ACC DOOMED? FSU & Clemson Find LOOPHOLE in ESPN’s Grant of Rights

Today we're diving into the Grant of Rights, the ironclad document that's HOLDING FSU BACK from leaving the ACC. We'll tell you why that's FALSE!
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[@DoubleFriesNoSlaw]

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[@tedjackson7563]

If Clemson and FSU could break the GOR, they would've done so already.

[@kensummerlin180]

Yep

[@davidframe1613]

I don't think they will break the granite rights until they have an offer. I don't think the SEC or Big ten has made an offer. I bet they would leave if they did. But I don't think they'll ever get that call because I don't think those two conferences need any more hard teams to play. How's it benefit those teams in those conferences they already getting paid. How does Florida and Clemson make more money for the teams in the Big ten or the SEC?

[@kensummerlin180]

@@davidframe1613 First FSU and Clemson don't qualify for the BIG because they are not AAU accredited universities. The expansion is about tv markets, and getting subscriptions to the SEC or BIG networks. The SEC has big time matches nearly every week. And the fans of FSU and Clemson will subscribe to see match ups to watch their team play UGA,BAMA,LSU, OKLA,. As well as opening new recruiting grounds. Loads of talent in NC and VA in football, that's why UNC and UVA are top targets for either conference, that along with the academics of both schools.

[@Trixxy04]

​@kensummerlin180 That's simply just not true. UNC and UVA are great schools don't get me wrong, but they absolutely are not TOP targets. They don't have good football brands which is what those conferences really care about. Nobody cares about academics, just $$$, which comes from good brands and good viewership, not from good academics.

[@davidframe1613]

@@kensummerlin180 these TV deals are all about football. No one cares about anything else besides the Big ten likes for a school to have academics. Virginia and North Carolina would be the worst teams in the SEC if added probably would only win a game or two a year in the sec. Crimson would be a top contender, that's why I don't think Alabama wants to add Clemson nor do I think Ohio would either in the Big ten, why would they want their schedule to be harder they already have a great TV deal. How does adding ACC schools to the SEC make those schools in the SEC more money now?

[@briggsofdisaster]

Notre Dame: We will never join the ACC. Also Notre Dame: Hey Stanford and Cal! You should join the ACC so we don’t have to! Notre Dame is a leech.

[@johnsardella8102]

Sellouts

[@davidframe1613]

If the ACC breaks up Notre Dame will have nowhere to go the Big ten and SEC will not allow them to keep that NBC contract and play in their conference. The Big 12 probably won't either so they have to play as independent and these conferences won't play Notre Dame which will make Notre Dame schedule so easy they'll probably never make the playoffs..

[@davidframe1613]

word advice to Notre Dame when they're scheduling all those easy opponents don't schedule Marshall that was embarrassing getting whooped by Marshall at home. 🤣😂🤣😂

[@gabeswitala2292]

​@@davidframe1613like when michigan state gets beat by central.

[@larrybeckelhimer8386]

I can't think of anybody wanting a Catholic School in their conference like N.D. They are not relevant any more like they use to be. They are living in the past and everybody around them are also. They haven't proved that they are title contenders yet but they think they are. We will see after they lose 2 to 3 games maybe 4 this year.

[@bowdenfannole]

I think the SEC is the more likely negotiated landing spot with ESPN. This isn’t ultimately an ACC issue, it’s an ESPN issue.

[@billbixby5508]

This whole mess is a ESPN issue.

[@hufferbillypaw]

Actually, the ACC holds the GOR, not ESPN.

[@charlielockhart8017]

ESPN offered the pac 12 30million a year and they were stupid not too take it, if the ACC had anybody that brought something to the table financially besides FSU and Clemson they would not be in this position. Plus the terrible deal they signed with ESPN who has pretty much turned the ACC into their bitch at the negotiable table, the only thing that will keep the ACC alive in the future maybe will be that terrible deal they signed cuz it last so long and that’s a big maybe. I imagine that ESPN will have to ask itself do we really want to keep this conferences product on our programming when we’re loosing money Disney plus and alot of other things. If that question answer is yes that will keep it going but definitely not going to make the conference anymore money than they are now

[@karlsauerwein5862]

I agree FSU or Clemson are not AAU cerified and that is a big deal to the Big 10. So Big 10 aint happening for FSU. Unless they have a back door deal with the SEC which is possible they could end up to the Big 12 or no where..

[@patrickrushing5523]

@@billbixby5508 real talk they wanna keep Fsu down and from beating one of the SEC best

[@flightofthekingfisher9766]

How much extra value does FSU bring the big ten with home revenue excluded? Those big ten home games would have happened with or without FSU, so having FSU as your home opponent would need to be enough to justify an increased payout. How does one calculate that? It’s not just about making the finances work for FSU, it has to make sense for the BIG 10.

[@elliottcrews4997]

This is just click bait for the fanatical fans. Notice how earlier he was playing up how likely it was the there would be an announcement by Aug. 15th and now in this video he's backing off from that? When there's no announcement he will have a new scenario involving how FSU is working behind the scenes and the big announcement will be next year at this time. It's like those dooms day profits when the day the world ends comes and goes with nothing happening. Then just offer some reason and then give us a new date.

