Accusatory at Things or People?

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[@sophiaredwood5825]

I think my favorite part about the entirety of this video is that Dave keeps bringing the conversation back to the things while Shan is being accusatory towards the people in the audience hahaha

[@sophiaredwood5825]

Update: I am now going back through all of Dave and Shan’s videos and realizing how much of a common theme this is (Shan going on about the people “You/I”, then Dave spinning the conversation to be about things, and then the both of them handing the baton back and forth) and it’s blowing my mind. Really good example of it in this video here kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4jMc5ucltWla80 I genuinely can’t believe I never noticed they did this before. I’m going to be searching every video for this now, and then applying it to how I try to type people around me. This Ne-Fi is very happy :))

[@tnic3255]

LOL!

[@elainecary2884]

I do see Dave accusing the audience but it’s in a very “I don’t take myself seriously” way. When Shan does it, it’s like life or death haha.

[@sophiaredwood5825]

@@elainecary2884 Hahahaha agreed

[@erinbyrd5377]

Could that be the difference between Fi inferior in Shan and Fi child in Dave Powers?

[@Hyurno]

I feel like my biggest break point was accepting I was a feeler. I realized I was embarrassed of showing emotions and I tried TOO HARD to give everyone my reasons and show off how rational I am, because I was scared of being percieved as dumb, or immature, or irrational or ilogical. I was full out peacocking the living crap out of it. Once I asked around and accepted it, my life has been so much better. I can process my emotions in a healthier manner, I'm more honest with myself and others... And I've also learned to be less scared of my weaknesses and flaws. I want to be better, heal and make those around me happier. Being self aware is very hard. I don't wanna be like "oh I'm this one special type" and show it off. I wanna know myself to a point where I stop bullshitting who I am so that I can actually grow and be happier. Being a feeler is not so bad.

[@Krisenaa]

Extremely relatable. I always knew I was a feeler, but from my late teens to my mid 20s I was stuck in "left brain prison". The irony is that I'm probably an INFJ Jumper, which would make me savior Ti instead of savior Fe, but life is so much better when I use Fe than Ti.

[@spook6394]

i’m at a point where i’m wondering if i’m doing this somehow. not sure how to figure it out. i’ve thought i’m an ISTP for a while.

[@Amaend8]

I feel what you mean but how do you know if you're a feeler

[@sirbradfordofhousejones]

You are so right about the “fake desires” thing when it comes to typing. My Ni is clearly a demon, yet I have this weird obsession with “a ha! I know exactly the right pattern for my life!” And guess what? Those almost always fail, as they are fleeting and not very thought out.

[@tiffann9514]

So true, I always think " that's a great direction for my life" or " if I do this and this I'll be happy" Then I see something shiny and new and start worrying about committing to that one thing and there gos that plan down the toilet. 😂

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

As a Ti dom I see Ti demons often do the "a ha! I know exactly [how to ti] on this rare occasion when I'm doing Ti and feeling the ultrarare satesfaction of doing it more than just 1 layer deep" and when I see them do that often they fail because they do it in a super shallow way that's like 4 layers deep and I'm 20 layers of Ti and find them cute.

[@PayAttentionToThePatterns]

@@cyberneticbutterfly8506 ur a geek

[@RoqbinReality]

Rant at 5:40 is 100% correct. I keep seeing this over and over with people new to the system that don't get what you guys are tracking compared to other systems. It isn't about what you desire and "like" to do, its about what you are actually doing and the voids you are leaving for yourself and others. Didn't expect to get that from this video but I'm pleased to see it snuck into this one.

[@bprett]

This is a serious EUREKA video for me. At a prenatal appointment, my OB/GYN asked if I was worried about anything... Well, I was feeling awfully overwhelmed by all of the GEAR and equipment needed for a new baby. Felt no fear about actually caring for the child, or loving them, or parenting, etc because I am confident in my capacities in that regard or else I was confident I'd be able to figure it all out, but just raging at the fucking amount of gear and shit I had to research, purchase, assemble, learn how to use, clean, maintain... Not that I'm incapable of using these things, but I find it to be such a slog. At work, I feel annoyed with having 50 portals with all different purposes, different login credentials, documentation, hunting down signatures, but I have no qualms about building rapport with people, explaining procedures and medications to them, answering questions, making them feel comfortable and at ease. THANK YOU for your sharing your incisive insight!

