ACC Expansion NOT needed? SMU wants to be a BIG PLAYER in league l College Football Podcast

[@jeffwatson151]

i'm a Canes fan; I liked Rhett Lashlee he's gonna do good things out there.

[@tomk537]

I hope SMU really climbs back up - Hoping then ACC can merge with PAC2 and grab a Tulane and USF and maybe UCONN after the fallout of realignment

[@seanevans9329]

SMU just provided a blueprint to counteract t.v. contracts.. not fully but it helps the non" blue bloods".

[@jpDragna]

They were raising that much in the 80s, this was nothing to them now. It's a private school in downtown Dallas, where a lot of people with real estate and oil money where football is important and SMU holds a place in their heart that UT (Austin), A&M (middle of Waco/Austin/Houston triangle), Houston, and others just don't hit. This is a private university in a big city of football fans that don't have a lot of other local options. The money was there.

[@frictionhitch]

The background! lol Spencer is a nerd amongst nerds. I love it!

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

:)

[@mikefredd3390]

I’m picture Dr. Evil with his pinky at the corner of his mouth saying $150 MILLION dollars.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

Hahaha I like that

[@WestVirginia002]

SMU was successful before paying players.

[@yellowmartian]

Yeah...in the late 70s and early 80s....when they were paying players. 😂

[@mindaxiom3651]

They're important to BYU this season as well;

[@PerunaMuayThai]

Keep in mind that less the media money, SMU will still be paid more from the conference than the entire American Athletic payout they received

[@brandonh5360]

They’re still going to at least add USF

[@tarheel7406]

Who will add and why?

[@stevedonnie4077]

I’ve been in other Pac2 comment sections talking about a rebuilt Pac2, but I do think if the ACC loses only 2-4 teams then the Pac2 are primed and eager to merge with them. The Pac2 plus a couple G5s helps the ACC maintain that P4 status and keep pace with the Big12 for sure. Of course it all depends on who gets poached first and foremost.

[@tomk537]

ACC / PAC2 merger feels like one of the better outcomes for all the teams who don’t land in another power conference

[@stevedonnie4077]

@@tomk537 Mhm imo it’s a move that makes sense whether the ACC loses just two schools or they get raided in a really harsh way. The Pac2 and SDSU seem like no brainer additions to help support the bay area schools, but of course it all depends on what actually happens with the ACC. The Pac being on current ACC partner The CW and having great broadcast capabilities with the remains of the Pac12 network are also good reasons a merger would make sense.

[@atgdcommish608]

Keep pace? If the ACC loses their top 2 football teams (Clemson and FSU), they will be where the Big12 is now (after losing Oklahoma and Texas.)

[@stevedonnie4077]

@@atgdcommish608 Right, that’s what I said. If they lose 2-4 teams adding the Pac2 plus some G5s will help them keep pace with the Big12 both in terms of # of teams and by backfilling their losses with quality schools that make geographic sense.

[@tarheel7406]

WASHST and OREST are separate geo outliers, don't fit the ACC brand in any way that I can see, and won't be pushed by ND (which has now already burned that card to play).

[@rangersking6699]

Not needed, yes, but once FSU and Clemson leave, it would be really nice to have San Diego state and UConn

[@tarheel7406]

a) To where is CLEMSON going if only FSU is also leaving? b) SDST is not needed. UCONN appears to be persona non grata.

[@MikeJohnson-cp5if]

@@tarheel7406 Greg Flugaur banned you. Why did your other heel account get deleted? Did YT ban you too?

[@tarheel7406]

@@MikeJohnson-cp5if At least 2 of your prior accounts and all comments thereunder deleted. Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the applicable vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable. Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before? When your more recent troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?

[@qxz9p]

It’s a nitpick but SMU isn’t taking 0 media dollars. They’ll still get the full ACCN share (~14M/year) as well as bowl game, CFP, and ACC performance payouts. SMU will be making 14M-35M depending on where they end up in the conference standings. Comparatively, Cal and Stanford are giving up much more than they are. SMU will make 2x the amount they made in the AAC simply by existing in the ACC. Also, if the ACC expands or a team leaves it’s written in our contract we’ll get the full media share immediately.

[@rx2878]

SMU may get more later when the RSN CW Sports package is up for renewal or out to market. Stanford has plenty of Money. Cal will get Calimony and be Subsidized by the California Government. They are the state Flagship.

[@tarheel7406]

"if the ACC expands or a team leaves it’s written in our contract we’ll get the full media share immediately." I doubt this. If/when SMU gets a full share, that could trigger a GOR breach for all of the expansion objectors.