[@observer46-vh5bm]

It would be a pain for the B1G and FSU, but that could theoretically work. FSU could schedule the non-league cupcakes at home and also play teams like Rutgers, Maryland, Purdue, Indiana, Illinois, etc. at home. Save the big time games for the road. The Miami game would be eliminated, though every other year, the UF game would be at home. FSU would not play any ACC games, except games like BC in Tallahassee. That move would significantly decrease the value of the FSU GOR. Would the fans hate it? Probably. Would it bring a settlement with ACC and ESPN? Maybe or maybe not. Who knows. If Clemson did the same thing, the value of the ACC package would be significantly lower. How would ESPN react if the two biggest football schools did that? Will any of this happen? Probably not, but it is not necessarily totally nuts.

[@jabba682]

Wow this is such click bait and ifs and buts were candy and nuts we would all have a merry Christmas until something changes drastically its all pure speculation at best

[@sberry55]

​@elliottcrews4997 THIS! Too much sunshine and roses on this channel instead of realistic scenarios

[@terryrich4889]

At this point I think acc should sue espn for unfair business practice. The acc signed a contract similar in range with the sec and big 10 for the same interest. Two years later espn pay the sec 2 times the money causing much harm to the acc. They new what they were doing. Espn is the reason college football is in a money frenzy. When espn pruchase the sec total package, It forced CBS to find another conference. Big 10 was the only conference available at the time and Fox owned big10 tier 1games. CBS desperate for a league, was froced to grabbed tier 2. Then NBC also desperate and only had Notre Dame wanted a league to for Saturdays night took the tier 3 games. The ACC was stuck with the bad faith deal of espn and pac 12 and big 12 new was not till 2024. However pac 12 fell apart, ACC heavy strained fs and Clemson wanting more money, big 12 loosing Texas and Oklahoma regrouping with a group 5 teams and now formerly pac 12 teams. I espn would never paid sec twice the amount the i dont thinkwe would be at this juncture. As a acc fan cant blame fs and clemson for wanting more money. The acc will be fine, just need a better commish.

[@amac701]

The grant of rights is with the ACC, not ESPN. ESPN pays the ACC to distribute the games. Those are two different things. If FSU goes to the SEC, the ACC still owns their gor and will get paid for FSU home games, not the SEC. Just because ESPN has agreements with the ACC and the SEC doesn't mean FSU can just swap conferences and take their grant of rights with them.

[@Doc_Boots]

I am less worried about finding a way out of the ACC and more worried that there is no solid offer under the table from BIG or SEC

[@flch95]

True…we’d definitely be the laughingstock at that point.

[@PhilsHobbyRoom]

I think there is offers for landing spots but the power to be are keeping everything under the table 😊

[@nah3193]

It's not like they're going to publicly offer us or bid on us...hasn't happened with a single school

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

There isn't nobody wants the mid-grade .500 Noles.HAHA BEGGERS CANT BE CHOOSE. I LOVE IT. WELL JUST THANK OLE JIMBO, AND WINSTON THEY BOTH MADE Y’ALL UNDESIRABLE 😂😂😂

[@goatiestgoat12]

They can not get an official offer from BIG, SEC, thats tampering, and would be a lawsuit, I believe SEC, have told them they have an offer unofficially when they get out of GOR, just my opinion

[@ericphipps1285]

Hope to see FSU & Clemson in the SEC soon.

[@Know26874]

College football should have relegation, the SEC west to the big 12 and the east to the ACC.. bottlom 3 on each side, and top 3 from the ACC and big 12 should promote up from each side

[@lifeinvestments6329]

No sec the big 10 let's go

[@SportHawk717]

💯

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

CLEMSON YEP, BUT AS OF TUESDAY I KNOW FOR A FACT THE SEC HAS ALREADY SAID NO😢😢😅😅

[@larrybeckelhimer8386]

Not happening.

[@TallyHo850]

The Florida Legislators can stop a lawsuit to any state entity just ask Texas Tech an Mark Leach

[@thomasmurphy171]

If that’s true, FSU should just bolt and hope that DeSantis can clean up the mess.

[@kensummerlin180]

Not in North Carolina they can't...

[@DKDUBB24]

​@@thomasmurphy171DeSantis son is a walk on at uf he ain't helping them 😂

[@gabeswitala2292]

​@@kensummerlin180oh yes they can. It's called sovereign immunity. And it applies to any and ever college and university in America.

[@kensummerlin180]

@@gabeswitala2292 The ACC is headquartered in Greensboro NC. Any lawsuit filed against the conference regarding matters of this nature will be heard in North Carolina.

[@Mike-sp7zv]

If they could leave they would

[@alanmartin2736]

Doesn't FSU need to figure out how to beat Wake Forest before they need to worry about the Playoff?

