ACC expansion OFFICIAL--what comes after 2025 in realignment? l College Football Podcast

[@deadeye4520]

Poor Spencer, it's going to be a bitter pill to swallow when UNC exits the ACC.

[@encycl07pedia-]

When are they going to do that, after it implodes?

[@deadeye4520]

@@encycl07pedia- Probably after Clemson and FSU exit. The Tar Heels want a seat in the P2.

[@tarheel7406]

@@encycl07pedia- Outside of ND, UNC is the top expansion target. Neither the SEC nor the B1G is likely to expand until UNC is either secured or lost. ~50% chance of FSU landing in the BIG12.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@tarheel7406 No, they're not. Once again you don't live in reality.

[@tarheel7406]

@@encycl07pedia- Amazing. After ~3 years and you and other FSU fans still don't see where FSU stands in all of this. Example articles: "College football realignment: SEC, Big Ten have 2 schools on radar, per report" (Jun 2023) by James Parks (SI associate) "Paul Finebaum on SEC realignment: FSU is ‘third’ of 3, behind North Carolina" (Sep 2023) by NY Times "College football realignment: SEC, Big Ten could target 1 ACC school" (Mar 2024) by James Parks (SI associate) "Report: UNC Viewed as SEC, Big Ten's Most Attractive Expansion Target from ACC" (Mar 2024) by Timothy Rapp (Bleacher Report) Example Vids: "What we know about UNC potentially LEAVING the ACC | College Football Enquirer | Yahoo Sports" "Dan Wetzel: If FSU Can Get Out of the Grant of Rights It Will Be the End of the ACC | Realignment" (~5-minute mark) "Bob Thompson: The ACC Being the Next Conference to Break Up Is Not Good For ESPN | Realignment" (~10-minute mark) "North Carolina wanting OUT of the ACC? | How Things Stand in Chapel Hill with Bubba Cunningham, UNC" "Matt Fortuna: North Carolina Is the Most Desired Brand Among All of the ACC Schools | CFB" (~7-minute mark) "ESPN’s Pete Thamel on the Possibility of More Big Ten & SEC Expansion | The Rich Eisen Show" (~4-minute mark)

[@WeSRT4]

I'm not so sure the ACC survives... Let's go down the list. Clemson, FSU, NC, Virginia are all gone to the P2. VT, Louisville, Miami, NC State are all at the very least Big 12 targets (even possible P2 targets). There would be no anchor schools left! It's like a dying mall that loses all its anchors... it's over at that point.

[@tarheel7406]

If the ACC "only" lost UVA, UNC, CLEMSON & FSU, why would any remainder go to the BIG12, which is already dead in this context?

[@tylernelson3343]

WeSRT4 I was listening to other podcasts about Josh Pate saying that realignment bomb may go off in July.

[@encycl07pedia-]

UNC and UVA very likely aren't going to the P2. If they were, they would have voted against suing FSU and Clemson. FSU and Clemson are the only programs that add value, and Clemson is honestly cutting it close. The rest are not worth the pay cut.

[@tarheel7406]

@@encycl07pedia- a) UNC did vote against the ACC suing. b) FSU is (at best) the 3rd SEC expansion priority for the SEC, 4th for the B1G. ~50% chance of landing in the BIG12.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

Lots of implications in there

[@cameronhart6716]

The ACC certainly won't fold entriely, as their numbers are better than the Big 12. Without some of the heavy hitters, it seems more likely that the remaining members would look to move against the Big 12 or grab more from the G5, something the Big 12 has already had to do en masse. In all sports, the ACC is second among conferences, so if a newer, smaller football brand can be just as relevant as whatever the Big 12 ends up being, the league will survive.

[@charleswebsterjr.6350]

USF,Memphis,Tulane and maybe either ECU ( most familiar with ACC and scheduling) or Temple ( probably both).

