Ace King Strategy Tip for Going All In: Deciding When to Push

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@CrushlivePoker 8 ай бұрын

When thinking about going thin for remaining stacks a key factor to consider is "reverse pot odds" and if you can get called by worse more than 50% of the time.

@Stockhandle123 8 ай бұрын

I don't understand you should just be ripping it all in on the turn. So I don't know how to answer what I would do on the river cause I would already be all in. I guess if I had a total brain fart and just called to return I'm gonna go ahead and jam this river over his bet.

@bluerushing8563 8 ай бұрын

Then you would have won $900 less then the hero here @TheTree1

@gabrielrockman 8 ай бұрын

If I was the villain, I'm not betting a King on the river. I mean what would I be trying to get called by? Ace Queen??

@JohnSmith-nx7zj 8 ай бұрын

@@Stockhandle123feels hard to balance. What hands are you ripping turn with besides AK? Though I guess if you think Kx and sets aren’t folding and AA is just giving up on the river anyway it doesn’t matter.

@Stockhandle123 8 ай бұрын

@@JohnSmith-nx7zj it's an unbalanced rip but the spot comes up so rarely vs the same opponents live there is no need to balance it. You have no bluffs here and it doesn't matter.

@OhCanadaMoose 8 ай бұрын

From Syracuse, nice to hear a Turning Stone call. In a live setting vs unknown im check raising turn all in to just stack KK and KQ suited bc I dont think anyone is finding a hero fold there and I dont want to donk jam river and I dont want to count on a river bet from villain. A lot of villains wont be able to fold their sets either

@ThePatriots010304 4 ай бұрын

You have to pay attention to bet sizing. That flop bet was 20% of the pot which is extremely small in a 4-bet pot with that board. Even though it's an unknown player, I would find it very hard to believe that he would bet for such a small sizing with a set vs that board texture. In my career I don't ever remember being in a 4-bet pot where my opponent bets the flop to what amounts to a blocker bet with a strong hand. So, if you can rule out a set with a very high level of confidence then check raising the turn would be a mistake as you'd be folding out bluffs like this guy would have done had he check raised the turn.

@mkader2494 8 ай бұрын

Thanks for sharing that degen nugget, Bart

@spaffron4285 8 ай бұрын

Well played... those punts are hard to catch sometime when the ball gets lost in the lights

@peterbruno657 8 ай бұрын

Turning Stone Casino. I spent a week there one night

@stevenundisclosed6091 7 ай бұрын

Easy check raise on the turn.

@datsumcrzysht 8 ай бұрын

Despite my 20+ years of playing, I don’t think I’d have the wherewithal to consider raising all in with consideration to “reverse pot odds” when I’m more likely on the cusp of a call/fold with the river pairing.

@Jermo484 8 ай бұрын

Folding here would be wildly awful.

@datsumcrzysht 8 ай бұрын

@@Jermo484 Based on V’s turn play, I completely agree with you…player dependent of course. But my comment was that it was call/fold heavily leaning toward call. It was more so a comment to suggest that I need to start thinking about holes in my game and potentially shoving in a situation where it wasn’t natural for me to have considered making such a play for said reason.

@robs4530 8 ай бұрын

great call thanks for all the content

@lilwoozyvert3635 8 ай бұрын

If Hero raised the river, the Villain probably would have tank-folded and claimed he had something like AA lol. Must be a fun table to have a guy cold 4 betting A7s!

@TheDazeez 7 ай бұрын

I have a question for Bart and all poker players but it’s unrelated tot his video. I’m the manager at a smaller casino. What are some things that I should have in my poker room that people like? IE Monte Carlo board, bad beat bonuses, etc. also what kind of specials? And what stakes and structures should I run for a smaller city of around 40,000 with some bigger cities within an hour and also a pretty decent business hub, so we get a large amount of out of town people here for months at a time ?

@stevezagieboylo9172 8 ай бұрын

I agree with you that I don't see a set betting that turn, so I give Hero still the winning hand on the river. But once that board pairing card came up, I was thinking that Hero should just blast to get villain off a chop.

@pot_kivach160 8 ай бұрын

_I don't see a set betting that turn_ , what you don't see might not necessarily be absent in reality! . blast what? There was only 300 left in effective stack!