[@garygudnason280]

This is not true. If it were true, FSU and other schools would have left already. The ACC GOR is based on the Big12 and both GOR's have been reviewed by schools in both conferences over past few years. It is solid. It is a false claim to say that ESPN owns the rights. It is a fact that the GOR gives the rights to the conference - that is what the contract does. I have seen other sources, particularly The Monty show which says the Big10 doesn't want FSU because of academics and the SEC won't take FSU because U of Florida will not allow it. The SEC respects Florida's position more than Texas A&M. And, with expansion, the SEC wants to move up the coast, so they would go after UNC and Virginia. If FSU leaves the ACC, they could end up having to go to the Big12 which pays out about the same as the ACC, so what would be the point. FSU needs to be sure they have a landing spot that they want before shitting the can. This is the language from the ACC Grant of Rights agreement. It clearly says the ACC owns the rights - "1. Grant of Rights. Each of the Member Institutions hereby (a) irrevocably and exclusively grants to the Conference during the Term (as defined below) all rights (the "Rights") necessary for the Conference to perform the contractual obligations of the Conference expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement, regardless of whether such Member Institution remains a member of the Conference during the entirety of the Term and (b) agrees to satisfy and perform all contractual obligations of a Member Institution during the Term that-are expressly set forth in the ESPN Agreement. "

[@Keith_X]

It’s almost expected that the leadership would allow ND a full vote because it’s absurd. ND will continue to take advantage of them as long as they’re allowed to. They’ll take what they can get and not join in football. Why would they?

[@bowdenfannole]

The reality of how this would all play out though is a complete mess. 6 B1G road games?

[@averagejoe9249]

That would be horrible

[@trclark7689]

Is 6 B1G road games worth being on equal footing and competitive with the B1G and SEC worth it? Or would we rather stay in the ACC and make peanuts?

[@daveh2814]

"Breaking News! The ACC ONLY owns ALL of the television rights FSU had prior to the GOR!" That's called a feature, not a flaw. You can't grant something you don't have. And once granted, there is no entitlement to having it back. You don't need get back YOUR rights; you need to get THEIR rights. Any pathway to early demise of the GOR is via the ESPN contract. The express purpose of the GOR is to fulfill the TV contract. Get ESPN to blow/screw that up and then you may have something. Otherwise, pay the exit fee; go wherever it is you are going; and get paid for TV starting in 2037. In the meantime, whatever you make off of TV goes to the ACC. And no, dissolution to void the GOR by majority vote doesn't fly either. ACC bylaws have a process to address the GOR. And there is also a process to leave. By publicly announcing that the purpose of dissolution would be to void the GOR to avoid paying damages, an item which can be addressed via the existing bylaws, schools wishing to depart will pay the same monetary damages they would otherwise. Judge: Why do you want to dissolve?" Mag 7: "Oh, no reason. We're just kind of bored." Judge: "Well there are these public statements..." Mag 7: "Did we say that? We're sure that's not what we meant"

[@keithinblunt7842]

I want fsu in the BIG 10 , The SEC is not going to give fsu more money for the value big 10 ! big 10 ! Big 10 fsu and Clemson let’s go !!

[@karlsauerwein5862]

Dont see it because of thr AAU thing.. Miami could end up in the Big 10 though if the ACC breaks apart.

[@EmHotep4520]

The B1G would work something out with the AAU people to get FSU certified, I opine, if they want FSU. However, Idy e fine if they only got Miami instead.

[@VanLifeStorytelling]

TJ, if the fact stated that the GOR only applies to FSU's home games then WHY is no one else bringing this up? Also, are you planning to interview Coach Pensky soon? Thanks for everything you do.

[@DoubleFriesNoSlaw]

Hi there! It's something that can't be proven beyond a shadow of a doubt because we can't see the ACC/ESPN contract, but it's something many experts believe to be true based on deals with ND and other similar agreements. I may try to interview him on the DFNS Sports channel! www.youtube.com/@nolessports

[@VanLifeStorytelling]

@@DoubleFriesNoSlaw Very good and thanks for the explanation and look forward to the interview with Brian

[@jaysmith7725]

FSU and Clemson are hot commodities FSU did this

[@sleepyg2011]

If that was the case they would of the SEC would of invited OU, Texas, Clemson, FSU, simultaneously which translates Clemson and FSU will be invited to the the Big 10.

[@tedpeters896]

The Big Ten should go to 24 teams in 4 divisions of 6 teams each by adding Stanford, Cal, Clemson, FSU and Notre Dame! Then it would be a "nantional conference" from sea to shining sea AND it would preseve traditional rivalries and minimise travel expences (by putting all 6 west coast in one division).

[@kevinmilner9066]

That makes way too much sense. But, you make as good a point is anybody with that suggestion.

[@duhdoy08]

Stanford and cal? Yuck. Now way. I would rather see utah and vatech than the former.

[@blacksportsguru]

Cal and Sanford suck. They belong in the ivy league

[@damarusstephens8023]

You can't count

[@kewlball]

I think the national brand is the goal anyway. FSU and Clemson would be great additions to the B1G. The problem is, adding Stanford and Cal does nothing to move the Football meter. Going after a Texas school would be a much better idea. Then pull in ND and Maybe NC and VA or WVA.

[@jeffherman6330]

FSU only option is Big 10. ESPN isn't interested in negotiating with themselves to pay FSU more.

[@Sire638]

PROBLEM WITH GOOBER THEORY IS A)HE'S WRONG B)BIG 10 DON'T WANT GANGSTER FSU LMAO

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

FACTS 😂😂

[@ianfg8082]

We hope you are right, but in worst case scenario FSU will have to wait one or two more years. There will be a time very soon that 8 or more schools will want to leave. The Big 12 will pay more than the ACC, and even schools like Louisville and Pitt will want to leave.

[@SuperWarJam]

Yeah I can see the Big12 wanting Louisville and Pitt.

