and I will definitely check it out later but farm away as you wish people!

[@JoJo1236]

Is this still available? Or is patched?

[@Yldaro]

Mtashed made a video about yours! He cites you and all :] but to be fair the algorhythm also blessed you haha, you were in my recommended yesterday. Keep up the great content! Loved this video c: and thank you for sharing

[@vayneaurelius5251]

hey kokkygachas I would like to mention that havoc dreadmane is the best elite class to farm pity for elites as I think they spawn infinitely? I could be wrong but I've killed a lot of them already and never seem to ran out of them

[@farizhady3995]

If this ever get patched can you update us?

[@Speo_]

Hey Kokky, I noticed something while farming echoes with your 50/50 method and wanted to tell you in case you wanted to check it out. At level 17 where the rate becomes 50/50 it seems like the echoes that drop alternate in 3/4s so basically from the bosses it's 3 purples in a row, sometimes 4 then 3 Golds in a row, this seemed to happen quite frequently as I farmed all day yesterday, just wanted to let you know in case you wanted to test this

[@sempersolum00]

This video: - straight to the point and less than 10 mins - contains actual useful info - backed up by numbers I just got my first usable electro dmg heron thanks to this. subbed!

[@jerrychen3428]

Refreshing to have new information to add to the discussion rather than the same info posted 10 times by the same 10 creators. No shade to them, you do what you gotta for the algorithm, but very nice work regardless.

[@michaelblue4619]

Its good info, but practically speaking actually not so crazy and here's why. Say you want Monster A and you don't want Monster B. Presume you kill Monster A and get no echo, so the pity is 3 right? You go over to Monster B to "build your pity". But Monster B can drop an echo before pity as well, ruining the pity. So it ends up that you are going around killing monsters you don't want, since you can absolutely can get 2 echoes of Monster A back to back, as well as when you go to build pity on Monster B, and it's not a strict 1 every 4 kills. For boss monsters, I suppose this would be somewhat faster, but also more tedious, as instead of doing something else like farming other echoes while the boss is respawning, you have to teleport somewhere else, and spend effort fighting a boss that gives you nothing, then come back. During my testing I found that by the time I was done killing the 2nd boss and teleport back to the first, the first hadn't respawned yet, so I still had to wait. This plus the fact that you can also get 2 boss echoes in a row on the same boss (first try is a legit 20%), makes you wonder if it's worth going back and forth. The 2nd boss can also ruin your "pity". It is useful if you hate coop.

[@nenrikido2903]

​@@michaelblue4619 no no there are ways to exploit it : First for overlord and calamity boss it basically means that the drop rate isn't 20% but between 40 and 50% which is HUGELY better as for elite class, there are mobs that are worse to farm than other, but you still wanna farm the less worth it ones, for instance : Let's say i'm building an Encore team and a Havoc Rover team, then i need fusion and havoc mobs, there's the havoc dreadmane which can drop both, so what i can do is farm any Havoc or fusion elite mob, and whenever i see that i missed 3 in a row, i focus an havoc dreadmane.

[@Tkt_t]

@@michaelblue4619 wait you're right this is kinda useless lmao for both 3 and 4 cost actually. It would be useful if the mobs werent infinite with coop but you can just kill the same mob instead of building pity which is a risk + the 4 cost are easy enough to get

[@jerrychen3428]

@@michaelblue4619 I would actually say the elite drop pity more useful in a lot of circumstances. For example, currently I am farming two havoc sets for Havoc Rover and Danjin. What's been happening the past couple of days is that I have pretty much cleared the entire map of havoc drops and yet havent gotten anything useful. So, in this case, I can go kill elites that I'm not specifically targeting but wouldnt mind getting in between my targeted elites. For example, on my way over to the roseshrooms I'll kill a couple of monkey along the way. Sure, there will be times that your "pity" is ruined but this still doesn't lower the drop rates for the Havoc set. Especially since the drop rates outside of pity is fairly low at 20%, I think the strategy of killing just two elites after a drop before going back to your targeted elite can make farming much more streamlined. Takes a much longer time, yes, but if you're limited by the number of mobs that you are trying to farm this pity manipulation is a godsend. Edit: with coop its a lot less useful, but that said I think strategically killing elites when you are traveling from pack to pack will definitely help a fair bit still. For bosses, this also is useful since right now we can optimize boss kill times to be so fast you can go kill another boss and come back before the first boss respawns. So, I could kill lampy, if he drops an echo I go kill monkey before he lampy respawns and hopefully monkey doesn't drop echo. If monkey doesn't drop echo, my next lampy is guaranteed. If monkey does drop echo, nothing lost anyway since I would be waiting for lampy to respawn regardless.