[@attheranch873]

This is valuable information. I am an IP and I do the accusatory thing. It’s good to know that I need to focus on the thing rather than the people, and the WAY to do that is stop saying YOU! Thank you very much 😀

[@callumrhind1357]

WHY CANT I GET THE THING TO DO THE THING I INTENDED IT TO DO AAAAHHHHHH - me trying to do basic household chores, an ENTP

[@sandrah4052]

1:12 she’s saying she doesn’t get why people do that but then puts her tribe member hat on and takes a stab at guessing. great example of the ease in which double deciders can hop btwn self/tribe

[@alternaterealism1495]

This is hilarious! Being human is not easy I guess! We come in shades but funny how we normalize our view as the standard!

[@sybrandwoudstra9236]

She seems so relatable for some reason. Just a normal calm person with a schedule who cares about other people.

[@theoristsophist3304]

wow nice example I wasn't able to catch it in place.

[@orangeziggy348]

@@sybrandwoudstra9236 Double deciders feel relatable, imo, because they are "relating to" both sides of reality/perspectives.

[@bauerhte]

"No no no, it's a beautiful thing". ❤

[@AnaMargaridaSings]

OMG THAT END CLIP KILLED ME

[@StephanieJeanne]

That was hilarious!😂

[@StephanieJeanne]

👍Yes. We are all conditioned from childhood to gloss over, ignore, or "run away" from negativity, fear, anger, etc., rather than learning how to embrace it, examine, and use it as a learning tool.

[@justinwhite2725]

Especially April mouthing at the end.

[@StephanieJeanne]

@@justinwhite2725 I like her👍😂

[@jks234]

Great video. I’ve recently realized that I heavily resist a lot of ways of thinking that are literally the solutions to my biggest problems. I just didn’t want to look there. INTP. “People won’t listen to me.” The general idea is I am not cooperating with them. So I have begun consciously noticing when I resist Si, Fe and Te. And relaxing into them. I have started to schedule and plan my life. And immediately, things are getting done. (Imagine that.) If I develop my ability to be compassionate with people and reliable, I can see my life improving 1000x. The rule of thumb for me now is if I think someone’s way of thinking is wrong, I’m probably reacting and I need to relax and look into it.

[@tiffann9514]

I seriously thought something was wrong with me, for like ever, until I grasped this concept. As a estp, I do great with costumers and problem solving... you stick me in front of a cash register, or computer, there will be tears and stupid questions till the boss can't stand to see the suffering any longer 😂

[@barrydworak]

Se Ti can't deal with operating a machine? Makes you cry? Sounds more like Se Ti figured out how a woman can manipulate her way out of doing work and offload it onto others.

[@tiffann9514]

@@barrydworak lol! Sounds like someone can't understand sarcasm! Did you miss the point of this video? It's showing the difference between struggling with objects or people... I guess this conversation is a good example.😆

[@barrydworak]

@@tiffann9514 no, there was nothing there to indicate sarcasm. I'm an ISTP and I have plenty of real world experience with people with learned helplessness. Nothing you wrote was out of line with what I've actually seen at work. Remember, we can't see your facial expressions in plain text. 🤣

[@tiffann9514]

@@barrydworak Are you still missing the point of the video? You're a very bitter man aren't you?😂 Good luck saving the world from us lazy workers!

[@barrydworak]

@@tiffann9514 whatever. I'm not an ESTJ. I also know how to write a joke so people know it's a joke.

[@lukap7297]

this is very true... i study enneagram which is based on core desires and fears and i notice when typing people when they say their desires, its so much more vague ... but their fears are so much deeper and easier to explore and use that info to determine their type... someone i mistakenly typed as an 8w7 because they like to be in chage and control others, but i learned that comes from a fear of not being good enough and that “control” is their attempt to make everyone else good as well... so theyre a 1w2... but yes this is all so true; fear holds more truth than desire at times like these i see

[@CaveyMoth]

I feel like that train sometimes. Is the savior pulling, or is the demon pushing?

[@someonerandom713]

"Accusatory at Things or People" Why not both? 🤔

[@hunpo1]

Yep many people are straight-up both

[@endgamez7621]

im not even sure with this bc ik ppl who flip out with both respectively

[@joshuasukup2488]

I could see that if you overuse your second function and ignore your 3rd...

