DDR2 is DEAD.

[@giovaanflores7019]

I have some DDR2 at 1200 Mhz , pretty sure that is the fastest .

[@amdintelxsniperx]

the fastest ddr2 was 1333 only a few sticks were made but it was so late in the game it was quickly phased so good luck getting it lol

[@tripodpapaluigi8159]

Dear lord 💀

[@CryptoJordanVR]

The world record overclock for DDR2 is over 1800 MHz

[@amdintelxsniperx]

@@CryptoJordanVR true but that was from overclocking i think

[@amdintelxsniperx]

@@CryptoJordanVR i have some rare 4gb ddr2 sticks :)

[@RuruFIN]

The 840T has two disabled cores. With some luck, you can unlock it to a penta or hexa core.

[@aChairLeg]

Woah! I might have to revisit these to try that & overclock

[@jaedonhaskins9917]

@@aChairLeg its seriously worth a look. the 840t was my first "enthusiant" cpu that i bought. it was basically a an x6 1055t that didnt meet factory standards and had 2 cores disabled for reliability reasons. the ipc of the Phenom 2 chips are actually higher than the FX series chips. my "unlocked" and oc'ed 840t would regularly score at or above an fx-8350. those older generations of pc hardware had some serious charm.

[@TheeGlocktopus]

Depends on motherboard/revision. "Some luck" involves unsoldering CPU resistors from the mobo pad(s) and then soldering them to other pads. Google "EVGA E758 Rev 1.1 Mod" - You have to move resistor R538 to R539. Requires quite a bit of skill. Your breathing can simply blow the resistor away never to be found again.

[@BeefSnot]

No, you need the 940T. @@aChairLeg

[@zperdek]

I was running on P2 955 BE till 2019 and would be probably using till now if denuvo didn't happend. If i remember correctly Assassin's creed origins didn't start because denuvo didn't support older cpus.

[@3bdo_]

Being outside doesn’t stop me from watching even if it makes me look…special

[@aChairLeg]

We're all special on this blessed day!

[@Facade866]

Abdo is very special in our hearts.

[@philbertchow5425]

Voyeur?

[@hushus10021971]

Unfortunately in countrys like Denmark people think everything from a computer is GOLD or DIAMONDS... The prizes are WAY to high for old items My "old" system still runs AMD Phenom II 965 BE

[@craciunator99]

I had a 965 BE system, sold it when sandy bridge came out and built a better PC for the price i sold the 965 BE system for.

[@Engiduck]

I thought developed nations have lower prices for 2nd hand electronics because they have more disposable income?

[@baraka629]

​@@EngiduckSome people are just delusional about what their used hardware is worth.

[@TheLionAndTheLamb777]

@@craciunator99 I used my Phenom II x4 965BE running at 3.9Ghz till I got a i5 2400 system. That board only supported 8GB of memory which was fine when I first got it because people were still running two to four gigs of ram.

[@UltimatePerfection]

Not sure about diamond part, but some hardware is LITERALLY gold, due to the electrical properties of gold and its use in PCB traces where high performance is required such as RAM to CPU lines.

[@Armadurapersonal]

i use a core2duo thinkpad x200 pretty regularly, it's amazing how capable these old machines are with maxed ram and an ssd

[@picchioknossus8096]

hi, how much ram is the max? I do have 4gb and it really struggles with windows 11. Also is that ddr2 or 3? (i know some models had one or the other).

[@Armadurapersonal]

@@picchioknossus8096 ddr3, 4gb is the official max but 8gb apparently works.

[@HWandW]

⁠There are laptops that have Core2Duo that run DDR2 and some newer Core2Duos that run DDR3. Many of the Core2Duo laptops will max out at 8GB of RAM. I lug around a late 2009 MacBook that has a Core2Duo, 8GB RAM and an SSD. If it gets dropped, smashed, scratched, stolen, lost, then it's "whatever". Everything on the SSD is backed up to a cloud. It's nice having a laptop that I don't have to be concerned with something bad happening to it. The only thing I'd want out of it would be the RAM sticks to put into another "whatever" laptop.

[@HWandW]

@@ArmadurapersonalThat's what Apple had said about the late 2009 MacBook, but Intel's documentation showed that the Core2Duo could handle up to 8GB. So in 2014 when my parents upgraded their MacBook to 8GB, they had to take the word of PC tech over Apple. So if you're wondering, check out Intel's documentation via a web search. But compatibility doesn't end there. Manufacturer's BIOS/UEFI must support more RAM as well.

[@Armadurapersonal]

​@@HWandW seems like 2x4GB PC3-8500 should work. Haven't tried, I use mostly terminal apps or a single webpage open and haven't felt the need to upgrade to 8GB yet.

[@SuperWeirdPCs]

LGA 775 and AM2 sockets are still perfectly good for browsing web and creating your presentation or a document. It can even game for the most games till 2016-2017. I'm to this day still love em and use em. And the DDR3 systems sometimes costs more than the DDR4 system in my region. And the DDR2 systems cost hilariously low. I can do the 10-15$ fully working 775 PC with the GPU. And it seems perfectly good and valuable for such a price.

[@pamus6242]

Had a 1090T + 1600Mhz DDR3 with 650ti boost. Ran 4k video and games flawless. Over a decade ago! The 1090T had a better architecture than Bulldozer but on a 45nm versus the bulldozers 32.