[@charleswebsterjr.6350]

Honestly I think if BYU and Houston would have never been picked up by the Big 12, the Pac 12 would have had some type of recovery with Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford ,Cal, Houston, BYU,San Diego State, Boise State, Colorado State, UNLV, Rice,Fresno State, Air Force, Maybe Hawaii (Football only) and substitute with Gonzaga (basketball and Olympic sports with Saint Mary).

[@tarheel7406]

@@charleswebsterjr.6350 a) The ACC has already preemptively backfilled. b) Tier 2 conferences are best at 8-12 members.

[@tylernelson3343]

Hey Spencer I have been listening to other podcasts on what Josh Pate has to say. He stated that realignment bomb may go off in July. What your thoughts on what Josh Pate statement.

[@fitzroylawrence6589]

By 2025 there will be another broadcast network looking for program and the acc is very appealing the owners of cbs

[@larryreed6297]

Let's go Canes, Good morning

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

Good morning!

[@tylernelson3343]

@@LockedOnCollegeFootball Spencer what your thoughts on Mountain West signing a tv deal with Turner Broadcasting

[@fakereality96]

The road to the ACC championship game now runs through the East Bay! 🪓🐻

[@Da-Boo33]

Fsu clemson and Miami should go to big ten ..unless.add notre dame😅

[@WeSRT4]

The SEC will end up with either Miami or FSU. Clemson does not fit in the big ten.

[@PCSPounder]

@@WeSRT4 Hmmmm… this is Florida’s chance to put Florida State metaphorically into the ground. Judging from some of the noise, that’s being attempted. It doesn’t “hurt” that ESPN has to think they’re not gaining real viewership by having Florida and Florida State in the same conference. Now I know the SEC likes to say that they’re more about competition than markets, so theoretically FSU and Florida could co-exist. But the point is to get paid for expanding.

[@tarheel7406]

@@PCSPounder "this is Florida’s chance to put Florida State metaphorically into the ground" Agreed.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@PCSPounder You act like the SEC is the only option for FSU. It's not even the preferred option.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@UC01c91iaReCz7iL6vkXlq1Q NC State and the state of NC is already putting UNC in the ground.

[@user-bv1bi8jt5f]

Why do you forget NC State???

[@chrisg4931]

Or VT?

[@PCSPounder]

Everyone else does. Why shouldn’t we? But seriously, what just got proved last week is that there are networks who will pay a little something for basketball. The ACC has larger TV basketball followings than the Big East and b12 (you could have proved me wrong by Baylor building their new arena with 50% more capacity instead of downsizing), so there are going to be enough schools that know they won’t get paid for football… so the ACC will survive. The b12 will find themselves getting a pay cut down the line.

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

Calford do not join the ACC until August 1st. SMU joined today.

[@jpDragna]

In terms of TV viewership I think people have been underestimating the additions of Cal, Stanford, and as you say SMU. SMU has the most...hope is the best thing to say here, in terms of their future, but I think comparing the depth of the B1G compared to the SEC, when it comes to surviving and maybe thriving, on field results don't matter nears as much as eyeballs on TV. The B1G outside of their B1G 3 has been mediocre at best, with occasional flash plan stars (Iowa's defense last year). Again SMU has a real hope of progressing as a team, and they will only get more attention being on more nationally televised games. When they do hit ESPN/ABC and other national stations (ie not ESPNU as most of their AAC games currently were), they're consistently getting 1-2million tv viewers, it's not a lot, but it was the AAC. North Texas wants a football team of their own to root for. Stanford and Cal, meanwhile, aren't world beaters, but they also were bottom dwellers in the PAC 12 in terms of viewership. Both of them were solidly middle of the road in the PAC 12 (4th-7th usually), and of course were miles away from USC and Oregon, but actually weren't that far off from Wazzu, Utah, and Washington for totals. That's opening up parts of California and Texas as new TV markets. Mind it's not just about success on the field, if the ACC can negotiate to have ACC Network included in packages as a standard in both of those states, or at least parts of them if demand increases, that's a huge win. I wouldn't exactly say I'm calling the ACC's future sparkling, but I'm more towards leaning into it existing a lot longer than we all expected. UNC might have a better path out than Clemson. They might be suing, but I'd believe they're doing that without any assurances of a new home outside of maybe the Big 12, and that to me seems like a mistake. FSU clearly has suitors, and UNC has actual verbal suitors. Outside of them, though, it really seems like Miami is either content not to spend money on exiting the conference, and is happy to let FSU and Clemson do the grunt work, or they're genuinely fine staying in the conference and know something (financially) that we don't.