[@caveatlector2022]

💯✔

[@caveatlector2022]

@@SailorSiFi Word. But the video is literally titled: "... things *or* people..." This stuff will only ever be accurate when "both," "neither," &/or "depends," are accurately accounted for. Until then, Bias & Daren Browns predatory nlp hypnotical horsesh*t will drive the standard. That is (obv) my opinion.

[@dianadias3]

Oh now I see why my boyfriend says I am always accusing him of things.. I am not even aware

[@caveatlector2022]

A Scientist walks into a bar... And trips over it.

[@SahVayvay]

This is a really awesome clip! So much packed in there! ❤️

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

There should be some sort of clear statement of "This is the category of situation where you who are focused on things ought to not do that, and this is the category of situation where you who are focused on people ought not to do that." and "This is how you do it instead and why it's better".

[@austinbodiford6360]

I like breaking down thought processes (like how we get to an idea) with others but I often run into some who do NOT like this. And if I don't acknowledge what they are saying they acuse me of not listening. Which always confuses me. I completely understood what they said the 1st time although there was flaws with the facts. Or it was guess work about what I'm thinking. I then explain my thinking and they will accuse me of not listening. 🤦‍♂️"why do I have to agree with what you're saying?" I've learned to pause and repeat what they have said and proceed. Often this is where my trouble comes from. It feels like "everyone" is yelling at me "you're not listening to us!" Umm no I'm hearing you loud and clear I disagree and you don't want to hear my thoughts either. I think this is tribe problems. This isn't everyone. These interactions come from people that others have stated difficulties with in the same area. Honestly this is where I get confused 🤷‍♂️

[@joshuasukup2488]

Sounds like people with f over t. Maybe just fi over te? I have met some people who cannot comprehend understanding them AND disagreeing with them. Seems like they may a blindside there. So they are always confused by it...

[@orangeziggy348]

Sounds like you have TI, putting reasoning first, instead of using human conversational rules, like using validation, which can be Fi or Fe, but it is still a human need, and you are in fact having a human conversation. SO putting TI first would be more welcomed in a Philosophy college class where students learn how to lay out the reasons in order; but I dont think regular conversations go that way; its more like something that is casual.

[@austinbodiford6360]

@@orangeziggy348 yea seems like the squeakiest wheel gets the grease. Whoever pitches a fit with their functions the most has people cater to them. I think you're correct. Prob Ti. I'm very swayed by others on the feeling spectrum. If someone is more vocal about a topic liking or not liking it I feel like I have to validate their feelings. Im never one to use Ti against others. Which ironically that's what it appears people think I am doing. 😅 thus Di probs

[@orangeziggy348]

@@austinbodiford6360 If you dont acknowledge what people are saying, and instead you are quiet and are waiting until their speaking is over for you to then parse out whether one fact reasonably follows each proceeding fact in a logical order and what the logical conclusion is, then they will feel that you are absent but not know why you are absent, and it might feel upsetting to them ( especially if they are a feeler, then they might feel it as neglect or disrespect). I wish I could know what TI's are actually thinking about when they decide to be quiet instead of reply to me, maybe that is your solution- try to bring your conversational partner into your thinking style by letting them know what you are thinking instead of keeping quiet.

[@Ashleyforreal]

“Can’t track your liar words” so good😆

[@siunkii]

edit: I commented before finishing the video, so take this undone thought-process-question as you may, haha! So how would you put it if in my mind the blame is always on people but I almost immediately come up with a way to blame the things? Is it a thing Observers do but isn't talked about since it doesn't show up (it staying inside ones mind)? I remember clearly at some point in middle school learning to write better and avoiding the hell out of "I/Me/Myself" and other pronouns like that. Up until about two years ago I would have never used "I" so much like I can do now, but even now it's only in places like comment sections (which feels like just thinking on paper but people comment so like mind reading? lol) and ofc in my mind before speaking up about the "The". I do get extremely stressed when people around me speak a lot in the Decider-Accusatory at people -way and would prefer we all speak some weird political nonsense without any emphasis on who did what, haha. Would this mean anything extra in terms of typing myself or is it just your regular Observer thinking process? I'm probs a ST as well so I ask dumb questions all the time, trying to clarify everything. Do pardon me but please also answer, haha.

[@cyberneticbutterfly8506]

The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown. H. P. Lovecraft

[@Friponnepolissonne]

Thank you ! It was a nice watch. Now I feel like I need to check at what I don't want to look at ahaha. By the way, do you have any tips to do so and to stay focused and concious in the process of it ?