[@TheLucidDreamer12]

Much like how the Core 2 chips are descendants of the Pentium III, the modern Ryzen chips are descendants of the Phenom II chips and not Bulldozer

[@pamus6242]

@@TheLucidDreamer12 Nope. Ryzen has nothing in common with Phenom II, except for maybe the instruction sets. Ryzen is an entirely new core with new interconnect design.

[@maladamedialabs4214]

I'm not a big gamer so an appropriate DDR2 system works fine for every day use. An Optiplex 745 with 8 gigs of fast DDR2, fully updated BIOS and a Q6600 is just fine for puttering around on the Internet. Of course, I run Linux (either Xubuntu or Mint) so I'm working with an OS with less bloat in it.

[@9852323]

Even a Core2Duo E8400 is fine for windows 11 and normal tasks given you throw in an SSD and 4/8GB ram

[@1986tbirdwilly]

I sold a Optiplex 745 that originally had a e5700. Upgraded it to a low power Q6600 stepping chip handy, 8gb of ddr2 800mhz, A 1gb Geforce 710 free, and an Audigy 4, plus a free wifi card. Easy $75 off of some old parts, and the guy was really happy to have a quiet, straight forward Windows 10 PC. The latest bios is really nice, and boot times are fast.

[@tobiwonkanogy2975]

@@9852323 so many of us still squeezing life out of these machines because they have just enough capability with a few new parts. one ssd maybe an extra stick or two of ram and good to go . power supply if you were feeling frisky . maybe not daily drivers but extras .

[@vividthespis]

​@@1986tbirdwillyB3 stepping babyyyy!

[@FlyboyHelosim]

Realistically, you're not going to be running Windows 10 and modern games on a DDR2 era system. You'd buy it absolutely to replace parts in, or even build from scratch, a retro system.

[@tomtom98]

I believe another part of the reason why this DDR2 era stuff is getting expensive is because its starting to see itself lumped in with the "muh vintage gaming!!! retro hardware!!!" era of things. A lot of people are wanting to make dream systems from that era (I mean hey, myself included!) so we can run our games that, at that time, we had to patiently endure at 800x600 30FPS, but now we can run them at max settings and high resolutions to fill in some stupid void that we have :)

[@christiangomez2496]

Nostalgia's one hell of a drug

[@strawberrysherbet96]

This! Saw DDR2 memory sticks online for $95! I want a retro 16gb ram ddr2 system for sure!

[@christiangomez2496]

@@strawberrysherbet96 Those are just RAM sticks. 💀 $95+ could get a whole computer at that point.

[@mrmerlin6287]

I'm in my mid 30s. I feel a lot of sentimental feelings towards this era of hardware as I probably did most of my gaming during this time period.

[@LinuxKnuckleHead]

I remember paying almost $350 for a 1.2 Gig hard drive... and $250 for a 16 Meg ATI All in Wonder card... Those were the days. Ram was like 4 Meg was huge. Those were the days. As long as it played Doom and/or Quake you were golden.

[@DarkDragonEWA]

I don't think it's even a supply issue, DDR2 era stuff just seems stupidly expensive for no reason. I've bought older DDR era parts and even old 486 stuff for less. It's like a few people listed the stuff at inflated prices and everybody just does the same trying to match what they see the other stuff listed at.

[@cosmefulanito5933]

My home server use DDR2... Athlon II X2 250 with 4GB ram. Fileserver, Home Assistant, 5 Octoprint instances, DLNA, DNS filtering... Works really nice.

[@appsaucetech]

This is a situation where a version of windows called ltsc would help a lot with that cpu usage

[@FlyboyHelosim]

Or just avoid Windows 10 altogether and go with a period-correct OS.

[@appsaucetech]

Linux for the w @@FlyboyHelosim

[@appsaucetech]

@@FlyboyHelosim it runs at like 1% cpu utilization on my 4570 while running a browser. I figure it would run this perfectly fine

[@LughtMon]

4 years ago I was using some kind of Intel Core 2 Duo with 4GB of DDR2 RAM, 500GB HDD and nvidia Quadro 600 GPU. It wasn't good, but it taught me to be patient. I was recording videos, editing videos, I learned photoshop on it, music production, even some gaming. I managed to change options, so the system will run at it's best. But sure, it was crap and I don't want to go back anymore.

[@aChairLeg]

Haha it wasn't quite as bad, but I started editing on my old fx 6300. Not the worst choice but it sure required some patience sometimes

[@BittiPomo]

i have to go for systems that old/a bit older, cause i have to train myself to the extreme. theres gona be many pc going to be sold but before i got to optimize those hardcore like

[@9852323]

I don’t think a normal person using it for schooling or web browsing or just general tasks would notice much if any difference between that and a modern pc especially a budget machine. Those type of people shouldn’t be buying new PCs.