@erikolson5291 8 ай бұрын

Turning AK into a bluff by donkjamming river 🤢🤢🤮🤮🤮

@stevezagieboylo9172 8 ай бұрын

@@pot_kivach160 There was only 300 left because hero went for the check-raise. After villain's bet there was only 300 left. I'm talking about not checking, but just blasting.

@alwaysup22 8 ай бұрын

Potential tell is when $900 bet on river and hero only has $1200. If you had a boat, you would make sure you went all in to target King X and AK. The "throwing $900" into the pot at river looks and feels bluffy as caller describes.

@Holden-ie5gm 7 ай бұрын

I'm the opponent in this hand actually though he only had 800 in stack miss saw his track

@lpslpslpslpslpslps 8 ай бұрын

Just a typical 1000BB pot. The reasoning about shoving makes sense (and I wouldn't have thought of it). I think folding is wrong but I'd be so tempted given the obscene size of the pot. I wonder if villain thought he could get AK to fold (or if he was thinking at all).

@joncorb540 8 ай бұрын

I think in this case shoving the rest is pointless because there's nothing worse that will call. A king isn't betting 900 on that river.

@Holden-ie5gm 7 ай бұрын

I'm actually the opponent from the hand been a subscriber for a long time. Definitely wasn't trying to fold AK actually thought he would have less combos of AK because thought he would raise with that hand pre sometimes and turn a lot. Trying to make KQ KJ KK to fold all the Kx combos

@lpslpslpslpslpslps 7 ай бұрын

@@Holden-ie5gm you thought he'd 5 bet with AKo pre? Definitely would be in a world of hurt with just a king facing that bet at the end

@Holden-ie5gm 7 ай бұрын

@@lpslpslpslpslpslps yes definitely thought AK would 5 bet if look up solver play it's almost 75% of the time felt like this was the perfect time for him to facing small 4 bet from oop

@lpslpslpslpslpslps 7 ай бұрын

@@Holden-ie5gm interesting. I don't really have a 5b range but I never play this deep

@JimmyJones-k1j 8 ай бұрын

Small turn lead? As played, min-raise?

@stevenroberts5740 8 ай бұрын

Before i hear the end I am thinking you have pocket tens and you pull and open ender, when you hit a set of tens on the turn I dont see you not betting.

@JKenny44 Ай бұрын

I'd probably bet a set on the turn as villain. XR all in turn as hero

@losyart 8 ай бұрын

Only total beginner or crazy person woulda bet set on turn to potentially get raised big and have tough decision to chase or not to chase boat so i exclude boats as well then yes AK becomes a jam on river with such assumption

@Stockhandle123 8 ай бұрын

Every good player is going to go ahead and bet a fair amount of their sets on the turn so they can have boats on the river with a bet bet line. Really bad players are the only players that always check back their sets on the turn. So you just have to know who you're up against. Not that it matters you should just be jamming all over top of his turn bet.

@user-jt2bf6ym1o 8 ай бұрын

Only a total beginner thinks like that. IP should totally bet a lot of their sets but with a smaller sizing.

@DallasDelRio 8 ай бұрын

@@Stockhandle123villain cold 4bet pre, meaning when he bets on turn he either has AK with you, KK, or he’s bluffing. QQ / JJ is not betting here. You get a free turn card. You pot control in case you’re beat, and if you boat up you have the effective nuts. When you bet turn, that line makes no sense. Your hand can’t be strong on the flop and on the turn unless you have KK, which we block. That gives me free rein to jam over the top and put you in a terrible spot with the potential nuts.

@pot_kivach160 8 ай бұрын

@@Stockhandle123 _who you're up against..._ you're up against a 3-bet-4-bet caller! It's absolutely reasonable that a K is in his hands. Betting turn excludes that option. Betting turn with a set with sole intention to river a boat is mark of...(you finish this ).

@johnryal 8 ай бұрын

@@pot_kivach160why wouldn’t a set bet the turn and check behind a blank? Wouldn’t it be a one street bet either way?

