Accusations of Bullying?! Expectations for Professionalism! - Falcons' BOROS RMR Drama - CS2

[@Thooorin]

It looks like they left most of what zonic said to BOROS but edited Snappi, Magisk and maden criticising him specifically about his mouse out. Can understand why but it obviously makes it trickier for people to know what is being referenced. Check out MnmzzzCS's twitter for some of the stuff edited out.

[@Dapper_Dave]

"with that mouse you'll be able to check in on your flight really quick" 😂💀

[@joshiemah]

Can’t believe he actually said that to simple but it’s hilarious

[@kapilsharmaWorld_uncensored]

Here's your century mate 🎉

[@ironwolfgaming9632]

I played just Semi-pro hockey at 16 way back in 1975 - we even played against the American Olympic team who beat the Russians (they thrashed us). Why is this relevant? Because my coach used to watch me play during the game and kept a notebook of my shortcomings as a goalie. Then in practice we would work on those things at the end when I was tired - this would make me have GOOD habit and wasn't bullying - it was PROFESSIONALISM. If you are getting paid - you do as the coach and organization says - or you find another job.

[@spitgoat]

God damn unc

[@thepowerofnexus]

Unc goated fr

[@bokonoo77]

question did they ever done humiliation ritual on you and basically everyone kept talking about your single mistake? btw I am racist but even then I don't think humiliation ritual will ever help you to stay in the team

[@ironwolfgaming9632]

@@bokonoo77 As a goalie in hockey at an away team every goal is a humiliation ritual.

[@waffen98]

Actually loves that Falcons put this out as someone who used to do sports at a high level in my youth.

[@martinhansen6802]

We Danes call it "Den varme stol" in Danish. The hot chair. I use it in the army. Emptying the backpack and "after action" sets you up for success later. You analysis is spot on.

[@rolfgautier5540]

What a great video, the recent snake and banter was great, but i didnt expect it to only be foreplay for the real deal!

[@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702]

The way Thorin got so motivated, I thought there was no way he would not make a solo vid for this.

[@primtve_dope9568]

​he talked for 6 minutes, must be a snake and banter record@@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702

[@sykx7]

The speed at which you deliver information articulately is magical. It's as if an audiobook on 1.5x speed still retained good flow.

[@drakovar2526]

The (french) coach, Ozstrik3r, that was at falcons when they transitioned from a french Lineup to an international one, with Boros, talked about him when they Had NBK, Bodyy, launX, MHL and Boros, just before Zonix took over in an interview. It is the same things: he was constantly late for practice, didn't play games with his teammates, when the coach explicitely asked them to (apparently, no-one did, but thats another thing). He didn't take notes during strat time, taking his phone out instead... But he was at the time the highest paid in the team, and did lots of media stuff during the Saudi Gamers8 tournament. All of this was not new when the teams talks to Boros at the Rmr, this guy has had 8 second chances given to him, at some point it has to stop

[@MrDucktastic]

That rant about Boros forgetting his gear bizarrely reminded me of Paul Scholes coming out of retirement. Legendary footballer gets convinced to come back, walks into a JJB and buys some £50 boots for the Manchester Derby. Zero fucks given, just needs to make sure he's got his end covered. If he called Nike they would have shipped him a dozen premium boots for free. Boros was given everything on a platter with Falcons and failed the minimum requirements. It's mind boggling.

[@jR0xas]

I agree, people are freaking out over nothing when this is professionals we're talking about. There's expectations and a rookie has to know his place.

[@edmontonoilers4096]

Yes they are scapegoating a rookie because his mouse broke so he used a new one. Totally professional lol.

[@tejmazwei]

@@edmontonoilers4096 obviously it goes deeper than that stfu

[@KI22atA]

​@@edmontonoilers4096why use a different mouse though? Just use the same model and its all good

[@nathanl8769]

​@@edmontonoilers4096Looking like dhalsim with that reach kiddo

[@bigbrainman3040]

@@edmontonoilers4096 why are you here if you didnt watch the video

[@xavierbaltazar2453]

The joke is, Thorin is like the father figure in esports, how else can he shit on Konfig and then get him on a video?

[@LukeCherries]

The thumbnail is really clean and great. Excellent video, it reminds me of your older long-form philosophical content about competition and esports and life in general.

[@source.mydelusions]

this is one of the best videos thorin has uploaded recently. I know theres a lot of other interesting topics to cover in the scene, but this one is where he thrives. When thorin talks about mediocrety vs greatness under any context (orgs, players, TOs) you know its going to be a banger, just like the "who is shroud" vid. I miss BTN so much

[@DREAMWORKERSKY]

this is old school esports. Reminds of those CLG days in LoL 😂

[@musasadik7055]

Very interesting insight and took some mental notes as a leader in my team.