[@LughtMon]

like my friend, he bought laptop with i7 11800h, he just game on it and do school stuff, nothing that i3 wouldn't do. And he is even mad, when it lags sometimes, like man, it's pc, not a magical suitcase...@@9852323

[@paulpickett4522]

Lol. I just learned about your channel today while researching DDR3 RAM options and watching your most recent video on it, and low-and-behold behold your next video inspired by it (DDR2) was posted just earlier today. X)

[@Circuit_27]

@aChair Leg the windows issue is something i have come accros myself, to fix it you need to clean the drive. in the windows usb booted press shift + f10 and type diskpart. list disk. select disk . clean. than go back and install windows normally. i dont know why windows ( even 10 and 11) cant figure this out but hopefully this helps

[@fremiamagus]

For windows 11 it won't install on a pre 2.0 TCPM chip system without registry hacks.

[@JokaGaming2K10]

I found a ODD DDR2 PC on TRASH, the pc had a xeon e 3450, 6GB DDR2 667MHz and the most odd part was the fact the PC camr with a 480 GB SSD with 100% Health and a GT 1030 and the last two parts work.

[@OlaftheGreat]

I refurbish old computers as a personal hobby. I recently pulled an old Dell Inspiron from 2008-2009 out of my mom's garage. I had no idea what to expect. I was not expecting 2 1GB sticks of DDR2. I was expecting less than that lol. Also it had a Radeon HD 4350, also equally not great

[@1986tbirdwilly]

Geforce or Quadro old as 8000 series (even as crappy as 256mb 8400) can run KZbin/1080p video and older games no problem with older Windows 10 drivers. AMD cards HD 5000 series-6000 has limited but working Windows 10 drivers. HD 7000+ is much better and almost modern driver support wise. 4gb-8gb of ram and a cheap SSD, quad core CPU and you have a pretty solid Linux-Windows 10 machine.

[@dionvandenberg]

Ah, good times. I remember buying a Phenom II 945 BE in 2008-ish, paired with 4gb ddr2 and a HD4870 2GB just to be able to run GTA IV. That machine saw a lot of action, got upgraded to its limits and is currently still running (very) light office tasks somewhere underneath one of the surplus workspaces no one ever uses in my office 😊

[@Mwapaca]

Those old computers would still be usable if only they weren't so power hungry.

[@GarrisonsMadHouse]

As someone that still uses a 2011 Dell Precision T5500 in 2024 I can agree. It eats over 600Watts on War Thunder. But I'm still getting 170fps at 1080p with a 1050 2gb OC

[@GarrisonsMadHouse]

Dual Xeon X5650s Hexacore with Hyper Threading

[@SeralyneYT]

That pagefile must be doing god's work - honestly instead of buying DDR2 RAM at this point, it's almost worth considering some way of perhaps using PCIe Gen 4 SSDs at this point. We're talking same peak transfer rates lmao

[@charizard4410]

A possible issue that i've run into before, and based on your video footage of it, windows may not want to install to an existing partition, delete the partition, click the unpartitioned space as where you want to install and hit next, do not hit new.

[@troubledpickle5986]

My favorite channel I swear, just watched ur catalog yesterday

[@aChairLeg]

Thanks bro I appreciate it

[@Pasi123]

My HTPC is still an old HP dc7900 SFF with a C2Q Q6600 @ 3.0GHz (BSEL modded), 8GB DDR2 and a Radeon HD 6570. I do also have another Core2 Quad system with a Q9550 @ 3.4GHz but it has an Asus P5KC which is a DDR2/DDR3 (4x DDR2, 2x DDR3) combo board and I'm currently running it with 2x4GB DDR3 sticks

[@brendonlaucheekeong636]

I went to service centre and showed them my Kingston DDR 2 1066mhz 2x2gb hyper X with lifetime warranty and they refunded me 33.5 SGD dollars.

[@StuffJason437]

To fix that erorr you would have to; When it asks "Where do you want to install windows?" Press Shift+F10 and command prompt will open. Click within the command prompt window, and type "diskpart" and then list disk. select disk numberhere clean and one completed type exit in the command prompt window. And then head to the "Where do you want to install windows?" Click refresh. And then click "new". and after going thru that hit "Next" and Windows will begin to install. Hope this message appears and helps you as the problem isn't your install media and it's the way the hard disk drive was setup and has to be dealt with using diskpart.

[@Wyatt_James]

I was using a Q6600 BSEL'd to 3GHz with 8GB of gamer DDR2-800 and an ATI 5770 as a daily up until last May. It's fun getting games to run alright on that old hunk; battlefield 4 was very playable after some effort. Minecraft was also fantastic with performance mods when playing on a server; modern world generation was a bit too taxing to be smooth, but hey, just put that on another computer. I do intend to upgrade this system to a yorkfield xeon sometime still, and to use it for other light tasks, like maybe a drawing desk computer or a CNC controller. Edit: also, dolphin ran better for me than for you and I'm not entirely sure why. I even ran breath of the wild on cemu on the thing, and that was back when it was running 2.4ghz with 6gb of ddr2-667 and a spinning disk. I've got a video of that on my channel from early 2020 if you'd like to behold it. It was not playable but it sure was fun.

[@jacobsmithps]

Thank you for this video, i only upgraded from that Asus M4a785-M mobo last year after a decade of running it. Still have it sitting in static wrap trying to find a home for it as it has the Phenom ii x6 1100T with 8 Gigs of G.Skill 1066 ram on it. The Mobo Auto OC'd it to the 1200 for me and WOW that made a big difference for that system. Had a 1050 Ti on it and was playing Red Dead 2 just fine on a mix of low and medium settings, if i could find someone local who wanted it i'd give it away just to see it stay in use. Never even OC'd the CPU was to scared to mess with that part as i didn't know what i was doing there.