[@elliottcrews4997]

The ACC passes the B12 in TV revenue per school after 2026. Look at the chart he put up on this video. There's no incentive for any ACC school without a seat in the B10 or SEC join a mutiny group. Even if some schools eventually depart the ACC in 5 - 7 years, the ACC still makes sense to remain in.

[@terryrich4889]

Like the fact that fs and Clemson want to leave and i hope they can leave soon as possible. It's best for fs, Clemson and acc. Once they leave the acc can focus on thier future. Also you guy's can stop complaining about it. If the sec or big ten can't take them they should go independent, to establish the true value. Acc commish should help them leave then he can focus on new growth.

[@livingadreamlife1428]

The value analysis leading to the host’s conclusion of FSU being worth 3x more than what the ACC is paying is faulty. A team is worth the additional rights fees that it can bring to a conference. Viewers = rights fees. To the SEC, is FSU going to bring in “additional viewers” in the state of Florida that UF currently doesn’t that would justify ESPN accordingly increasing SEC rights fees? Noles have a following but would only grow financially pie slightly larger in that respect. SEC and ESPN taking FSU would be more of a Defensive move vs the Big 10 than a windfall to the other SEC schools. FSU and, for that matter, Clem would make good opponents and attractive match ups for TV, however. However, they wouldn’t add TV markets that the SEC doesn’t already have. SEC will add UNC and Miami along with FSU and Clem and then call it a day.

[@michaellotz7875]

You state that the home team owns the GoR. So FSU joins the big ten, and loses the GoR money for away games and keeps the ACC GoR for home games while playing at home against Big Ten teams? That sounds incredibly dumb.

[@clemsonowns]

If only it were that easy.

[@ThisIsGonnaBFine]

You're absolutely right; these TALKING HEADS are Hilarious!!!

[@hunterporth3302]

not an insider to Clemson Football but A couple buddies of mine who follows their athletic programs on a consistent basis and are very knowledgeable of what goes on inside the program and i recently talked to them and they’re saying Clemson Is probably going to stay in the ACC because of the fact that the ACC has decided to step into expansion their wanting to see if the actual commissioner of the ACC can bring in some solid teams because of what I have heard due to the fact that Cal and Stanford were denied membership Clemson and some other teams are saying they want the ACC to grab At least 1 team that Currently in the SEC with either South Carolina because of their rivalry with Clemson and Kentucky dues to how much revenue they can raise for their basketball program to play school like Duke and North Carolina on a Consistent basis knowing how much money the games Duke and UNC make. Purdue and Rutgers of the Big Ten West Virginia, Appalachian State, East Carolina and one top tier FCS Schools on the East Coast that has the ability to make a jump up to Power 5 Competition not saying that that going to happen but that what most of the Schools in the ACC want to happen

[@CaydensDaddio]

Each Acc school gets 17m from the primary media deal & approx 10m from the ACC network, which is based on subscriptions. So if FSU leaves, how much does that $17m drop per school annually? The ACC w/o FSU & Clemson is worth what? And wouldn't Clemson have to pay half that? We know UNC's Bubba said that schools should suck it up (GOR) until 2036, so we know the Tar Heels aren't leaving (lol). W/O FSU/Clemson, is the conference worth $14m now? 17-14=3. 3x12=36. 36÷2=18. So FSU/Clemson owes about 18m each annually? Does new members offset that number any? Certainly they have some worth? How many subscribers does the ACC network lose? Miami still covers Florida, so how many subscribers are lost in SC? How many new subs will new members bring like Memphis, SMU or UConn? ACC would probably gain subs. Why try to keep schools that don't want to be there hostage if financially you are not damaged? Why make this hard?

[@elliottcrews4997]

Your numbers are off. Last year the total payout to each school averaged $39.4 million and this year is expected to be about $42 million. Now that was everything from the base media contract, the ACCN, NCAAT units, bowl games etc. But the base media deal was more than 17 million, significantly more. They didn't get the Orange Bowl money and had fewer schools that usual in and advancing in the NCAAT this year.

[@CaydensDaddio]

@elliottcrews4997 I was just doing my best guess on the media deal only. The media Deal is what the GOR is based on and that's what needs to be negotiated.

[@elliottcrews4997]

@@CaydensDaddio I understand, but even then 17 million is much less than the tier 1 & 2 payout that they got. 39 million minus 10 million for ACCN is 29 million, no significant bowl money since they didn't get the usual 27 million for the Orange Bowl because it was a CFP bowl that year. NCCAT units I don't know how much, I imagine tier 1/2 media was around 23-25 million.

[@CaydensDaddio]

@@elliottcrews4997 original media deal is for $17.9m per year per team. That's the problem. They get just under $10m from the ACC network.

[@TNBuckeye1617]

There are a lot of comments suggesting how really any ACC team could abide by their grant of rights while playing the media game dirty. Does the ACC really want that fight or would they rather negotiate a fair deal?

[@CaydensDaddio]

Scenario reminds me of FSU's Octoberfest in the early 80's. FSU plays B1G's or SEC's best on the road while getting the B1G's or SEC's lower ratings schools at home for the next 13 years. Road games at Ohio State, Michigan. Home games vs Rutgers, Indiana. Or Road games at Alabama, Georgia with home games against Vandy, Miss State

[@petechau9616]

In the 80s Miami played Michigan twice both at Ann Arbor-the B10 insisted the games be played at home because they lose alot of money if they schedule a home and home. Michigan has a point they guarantee a sellout in Ann Arbor which means 110,000 paid fans. Miami plays in a 75,000 seat stadium and they do not guarantee a sell out. FWIW: FSU in those days were independent and could liberally schedule anyone. FSU in those days were road warriors.