[@michaelblue4619]

@@nenrikido2903 For overlord and calamity boss, knowing pity exists wont change anything because you will still get the same number in a farming session. I guess the benefit is you can feel better and not scared of farming knowing it's not 20% haha. For Elite class, why farm something you don't want first? If you have infinite time in a day I suppose you can farm all the not important ones instead of the important ones first, but you can also coop and farm dreadmane alone all day. Farming one monster to extinction already takes quite some time daily.

[@RealQuarlie]

This may just be the most important information on the meta of this game. It's crazy that this wasn't told us

[@RealQuarlie]

@@syllanchan4528 Yes, but every class has their own pity count, so basically just disconnected. There are commons (with pity 8), there are elites (with pity 4), there are overlords (with pity 2, those are your normal field bosses like crownless) and calamities (with pity 2, those are your weekly bosses like dreamless). For bosses, basically everytime you don't get a drop, you are guranteed one next time.

[@suony4509]

getting right echo is like 1/3 of the way anyway rolling good subs and actually having materials for that is another hell of itself

[@lordofshadow7041]

​@@suony450920% drop rate --> 50/50 chance to drop gold at DB 18 --> right main stat --> having enough exp (Goodluck with that) --> rolling the right substats are a whole different story : D

[@maximumleech7929]

I actually like that they didn't tell us. The secrets of game mechanics and finding them is one of the best aspects of any new game.

[@lurezzo]

As a tash man once said: This changes everything!

[@ponsuwan6942]

"NEW ECHO FARMING METHOD, AVOID THESE MISTAKES BEFORE YOU BRICK YOUR ACCOUNT" lol

[@Hhhh22222-w]

If this is true, then this will completely change how popularised rng gear systems works in gacha games, players now would expect a sort of pity in gear system I certainly wouldn't wanna play a gacha game without a pity for its gear system in the future.

[@GenshinGirlxxx]

Tash man couldn't beat an easy boss yesterday after 2 hrs of trying. He ended the stream and hasn't been seen since

[@Hhhh22222-w]

​@@GenshinGirlxxxhe quit confirmed

[@Ann_QwQ]

@@GenshinGirlxxx PGR moment

[@UnusGrunus]

noticed the same thing today farming bosses, crazy how there's not more people talking about it yet haha. love the 3 cost tech of using pity on the ones you're after! also i've seen people discuss a potential bug with the 15 pity a week, making your drops guaranteed on certain bosses but now i believe its just this mechanic doing its thing and not a bug after all?

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Well yeah its only been less than a week

[@Fexan]

idk if im dumb but i didnt understand whats he saying, could u explain

[@narcissistickran9587]

Love this shit

[@Mayank_MJ]

The 15 pity isnt a bug at all lmao, its a exhanced drop rate for bosses you get every week, the first 15 bosses have an increased drop rate of 80% instead of 20% if you are databank level 18, if you are databank level 20 then its 100% instead. This information is in the databank level up screen

[@midnightshout69]

The thinking is that even after you exhaust your 15 drops the drop chance should be just 20% not 1 in every 2

[@PianoHaiku]

Thank you. Finally someone who actually explains how this works and the math behind it.

[@rsg_magfire]

Fun fact! If you see a td glowing yellow, kill it. It has 100% echo drop chance (only seen common and elite class so far)

[@leson1992]

That's a shiny with a different colour scheme :)

[@Vanjju]

@@leson1992Nah those are different things, I found a phantom rock golem the other day but a glowing yellow turtle that gave me a green

[@cantide]

Noticed that the glowing ones (not shiny), in my case also are from an element they are not normally are

[@lorenzsaputra4926]

@@leson1992 glowing one with usual colour, shiny one is glowing but with different colour

[@99ersify]

came from the link on someone's vid covering your discovery to say amazing work noticing it and properly testing it before making a video about it, so thanks for the hard work!

[@michrisgaming8480]

Hey I just noticed something too! When farming the Hoochief for my Jiyan, I kept getting the sets alternating. Like for the 5 stars it's usually Aero, Healing, Aero, Healing. Tho I cannot completely confirm it, I think it's worth testing too!