[@mauriciobetimpaesleme8702]

I have a real gut feeling that Boros felt he was untouchable. Because he was the Middle-Eastern star on Falcons and therefore was the only piece that would never change.. either that or he just wanted out. And of course, a lot of people are thinking that there were no steps to get tot his point... Thorin is ON POINT when he says this was the straw the broke the camel's back.

[@AsdPwn3d]

I was gonna say, everyone crying about this talk, but atleast for me this is how you'd get through to me and get me to lock in for the upcoming game.. It's just how men who are driven communicate.

[@Abstand]

I really like that you are also touching (showing and giving opinion) on tweets

[@primtve_dope9568]

I find myself agreeing with so much thorin says. He's a vocal man but 99% of the time he's spitting facts

[@Lefflan]

Apparently I watched the edited version without knowing and saw the footage that was cut afterwards. I expected the video to be a lot worse based on peoples reaction on HLTV forums and twitter, however, I did get the feeling while watching that they threw boros under the bus with this video seeing as they had already benched him after the RMR. I have no issue with what was said in the video, I just don't understand what was the point of showing this to the public? Can't just be for "transparency" because what about player integrity? In my opinion this video made Falcons look like utter fools.

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

The org probably felt a need to justify cutting him because he's the only player from a country in the middle east and Falcons is a Saudi org.

[@Lefflan]

@@mckinleyostvig7135 Yes, that is the only explanation I could think of that makes sense.

[@edmontonoilers4096]

I agree. He is being scapegoated because he played bad. Nothing else to it. He switched his mouse because his old one broke and they think that is the cause on why he played bad like people can't have bad games. Made the org look like a joke.

[@adityasingla2548]

[@torinkeenan2718]

Zonic has won 5 majors. I believe in whatever method he chooses to improve his players. He’s not new to this lol

[@zettour.]

Plus he has Lars next to him. It's believable that zonic isn't top of the meta anymore or his game is too old school. But out of the game? zonic is literally the best coach in esports history at getting his players engaged while they're not playing. If not the shrink, who's gonna understand the mental game? BOROS empathy out here making people lose their minds.

[@hybaaaa]

@@zettour. b1ad3 clears zonic

[@zettour.]

@@hybaaaa When? Right now, yes. All-time, not even close.

[@bryzenl]

It’s funny how consistent this idea was. The halo horns comparison theory of how people are seen shapes how they are received I was just talking about in a video I posted the other day. Crazy how our perceptions of people either praise or punish them.

[@Flare97]

Awesome video thorin. Very important information about (team) work. Loved every minute of it

[@skillezkillez]

This is a classic Thorin's thoughts banger. Its why I started started watching in 2016. Top quality.

[@TechGirlZA]

Quick fast commentary on this! Nice. Will watch after work. But I definitely think there is an overreaction and folks are forgetting this is an edited video, they dont have full context. I don't think that was as harsh as people were making it out to be.

[@kurtid2425]

This video kind of made me reflect on the journey I've had in my life up to this point: I mean that's the thing, professionalism sadly nowadays is a skill that is acquired, with the current situation of the internet having kids below the age 18, not understanding what even a proper job is, yeah makes sense why a video game community supports Boros and calling out the literal Godfathers and mentors of Danish CS. Like I think most of these people who are being serious in supporting Boros has never been in a mentorship, or in any serious competition, academia is not the same thing, because the people I talk to about this issue who play cs are split, there are people who have been beaten down at their jobs, line of work or field because they know have to preform, do better or improve to stay on. The other half, still in Uni possibly, doing jobs anyone can do or just are aimless in life. Honestly, people who support Boros in this situation are bound to fail, the greats in anything aren't there through talent and kind teaching. Hard work, some people have the mentality already, but to be further ahead they need to be pushed and take the criticism like a champ. Everyone got beaten down to the ground, MJ at UNC, Gordon Ramsay with Marco Pierre White, all these greats went through the test of fire, embraced it, and succeeded. Competitive gaming showed me how life is, I take the criticism and move on. When I was younger I put the blame on others, one day in HS, one of my long time friends went pro Indonesian CS, getting picked up by a prestigious academy team, I was once better than him and could've been better but I blamed everyone around me and was lazy, isolating me from the scene. I realized at that moment I took for granted the people who wanted to help me. I may have lost that opportunity to play pro CS, but I never took those opportunities for granted ever again. Got my shit straight with grades and academia, other demanding hobbies like cooking and playing music, if I ever got to opportunity to learn from better people I took it. From the late Kobe Bryant: "I can’t relate to lazy people. We don’t speak the same language. I don’t understand you. I don’t WANT to understand you."