[@rx2878]

@@tarheel7406 by then SMU is replacing the Objectors and taking the shares. Once a team declares leaving the league they forfeit voting rights and revenue as seen recently in the PAC-12 vs Pac-2 case.

[@tarheel7406]

@@rx2878 Look closely at what happened with the TX/OK situation. The BIG12 did not take away rights, as that would have put the exit fee and GOR at risk. The B12 also had to keep TX/OK financially whole until they left.

[@rx2878]

@@tarheel7406 oh, seems that other statement was indeed seen. Ultimately the arbiters are the networks in this case ESPN. I do not subscribe to this tripwire apocalypse notion of the Grant of Rights. Heck the notion of today was the composition clause! Oh No! The GOR belongs to the conference members itself to facilitate a longer contact for the group mortgage known as the ACCN network. People forget about the joint property of the ACC members & ESPN. The truncated PAC-12 was negotiating at the very end of its contract (foolishly) and even had an offer from ESPN still. TX and Oklahoma was certainly a different case. Legal threats from Bob Bowlsby while of course ESPN aiding and abetted Texas and Oklahoma.

[@pacogonzales2028]

The ACC should look at provisional membership for UTSA. That gives them a foothold in the forgotten but growing South Texas/Northern Mexico market.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

They haven't been in AAC long enough

[@pacogonzales2028]

There are three UT System schools that have promise as big schools that eventually could get the ACC in the Lone Star State. Texas-San Antonio is close to being there and as future prospects, UT-Rio Grande Valley (they will have football next year and you should see the commitment the UTRGV has made to facilities...they are maybe 15-20 years away) and to a lesser extent, UT-El Paso (they might be 30 years away but they were a WAC school in the WAC's glory days).

[@tarheel7406]

a) How does UTSA fit brand? b) What marginal value would UTSA bring given a now already Texas presence?

[@texasron9131]

Where do the Wisconsin players come from? Wisconsin? I don’t think so!

[@Alan-lv9rw]

Go Ponies!

[@stuartmisfeldt3068]

A solution may be to only have the conference games count for the playoff bracket. That way interesting matchups will not be penalized.

[@daviddejesus5376]

Plausible. Though if Miami and UNC decide that the revenue gap is too large and unsustainable then they will both try to leave.

[@tarheel7406]

All signs suggest that MIAMI is allied with ND and can't leave until ND is both willing and able.

[@garystewart-is6iz]

SMU being a savior lol come on now, they will end up in the New Pac

[@rx2878]

SM the U Hurricanes SouthWest.

[@Alan-lv9rw]

SMU lost to Boston College in the Fenway Bowl because their starting QB was out with a broken leg.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

Yeah that didn't help. Keep him healthy this year

[@keithreynolds4550]

Naw most people dallas know better then that jenning is better

[@J3osu]

I’m at the rant about winter weddings. Fast forward 5 - 10 years Spencer gets married and it’s in the winter 🤣.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

1. That would require me to care less about football enough to want to get married 2. Winter wedding > fall wedding

[@J3osu]

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball no shade but believe me. You wouldn't be the first guy to think that and then meet a woman that can get you to do what you thought you'd never do.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

@@J3osu If you're still watching my channel if that happens, I will gladly shout you out on the show if you remind me. Might be a while

[@johnd7116]

Pony up!

[@Erv704]

😂😂 Good luck Go Noles

[@tarheel7406]

Dude, again.... a) To where is CLEMSON going if FSU is the only other leaving? b) UNC is gone as soon as able. c) MIAMI stays until ND leaves.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

You think FSU/Clemson are doing all this with 0 plan to find a home? I doubt it

[@tarheel7406]

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball They have expectations, hope at a minimum. Please answer the question, to where is CLEMSON going if FSU is the only other leaving?

[@atgdcommish608]

Why would the Power2 want UNC? Stanford has won more football games this century.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

@@atgdcommish608 Eastern TV market

[@MikeJohnson-cp5if]

Greg Flugaur banned you. Why did your other heel account get deleted? Did YT ban you too?

[@aaronlampkin284]

If the ACC were smart they would invest into SMU because that Texas Area is rich of talent/Market and also The big 12 is already looking at members to take.

[@atgdcommish608]

Everything SMU did to get the death penalty back in the day is legal now. They have wealthy football-mad boosters, they play in a top 5 media market, and they are in a top recruiting zone. Their transfer portal haul this year is impressive. They will become a force in the ACC.