@Chemissed-qc1bt 8 ай бұрын

Never a good bluff when repping a straight on turn and hoping to fold out sets, then switching to repping a boat on river...bet size on turn I'm not even sure if many sets fold, which makes river bluff suicidal Isn't villlian's line only folding out AQ, QJ, 88, slivers of 99. If you are going to tripple off on a scary board then maybe don't do it against the 3bettor that has such a strong range that connects with the board appart from AA and KK

@lookaguru 8 ай бұрын

You have to jam the river. If he has a boat he has a boat. He has KK often enough to give the reverse pot odds

@ThePatriots010304 4 ай бұрын

If you're hero, you think villain has kings or better after facing the blocker type bet on the flop? I can't imagine anyone ever having kings, aces or a set when they only bet 20% on the flop in a 4-bet pot.

@johnryal 8 ай бұрын

Why wouldn’t a set bet the turn? It’s a one street game and we have position. We can always check back river when we bet turn and are called. the villain checks river we could check behind.

@jambojack 8 ай бұрын

Post flop seems standard to me. But I wonder if there's a stack depth where you stop 3-betting AKo out of position, and instead polarize to just AA/KK and hands that are easier to play post-flop like suited aces. The idea of playing AKo out of position 600 blinds deep doesn't thrill me

@JohnSmith-nx7zj 8 ай бұрын

8:26 how do you balance leading on the turn?

@datsumcrzysht 8 ай бұрын

I don’t think it’s as necessary to balance in live play…at least in the low to mid stakes.

@ThePatriots010304 4 ай бұрын

It's not necessary. I wouldn't worry about balancing your play until you get to 5/10.

@Crazy_Dude2490 8 ай бұрын

What do you think if hero goes tribet all in on the turn and ask 3 board trying to show weakness, in this case 3 rivers, because the opponent should had QQ, JJ, TT, QJ, QT, Q9, KQ? With 3 rivers the hero will win at least ⅔ of the pote, because the opponent should only had 10, 6 or 3 outs, if he wasn't crazy thinking his the next Dwan! Also if hero ask boards on the turn after tribeting all in, the opponent will call with QQ, JJ because the hero in that situation can have TT or 99.

@EllieBanks333 8 ай бұрын

This was a crazy hand. My biggest problem here is finding the hand villain calls with on the river. Seriously, what hand can he have? KK? I personally would not bet 900 with KK in this river spot, but if I did & got raised all-in for another 300 could I find a call? Getting 10 to 1 is great, but what could I ever beat? I think Bart's "reverse pot odds" is a sound idea mathematically, but I'm not sure it applies given the way this hand played. Could villain ever call with less than KX? Like what if villain had AA? Again, I would not have played AA like this to the decision point, but if I did could I ever find a call? Even getting 10 to 1? I think the problem is that reverse pot odds goes the other way too. What is the perceived fold equity of the jam from hero here? I just don't ever think it's a bluff. I think hero actually has the minimum hand he would ever jam with. Hero would have to be making this play with KX. Why? To get villain off of what? The reveal tells us this was just a massive punt by the villain. But all the punt air-ball BS just folds to any raise here. So we have to find real hands that will call. Boats will call & hero loses. AK will call & it's a split. I just have a hard time believing that AA or KK will ever both play this way & call a jam. I suppose KX might feel that they cannot fold a pat hand getting 10 to 1... I think it should though. I would have won much less than our hero did on this hand. I think I'd have raised the turn. Which probably gets a fold from villain.

@datsumcrzysht 8 ай бұрын

I completely agree with your assessment. Majority of the time as played, I’m raising the turn on this hand as well.

@andrewchisholm3476 8 ай бұрын

I think K Q and KJ on the turn are probable leads

@johnmar6376 7 ай бұрын

My solver says: hero pre flop should 5bet 72% of the time. does not want to play oop and no lead On flop: chk 72% of time H-checks V-bets 75 H-call 100% of the time turn: H-chk 100% of time H-cks V-bet 325 H: call 66%/RR 34% "I like the RR much more here" RIV: H-chk 86%-Bet 14% V-Bets $900 H: Fold 23%/All in 3%/Call 74%

@Holden-ie5gm 7 ай бұрын

Actually the opponent from that hand. Why I didn't think he had AK alot thought he would 5 bet a lot because of oop and small 4 bet

@Dylan-vm4gl 8 ай бұрын

Downtown cuse is getting alright Bart ! 😝

@TomRauhe 8 ай бұрын

Classic 1000BB pot

@EternalSoul222 8 ай бұрын

Couldn't villain have KK as played?

@EllieBanks333 8 ай бұрын

I think his river bet would be suspect with KK. But if he does have that, can he call another 300?