[@tikatikb]

Shan pls show us the eye shadow tutoriallll, i believe it should be really effective method!

[@billyb4790]

I’m INFJ so that makes me a double decider but my biggest fear is still people. Is that possible according to your theory? People are simply chaotic and destroy my world. I don’t want them around unlesss absolutely necessary 🤷‍♂️

[@jjrj9343]

I've got all the patience in the world for people, but god forbit my FUCKING BLUETOOTH DOESNT CONNECT for whatever god damn reason this time

[@wendikl7179]

This is so good. I will swear up and down I care more about things than people...but I just caught myself thinking "I can't believe those people held onto my table." 😂

[@wendikl7179]

That sounded wrong, I'm not superficial LOL

[@Angelsings4god]

Lol, my sister says I never get mad at people, but I’m ticked when I loose a pair of shoes. I might be an infp.

[@2packsofsugar378]

Infp freak out about people. They are self above tribe

[@audy2174]

Could you be ENFP?

[@austinbodiford6360]

6:21 the planners 🤣🤣🤣

[@andrewchanda6980]

🤣🤣🤣🤣the video at the end though😂😂😂😂😂

[@anonymouslearner2454]

Could someone explain why is it that observers are unbalanced about things and deciders about people? Like there is also information that can be processed and observation about people and there are also decisions about things.

[@joshuasukup2488]

The idea is because your 4th function is so weak your 1st function dominates it. This makes for imbalanced views and actions. So an Ni dom will find the weak se is flaring up in stuff like not turning the fuel cutoff on on a lawn mower. ("This fucking machine is stupid! Why do they need a switch!?") Then an Fi dom would be like ("these people don't see what is important, why won't they just help me so the whole thing works better?!") So the ni dome doesn't understand the lawn mower (thing) and the fi dom doesn't understand how everyone else values (people). This is just 2 examples, but hopefully it helps.

[@anonymouslearner2454]

@@joshuasukup2488 Thank you so much for explaining. It does help a lot. 🤍😊 If you have time, could you please also explain this - I have doubt about why wouldn't a person with demon Fe accuse a thing which is considered popular and valuable for not working according to their Ti's framework, and why wouldn't a person with saviour Si accuse people of not giving complete information and giving the responsibility to guess on their own?

[@Heart.headed]

Cliff notes my Folks: "We're going after what *TRIGGERS!* you. Cuz, that's where you're hiding out." 😉💪🏼😎

[@jtwright4095]

if they'll lie about the colour, what WON'T they lie about?!!

[@tm27field]

The Aubrey plaza clip at the end 😂😂😂

[@pebblebrookbooks4852]

"Yellow" truck messed my late husband up for *years. Thank God he wasn't color blind like my cousin omg.

[@worldwidehappiness]

Yes, we must look at our fears. But personality stuff won't get to the core fear and the core issue.

[@jitbug5312]

Anyone know what’s up with the Today’s q&a video ad situation?

[@bliss252]

4:15 lol! That exact thing happened to me. I was on the phone and said "you did..." and the person cut me off and said "there's many of us here". Which surprised me coz I actually meant "You" in general, jeez haha. -intp

[@sandraumney5516]

good god i want to understand and accept myself at this levil. there is is: I want. Arghghghgh

[@alternaterealism1495]

It’s ok, western culture is the problem!

[@nathanbradley7311]

it's not you it's me 🤪

[@PhotoRubio]

(ISTP) I love how Dave didn't want to type Elizabeth Olsen and yet he made a good discovery as a result. "Eat your cognitive vegetables and you'll grow up big and strong!"

[@souldial6838]

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[@noturbo]

if you cant spell a word at least 3 different ways your not trying hard enough. 😄

[@endgamez7621]

lmao

[@brucewayne2184]

From this video I think Dave is an ENTJ.

[@attheranch873]

He says he’s an INTJ

[@joshuasukup2488]

Well it is just one video. He is in many more videos. If you can objectively approach it. Type each video and see what you get!

[@yamamma9224]

From this video he seems very much Intj

[@brucewayne2184]

Fe = accusatory on people Te = accusatory on things Good observation.

[@joshuasukup2488]

Maybe but that is not what they are saying. They think if your T and F is your 2nd and 3rd function you are balanced on people, but lopsided on things. And vice versa as well if your S and N are in 2nd and 3rd you are balanced on things, but lopsided on people.

[@dawnriddler]

not at all, both Te and Fe are tribe functions

[@natasha9805]

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