[@czellner5894]

TJ ya'll have done the best and most consistent job covering this story! Thanks for all the hard work and dedication. 👍

[@roderickhogan4566]

The sec going to try there best to not let the B1G get Florida and Clemson that would be a big blow to the SEC

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

WRONG, SEC HAS ALREADY MET AND SAID NOPE. WE DON'T WANT FSU😂 GIVE ME A BREAK WHAT CAN FSU BRING TO THE TABLE IN THE SEC?? MEDIOCRE AT BEST.... WE AT ALABAMA ARE GOING TO JUST KEEP RAIDING SOUTH FLORIDA, AND SNAGGING THE WIPEOUT WRS. CAN YOU SAY FRENCH😂😂 , AND JUST SO YOU KNOW BOLDEN WANTED IN ALABAMA'S 24 CLASS, BUT HE MESSED UP, AND BROUGHT NIL INTO IT. SABAN DON'T HAVE TO BOW DOWN NOR WILL HE FOR RECRUITS. THE IRS IS ALREADY LOOKING AT Y’ALL ALONG WITH SEVERAL. CORMANI MCCLEAN WOULD BE AT BABA NOW, BUT HE TRIED THE SAME SHIT. WE'LL LET Y’ALL, AND THE BOOGER EATERS TAKE IT UP THE PIPE HOLE. OH YEAH, NEWS FLASH PAT SURTAIN SR. IS ON HIS WAY TO TTOWN WATCH. HIM AND T-ROB WILL OWN THE STATE OF FLORIDA.

[@seekingthetruth2748]

Florida is already in the SEC. Unless you mean FSU

[@roderickhogan4566]

@@seekingthetruth2748 yeah meant FSU

[@David-yv6ow]

if you think Big Ten’s going to offer, FSU a Michigan, Ohio State or Penn State sized cut of the pie, maybe you should ask Oregon how that worked out.

[@CLTrattler704]

Very interesting. Thanks for the insight. I pray Miami and UNC can some way get out of the ACC as well. The conference leadership really screwed the teams over with the is GOR deal and giving ND more power than they deserve.

[@Ryan-vq5ur]

I think Miami and UNC will end up in the B1G

[@fightingcarp]

UNC would never leave the ACC unless the conference dissolved. I guarantee that 99% of UNC fans that want this never attended a class in Chapel Hill

[@CLTrattler704]

If the ACC remains “As Is” until 2036 or loses Clemson and FSU, it will most likely be relegated as a “group of 5 school” for all practical purposes. This conference will be so far behind in terms of athletic revenue, it will be struggling to compete with the Big XII schools let alone the BIG and SEC..

[@camm8642]

​@@fightingcarpword

[@davidframe1613]

I made the same argument that Notre Dame should not get a say because it's a football decision but as someone pointed out it's not a football decision, it's about the whole school and the conference not just football. So if Notre Dame votes to add two teams they're actually voting to add the whole school, the basketball team and everything else that's also not football. If Notre Dame votes not to break the conference up they're voting for everything else that's not football also. But the ACC should have made Notre Dame join the conference as a full member years ago or kick them out. I know the SEC and Big ten would never allow that. I don't think the Big 12 would either. If the ACC breaks up Notre Dame will go independent they have no choice.

[@markmamone9779]

Since ESPN actually owns the GOR and not the ACC, it's my understanding that since ESPN also owns the SEC GOR, they could simply allow FSU & Clemson to transfer to the SEC by only paying the exit fee to the ACC.

[@NOLENATION96]

Correct but we have to keep in mind FSU would still be under contract for the 30mil a year unless espn was will8ng to renegotiate that part of it.

[@anoutoftheboxdesign]

so you spend 120mil to get out of a conference to go to a tougher conference and make the same money while everyone else in that conference makes more money.... for thirteen more years so you can't even make back the 120 mil.... wow let's do it.... really? and no ESPN would not renegotiate in that situation. why would they just want to hand out more money when they already have you locked up?

[@elliottcrews4997]

ESPN is not a party to the GOR. That is a contract between the conference and the member institutions. The ACC owns the GOR and negotiated the media contract that makes ESPN the media company that broadcasts the game. ESPN pays the ACC, that doesn't make them the owners of the GOR. ESPN has to pay the ACC if they broadcast an FSU home game. Even if FSU "transferred" to the SEC the check still goes to Charlotte.