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Im sure well figure out the system in a few months

[@athredis]

@@Hhhh22222-w i will love kuro games if there's actually a pity system in this echoes, it makes me want to farm more due to the fact that i will get my desired sets lmao

[@KokkyGachas]

I can actually check the sets i got based on the time i got the echo. Will report back if i get the time to do that Edit: I didn't notice any pattern as I gotten duped sets in consecutive drops but it might be a bigger pattern though I think it might not be as meaningful as the main roll is still the main stat roll

[@KOJI_7]

I immediately subscribed when you showed the excel file, I love KZbinrs who give stats like this

[@marmackerel]

This information is actually so valuable for 3 cost echoe farming! Thanks a bunch!!

[@michaelblue4619]

It's actually not that great and here's why. Say you want Monster A and you don't want Monster B. Presume you kill Monster A and get no echo, so the pity is 3 right? You go over to Monster B to "build your pity". But Monster B can drop an echo before pity as well, ruining the pity. So it ends up that you are going around killing monsters you don't want.

[@Papibutcholo]

​@@michaelblue4619 It's actually a scientific approach to echo farming. Since he waa able to show us data and probability, it's more efficient than going around the map to hunt and not getting yung desired 3cost echo.

[@whyvern6817]

​@@michaelblue4619Yeah but you don't use up the limited 3 cost echoes that you ACTUALLY want and actually get more chance to roll for better main stat and echo set. Its not useless

[@yukoi8825]

@@michaelblue4619 the idea is that you want to guarantee you get the echo you want. even if monster B drops u dont want to take that chance on the echos you do want. you build the pity and make sure u 100 percent of the time get the echo u want. I believe this method does take longer but it removes the rng of farming a specific echo. plus you can use monster B echo into crafting other echos or even pick a monster that you dont mind getting but do not prefer it over the monster A.

[@michaelblue4619]

@@whyvern6817 But most of the time when you farm echoes, you wont make it to the 4 pity. Just try it yourself. The probability of getting at least one echo from 3 units is around 50%. You could also get 3 echoes from 3 units. You just end up spending alot of time farming echoes you don't really want. Alternatively you can just join coop and farm the one you actually want all day. I guess it's just the amount of time you have to play a day versus the limit of monsters (that can be removed if you coop).

[@Krutonkreatura]

this changes everything...

[@gshock1485]

From what I understood (for those who dont understand): Say you want a 3 star echo A. You will have to fight other 3 star echoes B, C, D and hope they don't drop and come to A again in the fourth time. That way you have a guarenteed echo drop on A. If B, C or D drops then you have to fight 2 other 3 star echoes and hope they don't drop and then return to A. For example, you want A. You fight B and don't get a drop. However, you fight C and get a drop. So now you have to fight D, E, F and hope to not get a drop and then return to A. That way you get a guarenteed drop on A.

[@lordkinggamer]

yo thank you so much I have a bird brain so this helps me a lot

[@nefer9256]

this would be inefficient though, because it'll always have a chance to drop before the 4th one, so just keep farming the one you need. if you kill the one you need 3x, just make sure you dont waste the guaranteed echo drop with a random on your 4th kill

[@888lkw]

Just wonder, why not just keep farming A? What's the difference of keep farming A vs farm B, C, D, E, F to camp pity then fight A? Afterall it's possible to get A consecutively too right? In that case if I want A, might as well keep farming A?

[@toshiya9346]

@@888lkw no bc first of all, the 3 star echoes are only limited and resets after a day so basically if you wanted to keep on farming on A echoes then all of them would be gone before you can even get all their echoes, so by this pity system, farming B, C, D, E, and F, you'd have 100% chance on getting the echoes from A, and no you can't get A's consecutively, at least what the data says

[@syllanchan4528]

Does it apply to the boss section? Bosses like Crownless, Dreamless, Turtle and so on? I did not get the boss part and your explanation is very simple and understandable. Thanks

[@CealumVeres]

knew about the 2-pity on calamity/ overlord but didn't know about the 4-pity on the 3-cost echoes. Great find!!

[@RateUpRadio]

This is awesome. Excellent research!

[@TechyCatz]

The dreamless farm is what’s broken. The farm is a lot faster than any other method

[@OkSear]

What's dreamless farm?