[@veenii5012]

Imagine hockey player in NHL playoffs randomly swapping his sticks Lie,Blade and flex

[@edmontonoilers4096]

You do realize his mouse broke right? That is the whole reason why he switched it. He's just being scapegoated because he played bad and they want to use the mouse as the excuse lol.

[@veenii5012]

@@edmontonoilers4096 Sure but if your equipment breaks you buy the same one 99% of the time instead of switching to new one. Especially in the middle of season.

[@rage9715]

@@veenii5012What mouse was it? I knew Chelleos he had replacements of all his gear x2 A T2 AUS Player wonder what a T1 player has?

[@B00nater]

⁠@@veenii5012when was the last time you Bought something and it just spawned in the room with you? He obviously had easy access to a spare mouse and used that as he had no other choice.

[@gonzalocanas8335]

They suck man...Boros was the perfect excuse. But with the goat of CS they lose very easy to a team they didnt have a page in wikipedia...

[@MangoMeoww]

43:41 Thorin scooby doo impression spot on.

[@CreX_official]

Fucking hilarious! 😂

[@theAirborne17th]

You brought up the Manchester United example but that also reminds me of Bill Belichick who created a dynasty with the Patriots. Yeah he had Brady, Gronk and Edelman but he coached a team to success and was very spicy / a "dick" while commanding respect.

[@unityofvitality-5875]

The only problem with the situation is that footage being published, its an internal matter to be settled and nobody outside of the organization has any business seeing that

[@ognano]

exactly, absolutely nobody is benefiting from making this public

[@vincur5361]

the rant at 25:00 .... top kek

[@NANOTECHYT]

A lot of people are freaking out over nothing. Okay did they all criticise BOROS? Yes. But these are eSports players, this is their job and to be honest he changed a fundamental part of his gear that would change his performance just prior to the most important tournament of the year. It's like changing your bat in Cricket or your boots in Football, you need time to adjust and I don't think he gave enough time and he should be criticised for it as a player. The guys criticising him too, like Zonic, Magisk and even Snappi are winners, he should heed their advice. I will say though they probably just needed one guy to say it like zonic and they didn't need to dog-pile him in a team meeting, it just feels then like the whole team is against you rather than constructive criticism from the coach or the leaders trying to help you. Regardless, I think that the community is making it seem worse than it is.

[@thelast1090]

Hello Boros? Is it you? 😢 stop the beg!

[@NANOTECHYT]

@@thelast1090 Yes it's me BOROS the Australian rifler!

[@Creamouz]

Eternal Fire catching a stray at the end there

[@Koonski]

The first 30 seconds after the sponsership sums up all the unnecessary drama. People are legit just watching the one 30 seconds clip going around twitter ( I mean "X" ffs).

[@benglista]

classic rant, almost an hour but felt like it went by in 10 minutes

[@mateide123]

It was not said that he was the one beeing late for pratice tbf. It probably was, but I dont think it was said in that part

[@floofy1]

and this video is one of the many reasons why Thorin is goated

[@johny153]

This is one your best Thorins Thoughs ever

[@odyx1]

anyone who sees this as bullying has clearly never played a team sport in their life

[@patbaker2199]

How do I ban a channel from my feed?

[@CannabutterMD]

they weren’t just trying to coach him, they essentially had to babysit him at the same time on the most basic shit a Pro cs player need to do

[@hebrewsky]

Hope you tipped your barber well, Thorin. Nice cut!

[@Totoroo]

Well, the french community had seen many interviews already in french from previous Falcon iterations pointing his lack of professionalism Not really surprised here

[@LoaWorn]

This aint bullying man this is what we call accountability he already explained it's okay if you have a bad game but if its a different issue that causes it that's bad and needs to be talked about as a team.

[@glashausAimz2]

they absolutely need to hire me over at FALCONS💁

[@toxichazmat5785]

Really beginning to wonder what Woxic's behavior was like in C9. It's been referenced more than once now, clearly not a small issue.

[@therockas8190]

What a video, holy

[@brewsive]

well said thorin

[@t3h51d3w1nd3r]

Wtf is Boros up to behind the scenes? What can be so bad Maui won't repeat it for fear of being sued, I doubt a team like them would tolerate heavy drink or drug use, so wtf is he doing? But forgetting gear is just ridiculous, shouldn't you have at least two sets of your equipment incase one breaks, gets damaged, lost or whatever and changing the mouse mid tournament is moronic.