[@engineerkentgaming1371]

I still have an FX8350 paired with an RX580 8gb and 32gb DDR3 1866Mhz. One SSD for OS and three HDD installed with backups of disk media and pictures. Acts like home server. Sometimes still game on it when I just need to be in a quiet room. Can play Palworld which was quite popular recently. My non pc gaming friends think its a good pc. For them to understand I have to tell them that it plays games better than a PS4 Pro.

[@bafon]

There's ALOT of industrial equipment that uses ddr2 or even older systems, while it doesn't make sense to the ordinary consumer there's actually a market for old hardware like this. Imagine you have a 250 000$ industrial machine controlled by a ddr2 phenom system, which fails because the motherboard degraded and shorted out. It is way cheaper to replace the motherboard even if the "price" is higher than newer stuff, simply because the other option is to replace the whole 250 000$ unit.

[@aChairLeg]

Very true, businesses can rly drive up the price of old hardware

[@shaunhall6834]

Thanks for jumping down the rabbit hole so we don't have too. ;). If anything this was a good way to see how far we have come with hardware. I started with the Sinclair ZX80 with 1k of memory. Talk about a dinosaur! New subscriber. ❤

[@balsalmalberto8086]

even the the old gen quad core cpus are still useful. I brought new life to a system that previously had dual core i3.

[@NuffMan_]

Are you sure winblows wasnt downloading and installing updates on the backround? With new install, w10/w11 is constantly downloading and installing updates in the backround. With fast ssd and internet, it will make the slow cpu the bottleneck and slam it to 100%. Whenever you are testing system with old cpu's, do not connect them to internet, or let them sit for few hours so that they have installed all the updates they want. Idk what was with your minecraft, i tested athlon 3400+ s754 ddr1 system with mc 1.7.10 (last that supports the cpu) and i got around 70fps with vanilla minecraft. BUT i played on a server so all the chunk generating etc was handled by the server, but still phenom 2 x4 should be more than enough. Also for phenom2, you should "overclock" it with 250mhz Bclk, but keep the multiplier lower so that the system runs stock. The larger bus will increase the performance around 20%! then you can increase the mp so the cpu runs at 3.8-4ghz. I had phenom2 955be on ddr3 motherboard back in the day, with watercooling i got it to ran at 4450mhz and it was awesome

[@aChairLeg]

Nah it was done updating. I have big fps drops even on my 3700x when playing vanilla single-player. But when you're sitting at 300fps a drop to 200 isn't really noticeable

[@RobertFixit]

I am in current possesion of a dell XPS 630i system with a core 2 quad extreme using DDR2. It was supposed to be a very cool video about old school gaming hardware. Unfortunately, trying to use it was painful. It is still on the shelf, so we will see what happens in the future.

[@aChairLeg]

That sounds really cool! I would try and throw a really lightweight Linux distro on it and see how it goes

[@cieknie]

"T" in 840T stands fot "Thuban" - full, 6 core AMD Phenom X6 die with 2 disabled cores :)

[@Raphaelwelingston]

My therory these system are realy great for late windows XP - early windows 7 retro gaming ! Personnaly, i have one core 2 duo and one core 2 quad system for windows xp. Plus you add the fact the motherboard are rarer and you have a market pushing a bit pricy price tag for old tech !

[@aChairLeg]

That's very true! I bet C&C would run great on these haha

[@Joe-ko2kc]

I bought the same ram config for only 18 bucks. All i need is a gpu now. And maybe some 2007 accessories to go with my equally old pc...

[@ivanuremovic1199]

I actually have an old 775 system that I got for free around. Just recently I realized that it has DDR3, but it only supports up to 8GB. So I went ahead and picked up two 4GB DDR3 sticks for like 15$, threw in some old 120GB SSD that I also got for free, and I had GTX 660 laying around so I just used that one for GPU part. And yeah, CPU in mine is Q6700. It's still alright today but don't expect any miracles.

[@PeppercornVR]

To improve speeds on older systems especially with spinning rust; disable sysmain and windows search in services and prefetch and superfetch in the registry. The improvements are astounding

[@eins_namelezz]

Maybe probably someone might have forgotten to benchmark the an OC C2D E7500. Just maybe. Hey you! Yes, you! You came all the way here and didn't join the Discord server?

[@aChairLeg]

How do I join the discord server? Do you have a guide???

[@Schattennebel]

I had a LGA 775 P35 System last year with an cheap Q9300 and 4*2 GB DDR2 RAM at 800Mhz, a HD 7770, 120 GB SSD and Lubuntu. The performance was descent. Kinda. I played Minecraft, older games and Indie games on it. So it can work, but I still would recomend not going further back than the 4th Intel Generation with DDR3 for a daily driver.

[@picchioknossus8096]

Have you disabled virtualization, power saving, and cool and quiet features? To this day I still daily drive a 1090t with 8gb of ram. Disabling some features really stabilizes performance. Older single core games go from 20-30fps to 120-180fps, more modern games between 50-80fps. The difference is massive. Fortnite for example ran at 80-85 with some dips and I locked it at 75fps to keep it smooth. Cities Skylines is mostly single threaded but keeps above 30fps. Even non games like Excel or Chrome ran way smoother with the mentioned features disabled. Yes the system shows it's age, but it puts a hell of a fight. I even dare to do video editing (although the actual rendering in 4k takes a very long time and 20-30gb of swap).