[@Lauwit]

11

[@KupidsFather]

@@OkSeardreamless is an echo and he’s saying he was farming for her drop/ i think

[@setcamper]

@@OkSear Dreamless boss isn't on a respawn timer and she's instanced. This means you can set her level to easy (40?), enter her instance, kill her, and port out. Repeat without waiting on the standard 3 minute boss respawn timer and she's significantly easier being able to adjust her level but maintain the same echo system.

[@OkSear]

@@setcamper ahh okay, thanks

[@tutu_pom156]

This is amazing! Thank you so much!! What a great discovery, man!

[@koelee]

This was sooooo informative and is going to be so useful for echo farming moving forward. Thank you so much for your research, and I'm almost 100% certain your work will have a big impact on the community in the next few days!!

[@jamesmartinez3449]

Was watching this in my car and the knock at :25 scared me so bad it sounded to real.

[@Sarrr1]

0:25 🤣

[@JAINISH26_P]

Also traffic light , who knows it flash beam to us....

[@zippo718]

"watching" I hope you mean listening lol

[@jamesmartinez3449]

Guys don’t worry I was parked

[@RetroGhost16]

Dude this info is a god send! You single handedly just saved so much time for everyone who plays the game farming for echos. We will remember you well!

[@afiqrizal645]

hey man, just wanted to say i appreciate your video. it's short, informative, is actually tested to certain extent, goes straight to the points and doesn't drag on and on and on and ends up getting sidetracked, like most other videos. im not throwing shades, its fun sometimes but there are times where you just one strictly info only, and this is one of those moments. thanks again man

[@bogdandidenko1235]

Dude is MVP among WW CCs!

[@Aishea]

I love how in every game, players use good ol' SCIENCE to figure out the mechanics and optimal results for their games. This is good data and very useful information for that hardcore minmaxing echo grinding. Concise and well explained. Thank you for all your time; this is truly an incredible contribution to the community.

[@quiteliteral3911]

Great find and thanks for sharing!

[@Illya45]

Really great find, especially knowing you can manipulate the 3* ones since they don't respawn every minute like the bosses do, gonna make target farming much easier. Great video!

[@yutawirasena]

Funfact: Electro set has two bosses, so you can switch between one another and still get the same piece since they count as different monsters.

[@YelanC6R1]

Thank you for sacrificing your sleep for this Nobel Prize worthy discovery

[@Renatus__]

You my friend ventured into unknown lands no one knew and you shared those treasures you found for the people to enjoy. Subscibed

[@goodkarma715]

crazy how the last video I saw of you was your farewell video on Ragnarok Origin Global. Very helpful discovery that would absolutely help everyone who watches your video!

[@jun_kage]

Hats off to you Sir. Thats dedication right there

[@spark9_]

This changes everything.

[@Shinsenn]

that is some crazy dedication and the fact you proved it too. Well done man i didn't think there was a set pity for echos

[@Xoulium]

I noticed the 50% pattern of bosses when I was farming Dreamless, but I just assumed it was a bug (considering all the other bugs atm that made sense to me), but I never thought it could be a pity system and work on all mobs as well. Really nice video!

[@cortesyes]

For my current experience it’s still a bug. My chances got reset and after using all of them I fought dreamless 4 times and it didn’t drop anything

[@Poppi-chi]

Omg! I actually figured the different drop rates during release day, but I had no idea that the class of the enemy had any meaning! Thanks 😊

[@reyxo4657]

I talked about the idea of a piy system 2 months ago for cbt2 And they implemented it I alone am the honored one

[@natski_t]

TBH I had discovered this yesterday with a friend. we ran Feilian/Heron/BeBo and it was always 50/50 for Bebo wich makes sense and Feilian NEVER dropped for me but my friend and then Heron the exact oposite. It was so strange. We ran our circle the other way and it fricking flipped.

[@probably_seohyun]

I once had 2 instances where 3 fire salamanders (1 is a leader) dropped their echoes. Pretty neat.

[@daesong1378]

This is funny because it made me think my game was bugged at one point. I did a rotation of turtle>monkey>heron. The heron would barely ever drop, I went 10 rotations with no drop on heron. Then when I did Heron twice in a row it dropped.

[@Nerakhi]

Man. I knew a little bit about the boss pity but this goes way deeper than I expected. Great info!