[@vcuheel1464]

Most teams play 7-8 home games, not 6. You’re totally forgetting OOC games. Even if your theory and numbers are correct, the math comes to $60 million a year for an average of 7.5 home games per season. If FSU left after this season, then that would mean 12 years covering that until the GOR expires in 2036. That’s $720 million that the Big Ten would have to cover over that time. Why in the world would the Big Ten do that? They won’t. Your SEC point is completely wrong. It’s not about ESPN losing the revenue. They wouldn’t care either way. ESPN would just be paying ACC teams revenue for FSU’s games while they were in the SEC. It’s FSU that would be losing all of that revenue. ESPN isn’t going to double up their payments to cover FSU’s losses. Neither would the SEC. FSU can talk all they want, but they (and other ACC schools) will have to find a way to nullify the GOR for any move to be remotely feasible from a revenue perspective. It might become feasible when we get close to the end of this GOR, but that won’t be for at least another 5-6 years. To move earlier, they’re going to have to get that 8 team coalition together and hope that would suffice legally. The whole reason that you had 4 schools vote against adding Stanford/Cal is all about maintaining that voting block. If they were added, then you’d need 9 schools instead of 8 to dissolve the GOR. Add SMU too and you’d need 10 schools to end the GOR. There are probably 6-7 teams that would vote to end the GOR and they don’t want their votes diluted by adding more teams. You have 6-7 ACC schools with nowhere else to go that would love to add 2-3 more schools that would be part of their voting block. Then there are a few schools in the middle who currently wouldn’t vote to end the GOR but could possibly be persuadable if they knew they had a solid longterm landing spot. But getting those last couple of schools on board is going to be tough. I’m skeptical that it will happen.

[@75Froggie]

You say there is some loophole in the ACC GOR advantageous to FSU because of its hypothetical TV revenue-generating value to the B1G. This is a matter of legal analysis, but you cite no provisions of the ACC GOR agreement. You don't even mention credible sources for your premise, which in this case would be the opinions of reputable lawyers informed as to the GOR. This sounds like b.s. circulating at a kegger.

[@nolessgifted6333]

No chance. Hope prayers. You guys aren’t leaving anytime soon. So bask in the glory of the ACC. Only two teams have a place to go. The other 12 don’t.

[@Makise3]

Just imagine if nobody was allowed to drive a gas powered vehicle and could only drive electric right now. There would be chaos all across America.

[@markraymond7667]

If the rumor is true that the SEC is willing to go to 9 conference games if ESPN agrees to more teams added at a full share, then it sounds like path into the SEC is easier than into the Big Ten. Going to 9 conference games with Clemson and Florida State in the league makes the deal much more palatable to Florida and South Carolina who can convert those non-conference games into conference games.

[@bradleybrown5614]

FSU could play 6 away games at other BigTen schools and then play 6 “home” games at neutral sites near their home stadium but not in their home stadium.

[@richardalbrecht5702]

From your lips to God's ears! At this point, I am happy going to B1G or SEC. Either will be a stable long term situation for FSU. I just want us to FINALLY right the wrongs cause by Eric Barron and Stan Wilcox. Both of these men made terrible decisions for FSU and have since left and FSU is left holding the bag. Time to right this wrong.

[@TheAboykin2269]

All this movement and breaking up conferences is as stupid as the transfer portal. Stay where you are and make YOUR team and YOUR conference better. Period. The grass ain't always greener, it just looks that way from afar!

[@Clemsonalumnus]

If it stipulates playing at your home field, what happens if Clemson plays at Doak Campbell and FSU plays at Death Valley for a couple of years while the ACC implodes?

[@FelixChavez-cd9tf]

Good show ~ I hope FSU and Clemson are able to leave the AAC. It was dumb for the AAC to ever agree to a 20-year deal~stupid. My hope is FSU & Clemson join the SEC.

[@richardswells3335]

Where does the money go if we have to pay the acc anything? Do they divide it up to the remaining schools? Or does the acc office keep that money? It's crazy ...

[@elliottcrews4997]

equal shares

[@richardswells3335]

@@elliottcrews4997 so if they add new schools...that money would go to them as an incentive to join? Otherwise, the remaining schools would reap a benefit of them leaving.

[@amac701]

We are all really looking forward to next year @Gary Chadwick. This is going to be fun.

[@charlierose1230]

So only half our games would be televised? Big 10 not just going to let these league games go to espn.

[@kellychurch8476]

The gor is with the acc not espn. Even of they went to sec they would still have to pay the acc thier home games.

[@seangotti2843]

ESPN owns the acc network dummy

[@tedd8055]

Everyone's a lawyer.

[@tombarbee7669]

F'ng idiots. Never played a sport in their lives; only attachment they have to the university is a T-shirt from Walmart, but they all know what no one else does...

[@amac701]

FSU all brakes, no gas. You should have educated all those FSU lawyers on how easy it is to get out of the grant of rights. What happened?

[@SportHawk717]

FSU HAS TO GET OUT SOONER rather than LATER!!! It is too big a brand and good of a school to be stuck languishing in the crappy ACC. ACC is holding FSU and a few others BACK!!!!

[@kensummerlin180]

Bullshit...Wake Forest ran the score up on FSU's ass. Get over yourself already. Fl St has the delusional fan base of any school, well, 2nd behind Noder Dumb

[@wcc1212]

That is an interesting observation. It doesnt include the possibility of provving financial damages from ACC decisions.

[@dennisculpepper3630]

Y'all are still in the acc🙄

[@kensummerlin180]

To leave it's gonna cost between 400-500 million dollars

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

Big 10 should max out at 24 . Go get UNC , Florida State , Miami , Virginia, Stanford ND or Clemson .