[@aChairLeg]

Ahhh that's crazy! I'm really considering doing a second video on these

[@VintageBasilB]

This is a great quality video for a small channel. Earned a sub from me. Great pc tech content.

[@Alpha-ms9nj]

I have 2 old machines packed in boxes. One is a Dell GTX 520 with an Intel Pentium 4 with hyperthreading 3.40GHZ and 4GB of DDR2 with Windows 7. The other is also a Windows XP Dell with IIRC an Intel Celeron D 330 running at 2.66 GHZ and 2GB of DDR. I don't know why I keep them maybe deeply embedded sentimental reasons I may need counseling for but if the prices keep going up I'll sell them. I was forced to upgrade to 64 bit stuff and when I got a "new" used Dell T3620 with an I5-6500 I really noticed what I was missing and that set me off. I have like 8 PC's that I have learned to take apart and upgrade and possibly flip. I even discovered PC gaming at 61 years old and a new hobby and channels like this have been very helpful.

[@bjre.wa.8681]

I'm on a minimalist kick at work (see zero budget). I've loaded on a "OLD" Dell D530, the new linux mint 21.3; scrounged up 4 Gb of DDR 2; 120 GB SSD; WIFI is important. We just need to be portable on the campus network and view PDF files. Working my way thru the config setups and "mounting "drives" has been challenging.

[@HydrantTV]

I've had the exact same thing as you've been telling about at the end. In small business I operate, there's no need to upgrade the whole platform for the storage server and a simple website hosted locally. It runs on some old Core 2 Quad, 8 gigs of RAM and... that's it. Works well enough at 1GbE, so why bother upgrading it further than the CPU? I've recently replaced only the CPU in that system. I believe it was from Core 2 Duo E8300 to Core 2 Quad q9500. And I believe this will rock for the next couple of years. And if it won't, well, I have some 775 motherboards lying around, I can just plop that in there and call it a day. When replacing the CPU, I was amazed with how... expensive these ancient chips are. 35 bucks for a 14 year old chip? I can get something like Ryzen 1600 for that price. But then I have to make the effort of replacing basically the whole platform... which isn't economical for the use case at this point.

[@9852323]

Most of the systems I use are DDR2 based and I have no problems with it running windows 11 and doing some light gaming here and there. No it’s definitely not ideal for high end gaming but for normal everyday use it’s kind-of a waste to use anything newer when you can get these so cheap or even free. It’s a shame people think these systems are just obsolete junk when that’s the furthest thing from the truth. As for DDR3 My boyfriend has a DDR3 i7 3770 system that he can basically play any game he wants on including cyberpunk 2077.

[@LBCAndrew]

Strange, i recently put together an Intel i5-4670k system with 16gb ddr3, GTX780ti, Asrock Z87 Extreme4 MB, all in a nice PowerMac G4 case i converted to use ATX hardware and i've got it running both Windows 10 and Mac OSX Ventura with none of the issues you mention.

[@see-sharp]

This would run like new if you were using Debian with XFCE

[@elu9780]

Or antix. It's essentially Debian but lighter yet has more stuff for day to day use. I use it on my powerful main PC as well as on my weak Celeron N3060 laptop, and both work well.

[@harpskid]

@@elu9780 Ayy, the anti fascist distro! :) - I love antix in concept, but not having systemd makes things a little clunky. SOOOO much stuff just expects systemd!! It makes setting stuff up a royal pain sometimes.

[@elu9780]

@@harpskid I found some issues with that, yeah, but the vast majority of what I do does not need systemd, so I'm fine.

[@yumenolala]

I still have a PC I built on 775 platform. Started out with the early C2D E6600 which kept going for ages. In 2016 I bought a C2Q Q6600 (SLACR) for a CPU swap and overclocked this a little. Bought a C2Q Q6700 as well to see if it clocked better. My motherboard could only handle the earlier C2D/C2Q. I did pick up extra sticks of RAM when I was helping recycle old PCs. Corsair XMS2 2 GB (2 x 1 GB) DDR2-800 CL4 Memory Corsair XMS2 4 GB (2 x 2 GB) DDR2-800 CL5 Memory I hardly turn this PC on anymore but it does have DVD drives in the tower, lol. My main PC is the i7-5960x

[@Q36BN]

Man, I'm watching this video on Core 2 Quad Q9300 engineering sample OC to 3.0GHz. 8GB of DDR2. Talk about e-waste 😅 As for not being able to install fresh OS to SSD. Did you clear your SSD completely? It needs to be clear(empty) as new drive. You can do that by wiping the ssd. Execute Secure Erase command on that drive. OR, you can clear your drive of any previous formatting by going to Diskpart: commands are as follows. List Disk -> Select Disk * (where * is your drive number!) -> Clean.