[@remnantmemory1811]

Thank you, this confirm my suspicion. I was farming Rider>Bell>Heron in that Order, and malding because Rider never drop stuff, meanwhile Heron keep dropping gold, and the turtle keep dropping me Purple once in a while. At first I thought the pattern is No drop>Purple>Gold, turn out there is a pattern but different for each class, and I somehow got lucky with my 7 Gold Heron

[@donniel1403]

It makes sense now! I was farming to 15 yest and the same thing happened. I was grinding bosses finally after getting all my 1 and 3 costs. I did bell then rider, bell dropped and guess guess, rider didnt. Decided to do a diff boss ib the mean time while rider refreshes, next boss drops, goes back to rider, no drop again. It frustrated the hell outta me that every time, he just wouldnt drop any but the others conveniently did. SO THANK YOUUUU! This will also help me farm for our boi, Lingyang! ✨

[@deividasradziunas3696]

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING!

[@marcelobenattoferreira2998]

Yea friend, you deserve the recognition. Evrytime i share this information, i'll send the link to this video, thx a lot for the hard work.

[@AnimeNeeds]

holy moly this is a revolutionary discovery this will help me so much ty for sharing this instead of just keeping it to yourself!

[@zylfelia]

Your hard work and dedication is greatly appreciated. Your commitment to going above and beyond is truly inspiring, and we are so fortunate to have you on our community. Your contributions make a real difference, and we are so grateful for everything you did for us. Thanks!

[@ATeamNinja124]

If strictly farming echoes from bosses, you can also lower your world level to kill them faster and get the same rate of drops. The drop rate and rarity are tied strictly to your data bank level, so farming bosses at a lower level will be easier. The only thing is that you can only go up and down world levels every 12 hours. Works with common and elite mobs too.

[@anboro_]

I told Mtached about your video and he made his own on this topic. Big step

[@j-bonkers1887]

Absolute chad Thanks for discovering this!

[@_on-sight_]

HOLII DROPP! THIS IS ACRUALLY SO SICK BRO! I KNEW IT WAS WEIRD THAT I KEPT GETTING TORTIS! I HOPE THEY DONT REWORK IT

[@aurum.i]

Thank you for this information mr Kokky. I know about the overlord monster one but didn't know about the Elites. THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING (true to some extent)

[@hyshi18]

Funny thing is I noticed this on bosses and I've been abusing them day 1 but not elite mobs

[@Isiar_95]

I get it. It's a nice method to farm 3 cost mobs, but man it's grindy, especially before Data Bank lvl 19. Take the small math i'm using with a grain of salt. You basically need to kill 4 mobs total with 4th being the guaranteed but at the same time you have pretty high chances the streak to be resetted if one of the 3 fodder mobs you kill drops you an echo (20% chance). Basically you want 3 times in a row the 80% chance to not get the Echo, (80%)^3 aka (80/100)*(80/100)*(80/100) which is, i think, 51% chance to not get an Echo from first 3 mobs, that means tho you still have 49% chance for it to happen. On top of that it's still 50% chance for it to be purple (reason why i think this should be done at DB19+ since your chance for 5* goes to 80% vs 50% of lvl18) and on top of that it's 50% chance for wrong set or even less depending on how many sets the mob you're farming can have (if 3 sets it's 33%) and even then it's (i think) 1 in 10 for right main stat. TLDR To get right main stat before DB19, right set and right rarity it's like 2.5% chance rn unless i'm just shit at math If we wait for 19 it should be around 4%, which some might think it's not that much, but if you're a gacha player, it's a lot especially if you consider the amount of Echos you can get. Ofc that's per Echo so with some luck you could get 1 Echo worth upgrading a day. Taking Sierra Gale(Wind) set in consideration which i've been farming for Jiyan, there's 3 types of Elites. -Cyan Feathered Heron -Hoochief -Chaserazor I don't really know the amount of each on map (i should count them but i killed them all today already) but, assuming there's at least 10 each (pretty sure there's more) that's 30 times 2.5% (4% at DB19+) to get a usable Echo. If you take the guaranteed method into consideration, you need to kill a total of 120+ Elites (probably way more both because i'm pretty sure there's more than 30 elites in Wind set and because you have 49%, as calculated above, to lose the streak by 3rd fodder.) Daily. If you have time, it's nice, if you play less than 4h per day, you'd end up just grinding and quitting after you're done. So do yourselves a favor and just kill the Elites as they are and wait to use this method for when you reach Rank 40 and unlock DB19+. If my math is wrong please let me know, should be right but i'm no mathematician and statistics is not my speciality so I could've gotten it wrong.