[@emills291]

The B1G is waiting on ND and UNC, that’s why they passed on Stanford and Cal. I honestly don’t think the SEC is ever gonna go against Florida blocking FSU from coming into that conference. Even if the B1G goes to 24 when the ACC implodes, FSU has to beat out Miami, UNC, UVA, Stanford, Cal, and ND. You’re really looking at having to restructure the ACC or go to the Big12.

[@El_Compa2023]

Just get an agreement with FAMU and play all home games there as a neutral game. Problem solved and you're welcome FSU for all the lawyers' fees I saved you.

[@freemanreed5228]

Good one!!!! Lol, FSU is not getting out of the grant of rights. Why did they sign a grant of rights for more than 10 years to begin with?!!!! FSU is doomed!!!! Lol, they deserve it!

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

That isn't an out. You'd still have home games even if you play them someplace else... including in a 22000 seat stadium a mile away from your home stadium.

[@user-fv9dr8gf7f]

Commissioner Philips claimed the ACC is the 3rd highest revenue generator of all the P% conferences but you have the ACC 5th (last) in your chart. USA Today reported that the ACC's total revenue in 2022 was $617M, with a $37.9 to $41.3 per school payout in '22, 3rd highest among power 5. Your chart shows $30.9 per ACC team, dead last among the power 5. What source could a skeptic refer to in order to determine whose "facts" are, indeed, factual?

[@amac701]

The payout for the Big 12 in 2022 was 44 million. What I have seen is that the ACC is fourth just ahead of the PAC, which was reported by CBS sports and sports illustrated. But I'm sure there's lots of conflicting information out there.

[@nah3193]

The cost of staying is much higher than the cost of leaving in the long term(not even that long) so it's just a matter of how and when

[@MrJohnnyBlaise]

Miami doesn't want to leave the ACC, why? Makes sense to go Independent or joining even the Big 12 since Mario is taking the team progressing to a bowl game/ CFP. I get it that FSU and Miami probably won't be in the same league soon

[@markjf131]

Miami has a landing spot in the BIG 10 when the time comes.

[@trclark7689]

@@markjf131 Miami has a landing spot ONLY if the Big 10 wants to go past 20. At some point, these conferences are going to reach their maximum limit.

[@susanmoss7938]

Happy August 16th (e.g. Happy FSU is Still in the ACC Day)

[@Donovan_Williams]

Does the GOR apply to an FSU "home game" played in Orlando or the Seminole Hard Rock (aka Doak South)? Does it apply to neutral site games, like the kickoff classic? Does it apply to playoff games or bowl games?

[@jamesnelson6381]

It applies to any game where FSU is officially the home team.

[@hawkeye790]

I'm afraid that your economic argument for working around the GOR more closely resembles "VOODOO" economics. I highly doubt that either the SEC or the B1G, or their members for that matter, value FSU so highly that they are willing to payout millions.

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

Better believe it

[@danhauser3361]

I do think if we wanted in California…which is dubious….a Stanford ( Oliver Luck and family connection ) and San Diego State would get us in the north and south and both would add to BB and other sports…..swimming and baseball and track. Cal? Not!!! But should wait till ACC play is determined! I personally think the schools will not pull a PAC12 debacle … and Notre Dame will keep them together! Although a FSU exit might be a good thing for them both! Clemson would end up being the big dog and may surprise you that being a big fish in a smaller bowl may be a better deal…especially if they can get ND to commit further to the mission!!

[@zoe_zucci]

When is this going to happen. The nation is laughing at us.

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

YEP😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnchristopherjackson9416]

It's not buddy... good for y’all. The MIGHTY NOLES SUCH A BIG DEAL, BUT NOBODY WANTS THE NOLES... MUST BE A SURREAL, HUMBLING EXPERIENCE GETTING EXPOSED. THEN BOLDEN TELLS ON YOUR COLLECTIVE 😂😂😂 AWESOME WORK!! I HEAR IRS...

[@zoe_zucci]

@@johnchristopherjackson9416 there is not a conference that wouldn’t want the Noles.

[@Angrygumballl]

Rutgers injects over 150 million dollars annually through their cable subscription before a ball is even snapped in the Big Ten season😂😂😂

[@JustinSeay-r8i]

Clickbait title, there is no loophole found.

[@aubreymiles2193]

They might well forget about it they is Iron Claw

[@robertm1122]

What person signed the original deal?

[@Needmo]

As of right now Georgia, Alabama, can play with anyone as long as the game is in the south. Now send Georgia, And ALABAMA into Wisconsin, Iowa in December and see how good they are. The rest of the SEC Are no stronger than another conference.

[@edbagley2743]

You missed the increased carriage fees for FOX with B1G having a school in Florida

[@MrJara1018]

So ESPN has SEC games and ACC games … espn is going to agree to pay Clemson and FSU more money just because…… Espn is going to bid against itself? The move is to the B10

[@INFAMOUSfrontRunn3r]

If GoR is for fball only all they would have to do is make a deal with FOX and B1G and pay the big money to basketbal and small amount to footballl. If this is possible that might force espn to the table but im sure they have already thought of that.

[@Iamjustavibe]

If we could leave,we would be gone....

[@ThisIsGonnaBFine]

Finally a Man who truly understands, which is opposite of the TALKING HEAD in this video. 😂😂😂

[@GamingHistorySource]

HOLY CRAP ! This is genius !

[@johnshields8992]

Blah,blah,blah. Fsu is still in the ACC !