[@DWayne-ne5yh]

Just because you play in a media market means nothing. Dumbest argument ever

[@JWCFB]

That $159 million figure is very hard to believe

[@HP-ov7ol]

SMU got the death penalty because they were paying players at a level that had them competing with the big boys for the SWC championship. Remember Craig James and Eric Dickerson? Well now that is legal.

[@jimrobinson1140]

That oil money goes a long way

[@mark8337]

Wisconsin making lots of recruiting moves…

[@atgdcommish608]

They need to. The B1G just got a lot better, with the additions of Oregon, Washington and USC. (UCLA has been mediocre for a long time.)

[@texasron9131]

Wisconsin needs to make moves … it is not a football state!

[@mark8337]

@@texasron9131 Ah, Badgers have the most played, longest, college football rivalry in all of college football and are founding member of the oldest conference in college football and the home of the Packers whose coach the Super Bowl trophy is named after and who won the first Super Bowl among other Titles. Just sayin’ you may want to rethink that comment.

[@AKHKCZplus]

SMU contributed the most to the ACC’s death. Nobody is going to pay to watch SMU, CAL, Stanford as well as the remaining teams no conference wants. The most iconic, high revenue programs Clemson, FSU, & Miami are all gone……Can’t blame em for downgrading the ACC into a worthless D3 conference. ACC greed is gonna pay dearly. This couldn’t have happened to a dumber conference.

[@christiantotten]

Ndsu also lost their head coach

[@frictionhitch]

100% AGREE with your CFB schedule MANDATE! 1 FCS, 1 G5, 1P4, 9 conference or else you are ineligible for the CFP! MCFPGA let's get red hats It's better than a real civil war

[@frictionhitch]

Vegas weddings still count if you invite less than 10 people.

[@frictionhitch]

...you can have more than ten if you met your spouse in the last 24 hours. 200 if you are wasted

[@frictionhitch]

"As the crowd has clearly grown to over 200 it is incumbent upon me, under US law, to ensure that both the bride and the groom are incapable of driving. "Did you Sir did you ingest enough substances, either legal or illegal, to be able to honestly claim tomorrow that your consent was under intoxication? Did you Ma'am ingest enough substances, either legal or illegal, to be able to honestly claim tomorrow that your consent was under intoxication? I now pronounce you man and wife...at least until Monday morning."

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

If I can be commissioner, we will totally have hats

[@dansvoboda589]

Hafely was terrible. Thank God we have Bill O'Brien.

[@rx2878]

The Boston college Patriots.

[@crittoneida958]

If ur thanking God for bill obrien….that last coach must have truly been abysmal..…

[@scrappyv1]

Was buying their way into the big 12 not an option?

[@jpDragna]

They had been trying to get back into the Big 12, which they were ousted from back when it was the Big 8, for years. If anything I'd believe that SMU and their alum would purposefully snub a Big 12 option just on their own weird principles.

[@tarheel7406]

A school in Texas is different than yet another school in Texas. Otherwise, outside of TEXAS and TXAM, the Texas schools are rather fungible in this context.

[@jpDragna]

@@tarheel7406 I don't think you quite know the history of SMU, Dallas "entrepreneurs" and their willingness to just spend money on a football team. They were giving kids cars in the 80s without any hint of a return on investment other than their beloved SMU being good. Miami's NIL collective is clearly able to rake in some money. SMU, with the chance of a CFP berth now that they're in a conference with an auto bid? Yeah I can totally see them being able to maintain a steady cashflow for as long as that's true.

[@rx2878]

SMU was on a short list and already had been vetted with their bags packed to possibly join the previous PAC-12 with San Diego State. SMU while in Dallas may have been redundant in the big-12 Texas market with Fort Worth rival TCU. The ACC has no problems accepting smaller private schools as long as they are very elite. Also SMU has a Synergy as a haven for Southern California students probably thanks to Aaron Spelling and the old TV show "Dallas "

[@michaellawrence588]

Spencer, do you realize the major source for many FCS athletic departments revenue are their checks from getting blown out by FBS teams? Who is going to make up that revenue?

[@terryrich4889]

ACC future depends on the commish, he is in a position to make power moves. First he should stop worrying about fs and Clemson leaving. ACC is third in revenue with a 45 million pay out per team, and that's expected to increase, adding on Texas and California to the accn. You're in position to raid the big 12, Kansas, Utah, Arizona unlv and Oklahoma State would really improve the league potential. Phillips need to act quickly.