[@encycl07pedia-]

OU is more popular in Dallas than SMU. Nobody cares about the Mustangs. I think the Houston Cougars actually have more fans than SMU. The ACC can't negotiate for anything. They proved it by accepting that ridiculous CFI deal, not to mention the way ND has taken full advantage of the ACC.

[@tarheel7406]

@@encycl07pedia- a) All TEXAS schools outside of TEXAS and TXAM are mostly fungible G5 equivalents. b) The CFP deal already accounts for ACC depletion. c) How has ND taken full advantage of the ACC?

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@tarheel7406 a) TCU won the Rose Bowl in 2011. TCU went to the NCG a couple years ago. They've been in the Big 12 since 2012 and won it in 2014. When's the last time UNC won a BCS bowl? Never? Never. When's the last time UNC won a P5 conference championship? If you want to say UNC is basically a G5, go right ahead. b) So? The ACC didn't do anything to get a better deal. c) I suppose you think maintaining your independence, stealing bowl spots, and being able to have a 2020 season while the ACC got virtually nothing in return is worthwhile? And don't act like 5 games a year is that great. ND needed to fill out their schedule anyway as conferences like the B1G and P12 went to 9 conference games.

[@tarheel7406]

@@encycl07pedia- a) TCU wasn't part of the original BIG12. TCU wasn't good enough to backfill NEB or CO. TCU was only added as backfill by the BIG12 out of necessity. TCU is a G5 equivalent. b) UNC's value is high and diversified, something neither TCU nor FSU understand. c) The two main causes of the ACC's situation are the failed expansions (pushed by FSU) and an unexpected inflation curve.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@tarheel7406 a) lol. They've been there long enough, they won a conference championship, and they won a CFI game. TCU is good enough. Only elitists like you don't understand that. b) UNC hasn't lifted a finger to leave the ACC, only bark. So much internal strife and indecision. I guess UNC is used to bumbling around and not getting anything done. I think the last time the university cooperated on something is cheating for players for decades. c) Yes, because not expanding has worked so well for conferences like the Big East and Pac-12. It's not FSU's fault you moochers are completely inept. Maybe if you Do you honestly think you're fooling anyone besides yourself?

[@terryrich4889]

Spencer why would any acc school want to join the lil 12. This year acc pay out was 44 million each team. Lil 12 pay out was 30 tops and 18 million for group 5. Who would take a cut when espn deal state keep 15 teams, that not hard. Lil 12 group 5 is the bottom.

[@adamb6370]

BIG can only add 2 more unless they go back to renegotiate with the TV networks. I think this is why Paul started poking at BIG fans. You can’t be academic snobby and passing on Stanford and UVA for FSU/Clemson. Time for that hypocritical narrative to end.

[@jansonroberts2616]

They’ll have to negotiate with the networks for any teams they add with the exception of Notre Dame, who is already named in their contract.

[@adamb6370]

@@jansonroberts2616 there are clauses for adding up to 20 teams beyond that. It’s a full start over. They just finished the deal and probably don’t want to go there unless they have to. Both conferences are integrating new programs and personalities. Probably their focus this month.

[@terryrich4889]

Lil 12 will die 2 years. ACC will benefit when Clemson and fs leave the acc will make millions to spilt. Remember, big 12 is always poached.

[@yellowmartian]

Put down the crack pipe Terry.