[@hateWinVista]

3:23 I had that weird issue before, turns out the drive that you're going to install Windows has to be in [Hard Drive BBS Properties] and [Boot Option Priorities]. Most importantly, it needs to be in MBR instead of GPT.(Shift + F10 and use diskpart to see if it's in MBR)

[@mementocity]

The SSE 4.2 and AVX requirements for doom eternal and RDR2 are bullshit, there are patches and cracks that removes the need of those, and were present only for DRM reasons. There is a youtuber that did the test on those on a core 2 quad (but with DDR3s compatible mobos) and it ran surpricingly well for being 14 old chips. The SSE 4.2 and AVX gets used alot for anticheats too so, rip multiplayer games gaming, some games like CS2 worked just fine during beta but after release they updated their anticheat so you cant run it anymore, same thing with warframe.

[@montikarst.]

i have an old computer with asus p5b motherboard, so this video for me is the one that made me so nostalgic about past times... love it.

[@thedamntrain5481]

in Romania these cpus are being sold for 2-3 bucks also ram is next to free

[@elu9780]

I have an AM2 system with Phenom II x4 960T and 16GB of DDR2. Yep, DDR2, not DDR3. While it is just 800MHz and definitely outdated, but it's still 16GB, which is a ton for DDR2. Works just fine for plenty of things, though I had to mix the sticks around to get them all to work together since I didn't buy them in one kit of 4 by 4GB. Speaking to those hopeful to get 16GB of DDR2 on LGA 775 - you can't. The best you can get for LGA 775 is 8GB of DDR2.

[@gabrielecarbone8235]

AMD always nicer to customers

[@elu9780]

@@gabrielecarbone8235yeah. Most intel boards of the time only support maybe a maximum of 4GB, 8GB if you're lucky. While plenty of AMD boards support 8GB or even 16GB like in my case. Before learning that, I didn't even know there were 4GB DDR2 sticks in the first place.

[@magfal]

I've got a set of OCZ Platinum 4GB DDR2 udimms. 16GB on my Q9550 retro-ish system.

[@isaaccerreto8662]

WOAH I WAS REALLY THINKING ABOUT ONE OF THOSE, MY DAD HAD ONE IN HIS IT OFFICE AND ALWAYS WANTED ONE, ONE OF those server z400 things

[@markskonecki2050]

I still have like 3 or 4 am2+ motherboards and CPUs along with ddr2 memory they all still work.

[@UltimatePerfection]

I can see DDR2 being useful in applications where top performance isn't all that important, such as emulation of retro hardware (up to PSX generation, maybe PS2 if you push it) or stuff like home file server that is supposed to be only accessible from the LAN and as such doesn't need huge amount of RAM or great CPU because of how few people would be accessing it.

[@malcolmfobbs4864]

I was using a core2quad with 8 gigs of ddr2 up until 2020 with no issues. That system with a 760ti and ssd played basic games and psx/gamecube emulators great

[@RachaelVir]

Gaming is one of those things that drives CPU innovation, so yes, that was always going to be comical on machines this old. If anything is going to be first in line to use new instructions to boost performance, it's going to be a first-person shooter. However, the tail-end of the Core2 era is still usable if all you want is a web browser or word processor. I have my father's old Dell Inspiron 1720 from 2008, and over the years (when parts were incredibly cheap), upgraded it to a T9500, 6GB of DDR2 RAM, and a pair of Samsung 870 EVO SSDs. It is presently running Windows 10, and after going through and cutting out extraneous services, it runs pretty well. I wouldn't daily drive it, but if it were my only computer, it would be fine. I still use it as a "test workstation" in my home lab. I wouldn't *BUY* a system that old, but if you have one lying around, they aren't entirely useless yet.

[@evergreengamer5767]

Retro builds are influence on the higher prices too Phenom and Core2 are popular options for XP systems or even Vista.

[@randomreviews9016]

It's showing 7gb of ram on the P5B because you have to enable in the bios options under the advanced tab "remap memory feature" I still daily drive my P5B deluxe with a modded s771 works like a charm (but I don't game)

[@monochrome_linux]

Idk about DDR2 but DDR3 spec is decent. I just fixed up and old HP Compaq Desktop with an AMD A10 5800B with an SSD, 16 gigs of memory and a 1050ti. And it's decently powerful, I played through some old AAA games and a few indie games and it's playable. Didn't expect Assassin's Creed Unity to run flawlessly at locked 30fps on ultra settings but it did. So yeah. I think I've spent just around a 120 dollar equivalent on the pc (mostly the GPU). I think the best I can do now is swap the built in motherboard with an Intel 1150 motherboard and buy an i7 4790K which I saw a listing on Amazon for 50 dollar equivalent.

[@jmtradbr]

it's still usable. i know someone still using DDR1 on their main computer. she only uses to open email and print.

[@MadIIMike]

Ram shouldn't make a huge difference in most cases, the most notable difference would likely be with onboard graphics and single channel. One thing I remember about the Phenom IIs was that they were very sensitive about the mainboard and northbridge frequency. As far as prices go: A (surprising) lot of businesses have antique systems running, where newer ones wouldn't have the needed connectors/slots, support for old windows versions etc. If you're bored, you could also do a video on old "BSEL" mods for 775 (incl. 771 Xeons). Basically, you put some electrical tape etc. over the pins to fool the mainboard into thinking the CPU has a higher FSB. Only works on MBs that don't use CPUID.