[@jedidiha]

I noticed this pattern when I was farming for Dreamless and Bell-Borne. I thought someone must have discovered this long ago but I'm not too sure. It did expedited my Echo farming on both bosses, lol. Also, glad you mentioned the class difference since when I switched from Dreamless (Calamity) - Bell-Born (Calamity) to Dreamless (Calamity) - Ghost Rider (Overlord), it didn't work, lol.

[@justagamer2125]

Welp that's just crazy, I just used the method you mentioned for farming my 1 cost echos and got the stats I needed for my complete Spectro Rover build 💀😂 It hurts because I was farming them for 8 hrs and I pull the 2 ,1 cost stats I needed in 10 mins 😭😭😭

[@grumpyguy3725]

Oh this is something new, thanks for the info. Maybe you can do another video about soft pity on the limited character pulls?

[@Hhhh22222-w]

Soft pity starts at 65 and ramps up from there, by 70, it's probably around if not more than 25% chance of winning, there's also a soft pity for every 10 pulls, starting at 7, the closer to 10, the higher the chance of being 4 star or above

[@Jimanderson124]

You stupid kid? Just pull. You are not lucky enough.

[@super_steam]

i knew something wasn't right with the drop rate. thanks big dawg

[@danielw.2456]

Wow, thanks so much for this. I really hope they don't patch this bc this seems less like an "exploit" & more like a reward for any players who pay attention enough to catch this.

[@heartoftarassque]

They patched it out. It now drops randomly always

[@jetistheswampert9166]

its not

[@fredxu99]

Oh this is explains why wind monke kept dropping echoes but I couldn't for the life of me get any impermanence heron drops, I was alternating between the two lol.

[@mikiyanagi7819]

Your explanation was way clearer than the other ytber that used your work and tried to rephrase everything lol. I was lost in his video and came to yours. (He credited you 😅)

[@Reason4Termination]

This also works back then in ToF. There are hidden pitty for the chest gold equip spawns

[@muhammadzakimufthi3000]

OK SO ITS NOT JUST ME BEING CRAZY?!? I FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY AND MY TOLD MY FRIENDS, BUT THEY DIDNT BELIEVE ME 😢, THANKS FOR MAKING A VIDEO SO I CAN SHOVE THIS IN MY FRIENDS FACE

[@SM-tf3li]

This makes solo farming elites a lot more viable. Can get the 3 cost echos we want almost 4 times faster. With this, I'll probably never have to co-op.

[@fire_rider7923]

Great find, helps with efficency a ton, thanks

[@ColinsComments]

Thank you for testing the 3 cost as well

[@bonbonthebonsai5524]

I wish 1 cost echos also have a pity to fill out the 4 piece bonus with the very limiting 12 max cost

[@epic_afk9333]

I had a similar experience on all overload bosses besides specifically crownless, maybe because u need to summon crownless, idk but crownless always felt like 10-30% drop rate.

[@youmu7917]

SO I WAS RIGHT??? I mean I thought it was a coincidence at first, but I kept farming the Crownless but then I only always get the echo on the even numbered (2,4,6,8,10...) kill. Though I didn't know the 3-star echo also had a system.

[@cortesyes]

For bosses the pity has been bugged, not sure if they fixed it now. The enhanced drop rate is supposed to be whatever lvl your data bank is and you’re limited to 15 per week, meaning that after getting 15 echoes with pity you technically shouldn’t have the enhanced drop rate until reset (which should be on Monday). However it didn’t reset until yesterday and you’d have this 100% drop chance after not getting an echo every single time, regardless of data bank lvl, which is what you’re showing here. I didn’t experience any difference between overlord and calamity class, if one didn’t drop the other would certainly do, there’s a possibility that you were bugged in a slightly different way. Idk anything about elites pity, but there’s a slight chance that it was part of the bug as well. I’ll have to use all my chances for the week and see if there’ll still be this 100% drop rate situation

[@PixelPoosher]

Maplestory Kerning music? Good choice.

[@muizxmuiz]

cant wait for r99 pull today

[@kalypton5280]

Ahh the Kerning City BGM. Nostalgic

[@zayslay0077]

This is great information to know and I think it explains why it took me 3 hours to get a purple whiff whaff... I was fighting everything I ran across in between running to whiff whaffs

[@Schwaka]

Hell yeah, thanks for the information! Hope to see more in the future, and I'll definitely check out your other videos.