[@stevemoserify]

Mattttt Daayyyyy Muunnnnnn

[@shoehappens5407]

Once the ACC loses their top 4 brands, they lose all power and will crumble just like the PAC12

[@terryrich4889]

2 years! Bye group 5

[@stevemoserify]

@@terryrich4889 Mattttt Daaayyyyy Muuunnnnnnn

[@delanesimmons5933]

I love the hate on Miami and UNC. Boyh are bigger brands than fsu and Clemson, but due to fsu have recent success in the last 2 years and Clemson winning a NC in the last 6-7 years, they're automatically the big brands.

[@davidfloyd9134]

Acc will not last long

[@tarheel7406]

In context, the BIG12 is already dead.

[@terryrich4889]

​@@tarheel7406big 12 is a bandaid conference. No original big 8 schools exist just a bunch of group of 5. Kansas, Utah and more are ready to go. You young guy's don't understand how much swc, bid8 and big12 been poached. You are directly in the acc footprint. Soon as fs and depart you will be poached.We dont know when Clemson or fs will depart, neither have a billion in thier endowment.

[@tarheel7406]

@@terryrich4889 I generally just mirror language BIG12 defenders use. The BIG12 has a case of the "alreadys" but somehow can't see it.

[@heartbreak25]

The ACC won't fully collapse or dissolve. It will just greatly diminish in stature and value. The top 6 brands will not be there by 2030 so this idea of UNC and Miami remaining is hilarious.

[@tarheel7406]

The host has evidenced a poor ability to see things from the perspectives of the ACC and its members. Understandable for a PAC guy, but he should ask questions more and declare less on those matters.

[@tarheel7406]

Also hints at why the PAC was so delusional about its situation from the TX/OK news until the final collapse.

[@heartbreak25]

@@tarheel7406 Wow, I finally agree with you on something. 😂

[@tarheel7406]

@@heartbreak25 It's not that complicated. Most likely only FSU is leaving until UNC picks a P2 and moves. On the assumption that UNC is lost, the B1G has already prematurely added WASH/ORE, but additional expansion is unlikely until ND and/or UNC are "officially" lost. That the B1G would eventually take WASH as either a +1 or with another PAC school was never much in doubt. Whether the B1G has a non-contingent interest in FSU and would take alone are open questions to me.

[@heartbreak25]

@@tarheel7406 I have no clue how the dominoes are falling. This is all about ND. Period. If they announced a move tomorrow then everything blows up.

[@terryfox9344]

Spencer, please congratulate all the FSU fans on their accurate prediction that the ACC no longer exists. There is no ESPN contract, because there is no ACC. Furthermore every former ACC school has found a new home and every school has new and full schedules that are ready to go in August. As the FSU fanboys correctly predicted Notre Dame is now a proud member of the SEC (except in all of the sports that the SEC doesn't offer, where their teams have joined the B1G.) I do have to say that it was a surprise to learn that Lee Corso was the genius that engineered all of the moves. He worked at light speed to make sure that every former ACC school found a new home that was optimal for them. He must have had elves help him craft new schedules in all sports for the former ACC schools. A truly happy day for everyone. Thanks FSU fans, you were brilliant.

[@LockedOnCollegeFootball]

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[@hurricanehaze4727]

Miami + Notre Dame to B1G FSU + Clemson + North Carolina + Virginia to SEC Louisville + Pittsburgh + Virginia Tech + Duke + Georgia Tech + NC State to Big 12

[@tarheel7406]

In that unlikely scenario, why would any ACC remainder go to the BIG12?

[@Conorj398]

lol no

[@David-pt6zk]

Ga Tech BIG

[@encycl07pedia-]

Moral Gables isn't getting into the B1G without FSU. LMFAO! The Hurrishames are a better fit in the Big 12 with teams like Iowa State and Baylor.

[@encycl07pedia-]

@@tarheel7406 Better management. The ACC is a total clown show. Didn't the Big 12 get a bigger cut of the CFI payouts than the ACC?

[@Mr.Ed_Wayner]

Calford do not join the ACC until August 1st. SMU joined today.