[@Lurch-Bot]

It is weird. You can still find stuff like this in the dumpster from time to time but they are already charging vintage prices for it on eBay. I could have done this test with random hardware I have in a box somewhere that I got for free. You could run something like a RX580 with an overclocked C2Q and it wouldn't be horribly bottlenecked. I have a board that can do this and uses DDR2. I believe . My C2Q Windows 7 gaming rig is an Optiplex 780 with a tape modded Q6600 and it uses DDR3. It is super picky about RAM because it is a very early DDR3 system and I could only get 6GB running from what I had on hand. But that is plenty for what it does. I'm currently trying to sell a budget gaming rig but it looks like it might not sell. If not, I'll try out the 1650 in it with my overclocked C2Q. I'd like to try with 16GB RAM but that's about $90 worth of RAM because 4GB DDR sticks are rare. It wouldn't be my first time running Windows 10 on a LGA775 DDR2 system because I did that a couple of years ago with one of my other old Optiplex PCs and a P4 HT. It actually worked. You can pretty much only do one thing at a time but it runs. Unfortunately, there is a flaw in your methodology. You should have normalized the CPU benchmark performance across the board with some tuning. The 2011 framerate has a lot more to do with the much higher single thread score than the RAM. If you got one of those hacked Machinist boards, you could turn off all but 4 cores and HT, as well as do a FSB underclock until the single thread score equaled that of the LGA 775 CPU. Passmark is free and still works great for CPUs, though GPU results have to be taken with a grain of salt because they are testing DX9 and DX10 too, which a lot of newer GPUs don't do very well, making the latest couple of generations look weaker than they really are.

[@christiangomez2496]

Currently got a MacBook from late 2007 to ise as a DVD player. Stock would've had 1 or 2GB of RAM, but mine was upgraded to 4GB.

[@Fuxy22]

Could be a usb stick support thing... old computers used to install from CDROM so USB boot was flakey at best... just pop in a CDROM and window install disk to try and install from there...

[@ThexthSurvivor]

*Looking at my stuff I have for sale and older items that haven't sold yet. Sees 5 HP DDR2 desktops with Core 2 Duo CPUs'* 😐

[@MikeBeazy]

The fact you say Phenom the way you do makes me feel so old 😢

[@xgmrfurious]

Butchered the pronunciation lol

[@vladislavkaras491]

I actually wonder, if you lock the fps to 30 or 60, how bad the stutters would be, thus if somebody had a DDR2 system, they would actually have some possibility to play. Thanks for the video!

[@davevan9150]

I remember that the asus p5b was the board to get back then. However my old brain can't remember why.

[@TheMailmanOfSteel]

I still have my old Phenom II/DDR3 system parts lying around.... My work PC STILL has my old ATI 4870 512MB card, that I used to run in crossfire with its twin... almost a decade ago.

[@sophustranquillitastv4468]

If you go back one step further to DDR1 and it's not in normal used market territory anymore, rather a somewhat retro or even vintage market in which the regular logic for used PC market can't really function.

[@MrSCOTTtheSCOT]

I have a win 10 Q6700 @3.2 with 8gb of DDR2 (2x4gb) / 8gb rx580 (3rd gfx in its life Radeon hd6870 1Gb the days , then GTX650ti 2gb ), sat next to me at this moment it ran 14 hours daily no issues for the last near 20 years i turn it on to update it regularly and it's a backup that came in handy when my old folks laptop went down it stood in for them for a couple of weeks till new laptop was delivered , so its still going strong, (i have quite a number of DDR2 ram sticks kicking about in the box of eternal computer bits for "just in case")

[@maybelive765]

The biggest concern is the operations which these chips cannot do for DX12/Vulkan/openGL libraries. This is why you might get stuttering

[@dim3nt0]

c2duos and quads and phenoms can still be used but those are power hungry and slow af. one n100 will blast phenom x4 with speed and with only 8-10watts of power draw compared to 140w so not really worth it

[@skrappr3649]

I have a laptop from 2007 an optiplex from 2009, 2 2008 GPUs and a 2007 monitor. Neither of the computers work and the monitor has a plethora of issues but old tech is cool even if Im just hoarding broken stuff

[@ashleyjwilliamshand]

Being able to run a multiboot 98se, XP, Vista, and/or 7 pc with Core2Duo or Core2Quad/Xeon (Disable 3 cores for 98, and 2 for xp) with overclocking and a xfi or audigy 2zx for that hardware excellerated EAX audio. You gain DirectX 10 with Vista, but lose true hardware excelerated audiocard support (cue Alchemy software). I see alot of tests using old hardware, new versions of old games, on new os's... You gotta run the old 32 bit versions with the overkill hardware, and on a 32 bit os

[@heikkint]

DDR2 is great. I have a old quadcore and i have crammed the motherboard full to 16gb DDR2 333mhz that was lying around and just happened to be of same speed but from different sources. Old and obsolete otherwise but works wonders in this use. I have also added old HDD disks so the machine in the living room acts as a the backup machine for all machines elsewhere in the house. it has backup sync software that periodicaly tests if other machines are online and if so attempts to mirror the contents from certain folders from the to those big HDD disks. And since i have several it is easy to make backups of backups too so all in all my files are pretty secure except fire (and even then i would have some stuff in the cloud). Using the machine itself is great now. Several browsers can be open, steam games and gamepads attached and big TV since it's living room HTPC machine. I will likely exchange the quadcore some day with the oldest whatever i get from somewhere else but at the moment it works really well.