[@bonissocool4638]

To summarize this, correct me if im wrong If 1.st boss you kill doesnt drop then the 2.nd boss will drop echo. 3 stars mon need to be killed 3 times in order to guarantee the echo drop on the fouth one, but they during the first 3 they must not drop anything.

[@paolorojas6555]

in the name of science we thank you for this valuable information

[@Mike.Erman.Trout.]

Bro plays male MC, he definitely knows what he's doing

[@GoldTK]

I have got some interesting info 80% of the times if you kill your enemy in a flashy way like using intri dodge or Q an echo will drop , although it need more testing. When you fight your enemy i don't know exactly but you can feel in the middle of the fight if it will drop or not .

[@_lynxninja_4783]

Tried this method Now I can have pain efficiently because of this stupid def stat in my needed echoes. Man i hope that echo stats are fixed

[@kenkami987]

This is very useful to know, thanks bro! ❤ Also nice timing, I just unlocked Gold Echoes 😂

[@XSun999]

Well i also noticed a pattern when i farm the gorilla the pattern was almost like alternately drop and no drop and drop and so on but sometimes it didnt drop twice in a row so idk

[@Nerrthus]

I've noticed this on bosses accidentally and abused it by farming the rider and beringal back to back. Good to have statistics on it now though that show how its actually working!

[@Arclightt77]

Thank you! Groundbreaking info.

[@rohanvirus]

in my testing the dreamless level 45 domain doesnt need to farm bell to proc the pity, u can do dreamless continuously and it will drop every other time guaranteed

[@whisperviz1346]

I don't know if this is pure coincidence or bug but, I get more gold echo when I absorb them with the MC. It doesn't matter who kill the monster, as long as you swap to MC and absorb, the chance to get gold is higher.

[@idoodle7629]

I rarely comment but this type of content is just amazing.

[@HuruHara575]

As I always move from boss to another boss because I dont bother roaming around for them to respawn, I confirm this is true 😂

[@0KazehayaKen0]

this indeed helps narrow down the farming a lot , but then i cant really lvl them up cause of materials, but i guess this indeed can help with Reroll process a lot more !

[@superlooz9497]

The most important thing is echo exp...cuz its hard to get We should be able to use echo as material exp for upgrades Plz up this comment and post it to the game maybe they change it❤

[@JAYGURUDEVMFG]

Bro this information is really game changing for many player specially those player like me who likes to fight and mass murder bosses the other day i wanted to farm thundering mampis but it wasnt droping echo probably because i was using my pity for 4 cost echo on other bosees i fought while mampis was on cool down

[@caseymega2383]

when i farmed on dreamless i average 1 gold per 2 rounds. its like Gold, no drop, Gold, No drop and so on. sometimes back to back purple or puple then next gold and back to same pattern gold, no drop, gold.

[@ChromaticJester]

Good theory and a solid logical method of testing I had a theory about something like this but I thought I was just coping on heavy copium. Thanks for the insight I'll test it out myself see if there's some effective min maxing on bosses

[@loly6105]

Im at data bank lvl 18 and cant get to lvl 19 unless im rank 40 and im still rank 31 rn😭 I noticed that every time a boss echo drops and its purple rarity, the next one is going to be yellow and then next one is no echo drop, and then purple.

[@KokkyGachas]

Per my sheets it's doesn't follow any pattern unfortunately that's just rng haha

[@MsDoubleTeam]

Could you check if killing Scar has an impact on the echo drop rate of dreamless? Like if I could kill scar, no echo, kill dreamless and get an echo that way I could easily teleport between two domains?

[@naeemashrafkhan9032]

Shout out to tash man who linked me this video

[@Pololololo]

also btw dont forget that there is a enchanced advanced droprate for the first 15 bosses you do every week that is the 60% you were showing after that the drop rate goes down to normal while i dont deny it might be a pity system i also do think it might just be the enchanced droprate cause ive had times ive done 3-4 bosses without getting a echo

[@novian1452]

thanks for exploring the pity, it sure will help me.

[@akombalasau4022]

Wait my brain cells isn't working. What should i basically do? Help me

[@MaryamSolgi-nx3vx]

OMG IT REALLY WORKS!! You saved my life