[@DREAMWORKERSKY]

Glorious

[@etas1c]

Reinforcing Braun stereotypes

[@benlagman1]

cant blame the kid from copying donk's settings.

[@valeGoat]

Thorin’s point is just common sense, “locker room” talk is never meant to be soft because all the people involved rely on one another, their livelihood and reputation are at stake. That’s just how it happens in every sport really, that’s precisely why professional athletes have developed a wooden language to address speculations publicly, cuz most of the stuff they talk couldn’t be made public without generating a shitstorm. On a side note, there is one angle i didn’t see get mentioned on the k0nfig malta topic, which is being referenced in this video, namely i don’t get why people never discussed why the astralis members were at the club that night to begin with (they had just lost the epl playoff spot in the last game against their rivals heroic). What was the point of going out, there was nothing to celebrate and they were flying out next day anyway. Couldn’t they just go out and get hammered on their own time ? Feel like its a dumbass thing to allow from an org standpoint.

[@waffen98]

It wasn’t all of them, it was just k0nfig

[@valeGoat]

@@waffen98 nah supposedly they all went to the club, k0nfig came in last and the bouncer wouldn’t let him in, or so it was reported initially.

[@zackdnep]

I watched the video and immediately was just confused at what everyone was so mad about. Even the deleted part with Maden wasn't bad at all. I was told worse things when I played elementary school baseball lmao. Some people really have never played anything in a highly competitive team environment. No, your MG2 rank matchmaking games where you can mute anyone that criticizes you do not count.

[@Alex_zer0_Shoveller]

as someone who has used one type of mouse since i started Go in 2013 (razer deathadder) this is the stupidest shit i ever seen

[@gonzalocanas8335]

"The different culture" kick Boros from the team

[@mckinleyostvig7135]

I think it's a failure by management and content to put out this kind of video but the players did nothing wrong by leveraging these criticisms. 100% this is a case of soft esports fans pretending they are Boros. If you're a world level competitor competing for millions of dollars you don't get to disregard your job and be ultra lazy and terrible to your teammates who are all better than you.

[@keepcalm3547]

Sounds like boros has bought some nice bet on himself losing, LOL, cause he will be out of the team soon anyway. Maybe, maybe Boros just had this negative outlook of his career to being with sadly.

[@louiso1477]

yet again terminally online people get upset about a totally normal occurrence. whats new?

[@AM2K2]

TRUE

[@bobbob-gv1ev]

don't be a lazy mare, add timestamps

[@63alkash]

Well, whatever, don't care about that shitshow of a team

[@unquietvoid]

banger vid

[@Impos1bl3x]

I didn't the big picture about Boros, now i'm Agree with all what you tell in video, but If boros have only AIM to offer, maybe there is the zonic problem and fault for choose him instead of any others players, if want a structure, you need a player what can handle this better.

[@cd2194]

they had nothing else since plan was to get niko and boros was the best player at falcons at the time so they had to bring him for the major

[@Impos1bl3x]

@@cd2194 Jks was free, magisk can took boros role.

[@friqd7439]

@@cd2194 launx is unironically better

[@juanme555]

@@Impos1bl3x jks is free now, he was still benched on G2 at the time falcons rounded up also jks would role-clash with magisk and maden

[@zettour.]

​@@Impos1bl3xSo let's take the best anchor in CS history and put him on full no-brain aggro? Then get jks, someone who is just Magisk but worse? Brother, don't go into management ever.

[@graysonarabia]

I'm 50/50 on this. BOROS acted incredibly unprofessionally and has a lot of issues he needs to work on. That said, some of your takes on this Thorin are whack. If you're gonna talk about professionalism and talk about the flaws of BOROS in this regard, you can't excuse the unprofessionalism from Zonic and the other players. As in, the hostility and resentment is not understandable at all. These are PROFESSIONAL players and a coach. You get paid as a professional athlete to play with whoever your GM or org signs. You get paid as a coach, to COACH whoever your GM or org signs. Any personal bias you have before this relationship begins needs to be left at the door. If you in any way hold resentment or are actively hostile towards a teammate simply because you wanted to play with someone else, you're being unprofessional. We can only speculate, but anyone who has been in a team environment like this before, knows it leads to nothing positive and that blame can only be laid on the players and Zonic for creating that environment to begin with. Quoting Monte is also a bit wild considering they've not even got close to the peak they had with BOROS. Surely, if he was such a negative influence on that team, you'd expect them to be better now. Either way, hopefully this works out for both parties. In an ideal world, Falcons will get a player they actually respect and want in the team and BOROS will realize he needs to get his shit together and be a better teammate inside and outside of the game.