[@tarheel7406]

a) Exit fees likely make such moves impractical. b) CAL+2 were added to sate and secure ND, which likely doesn't care about any of the others referenced. b) All new BIG12 members have already been internally considered by the ACC and it passed, but some likely work as part of the managed decline to the Tier 2. A settlement with and release of UNC, CLEMSON & FSU would likely need to come first.

[@rx2878]

The ACC commissioner needs to stop playing B1G, SEC, Fox and Disney's game on their terms. These traditional media companies are small fry players. The Big money in the media market is elsewhere. Don't follow the B1G-SEC formula. Just keep building the entire league as the Best media products possible for the highest bidder. Sell inventory in tiers like the NBA. Get every penny owed. College football is a niche but the larger Media market is bigger and more valuable.

[@MikeJohnson-cp5if]

@@tarheel7406 Greg Flugaur banned you. Why did your other heel account get deleted? Did YT ban you too?

[@rx2878]

Greg Fluke-ar is Gross.

[@tarheel7406]

@@MikeJohnson-cp5if At least 2 of your prior accounts and all comments thereunder deleted. Honestly, I can't fault you being a fool. Nature makes fools. I am curious why you choose to be a fraud and a stalking troll. For what purpose? Being a fool is admittedly more of a judgment call, but making comments irrelevant to the applicable vid and thread topics is rather strong evidence. Your obsession with my comments but your inability to understand them is also rather strong evidence. Your inability to distinguish errors/opinions from a lie is prima facia. Your trolling is undeniable. Also, you being a fraud is also undeniable. Why the many handle changes? Have you been reported before? When your more recent troll posts all turn out as foolish, will you be changing handles and mass deleting them as before?

[@DWayne-ne5yh]

SMU lol- it’s the 8th brand in its own city of Dallas behind - in order #1 UT, #2 Texas Tech, #3 A&M, #4 OU, #5 Baylor, #6 OkSU, #7 TCU, #8 SMU. Anyone in Texas knows this . SMU is a non factor. They have a G5 stadium and won’t be able to upgrade it because they are wasting on their money to keep the lights on! They get $0 from the media deal lolol

[@keyroncampbell]

It wasn't always like that... Stop hating

[@tarheel7406]

Sorry, but all Texas schools outside of TEXAS and TXAM are fungible G5 equivalents (at best).

[@texasron9131]

@@tarheel7406Sorry … all schools recruit heavily in California,Texas and Florida. Check out the recruiting activity in low population Midwest states! Football is massive in Texas!

[@tarheel7406]

@@texasron9131 That football is massive in Texas doesn't change the reality that all Texas schools outside of TEXAS and TXAM are G5 equivalents in this context. That there were no other #3s in the original P5s and that all were added to the BIG12 out of necessity proves the point.

[@texasron9131]

@@tarheel7406 Here is a thought: Friday Night Lights was written about HS football in Texas! Only Florida comes close to Texas with wildly popular and successful HS football programs. Sadly, Texas has always been a hot recruiting ground for low population states with too few FBS quality players (see Oklahoma). There are now 13-FBS college programs in Texas scrambling for local talent … trying to keep players home in an era of big money payouts, from a handful of Big 10 and SEC programs. Since you are in North Carolina, you obviously have a limited and skewed concept of football in the Lone Star State.

[@AJD-LsUp]

Is it September yet? #FlyVille24 #LsUp #L1C4 #ACC

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

No it's still June But every day that passes is one day closer to CFB ;)

[@mustangkurt]

There are about a dozen billionaires that are prominent SMU alums. Money will never be an issue here.

[@rx2878]

The Duke University of Texas in football perhaps 🤔

[@frictionhitch]

I like money

[@Alan-lv9rw]

EAST: Syracuse, Boston College, UConn, Duke, Wake Forest, Georgia Tech, USF. WEST: Tulane, SMU, SDSU, Cal, Stanford, Oregon State, Washington State.

[@BengalBuckeye]

Ya however location aside I'd think they would absolutely have to mix those teams up competition wise when doing divisions lol. That east list is absolutely horrific in football and aren't the type of schools that have a chance at a decent year every 3 or 4 seasons like Cal, Stan, OSU, and WSU are. (Maybe USF but let's be real they're recent run won't hold at all in this NIL/Playoff era). Just like Cincinnati.

[@tarheel7406]

If the ACC depletes so heavily to the SEC/B1G that this becomes feasible, it won't matter much.