[@afrocapricorn1]

Yes to s degree its about money 💰💰💰,but each school THAT wants to leave are in much different financial stability/or lack there of, FSU, is kind of between a 🪨 rock and a hard place, simply put for them, its loosing 30-40 million dollars 💵 each year , per difference of the conference that they're trying to leave too, not to mention when that would be the case, also even if another conference comes calling its not assured they are getting full shares yet either, especially for the first at least 2-3 years or so, I mean youre looking at 450-500 million dollars here plus a couple years in the new conference without equal revenue sharing as well... Clemson is in a bit of a better position, UNC, needs MORE 💰💰💰 money, for basketball 🏀 if they can grab it eventually, just a 🤔 thought though.....

[@Patrick-sg7cm]

Simply put, just don't schedule any home games. Problem solved, lol.

[@rafaelrodriguez1088]

When was last Florida State bet Clemson's please tell me an if They go to big 10 or sec who can Bet

[@TroyHarperGoBucksGo]

Do it FSU ! Matter of fact have all the schools the big 10 schools want tondo it

[@thetruth1446]

Sec want FSU to go to the BIG10 to grab up Clemson

[@hunterschwartz7738]

If they could leave they would have already

[@gearmonkey5904]

I believe that the SEC is the logical place considering the espn contract in place. FSU walks from the acc to the SEC with no break in the contract with espn. Bye bye acc 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@silversurfer647]

I'll take FSU in the SEC, any day. Forget the Big 10. Nothing like warm weather, southern football...all day any day.

[@TheDisruptiveOne]

The GOR is disastrous. Going to be a distance 4th in media rights by the time it expires.

[@elliottcrews4997]

Actually by 2026 or 27 the ACC passes the B12 and pulls significantly ahead. This guy even showed that on a chart he put up. Remember the ACC has it's own network that is surpassing projections and paid each school 10 million this last year.

[@johnsowers352]

It’s just a giant mess n I don’t expect anything to happen this year

[@Oscar-uk5sq]

Hope they work out something with the Jags and host home games in Jacksonville 😂😅

[@nerinamak3298]

I guess the ACC got a bunch of ambulance chasers to write this contract, not.

[@CharlesFosterMalloy]

Resume: 5;00

[@bubbawatson1852]

Florida state. Clemson. Virginia. Georgia tech. Going to sec. Duke. Louisville. Miami. N.c.state. Notre dame. Pittsburgh. Big 10 bound. Couple to big east. And other spots

[@edcarman4704]

You're double slaw no fries on this one.

[@SteveGuitar]

Have you ever posted a vid before 8:30am? Timing is interesting🤔. Almost like something big will start today

[@DoubleFriesNoSlaw]

I've been doing more around 10, but we go live at 11 am on Fridays so wanted to get this out faster so they weren't "competing" with each other lol.

[@douglascohen2521]

Agree!!!

[@SteveGuitar]

👍👍👍 And is this related to the smoke tweet? 😎

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

I mean, there's a lot here to point out. FSU plays 1 sec game on rotation. The acc having fsu's rights does not mean they get to keep the money but that doesn't mean the big 10 wants this cluster where the acc has four or five of their games. Would the acc really want them either? They would almost certainly go into the acc's best time slots because espn chooses what to air. Fsu does not play six conference away games.

[@elliottcrews4997]

Any home game, even if it's played at another site, as long as FSU is designated as the home team, that is shown on TV will have the payment sent to the ACC. At the end of the year that FSU home game money will go to the current ACC schools. It will be like having an extra team that you don't have to pay each year. That's why the only way FSU gets out of the ACC is buy negotiating a buyout of their GOR. They are going to have to write a big check or stay with us. These crazy loopholes are nothing more that internet logic. Legal logic is a whole different thing.

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

@elliottcrews4997 well, you can research legal logic. There aren't gor agreements where courts sided with the holder who then benefits off the rights and doesn't have to pay the creator. You won't find that. That layer is a crazy thing people came up with on these message boards and didn't find in precedent. Any precedent you find where a court forces one party to labor and receive no benefit would be of interest too. Let me know what you find.

[@elliottcrews4997]

@@benjaminhawkes6693 Two parties enter into a contract and one of them refuses to complete their end of the bargain. When they go to court, who wins?

[@benjaminhawkes6693]

@elliottcrews4997 I'm saying they won't win that, courts prefer damages but specific performance is a possibility, free labor is not, it's specifically not. If the acc won some judgement to keep the rights, they would not also be able to keep the money. The court would probably enforce a divorce here though with monetary damages. It's too complex otherwise. I could see them telling fsu to remain, especially if fsu didn't give the acc time to adjust. But that specific performance would be temporary.

[@elliottcrews4997]

@@benjaminhawkes6693 Don't you think it would be a lawsuit if FSU tried to do this, resulting in a judgement in favor of the ACC that places a $ number on FSU to pay, thus satisfying the contract?

[@rickstclair2217]

they can leave anytime they want, hope they do. would not count on avoiding big legal bills on top of other big bills. good luck

[@amac701]

If FSU is feeling so froggy, then jump already! Quit talking and make it happen. Maybe you should reach out to the FSU attorneys and administration to educate them.

[@chirocket4791]

youtube legal experts are so good

[@hearmeout9138]

Well, welcome to the Big12 guys. 😂