@pot_kivach160 8 ай бұрын

no. KK would never hammer the river on a this board. No weaker hand would've called, nor stronger would've folded. AK or boats only. SO: H call was a fishy call. ( _This provided V plays sound poker. In 4-bet pot we're talking about pair of TT or stronger hand would've called pfr only)_

@molonlabe8792 8 ай бұрын

Bart. Why did you give up on Blackjack and embrace Poker?

@eternalselph 8 ай бұрын

because blackjack is my game and there can be only one best!

@molonlabe8792 8 ай бұрын

@@eternalselph Actually I was directing my question to Bart Hansen.

@eternalselph 8 ай бұрын

@@molonlabe8792 and I answered because I'm always relevant

@datsumcrzysht 8 ай бұрын

@@molonlabe8792 Is that a serious question…the same reason almost all card players shifted to Poker from other card games. In blackjack even if you play “perfect”, the house still has an advantage. In poker, such isn’t the case. Plus it’s a more cerebral game making it more fun and challenging.

@molonlabe8792 8 ай бұрын

@@datsumcrzysht Obviously your blackjack knowledge is severely lacking.

@Dylan-vm4gl 8 ай бұрын

Hahahaha let’s go cuseeeee turning stone wujuuuu

@johnmar6376 7 ай бұрын

If I was the hero here I would have gone all in on turn. I am willing to lose value so I don't have to make a tough decision on the river

@Dmatafonov23874 8 ай бұрын

What you went to university for, Bart? 😅 There are no gambling universities

@stevenstrauss759 8 ай бұрын

Make life simple. Jam turn.

@maltetheg 8 ай бұрын

I would've raised Turn Allin. I think some people play sets like this so you should deny the equity. Could we even fold this preflop? I feel like AKo is pretty much the low end of the range and I hate calling from SB.

@erikolson5291 8 ай бұрын

AKo is low end of sb v HJ 3bet range? You're way off buddy.

@WokeSteve 8 ай бұрын

I was thinking all in.We see he would fold anyway tho.

@devinhudson2300 7 ай бұрын

If you don't think he has a boat, you have to shove.. even if you think the bet is polarized.

@SketchyPoker 7 ай бұрын

I would lead river

@TheNow_Now 8 ай бұрын

Wow pretty sick attempt at a bluff by villain. At the same time A7s should never be cold 4b in this configuration. In this runout though, i winder what hands get to the river that will fold. Your hoping to fold out like AQ/QJ specifically. All Kx and boats obviously call. I guess theory wise you should have a small amount if bluffs there, and wheel Ax are probably the most likely ones.

@erikolson5291 8 ай бұрын

Wouldn't say A7s NEVER 4bets this configuration It COULD be an indication that v is too wide in that spot but it's a very reasonable partial 4! candidate

@TheNow_Now 8 ай бұрын

@@erikolson5291 I thought BB cold 4b bluffs should all be A wheel hands, mainly A5s, some A4, A3. If you're cold 4b A6-A9 here you are just too wide and are going to be 4b bluffing too much, and those hands can't make as many straights

@Holden-ie5gm 7 ай бұрын

Hi I'm actually opponent definitely think 4 bet is fine because we are 600 BB effect. Thanks for the complement on the bluff.

@TheNow_Now 7 ай бұрын

@@Holden-ie5gm kudos on the pretty sick bluff! Not many opponents I know that find spots like that, that deep. I do still think A7s is just a pip too wide though, if you 4b with all suited Ax you're probably going to be over bluffing there. Maybe boring, but I stick to small frequencies of A3s-A5s

@erikolson5291 7 ай бұрын

@@TheNow_Now agree w all this. I would personally make a note that villain may be too inclined to take spots. I do think another reasonable strat would be, say, squeezing 50% of all the suited Ace rag. Then you have a little additional coverage while maintaining a good frequency. Very subtle and probably only matters in the toughest games in the world.

@JohnSmith-nx7zj 8 ай бұрын

Jamming river I’m not sure about. Even if we assume villain will bet-call with all his Kx on the river how many Kx hands is that given villain cold 4-bet preflop? There’s 3 combos of KK and 2 combos of KQs. Does he cold 4-bet KJ or KTs? I’m not convinced. So that’s potentially only 5 combos. I guess if you’re absolutely sure he never takes this line with boats then it’s a jam.