[@hananas2]

$30 for 8gb of DDR2... Wow that's more expensive than DDR4! 8gb costs €20 here, and 16gb starts from €35, both including tax.

[@nectarinetangerineorange]

I think the empty drive needs to be reformatted to mbr, it is very likely in gpt and the bios cannot access the boot sector because it doesnt exist. You can use gparted or fdisk to reformat to mbr which will create a hidden boot sector for the bios to access, or you can use gparted or gdisk/sgdisk to create a really small partition at the top of the drive, then mark that partition as a psuedo boot sector that the bios will most likely be able to recognize. I would recommend just putting the drive into mbr mode as you are using windows, it will be much simpler The windows installer doesnt seem to be able to write the bootloader the boot sector, and is throwing a warning because it knows it cant boot without a bootloader.....

[@aChairLeg]

Tried mbr, didn't work. Really stumped, not that it matters since I managed to get windows on it at the end of the day haha

[@andystech101]

Great video mate as always 😎

[@TheUnkow]

What is great about these machines is they started having PCI-E gen one ... so you can use an M.2 in that slot (not the fastest ones because you won't benefit from the extra speed, but still much faster than the SSDs). Some of the best CPU's for those motherboards are pretty cheap (~$20-$30 and have 4 or more cores). In most cases those CPU's can support up to 8GB of RAM. 1024 mhz is pretty decent speed, most mobile phones don't have much more than that. Even most tablets don't have more than 2GB or 4GB of RAM. These PC's are great for regular office work. They can even serve well in software development in many cases. They will outshine entry level modern laptops for just a fraction of the price. Even in home, they would be great for watching videos, browsing, chats etc. (basic web usage), and also they would be great for all the games that were published at their time and specially before. So they would be great if you have a friend and would want to play a VS or a CO-OP session in Red Alert 2, Age of Empires 2, Quake 3, Warcraft 3, Diablo 2, Heroes of Might and Magic 3/4/5 ... many many others even more modern games than those would work great. And finally, you can use them as home servers ... you can serve data or small websites. For such a price ... it's a shame to throw them away ... at least they could be donated and restored to be given to families that do not have a PC at all.

[@the123king]

I have 16GB DDR2 in my current dual CPU E5 2667 V4 rig. It's in a RAM drive and pretty much saturates the SATAII connection it's attached to.

[@openlyracist8055]

Some systems just don't allow windows to install from thumb sticks. It's best to use a DVD in these cases.

[@RCTPAVUK]

re: not seeing drive during windows install: get storage drivers from mobo manufacturer and drop the folder in the installer USB. Then load the driver during installation pointing to the folder where you copied it

[@aaronwoodcock4715]

I bought an old, dusty 2009 emachines tower from an old friend. I was stupified it all worked after i cleaned everything off.

[@Patatigatti123]

my only pc has a q6600 with 8gb ddr2, gtx 950 2gb and 512gb ssd, still a great pc even today

[@Ivy-pe2wz]

Are you sure you had the AMD motherboard SSD as the primary BIOS Boot priority? No joking, that's what usually causes windows installer to run into MBR issues and then throw that error.

[@zefugi]

Not posting nor getting into the BIOS usually involves the CMOS battery, in my experience.

[@qwertykeyboard5901]

There's always the classic "scalpers selling to companies with legacy systems". Companies with legacy systems will pay REDICULOUS prices to keep them online.

[@cosmefulanito5933]

i7 4770? My main computer is a Core i3 2120 with 16GB ram. Ubuntu Linux. Boots in seconds and is fast.

[@CamelCasee]

SSD?

[@escapetherace1943]

ddr3 still holds up fine. What's really funny is I never used ddr4. I ran a ddr3 machine with a 4790k and that processor was so good and is still decent, that I skipped the entire generation of ram and went straight to ddr5.

[@CamelCasee]

I forget how old the Core 2 era is sometimes.

[@mirknight]

The first CPU I bought was the Phenom (pronounced "FEE" nom) II x3 Yes, all 4 cores worked fine. And you need to have the drivers for the sata controller on the install medium

[@seanwhalen5011]

I have a 2008 Mac Pro 3,1 server with 28 gigs of ddr2 ecc 800 ram and I still use it as my Minecraft server, works great

[@ZincLeadAlloy]

You should've played Palworld just so you could market it as a PalWorld Compatible PC :P keep it up my guy!

[@AlexanderVonMalachi]

I have an old X300 Thinkpad, I don't really have any use for it, the battery is dead, and the 1.8 ssd is only 60gigs, but it works for light web browsing running some unsupported Ubuntu LTS, and is fun to play with. So I'm considering maybe replacing DDR2 2x1gb sodimms with 2x2gb 800 sodimms, equivalent to about 5.5$ each. For shits and giggles(1.2ghz dualcore with 8gb ram sounds kinda ironic) I decided to check the price for 4gb 800 sodimms and... 38$ per stick. For the price of 2 of these sticks I can buy a set of new DDR4 2x16gb 3200 16-18-18-38 G.Skills. Some prices refuse to go down, and seems like no giggles will be going on.