[@friendscallmeap]

First of all, Monte peaked at top 11 with Boros, after he left they broke into top10 and peaked at top 6. They did slide down in CS2, partially due to the sickness issues within the roster, also it is a new game. In regards to Falcons situation, Boros has done enough himself to fuck it up. You can't paint a picture of 'well, all of that happened because they didn't like him' for a supposed professional. The supposed unprofessionalism of Falcons doesn't excuse the confimed unprofessionalism of Boros. Per your description 'unprofessionalism from Zonic and the other players', what are you on about? They put him in the good positions, they coached him in and outside of the server. They did what they were supposed to do 'even if they didn't like him or had resentment towards him'. That's what professionalism is. Meanwhile Boros is late to the practice and doesn't even have his equipment and setup ready for the match.

[@peasant_KARL1K]

Watch more videos of Thorin and you understand what topic is talking about. Casual fans don t understand this and don t need to dig into tier 1... I respect second guy outside/inside server means a lot speculation and use word "professionalism" means nothing. You don t watch video correctly aren't you ?

[@cz_czan]

NOTE FOR READER: a canadian has written this comment

[@graysonarabia]

Yeah, if you consider HLTV ranking which is easily manipulated as "peaking" fair enough. Monte was grinding CCT cups, Roobet, ESL Challengers and other tier 2/3 tournaments. It's not surprising their ranking went up, but do you really think they are a better team? When it really matters (Blast, Kato, the RMR) they shit the bed (5-8th at Blast, 9-12th at Kato, 12-14th in the RMR). Even with the caveat on sdy being sick for the RMR, those are inexcusable performances. What unprofessionalism am I citing? I'm citing Thorin talking about it being understandable for them to have some resentment and hostility towards BOROS before the project even started since he wasn't the player they wanted to play with. That is unprofessional. You're getting paid to play with whoever the org puts on your team, this isn't 2015 anymore. If you're gonna bitch about not having the teammate you want, go be like Twist and fade into obscurity in tier 4/5 playing with your friends. @@friendscallmeap

[@thelast1090]

​@graysonarabia bruh you too cray cray...wtf you talking about? 😂 are you Boros step brother?

[@benmayer7326]

Boros fucked it 100%

[@TYLERLOVESBMX1]

If you follow high level aim competitions, changing mice is nothing to even blink at. Its not a big deal.

[@paroxysm6437]

It is a big deal if changing those settings causes inconsistency and crucial whiffs. This isn’t an aim lab scenario where it’s a time limit. It’s making the crucial kills quickly under pressure

[@TYLERLOVESBMX1]

@@paroxysm6437 m8 if you dont think there is pressure with a timer right above you and you get 1 chance to hit a high score for 50k usd then idk but you got nerves of steel lol but i know what your getting at. Beyond hardware shit some of us use sensitivity randomizers to give even more challenge lol

[@TYLERLOVESBMX1]

@@paroxysm6437 m8 if you dont think there is pressure with a timer right above you and you get 1 chance to hit a high score for 50k usd then idk but you got nerves of steel lol but i know what your getting at. Beyond hardware shit some of us use sensitivity randomizers to give even more challenge lol

[@thecoon9809]

I'm 50/50 on this 😒

[@thegrandplay1780]

You're not meant to understand it then, so don't view it as an issue. You yourself won't have to deal with such troublesome scenarios in life, just keep away from anything top-1% related, or you'll soon start to experience the human race at its most fierce and egotistical self. Being a spectator has its pros too though. You get to feel like you understand every part of something while not doing so in the slightest... COLLECTIVELY WITH ALL YOUR FRIENDS🥳

[@henryhuynh3574]

give him a chance, doesn't matter

[@totoro1605]

you're restarted

[@KerplunkTM]

guys what did boombla do? 12:45 or he means the wife incident which wasnt really bad or directly his fault

[@s0meRand0m129]

he snorted cocaine and his ex-wife leaked the photo ruining his reputation even more

[@KerplunkTM]

@@s0meRand0m129 ye nothing bad then

[@Team-qo8vu]

Торин сказал правду так почему все так хейтят ??? Торин + реп

[@johnbeaker8721]

Please fix your mic Thorin, it's peaking constantly and it sounds like absolute ass. Drop the gain down by 5db and it'd be so much better.